Keith and Tommy sit down with bassist extraordinaire, member of mathcore greats The Dillinger Escape plan and current member of rising stars Azusa: Liam Wilson. We talk about life in COVID, growing up in Philadelphia, discovering the scene and attending shows in the area. We also discuss some of Liam's early work with Starkweather and detail the story of how he joined The Dillinger Escape Plan. We cover Liam's years with Dillinger, the ups and downs the band experienced over the years and their final set of shows. We also cover a whole range of other topics including: our own personal life experiences, views about the universe, religion and higher powers, theology, universal field theory, meditation and Liam's current work with Azusa and Devin Townsend.