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(1:45) Ministry and personal endeavors
(4:45) Conversion and call to ministry
(8:08) Involvement in music industry
(9:10) Rootedness and being known by faithful men
(14:00) The benefits of music background for shepherding
(15:40) Schooling and seminary training
(16:55) Transitioning to pastoral ministry
(24:02) From music ministry in SoCal to planting in the midwest
(33:00) Have conversations with faithful men about ministry calling
(34:10) Final words