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Today on the Pumpkast, Frank and Pat discuss the 2020 EP, "Honor", from the Jimmy Chamberlin Complex! Look, you already know 90% of this episode will be us just praising Chamberlin.

We discuss Jimmy's version of "the talk", why the EP is a perfect length and how this EP stands up there with JCC/Chamberlin's best solo work thanks to a powerfully eclectic and talented crew (including long-time collaborator and musical savant ⁠Billy Mohler⁠).

Also, we put it out into the Universe and keep our fingers crossed for Jimmy to pay a visit to the Pumpkast before the year is done. May the Pumpkin Gods smile upon us!

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In 2019, Billy Corgan released his 3rd solo album (2nd under the name William Patrick Corgan), "Cotillions". A double-album written in 2017 during Thirty Days – a month-long journey Corgan took across America. For this album, Frank needed a special guest who has a particular affinity for the album and all things Pumpkins and WPC. Enter the Pumpkin Queen herself, Pam Fisher! Frank and Pam dub this album "Cosmic Country" and navigate the starry country backroads that inspired this special album.

They discuss "complexity couched in simplicity", WPC's family history connection to E.T. and Gremlins, identity & history (and where the two meet), "Big G", pitching a kid's book to WPC based on "Neptulius" and romanticization vs the dark truth of American history and distilling how you feel about the two.

We also show some love for the wonderful Katie Cole, the diverse embarrassment of riches in the Corgan/SP catalog and even a bit of Duran Duran.

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Today (pun intended) marks the 30th Anniversary of the seminal Pumpkins album Siamese Dream. Joining Frank to discuss the anniversary of Siamese Dream is someone who is no stranger to the Pumpkins community, Jacob Givens! We reminisce about our memories of hearing the album for the first time and the lasting impact it's had 30 years later. Happy 30th, Siamese Dream!

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SP Admin Corrine Luxon was kind enough to stick around after our last episode to answer some questions! We talk Machina (of course), SP merch and even a little bit about her personal life.

We appreciate all the hard work and love Corrine puts into her work with the Pumpkins camp (and hopefully you do too!).

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On June 2nd, 2023, Adore turned 25. In honor of this special anniversary, Frank chats with SP Admin Corrine Luxon about her special connection to the album and the ever-growing love and admiration for the album from fans (some would even say "adore"?). It's a wonderful conversation that will continue into a bonus episode where Corrine was kind enough to answer some listener questions. Look out for that bonus episode soon!

Happy 25th Anniversary, Adore!

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In 2018, it was announced that James Iha and Jimmy Chamberlin would rejoin The Smashing Pumpkins. A tour and new music (produced by Rick Rubin), were announced to celebrate the reunion. Those Rick Rubin sessions were originally conceived as 2 EPs, but over time it became an album (or not according to Billy?). The result was Shiny and Oh So Bright - Vol. 1 / LP: No Past. No Future. No Sun. Joining Frank to discuss SAOSBV1LPNPNFNS is fellow Pumpkinhead Evangelina Sanchez! 

Evangelina and Frank discuss the feeling of being all "alone - together" as Pumpkins fans, how Shiny fits into the ATUM storyline, being a creative trying to rise above your mammoth past, a wishlist of Shiny songs to hear live, modern production pros and cons and Solara speaking to why we gravitate towards the Pumpkins.

While some fans heralded the return, others were dismissive. It's an album that has a complicated history with fans, critics...and possibly the band? But much like Monuments To An Elegy, there's a lot here to still dig into and enjoy.

Will the "Woahwoahwoahwoahwoahwhoah" crowd rise?! Become the owl at midnight!

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Happy Adore 25th Anniversary! Frank recently had a chat with Pumpkins producer, engineer and mixer, Howard Willing, and one topic that came up was his experience working on Adore. We thought it would be fitting to share a snippet from this interview in celebration of the 25th Anniversary of Adore. The rest of the interview, plus a proper Adore 25th Anniversary episode will be out later this month.

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In 2017, the wheels were in motion for Jimmy Chamberlin's return to the Smashing Pumpkins. But before his triumphant return to the Pumpkins, he returned with his other band, the "Jimmy Chamberlin Complex" and released his 2nd JCC album titled "The Parable". A jazz/fusion itch Jimmy gets to scratch outside of the Pumpkins. Joining Frank as guest co-host (returning from the SKYSAW episode) is Patreon member Joe!

We talk about the more jazz/fusion angle "The Parable" takes as opposed to the jazz/alternative rock feel of SKYSAW and "Life Begins Again", Sarsten Noice's art for the album and how it associates with its themes (and with Jimmy) and we heap tons of praises, as always, for Jimmy's incredible skills. 

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In 2017, Billy Corgan released his 2nd solo album, "Ogilala", but this time under the name William Patrick Corgan and with a much more organic and stripped-down sound. It's an album containing some of Corgan's best work and illustrates the power of his songwriting and ability to bend and shape the core of a song into the sound he envisions.

Joining Frank as guest co-host is a long-time friend and Pumpkinhead, Dr. Thomas Whitfield. Thomas digs deep and uses his Ph.D. to help break down the lyrics with surgical detail. If getting super in-depth and nerdy diving into WPC lyrics is your bag, then this episode is for you!

Frank and Thomas discuss being wary of people who aren’t passionate about something/anything, hiding Mellon Collie and the Goosebumps books from religious parents, seeds of CYR and ATUM found in Ogilala and Thomas' “Special K” experience with the album.

Plus a quick chat about the gorgeous short film, Pillbox, co-directed by Linda Strawberry.

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And then there were two. With the departure of Mike Byrne and Nicole Fiorentino, Corgan led the charge with guitarist Jeff Schroeder to make 2014's Monuments To An Elegy. An album with nods to its rock past as well as the Pumpkins' synthy future. Joining Frank as guest co-host to do a track-by-track breakdown of this album is former guest of the 'kast, ⁠Stephen Patrick Zapata-Kelly⁠!

Down a drummer, Corgan & Schroeder turned to Mötley Crüe's Tommy Lee for an assist to achieve the bombastic and skilled attack needed to match the energy of the songs (as well as Rage Against The Machine's Brad Wilk on drums and The Killer's Mark Stoermer on bass for live shows).

As the Teargarden project aspirations faded away (and with the subsequent abandonment of the Day For Night album), the future of the Pumpkins was looking dire once again. Luckily, time has shown that the Pumpkins are still going strong and with hindsight, a revisit of Monuments yields great rewards. Especially for fans who may not love the sounds of CYR or Atum (even though we get some glances in a few of Monuments' tracks).

Ultimately, Monuments is an album that Stephen and Frank agree is "like a good slice of pizza".

Lover, you're strange if you miss this episode!

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Pardon our John Wick nod in the title, but another badass, Jack Bates, is making his third appearance on the 'kast!

Jack joins Frank to discuss the Spirits on Fire Tour, the Mexico City World is a Vampire Festival, the upcoming Australian tour and so much more!

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Simon Mateljan of Ozphoria joins Frank to discuss his experience with the 2012 Oceania Australian tour!

(Link for Wil Anderson interview mentioned in the show HERE.)

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Yod He Vau He Om, Pumpkinheads! Today on the 'kast, we cover the critically acclaimed, post-reformation fan-favorite album OCEANIA! An album so special, Frank and Pat just had to assemble in person at Pumpkast HQ to dive head first into its briny depths. 

Frank and Pat discuss "deep" concepts like the "God umbrella," the beautiful truth of the lyric, "everything I want is free," and the spiritual connection "Pale Horse" has to "Adore." All that plus a possible nod to the Italian horror classic "Suspiria" and some speculation as to exactly what kind of "Special K" we're talking about on "The Celestials" (wouldn't be the first time Billy made reference to a beloved breakfast food – Pop Tarts, anyone?).  

We also thoroughly sing the praises of this incarnation of the band, which included Jeff "The Shredder" Schroeder, Mike Byrne's undeniable drum chops and the incredible bass contributions and backing vocals of Nicole Fiorentino. 

We hope you love this episode "101 percent"!

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Before we dive in for the track-by-track breakdown of Oceania, we take some time to cover the history of the album and this particular era of the Pumpkins. 

Joining Frank as guest co-host this episode is previous Pumpkast roundtable guest and dedicated Pumpkinhead Kim Rosas! In addition to covering the history of the Oceania era, Frank & Kim discuss their Pumpkin fandom around 2012 (and now), what it was like waiting for the song you wanted to listen to/record on the radio in the 90s, an unusual gymnasium SP show at the Florida State Fair and how the music of Billy/SP feels like fate and why we're devout members of the Church of Pumpkins (Churchkins?). 

Plus, we give mad props to the impossible task Mike Byrne found himself in and throw in some much-deserved love and praise for bassist Nicole Fiorentino and guitarist Jeff  Schroeder. 

It's a special and unique era for the Pumpkins that over time (as usual) finally got the love and recognition it deserves. 

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We end 2022 by covering the 2012 James Iha solo album "Look To The Sky", the sonically ambitious follow-up to Iha's first solo album "Let It Come Down". Pat remains out and Frank battles a cold but here to help Frank cover this overlooked gem is Patreon member and Aussie Pumpkinhead David Jepsen!

We talk about the album's excellent production, James gettin' sleazy by aping Iggy Pop, "Sad Happy Songs" and the incredible stable of James' talented friends appearing on the album including Karen O & Nick Zinner of the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Adam Schlesinger of Fountains of Wayne, Nina Persson of The Cardigans, Sara Quin of Tegan and Sara, Mike Garson, Tom Verlaine of Television and Nathan Larson of Shudder to Think. 

Pump this 'kast while your eyes are glued on a valium gloomy day!

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In 2008 Jimmy Chamberlin decided to walk away from the Pumpkins in order to focus on family and other projects. One of those projects was the short-lived Skysaw (originally named "This"). In 2011 Skysaw released its first and only full-length album "Great Civilizations", which mixes prog, alternative and a little country and jazz? Joining Frank to discuss this album is guest co-host and Pumpkast Patreon member "Joe". 

In this episode they discuss Jimmy's essential instincts to provide what's best for a song, subtle nods to "Disintegration" and what exactly is the secret in Mike Reina's pocket? 

One thing's for sure, "Jimmy is Gandalf". 

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Our Teargarden coverage is coming to a close, but before we move forward on the Pumpkin/WPC timeline, Frank chats with Diana Dagaz from Mystic Mixtape about Teargarden's connections to the Tarot as well as other interesting topics related to the album, WPC, the Pumpkins (and our lives).

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Frank and Pat were fortunate enough to catch an intimate Q&A/Acoustic set with Billy Corgan at the KROQ DTS Sound Space and decided to record an impromptu Bonus episode giving out a quick and brief recap of the KROQ acoustic set, the Hollywood Bowl show and first impressions of ATUM Vol 1. 

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On this episode of The Smashing Pumpkast, we do a track-by-track deep dive into the often-overlooked Teargarden By Kaleidyscope! Joining Frank as guest co-host this episode is James Young! 

We talk the psych yet Zep influence of Vol 1. , the colossal shoes Mike Byrne had to fill and how he may have unfairly been judged at the time, the nods to Oceania to come and Frank has a profound breakthrough thanks to "A Stitch In Time".

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Our coverage of the Teargaren era kicks off with our Intro and History to Teargarden By Kaleidyscope. Joining Frank while Pat is still away is guest co-host Paul Levins. We discuss the history of the Teargarden era, appreciating the journey of the Pumpkins sound, The "war buddy" aspect of the fellowship of Pumpkinheads and we even chat a bit about the infamous 20th Anniversary Shows. Frank also wonders...are the Pumpkins the new Rush?

Are you with us or against us?! Stay tuned next week for the proper track-by-track breakdown of Teargarden By Kaleidyscope!

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It's our first Patreon listener-selected episode! Joining Frank is Patreon member and musician Dean Schaffer. Dean joins Frank to discuss some of their favorite Billy guitar solos (and even a few leads). What are some of YOUR favorites?

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Zeitgeist Summer comes to a close (yes, in November) and we bid adieu (for now) with another Listener Appreciation Episode! Pumpkast listeners chime in to show some love for Zeitgeist and the Zeitgeist era. 

Thanks to everyone who submitted (Spose, Evangelina Sanchez, James Puckett, Dean Schaffer, Carlos David Glass) commented and joined us during this hot hot hot Zeitgeist Summer. The cool winds of Teargarden are just around the corner! 

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In this special Pumpkast Bonus episode, Frank hosts a roundtable discussion with Pumpkinheads (Diana Dagaz (Mystic Mixtape), Eve, John LaMantia and Kim Rosas) who attended the recent Metro and Irving Plaza club shows!

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The sun is setting on Zeitgeist Summer and today we take a look at the 2008 documentary/live performance feature "If All Goes Wrong". 

This warts and all documentary covers the Pumpkins infamous residencies at The Orange Peel in Asheville and The Fillmore in San Francisco in the summer of 2007. 

Frank and Pat talk about their deep appreciation for the Zeitgeist-era lineup, Billy's love-hate relationship with the fans (and vice versa), the uncomfortable moments of watching a band and the members we love having a rough time and of course, more Jimmy adulation.

And  also...Gossamer. GOSSAMER!

We also share news of how the Pumpkast episodes will operate moving forward.

Cuddle up to your homemade Billy bust and enjoy this episode! 

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In this Bonus episode, we give our first impressions of ATUM news, we give quick thoughts on new tracks "Beguiled", "Atum", "Butterfly Suite" and "Empires". Plus, Thirty-Three podcast reactions and Pat announces a temporary step back from the Pumpkast. 

SO MUCH to cover! Blast us into space exile 'cuz we're in for the epic ATUM rock opera odyssey! 

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Zeitgeist Summer burns on as we cover even more Zeitgeist-era goodies. Today on the 'kast we discuss the tracks "F.O.L", "Superchrist", "G.L.O.W.", "Strength In Numbers", "I Don't Mind", "As Rome Burns" and "The March Hare", posing the questions: What exactly is selling out these days? Is "Superchrist" Christian Rock that actually rocks? Do some of these tracks hint at the heavy-psych-jam Pumpkins album that never was? Does it make a difference to have an outside producer? Is "The March Hare" the other side of the "Suffer" LSD trip? Do you need a safeword to listen to "As Rome Burns"? 

And, IS there such a thing as "Toxic Positivity?” One thing is certain, BC/JC keep the band’s rock muscles toned and tanned with this little island of misfit tracks.  

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We give our quick thoughts on two new songs (Ithax/Photograph & Scimitar) that were performed acoustic at the Together and Together Again Benefit. 

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"ZEITGEIST SUMMER" continues to sizzle on as today on the 'kast, we delve into 2008's AMERICAN GOTHIC EP. If Zeitgeist was the big swing to prove the Pumpkins still had their rock chops, this iTunes-exclusive continuation of the Zeitgeist project represented the pendulum swinging in the other direction, reestablishing SP's mastery of the "softer" side of things. 

We're filling in the gaps of our Pumpkins history with this one, gang. 2008 was a heady time for your hosts and (in addition to being the year we met!) our Pumpkin antennas were not fully plugged in at the time of its online release. After addressing the ele-font in the room... we have a great time digging deep into this textured, crunchy EP, exploring the meaning of “thrumming” and discussing how "The Rose March" hit Frank at exactly the right moment. 

We'll lay roses at your feet 'til you decide there is something great in you, Pumpkinheads! ❤️

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Fifteen years ago the Pumpkins released their infamous, quasi-political, strangely prescient comeback album, ZEITGEIST. It was originally rolled out in an array of different colored CD and digital versions with slightly different tracklists, but today we're merging them all into one 16-track "complete" version of the album. A sort of unofficial "Rainbow Edition" if you will.   

We dive deep into each of these tracks, really savoring ones like "Stellar" and "Ma Belle" that us basic red-version kids never got to fully experience at the time of the album's release. We also contemplate the massive weight of expectations a band must feel when coming back after seven years sans two original members, the Danny Elfman collab track that almost was, and the hot take: are several of these songs expressions of Billy's love for Jimmy? Discuss. 

All that plus the big questions: Was Zeitgeist Billy's response to the state of the nation...of Rock? Is this a 2000s rock radio album or an ode to rip-ass Scorpions rock of the ’70s and ’80s? And finally, is it STILL considered underrated when most of the fanbase laments its absence from streaming services? This episode has it all, including an interruption from a black cat trying to kill a squirrel in front of us. 

A million watts of sound can't compare... to the fun we had talking about this album! WE. ARE. STARZ. We arrrreeeeeeeee!

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"ZEITGEIST SUMMER" is here, and it's a scorcher! Before Frank and Pat do their deep dive into the 16-track "complete" (all variants merged) version of Zeitgeist, we’re setting the scene and sharing some important background on this momentous, polarizing, rebooted period in SP history. Pat takes some time this week to handle some family stuff back home, but not before sharing his earliest memories of Zeitgeist, an album that carried his young ass from Buffalo to the Big Apple. Back at Pumpkast HQ, Frank is joined by Brian Matthews and Tyler Cardwell of The Discographers podcast, who were kind enough to help introduce the album and share some factual and personal history about it... along with a little "Gossamer" praise for good measure.  

Call up Paris Hilton on your Blackberry Razr, slather on that sunscreen and join Lady Liberty for a dip in our rising oceans 'cause Zeitgeist Summer has officially begun! Come on, let's GO! 

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It's been a while, but it's a new listener profile and today Frank talks to a one-of-a-kind Pumpkins fan...

Hairstylist by Day, Burlesque by Night, Activist ALL the time...the Smashing Pumpkin of Bump & Grind...Mone't Ha-Sidi!

Frank and Mone't chat about the highs and lows of being a Black Woman in Pumpkin fandom, making Pumpkins friends for life, ticket-buying etiquette, the lack of love for Josh Groban at a Bridge School Benefit show (the band DID notice) and how unfair it is that the Pumpkins don’t get the proper accolades they deserve as some bands do.

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The Rock Invasion 2 Tour has wrapped and today on the 'kast we take some time to talk about our weekend seeing the Pumpkins live for the first time in almost 4 years! 

Also, Frank does some live-on-the-scene interviews with listeners at the Santa Barbara Bowl show, we chat with Jacob Givens at the Beachlife Festival and we hear some listener-submitted stories about their Rock Invasion 2 experiences. 

Thanks to listeners Evangelina, Matt G., Kim, Hendrix, Brittany, Clay, Eve, Fuzz Esco, Angel, Jack, Jude, Pam, Peter, Brian, Justin, Anonymous, Scott, Paqui, Ryan, Ryan G for being a part of this episode! 

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JACK BATES returns to the Pumpkast, fresh off the Rock Invasion 2 Tour and GETTING MARRIED?! We have a wonderful chat about Pumpkins, Peter Hook and the Light, Man U and fear of 5 string basses. Enjoy!

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The Shredder himself was kind enough to check in with us (during a rare moment of downtime) to give an update about the incredible Rock Invasion 2 tour and how it's been going from the band's perspective. We talk zig-zagging these United States, the differences between the primary shows and festival sets, gear stuff, how the band felt during the storm delay in Memphis and more. Jeff also teases a teeny bit about the big Fall tour with Jane's Addiction, and rightfully steers clear of giving up too much on the song “Beguiled” and what it was doing on the rehearsal setlist.

It takes a lot of effort for us not to just GUSH about the level the band is performing at these days... Did we succeed? YOU DECIDE!

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DISCLAIMER: We recorded this on Frank's iPhone in Pat's car, so the audio is a little rougher than usual.

Your boys at the Pumpkast got to attend the Pumpkins performance at The Late Late Show with James Corden. We almost didn't make it, but we lived to tell the tale! Enjoy. 

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A misunderstood and underappreciated album for its time? Sounds like our Billy! Today on the 'kast we're discussing Billy Corgan's first solo outing, TheFutureEmbrace. An underrated "electronic" (but having more in common with shoegaze) album featuring some refreshing, surprising elements that for whatever reason (many reasons) didn't resonate with the public and some fans at the time. It also didn't help that Billy announced the reformation of the Pumpkins the day of the album's release, possibly undercutting any deeper and repeated dives listeners would have given it. Lucky for you, THE SMASHING PUMPKAST exists and WE'RE taking that deep dive into an album there's LOTS love about. Or dare we say...embrace? 

We also talk about the "bonus" track "Tilt" and ponder if it suffered the same fate as "Let Me Give The World To You." All things change, including one's experience with this album over time. Enjoy!

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Hard to believe but today marks the SECOND ANNIVERSARY of the official launch of The Smashing Pumpkast! We could think of no better way to mark the occasion than with our brand new interview with the phenomenal Jeff Schroeder! 

Jeff sits down with us to discuss everything from his unique musical contributions to The Smashing Pumpkins to the benefits of having a guitar teacher with a vast musical palette (and a No-Wave band). We also talk about the Importance of mental health and Jeff's work with the Continuance Foundation (https://www.thecontinuancefoundation.com), which Mellon Collie-era songs he'd 'Love' to play live and the Herculean effort that is working on a 33-song concept album remotely during a pandemic.

We also ask Jeff about his underrated but influential early band "The Lassie Foundation" and how it feels to see people revisit and reassess moments in the SP catalog years later. He's more than a shredder, he's a stone-cold artist and real gentleman. We had such a great time chatting with him. Thanks, Jeff.

Thanks so much to everyone who's supported us over the past two years! MORE TO COME! 

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We've veered off into solo project territory again today with the Jimmy Chamberlin Complex and their 2005 alterna-jazz-rock-fusion album, "Life Begins Again." More Fugazi than Dave Brubeck, more Slint grooves than brass sections, it was a "jazz" album we weren't ready for at the time but (as full-grown GENRE-DEFYING adults) we really f**king dig now. 

First off: Jimmy's cookin’ it up so fast, flippin' sonic flapjacks in flavors we hadn't quite tasted before giving this album a proper listen. We heap praise on the incredible vocal stylings of Catherine Wheel's Rob Dickinson... but Frank’s got murder on the mind when thinking of a Catherine Wheel/Smashing Pumpkins bill. All that plus the "Set the Ray to Jerry"-esque dreaminess of the Billy Corgan-sung "Loki Cat," the unfortunate feeling of a song becoming a late-night stress loop, and the benefits of having a Righteous Brother as a godfather.

But what we really want to know is: If Jimmy-baby's laying organ tracks on this bad boy... where was Ignoffo’s invite?! 

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Hey there Pumpkast listeners! Want a FREE taste of what our our Patreon has to offer? We decided to unlock the most recent episode of our Patron-only spinoff podcast, "Beyond The Patch with Frank & Pat," in which your hosts share some of our favorite non-SP/Corgan tracks we've been diggin' recently. Old stuff, new stuff, deep cuts and rediscovered gems are all on the table (and as you'll hear in this episode, we just can't help ourselves from tying things back to the Pumpkins). You know those tangents we like to go off on in our regular episodes? Consider this the “Oops, All Tangents!” version of the Pumpkast – and a beautiful chance to swap cool music with each other and our awesome Patrons. 

Playlist for this episode of Beyond the Patch:

1. Momma – "Rockstar"

2. Sharon Van Etten – "Let Go"

3. ††† (Crosses) – "Goodbye Horses" (Q Lazarus cover)

4. The Clash – "Sean Flynn"

5. Erasers – "Constant Connection"

6. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds – "Rings of Saturn"

As a $3 "Cool Kid" Patreon member you get access to all episodes of our monthly show "Beyond the Patch," exclusive audio and video commentaries (like our upcoming Vieuphoria video commentary), early access to Pumpkast episodes when available, access to our Discord server, early access to Pumpkast merch, opportunities to join Zoom roundtables, listener polls and opportunities to vote on future episodes! 

Our $8 "Adore" level gets your all of that PLUS every six months YOU get to come on the Pumpkast to talk about the Pumpkin/Corgan-related topic of your choosing! 

It's a great way to go deeper into the world of SP and help us produce a high-quality Pumpkast. If you like what you hear, consider signing up today! We love ya! 

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Zwan Zeason is finally going into hibernation and in this special Bonus Pumpkast episode, listeners chime in with what they love about ZWAN! Frank and Pat also give their final thoughts (for now) on the band, the moment and the surprisingly extensive body of work left behind by the jolly band of true poets.

Thanks to listeners Dean Shaffer, Matthew Matenaer, Reggie Chamberlain-King, Hugo Rios, Auzzie American, Justin Wilson, Worm, Evangelina, Carlos David Glass, Rob D, Steve Foley, David Jepsen and Martin Alvarez. 

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Zwan Zeason is almost over, and today we're excited to present a very special episode covering some key, remaining "Oddz 'N' Endz" from Zwan's unofficial, unreleased catalogue. We had almost 50 songs to chose from! Needless to say, we were overwhelmed and turned to our Patreon members and social media followers to help us narrow it down (you're the best, Pumpkinheads!). We tallied the votes, crunched the numbers and are covering the TOP 13 "oddz 'n' endz" tracks by the mighty Zwan. It's a great batch of Zwan gems that may be new to some of you!

Join us as we delve into the hard-rock-sleaze-prog-metal that is "Spilled Milk," marvel at the "Lost Boys" mystique of "Riverview," and come at you with a seriously hot take: Is Pavement a one-hit-wonder band? All that plus our utopian vision of Corgan and Malkmus burying the hatchet (with the help of The Boss and Sheila E. at Coachella 2024), the art of ruining an intimate show with an ill-timed chair squeak, Stumbleine’s sister track and of course... The Cure. 

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While we put the finishing touches on Zwan Zeason, we decided to catch back up with Katie Cole to talk about her new single "Dreams of Mine" (and how it speaks to being an artist), virtual shows, "The Uncomfortable Zone", manifesting more cats, being open to the future and staying true to the art you can be proud of.

She also gives us a tiny peek behind the curtain (as much as she can) of her work for the upcoming Smashing Pumpkins 33 song opus!  

By the end, you'll agree, all podcasts could use sweet chorus effects on their voices! 

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It's the Djali Zwan album (and official movie soundtrack) that could've been! Today on the 'kast we're talkin' the unreleased, technically unofficial soundtrack to the 2002 Jonas Åkerlund film, Spun, which consists primarily of an impressive collection of original and cover songs performed by the Djali Zwan. 

Joining us to talk about these tracks and the film is Matt Billington (Phantom Handshakes, Holy Tunics). We discuss  how this could be a "White Sandman" sister album to the dark "Adore," dust bowl metal covers, and how "Love is a Battlefield" almost sounds like a Billy original. 

We also ask the questions: Did the CIA secretly collaborate with German band Scorpions to expedite the tearing down of the Berlin Wall? Are the distracting skips in "Jesus, I" intentional (they made sense when Frank took an edible)? And what was the vocal inspiration behind the cover of "Always"? All we know is that it's the return of Sexy Billy, baby!

All that plus we confirm that Billy's Zwan-era nom-de-plume, Billie Burke, IS in reference to the actress Billie Burke, who played Glinda the Good Witch in The Wizard of OZ. 

More movie cameos of Billy in wigs, please. SPUN! 

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We're kicking off 2022 with the penultimate, climactic installment of Zwan Zeason, our coverage of the one and ONLY official full-length Zwan album, MARY STAR OF THE SEA! Joining us is a great old friend of ours (and unofficial Pumpkast producer), comedy writer, music journalist and Zwan enthuziast, Alex Scordelis (The Cinnamon Boys, Paper Magazine, writer for Difficult People and Billy on the Street). Alex kicks off our discussion with a reading of his review of Mary Star of the Sea from his college newspaper in 2003, tells us a story about getting kicked out of an interview with Courtney Love, and even busts out his guitar for some chord progression guessing game action. 

We also discuss the 90’s-era need to fill a CD to the brim, finally giving in to the shameless rock of "Baby Let’s Rock," Lords of Synth dance moves that could have improved the "Lyric" video, and the challenges of being a parent while still making time for the entire "Jesus I/ Mary Star of the Sea" track. All that plus answers to the big questions: Who exactly is Billy Burke (turns out it's a Wizard of Oz reference)? Can Wikipedia be wrong? and Does Stephen Malkmus actually like Zwan?! Oh... and you better believe we make lots of “Get Back” comparisons (Billy is a total Paul). 

It's a fun, inspired, doomed period of Billy’s career that STILL reared a solid, unique and underrated album. 

Hope this episode offers you a little sunshine just to butter your toast! 

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[The following audio is from a Zoom session. Audio may not be as clear as usual]

Another year come and gone in Pumpkinland! 

Joining Frank (since Pat is still Holiday travelin' on the East Coast) to talk about all the Corgan/Pumpkin highlights of 2021 are some wonderful Patreon members: Will Alexander, Pamela Fisher, Steve Foley, David Jepsen, Christian Perez, Faith Tyler and Justin Wilson!

We talk everything from Gishaversary, festival shows and new merch to archive releases, Christmas live streams and SO much more! We also talk about what we look forward to from Corgan and Co. in 2022. 

Happy New Year, Pumpkinheads! Enjoy. 

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Zeason's Greetings! We're kicking off Zwan Zeason with a lil' introduction to the band and its history, and then cover their "first official, ticketed show," which took place at The Glass House in Pomona, CA on November 16th, 2001 (listen to it HERE). 

We of course get right into the impressive musical pedigrees of each individual band member, our personal connections to their various pre- and post-Zwan projects, and recall how we felt when it all came together to form ZWAN (albeit still a Pre-Paz Zwan). We also define the meaning of "Cool Jesus" music, debate the merits of Zwan Live vs. Zwan Recorded, and agree that "Chrysanthemum" would have been a killer single.  

All that plus the big questions: How glorious is "Glorious"? What would the world be like if Zwan had stuck around? How great would an official SP/Corgan lyric site be? And who wants some "Tuesday Wine"? All in all, your hosts found this show to be a strong statement of an official debut by the band. Seriously, you have to hear the live shows to get the FULL context of Zwan. Ziz the Zeason, after all!

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Just in time for your Thanksgiving travels (or to keep you company as you actively avoid the family) it's time to feast on Judas O! Gather 'round the Pumpkast table as guest Matthew Legard (The Colourflies) helps us tackle this delicious b-sides collection and spiritual sister to Pisces Iscariot. We speculate on questions like: What's the meaning behind the titles "Marquis In Spades" and "Set The Ray To Jerry"? Is it a coincidence that the Iha songs are both track 5 on Pisces and Judas? And would the Pumpkins turn down Metallica’s "Some Kind of Monster" therapist?

We also discuss the international espionage feelings of "Because You Are," The "Sparrow"/"Disarm" connection, "Waiting"'s "Spyro"-like sound, and Billy’s playful send-up of his own voice in "Rock On." All that plus the similarities between "Winterlong" and "Vanity" and the Willy-Wonka-Boat-Ride vibes of "My Mistake." We even make room at the table for Evan Dando's Mom.

We're grateful for all you Pumpkinheads out there. Raise a glass of strawberry wine and crank this 'kast! 

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To fulfill their contractual obligations, the Pumpkins' final (at the time) release was a compilation album entitled Rotten Apples: The Smashing Pumpkins Greatest Hits, with some copies being sold with an additional b-sides collection entitled Judas Ø (a spiritual sister to 1994's Pisces Iscariot). In this episode, with help from our special guest Matthew Legard (The Colourflies), we'll be discussing the "Rotten Apples" greatest hits collection itself – then Matthew will also join us next time for our full episode dedicated to "Judas Ø." 

Today we discuss the Pumpkins' influence on Matthew's music, his Pumpkins-inspired vintage clothing collection and how he even owns some choice gear once owned by Billy himself. We also chat about our feelings on "Best Of" albums (especially with bands like SP who have so many great songs), and offer theories on why "Real Love" was chosen to be one of the "new" tracks. All that plus the big questions: Which version of the "Untitled" video was better, and why no "Rocket" or "Thirty-Three"?! We also take a shoegaze detour and you KNOW we talk some Shrek. 

Try not to be annoyed by a shortened Rhinoceros and Drown and pump up this ep of the 'kast LOUD! DONK-EYYY! 

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[This episode is audio from our YouTube Zoom Roundtable video which you can watch in full HERE]
Frank and Pat are joined by guests Mandy Dayton, Melissa Moore and John LaMantia who share their experiences attending one (or five) of the recent "WPC Early Years: 1985-1990" shows at Pumpkinhead hub/friendly neighborhood teahouse, Madame ZuZu's in Highland Park, Illinois. The place where you were born. We had a great chat with these fine folks about this intimate and revelatory set of shows in which Corgan told stories and played vintage gems like "Pictures Of Phillip," "First Curse" and "Mao Say Tongue #2." Enjoy!

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It was to be the FINAL performance of The Smashing Pumpkins. An emotional night and return back to where it all started, the Cabaret Metro. While Frank and Pat weren't fortunate enough to attend the show, through the miracle of technology and a VERY crowd-noise-heavy bootleg, they transport themselves back to December 2nd, 2000 (two days before Pat's 17th birthday -- the very EDGE of 17...) to discuss this epic, four-plus hour finale of the band as we knew it. Your hosts discuss their highlights, Frank rants about talking during songs at concerts (again... and again and AGAIN), Pat confesses to robbing Sonic Youth blind of their precious jewels outside an empty parking garage, rare public political slams and Billy's competitive drive that possibly makes him the Michael Jordan of Alternative Rock. All that plus Frank works through his Daddy issues discussing the involvement of William Corgan, Sr. in this historic set (and how Rick Nielsen plays the proud papa well). 

Imagine you're riding the rail watching your favorite band say "goodbye," contemplating throwing your dirty undies at Billy... and enjoy!

You can listen to the semi-complete bootleg here (all copies of the show cut off the end of Silverf*ck)

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Frank and Pat couldn’t make it to the long-awaited, triumphant return of The Smashing Pumpkins in concert (and live music in general, and moshing!?), but our guest field correspondent Pamela Fisher is here to share her experiences from both festivals. The good, the beard, the loud and the "QUIET!"

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It's another listener appreciation episode! Today we (raindrops + sun)shower praise on Machina and Machina II! Pumpkast listeners share with us what they love about these once underrated but now appreciated and beloved albums. 

Thanks to Kim Rosas, Stephen Patrick Kelly, Justin Reeves, Faith Tyler, Will Alexander, Tony Bacigalupi, David G., Scott from South Australia, Evangelina S. and Justin Wilson from Deprogrammed for submitting their thoughts/feelings!

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Well, we always get a little melancholy on the last day of summer... but the last day of MACHINA SUMMER never felt so cold! We conclude our discussion of the Machina II EPs with Alan Passman (When The Pain Starts), covering EP THREE (CR-03) aka "the alt/counter-versions EP." We talk about the epic bones of “If There Is A God,” the "1979" and Fountains of Wayne-like quirk of the alternate version of "Try, Try, Try" and the strange charm of this version of "Heavy Metal Machine."

All that plus some appreciation for the DIY aesthetic of the EPs' artwork (we want a flame/drop shirt reprint, please!), and our own Glass-like greater meaning behind loving the Pumpkins.

Though we may not have lost our virginity by the end of it, there's no denying it’s been One Crazy Machina Summer! 

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Aaaand.... we're back! We continue our in-depth discussion of the Machina II EPs with Alan Passman (When The Pain Starts), covering EP TWO (CR-02). This installment takes us into the spiritual connection of "Soul Power," "Lucky 13" gets us going about Jason Takes Manhattan and we ponder a "Speed Kills"/Monuments To An Elegy connection.

We also discuss the misguided criticism of the grandiosity of the band’s visual aesthetic, which versions of songs we prefer and the Machina II Acoustic Demos. All that plus one simple wish: For the next tour to involve Billy performing Madonna-style costume changes to showcase the fashion of the Pumpkins over the years. “Glass wrote this song!” 

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Fall is right around the corner, but Machina Summer ain't over yet! Today we're covering the Machina II EPs, starting with EP One (CR-01). Joining us to talk about all three EPs is musician, writer and longtime Pumpkinhead Alan Passman (author of When The Pain Starts), who tells us about the "Stand Inside Your Love"-inspired poem and artwork from his new graphic novel and what the song and band have meant to him over the years. In addition to lots of great insights on the Pumpkins and the Machina era, Alan reveals that he was an extra in the "Perfect" music video, making a plea to Billy/Santa Claus to release the “Perfect House Show" on vinyl. He also shares a paper towel-related interaction with Billy that didn't go so well. 

We all discuss the satisfying wail of a Corgan and Iha solo, the Black Sabbath fog of "Saturnine" (and how that song title inspired Frank’s high school alternative band), and the thick, concrete-building sludge that is this version of "Glass’ Theme." All that plus bands that "ripped off" the Pumpkins and the joy of mishearing "widows" as "weirdos." 

“If you can’t stand the heat, get off of Mickey Rourke’s sex grill." Enjoy!

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Released for free on the Internet (ever heard of it?) in September of 2000, The Smashing Pumpkins' sixth and "final" studio album, MACHINA II/The Friends and Enemies of Modern Music was an unconventional release, born of resistance from the record label to the idea of a grand Machina double album and an instinct to lean into the new phenomenon of digital file sharing rather than fight it. Despite its bootleg nature and sub-Pono audio quality (sorry, Neil) Machina II is chock full of fan favorites and steeped in a retrospective and introspective view on fame. 

In this episode, Frank and Pat delve into the proper, official Machina II album (we'll cover all of the EP tracks in upcoming episodes), discussing everything from Billy’s throwback, child-like coo in "Innosense" to the stone-cold, undeniable spank-ass rock of "Dross." We also get into the the aerial view of the Machina project as a whole and pray to the Almighty Lord Santa for the deluxe reissue.

All that plus Frank embraces a wrestling persona and becomes the heel when talking about "Home," and we answer big questions like: Which song reminds Pat of a clown funeral? Is this version of "Here’s to the Atom Bomb" a subtle nod to Courtney Love? And IS "White Spyder" the Pumpkins’ "Ace of Spades"? 

We say it's natural/magic, kid! 

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It's Part Two of our Machina/The Machines of God deep dive! In this episode we go deep into the maturation of the band's jangly, goth, pre-Gish sound into something thick and powerful, the 80's Pop Rock of "The Imploding Voice," and some seeds of CYR to come. We also discuss the Bowie Scary Monsters influence, the beautiful inspiration behind "With Every Light," and Frank's "Crying Tree of Mercury" and Gremlins association. All that plus some much deserved appreciation for the artist behind the Machina album art (and some cool custom skateboards on his website), Vasily Kafanov, our next tour wishlist and dreams of Katie Cole and Sierra Swan doing live backing vocals on some of these ol' tracks. We also ask the big question: Does Machina sync perfectly with The Never Ending Story?! No. It does not, but it’s fun to think it does! 

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It was the end of The Smashing Pumpkins (for a while, of course). In 2000, the band announced their breakup and released what was to be their final album, Machina/The Machines of God. A loosely conceptual album that got buried in a time of TRL Teen Pop and Nü Metal, over the years Machina has gained the respect and admiration (we believe) it deserves. In Part 1 of our 2-part coverage of "Machina One" we discuss the high concept, Bowie-esque themes of Zero transforming to Glass, The Jekyll & Hyde nature of "The Everlasting Gaze", the Peter Hook hook of "Raindrops + Sunshowers" and the cream of the "radio, radio" songs crop that is "I of the Mourning". We delve deep into the many sonic layers of this deceptively beautiful, challenging album and explore how the band pulls elements from their entire history, circling back to their 80’s roots while implementing all the power and experience they accumulated along the way. Join us as we ponder the "Cherub Rock"/"Heavy Metal Machine" connection, the bittersweet feeling of "This Time" and this week's big thought experiment: Is Machina the daytime companion to The Cure's Disintegration? Think about it... All that and more plus Pat’s Romantic Teen Comedy epiphany with "The Sacred and Profane"!

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In this Bonus mini-episode, Pumpkast listeners who attended "The Arising! Tour" share their firsthand accounts. Thanks to Adam B., Julie R., David K., Zwee, Art A., Andrew R., Glenn G and Brian for sharing! 

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DJ and Filmmaker Peter Makebish tagged along with the Pumpkins on their 9-date Arising! Tour and filmed every show – as well as lots of candid behind-the-scenes footage never before seen by the Pumpkinhead public. As he watched through the tapes, he realized he had a potential documentary on his hands. 20-plus years later, the footage MIGHT finally see the light of day. 

Peter takes us through his history with the band, his approach to filmmaking and lots of memories from the tour, including giving Jimmy Flemion from The Frogs a haircut onstage during "1979." All that plus Billy on a water slide, "the fun bus," the Pumpkins' lasting legacy and Peter's hopes for his documentary to finally see a release. Party like it's 1999, gang! Enjoy!

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We're kicking off "Machina Summer" with a hot one! In 1999, The Smashing Pumpkins took a break from recording Machina: The Machines of God to embark on a nine-date US tour dubbed "The Arising!". It seemed like a triumphant moment in SP history, with Jimmy's return marking the first time all four original members had played together since 1996. The short, small-venue tour also gave the band a chance to debut new songs from Machina I and II and have some fun with re-imagined takes on old favorites. Sadly, it also marked the exit of bassist D'arcy Wretzky, the only original pumpkin never to return to the patch (thus far...). Joining us to discuss the tour as well as D'arcy's exit and lasting influence is Karyn Cooper from Chick-Lit Pod! We have a healing group therapy session with Karyn and later share a pretty stunning first-hand account from one of our listeners who was there. 

It's part one of our two-part coverage of The Arising!, a fleeting, fraught, fascinating moment in Pumpkins history. Enjoy!

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It's another installment of our listener chats, Pumpkinheads, and joining us this time is indie musician and artist Huron John! We discuss how his work is influenced by the Pumpkins, keeping the DIY ethos alive, and what it's like being a "Gen Z" Pumpkins fan (and the ridiculousness of these generational labels). We also delve into the inner workings of Spotify and the new gatekeepers of today's music industry, what Tame Impala and My Bloody Valentine have in common with the Pumpkins, and the rich tapestry that is Billy’s vision for the band. 

We all relate on the idea of Mellon Collie training our young ears for a diverse musical palette, and Huron shares some SP memories like seeing the Pumpkins in Chicago with his Dad and visiting the record store to buy the Teargarden box set.

All that plus the importance of physical media, more love for CYR and that feeling when art finds you in the right place and time. Hope that place and time for you and this episode is HERE and NOW because it's a great one!

Check out Huron's brand new album Cartoon Therapy (and the boardgame-inspired vinyl release of it on June 17th)!

(Recorded in March 2021)

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It's our first trip into chatting with Pumpkast listeners! Today we have musician and illustrator Stephen Patrick Kelly (The Heirs of the Supernova, Have Strat Will Travel, Shane Longshadow is Hungry) on the show to discuss how he came to SP, the diverse makeup of their fanbase, Pumpkin tattoos and the similarities Billy shares with Superman in The Justice League comics. We also discuss respecting Billy’s boundaries and a POC's place in the world today. All that plus Stephen’s band The Heirs of the Supernova and their new album Instruments for Declination. 

Hopefully you enjoy listening to this conversation as much as we enjoyed having it. Thanks, Stephen! 

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Happy Gish-aversary, Pumpkinheads! This past weekend Billy and Jimmy celebrated 30 years of Gish with a live listening party/Q&A at the rockin-est tea house in America, Madame ZuZu's. Though your hosts couldn't physically attend, we were all over the livestream and are here to share our thoughts on what we loved about this special event. Craving some first-hand reporting from someone who was there in person? Pumpkast Field Correspondent Pamela Fisher (aka polkadotpam) was kind enough to "spill the tea" with her fist-hand account! Lots of great stuff to talk about including the announcement of the first archive release, "Live in Japan 1992." We're going crazy... buying all this new merch! 

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Our very first return guest, Sierra Swan, is back on the ‘kast to discuss her new EP “Tangerines" (out early on Bandcamp and everywhere else on May 17th)! We inevitably talk Prince, parenting and the secretly-jacked genius of Danny Elfman, as well as the process of writing and recording the new EP, which includes the track "Peach" written by Billy Corgan. Sierra also gives Billy credit for reaching out to his fans about mental health on his Instagram -- or as she calls it, "Billy TV" -- and even teases some upcoming projects (solo and with the Corganator). All that and more plus fun Covid weddings, live concert dreamin' and WEED! 

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At the time, the reaction to post-Mellon Collie Pumpkins albums was a mixed bag amongst fans and critics. But here at the Pumpkast, we see value in these albums and we know you do too! For this episode, listeners share their stories of why they adore 'Adore"! 

Thanks to Pam, David, Ness, Will, Mary, Evangelina, Omar, Simon, StarlytNite (sorry we said "StarlyNite" in the episode), Scott, Dan, Carlos, Jacob, Noni and Justin!

We plan to do these for every post-Mellon Collie studio release, so be on the lookout for when you can submit your thoughts on Machina/Machina II, coming this summer!

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In this second (and final) installment of our two-part coverage of "Adore," we go through A DOOR and ask the questions: Do Dusty and Pistol Pete live in the same world as "Ramona"?! Is "Shame" a secret sock hop song that would make a great pop-punk cover?! And did "Blank Page" throw a seed into the future, later blossoming as "Birch Grove"?! We also discuss how Cruel Intentions was the Moody Teen's American Pie, how "prettily" the epic "For Martha" unfolds, and an empowered, "owning-it" view of "Annie-Dog." We then delve into what WandaVision and Billy have in common and, believe it or not, The Cure comes up again. All that plus our quick thoughts on the Japanese Bonus track (and "Ava Adore" b-side) "Once In A While" and the infamous, omitted, Rick Rubin-produced track, "Let Me Give The World To You." 

Be a sh-sh-sh-sh-sh-shame if you missed this one, Sheila! 

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An album your boys love with all their hearts, it had to be split into two parts! That's right, Pumpkinheads, Frank and Pat are finally covering 1998's "Adore." This two-part exploration visits a dark time in the Pumpkins' history, during which Jimmy's exit and personal loss signaled the beginning of the end (is the beginning?) of the band as we knew it. While a polarizing album for Pumpkins fans at the time, the daring Adore – or in Billy-ism, "A Door" – has aged into one of the most beloved albums in the SP catalog. 

In Part One we immerse ourselves in the emotional highs and lows of an album that feels like love, loss and a bleak, serene comedown from designer drugs. On our journey we visit the Roxbury Guys, take a detour into Yosemite Sam Elliot territory and work through our misguided judgments of the VH1 Fashion Awards association. 

All that plus Frank attempts to read Billy's re-issue liner notes aloud and Pat discovers he's related to most of the Adore tracklist. We'd be crestfallen if you missed this one!  

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Today on the Pumpkast, we hop across the pond (socially distanced via Zencastr) to chat with touring Smashing Pumpkins bassist and all-around great guy, Jack Bates! 

Jack tells us about meeting Billy for the first time when Corgan sat in with New Order, and the journey from there to being asked to join the Pumpkins while on tour with his Dad's band Peter Hook and the Light. He also recalls all the work and rehearsal that went into the 'Shiny' tour, getting to take the piss out of fellow British football fans while touring with Noel Gallagher, and what it’s like playing with the greatest living rock drummer, Jimmy Chamberlain!

Jack also shares his love of Dinosaur Jr., Eric Avery and Metallica, and gives a very important note to the current bassist in New Order. All that and more – plus the Pumpkins songs that are on Jack's live-setlist wishlist. By the end of this interview, you'll be buying your own Yamaha BB 1200S and cheering on Manchester United! 

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Today on the 'kast we turn our eyes (and ears) to the Smashing Pumpkins' (or just Billy?) track "EYE" from the Trent Reznor-produced soundtrack to the 1997 David Lynch film, Lost Highway. We delve into the surprisingly Shaquille O'Neal-based origins of "Eye," Lynch's initial rejection of "Tear," and give our two cents on the film and the rest of the twisted tunes from the soundtrack. Along the way, we'll tell tales of meeting Lou Reed while high on weed cookies, ponder why This Mortal Coil's gorgeous "Song to the Siren" doesn't make the final soundtrack and ask the big question: Is Hocus Pocus a good movie or a GREAT movie? All that plus our pals at the Nine Inch Nails/David Bowie-centric podcast Pod Like A Hole drop in to give their thoughts on "Eye." Is it any wonder we can't sleep? We're too excited for you to listen to this episode! 

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Today on the Pumpkast, we take a trip down south with James Iha's 1998 country-tinged solo album, "Let It Come Down"! While it was not a hit with critics or audiences, there is plenty to appreciate about this cozy gem. Frank and Pat discuss how James deliberately avoided a "watered down Pumpkins" album (and how they're not too proud to admit they probably would have been fine with that), and the album's impressive list of collaborators, including Nina Gordon, Adam Schlesinger and D'Arcy. We also delve into the contrast between James' trademark dry sarcasm and his penchant for earnest, sappy love songs, how there were stronger choices than "Be Strong Now" for the single, and Frank’s secret history as "The Walrus," a lesser-known member of KISS. It's a fun detour down Iha Lane to those heady, pre-Adore days in Pumpkinland. Hallelujah, we're in love with -- well, we're at least glad we gave a good listen to -- this album!

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It's the 25th Anniversary of the release of the "1979" single, so what better way to celebrate than by talking to one of the ACTUAL cool kids in the iconic video, LAUREN ENGLISH?! Lauren reminisces with us about how she was discovered and cast in the video, how fun it was to roll in a giant tire, and her experiences simulating a teenage party that was not such a simulation after all. She also discusses her connection to James Iha and Marilyn Manson, what she's up to nowadays and the real-life mishap involving tapes on the roof of a car that was later referenced in the "Perfect" video. It was a really great conversation and we think you Pumpkinheads will love it. Thanks to our pal Alex Scordelis for helping us produce this episode! 

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Happy New Year, Pumpkinheads! In honor of something no one's been able to do in forever, we kick off 2021 with the first-ever "Pumpkast Goes To The Movies!" Grab your popcorn and nippled Bat-Suits because we're talkin' the underrated Pumpkin gems from the soundtrack to 1997's Batman & Robin (plus single b-sides & demos). Frank and Pat discuss the bridge between Mellon Collie and Adore and how the seeds of CYR may have been sprouting even back then. We also bat-gab about the EITBITE music video, some other tracks on the soundtrack, Mr. Freeze's "cool" puns and a secret collab between Billy and Trent Reznor that sounds like the B-52s? All that plus Electronica's 90's rise, Billy viewing Missy Elliot and Wu-Tang as the future of music and the art of still being stoked on the Pumpkins even when your friends jump ship. Even Howard the Duck peeks his beak in for a second. Its 2021! Go as Joe, Bat-heads! Follow us on the socials: Instagram: @smashingpumpkast Twitter: @PumpkinsPodcast Please rate and review us!

As we land the plane on this most turbulent of years, we also conclude our sonic flight over The Aeroplane Flies High – with the "Tonight, Tonight" and "Thirty-Three" EPs. Frank and Pat talk the cohesiveness of the "Tonight, Tonight" EP and the surprisingly pleasant hodgepodge of songs that is "Thirty-Three." In the process we touch on the darker side of the song "Tonight, Tonight," Country Shoegaze, and how remastered versions of beloved works can sometimes lead to "Jedi Rocks." We also get another underrated gem from James, crack the Tom Selleck code and reminisce on how the Pumpkast is our own blue heaven! You'll be "happy as a turtle" listening to this one. Putting it out to the Universe: 2021 is the year Frank & Pat direct a Pumpkins video. Make it happen, cosmos! 

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Frank & Pat are back with Part 2 of 3 of our Aeroplane Flies High deep dive. In this episode, we'll be covering the super-sized single that's actually an EP: ZERO. This one deserved its own episode because we're breaking down every single clip included on the riff boneyard known as "Pastichio Medley."  We also discuss being part of the Pepsi generation, Sharpie clothing and the unsung genius of Corgan's proficient guitar licks (and how the Guitar God himself, Eddie Van Halen, blessed him). All that plus Mark McGrath in Spades and Chris Gaines' possible connection to the Zero character.

Wanna go for a ride?! 

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Frank and Pat finally reach the beginning of the end of the Mellon Collie era with the 1996 b-sides box set The Aeroplane Flies High! In Part 1 of our 3-part coverage of everyone's favorite hypnotic CD suitcase, we'll be tackling the "Bullet with Butterfly Wings" and "1979" singles (both of which contain some of our all-time favorite SP b-sides). We draw parallels between The Cars' and The Pumpkins' underrated influence on today's music, give more love for The Cure and ponder how "Ugly" is a secret metal song. All that plus hot takes on which James Iha tracks should have made the Mellon Collie cut and more Wayne's World references than necessary! Schwing!

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The clocks have all hit zero and the new double album "CYR" is finally here! Frank and Pat give their quick first impressions of the album (covering the non-single tracks since we already covered the singles in other Bonus eps). We'll be doing a deep dive episode into the full album and "In Ashes" later next year (since we're trying to go chronologically), but for now, these are our initial thoughts. Enjoy! 

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Multi-hyphenate, multi-talented musician Katie Cole joins us to discuss her vital role in producing and crafting the supporting vocals on the new SP album, CYR, her early days in Australia, and how putting your desires out into the universe can pay off big. We also talk about the huge impact her mother had on her appreciation of music, working with legends like Glen Campbell and what it was like touring with Billy Corgan and playing with the Pumpkins on the In Plainsong Tour and beyond.  Even her cat even makes a cameo! And Frank & Pat take a page from Katie's book and put THEIR own Pumpkast desire out into the universe for 2021! 

You can follow Katie on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook. And pick up her music and merch on Bandcamp. 

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Frank and Pat get giddy about CYR being less than a week away and give their quick thoughts on the new singles "Dulcet in E" and "Purple Blood" while also teasing some upcoming episodes! A pear or a candle, one thing's for sure IT'S the Smashing Pumpkast! 

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On today's Pumpkast we have a great chat with Rapper, producer and die-hard Pumpkins fan SPOSE about the making of his recent Jay Z/Smashing Pumpkins mashup album, "Marcy Projects and the Infinite Sadness,” and how it kept him creative and sane during the pandemic. We also discuss his early life and deep connection to the Pumpkins (including his early HTML SP fan site "By Starlight"), and the life-changing moment of his surprise hit "I'm Awesome." All that plus John Steinbeck rap, "Dross" appreciation, 90's music talk and more! 'Spose you better check it out!  

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The incredible, multi-talented musician SIERRA SWAN joins us on the Pumpkast to talk about her work on the upcoming SP album, CYR, her musical family tree, her diverse resume of past collaborations (including touring with Gary Numan and Ringo Starr), and the story of how her years-long friendship with Billy began via Courtney Love at Linda Perry's studio. She also offers sage advice for anyone facing rejection in their field of work, and we even have time for a three-way Prince love-fest (though not the kind that probably went on at Paisley Park)! Sierra rules and we were so honored to have this great conversation with her. Enjoy! (Recorded in October 2020)

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HAPPY HALLOWEEN, PUMPKINLAND! Frank & Pat give their quick 'n' spooky thoughts on the new singles "Ramona" and "Wyttch"! We also talk about the "Ramona" video, the upcoming David Bowie tribute show, new merch for the MCIS anniversary, the Movember Billy solo acoustic performance and Pat throwing his hat in the ring for the Archive artwork project. All that plus Frank makes an important correction about his use of the word "grunge." Hope you all "Go as Joe" this Halloween! 

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Frank & Pat give their super quick thoughts on the recent news of a Mellon Collie/Machina Double Album Sequel, the proposed high concept Mellon Collie era themed tour and the status of the Machina reissue. We also discuss Billy's announcement of this news and how his ominous tone at the beginning made us nervous. We briefly discuss the Zoom interview with Daniel P. Carter,  we give props to Papa Jimmy killin' it in interviews and our thoughts on The Smashing Pumpkins: The Characters, The Creation, The Concept. 

We're just gabbin' some quick empty junk thoughts. Enjoy!

Also, thank you for listening! We've hit 11k plus listens and we literally could not have done it without you! We're extremely grateful, Pumpkinland! 

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Just in time for the 25th Anniversary of Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, Frank & Pat delve into Disc 2: "Twilight to Starlight"! This time they're joined by comedian, actor, producer, author and good friend,  DC Pierson (Stay for Dinner, Captain America: The Winter Soldier), who discusses his history with and rediscovery of the tracks off of this iconic blue CD. We go deep on songs that are scary but rule, the Mountain Dew rush of "1979," and Regis & Kathie Lee inspiring "Thirty-Three."  All that plus songs tailor-made for Chino of the Deftones, Gene Shalit lateral segues... and is the "King of the Horseflies" actually Trent Reznor?  

If Siamese Dream were an epic movie, Mellon Collie would be a majestic Broadway play. Billy Babe-Ruths this concept and knocks it out of the park with "Twilight to Starlight," capping off a stellar double-album that became an instant classic. Coil this 'kast 'round your bumblebee ears! 

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Frank & Pat finally tackle the 1995 diamond-status double album juggernaut, Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness! We start our coverage with disc 1 of MCIS: Dawn to Dusk, in which Frank and Pat break down their history with the album, a listener shares a theory of Billy's frustration fueling his ambitious grandeur, "Zero" becomes Alternative Music's Superman, and certain lyrics make for awkward car rides with Mom.  All that plus Star Woman's sexy secret, the spiritual sequel to "Love Stinks," little masks for your dog and more!  

Let this episode keep you company on those empty party afternoons! 

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In this Bonus MIni-Episode, Frank & Pat give their quick thoughts on the latest singles "Anno Satana" and "Birch Grove"! We also tease some upcoming episodes! 

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Frank & Pat welcome actor, director, producer and not-so-secret Pumpkins fan MELISSA JOAN HART to the 'kast to discuss her history with the band, how her favorite musicians in real-life became her characters Clarissa and Sabrina's favorites as well, and that time she went clubbing with Billy Corgan and Courtney Love after a Late Night with Conan O' Brien appearance. We also talk being a kid actor in the 90s, how her working class roots led her to learn other sides of the business, and the time Robert Smith signed her ex-boyfriend’s cast. All that plus MTV Cribs, Picasso and more! 

Check out Melissa's upcoming Lifetime Christmas movies: 'Feliz NaviDAD'!, Dear Christmas and Once Upon a Main Street, and her dark comedy short MUTE.

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Frank & Pat give their quick 'n' dirty thoughts on the new singles “Confessions of a Dopamine Addict” and “Wrath,” discuss the awesome SP clothing from Huf and decide to save their DEEPER thoughts on the full “In Ashes” experience until the whole thing is released.  It’s a quick trip into the owl's drug cove, but we hope you enjoy it!

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SO Much to cover in this Bonus Mini-Episode! Frank & Pat give their reactions to the latest countdown clock reveal! New DOUBLE ALBUM entitled "CYR" due out November 27th and an Animated Series to coincide with the album release, as well as some other cool tidbits. Lot of goodies to cover on this quick n' dirty episode. Enjoy, Pumpkinheads! 

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Frank & Pat cover the 1994 b-sides and rarities collection that feels like a proper album, PISCES ISCARIOT. And joining us to talk about this non-album is Ryan Parrish (of the bands Celebrity, Hopesfall, In Parallel). We discuss how this was an important Pumpkins release for all of us, how we worried about parents hearing certain lyrics, Glam Rawk, Iha Country Western, Pee Pee Bugs, Cheeky Corgan, Dan Aykroyd joining Hopesfall, Morning Pages lyrics for "Spaced" and so much more!

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Frank & Pat welcome Eric D. Johnson (aka Fruit Bats) to the Pumpkast to talk about his brand new, full-album cover of Siamese Dream – out now on Turntable Kitchen! We had a great time talking to Eric about growing up in Chicago and watching the Pumpkins break big, what Siamese Dream means to him, and his approach to re-imagining the iconic album. We also discuss the Pumpkins' unique Midwest mysticism, the nexus of alternative radio and bonehead classic rock, and the freedom of having a "big tent" of musical influences. All that plus the boys dole out their first Pumpkast Seal of Approval (spoiler alert: this album is the recipient!). Apologies for the few moments of crackly audio. Enjoy! 

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Frank and Pat recorded this quick (not so quick) bonus ep today (8/29) to give their first impressions on the new singles "Cyr" and "The Colour Of Love"! 

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Been a while with one of these, but we're back with a Bonus Mini-Episode and we're doing some quick off the cuff speculation on the new countdown clocks on the SP website and socials! What could it all mean?! I mean, we kind of know, but still! It's fun to speculate. Also, some listener shoutouts and a correction/apology regarding our commentary on Disarm in the Siamese Dream episode.  

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Today on the Pumpkast, Frank & Pat cover the 1993 Smashing Pumpkins opus Siamese Dream! It's only fitting that a deeply earnest and personal album gets a deeply earnest and personal episode from the lads of the 'kast. That's not to say there aren't some laughs along the way! All that plus Butch Vig Guitar Maps, The Artist's Way success stories, secret segues, stuffy British censors who love Andrew Dice Clay, the ONE TRUE way to spell "Mayonaise" and SO much more! In a dream we are connected... by our love of this incredible album!

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(Warning: Naughty language!) Today on the Pumpkast, Frank and Pat discuss 1991's LULL EP. We share some interesting Rhinoceros facts, discuss how Billy was pre-Punk'd by the label, explore alternate-potentially-problematic lyrics and reminisce about Commander Keen. You outta know, Uncle Joey! Put on those masks and pump this 'kast! 

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You've been Daydreaming about it for months and the big day has finally come: for Frank and Pat to gush about GISH! Mustard lies, misheard lyrics, Fallon-esque rambling praises, LSD "strains," and the early days of Billy's D'ifficulties with D'Arcy. We dive deep into the Pumpkins' official album debut, from the recording process to the cover art to the little bell necklace Billy wore to bust ol' Butch Vig's chops. SEE YOU there!  

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(Recorded in May 2020) Frank battles a sinus infection while Pat shows off his Foley skills! In this episode of the Pumpkast, we cover the Pre-Gish official releases: Light Into Dark, I Am One (Limited Potential) single, Tristessa (Sub Pop) single and 20 Explosive Dynamic Super Smash Hit Explosions!

So much to cover in this episode: Ignoffo, baby! The Pumpkins connect with Butch Vig, Billy's prominent "SEE YOU!" in I Am One, Sub Pop snubs and groovin' on catchy covers of semi-obscure classic rock gems while visions of Machina box-sets dance in our heads! Ho, Ho, Ho! MERRY PUMPKAST!

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(Recorded April 2020) Frank & Pat conclude their demo cassette reviews (remotely) by covering 1989's "Moon" demo! Lots to break down in this one. Ignoffo lays down an organ jam for Baby Billy that's "groovy, baby!" The Pisces Iscariot original pressing that got away! Ye Olde Pumpkin Merriment! Drunk Drivin' Soul Asylum/Candlebox Lovin' Uncles! Rigged McDonald's Contests! Christian Slater-Nicholson! Mustard Lies! Defensive Alternative Band Track Titles! All that and MORE! Just remember you can always "Go as Joe." #GoAsJoe

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(Recorded April 2020) Frank & Pat review The Smashing Pumpkins' 1989 self-titled demo cassette "The Smashing Pumpkins"! If only we had a time machine to go back and see those early Pumpkins shows (and do nothing else with the time travel technology)! We apologize for the less than perfect audio quality, we're still figuring out the best way to record remotely during these COVID times. 

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Originally recorded Feb 2020, this is a stand-alone re-release of our commentary and analysis of one of the Smashing Pumpkins' first demo cassettes, Nothing Ever Changes. Clean me out, Billy!

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It's our first quarantine lockdown episode (Recorded April 10th)! A lot of technical aspects of recording remotely were unknown, so we used this episode to make sure we could record future eps and thankfully, it worked like a charm. Frank & Pat make their own 14 track Pumpkins mix and break down what they chose and why. The guidelines for the mixes? It had to be on Spotify (so we could share with the listeners) and that it only stuck to Smashing Pumpkins only (no solo or side projects). Hopefully you all enjoy this fun little ep before we dive back into the demo cassettes! 

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In this Bonus Mini-Episode Pat shares some BIG news! Frank covers some listener feedback and questions, a perfect "My Mistake," Frank & Pat's Pumpkin Picks of the Week and a preview of next week's full episode! 

Warning: Elements of this mini-episode might give you "paws." 

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This episode serves up two hearty chunks of Pumpkin meat! First we talk to special guest Lauren Adams (The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, Modern Family, Drunk History) about her Catholic confirmation retreat, vividly linked in memory to a CD copy of Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness. In the process we cover everything from dead bunnies to Sinéad O'Connor to the state of the Catholic church in Buffalo, NY. Next, Frank and Pat provide commentary and analysis while listening to one of the Smashing Pumpkins' first demo cassettes, Nothing Ever Changes. 

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It's another Bonus Mini-Episode! Listener feedback! Pumpkins songs Johnny Cash could have covered! Corrections from last week's episode!  Other music pod recs! Other music we're digging! Frank's Pumpkin Pick of the Week! Preview of next week's episode! AND MOOOOORE!!! EXCLAMATION MARKS!!! 

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In our first Bonus Mini-Episode, Frank (w/ the occasional pop-in from Pat) teases next week's episode, reads a listener message, the hosts share their "Pumpkin Picks Of The Week" & more! 

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Episode ZERO! An introduction to The Smashing Pumpkast, a bi-weekly podcast dedicated to our favorite band, The Smashing Pumpkins. Frank and Pat break down what the band means to them, what to expect in the show's future(Embrace), and the series of events that led to the Pumpkast's inception. Email us with questions or feedback at [email protected], follow us on twitter @PumpkinsPod and on Instagram @smashingpumpkast. Wanna go for a ride?