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If I Could Turn Back Time: COVID-19 Lessons Learned

53 min • 30 april 2025

In this episode, Dr. Jessica Steier and Dr. Sarah Scheinman welcome Dr. Paul Offit to discuss the evolution of COVID-19 from pandemic to endemic status, the challenges of misinformation and public health messaging, and the importance of rebuilding trust in science. The scientists explore the challenges of effective public health communication amid widespread misinformation, examining how trust in scientific institutions has been affected. Dr. Offit shares insights on mRNA vaccine technology and addresses the evidence surrounding SARS-CoV-2's origins, emphasizing the scientific consensus supporting natural emergence rather than laboratory origin. The conversation also tackles the persistent vaccine-autism controversy, with Dr. Offit debunking common myths while providing context on autism research. Throughout the episode, the experts highlight the complex relationship between pharmaceutical development, public health, and the critical importance of evidence-based approaches to combat misinformation.


(00:00) Intro

(02:22) Understanding the Transition from Pandemic to Endemic

(05:18) Misinformation and Public Health Messaging

(10:21) Rebuilding Trust in Science

(12:29) The Role of mRNA Technology in Vaccines

(18:20) Comparing COVID-19 and Influenza

(24:18) The Origins of SARS-CoV-2

(26:49) Investigating the Origins of SARS-CoV-2

(32:11) The Autism and Vaccine Controversy

(37:25) Pharmaceutical Industry and Vaccine Trust

(43:20) Natural Immunity vs. Vaccination

(46:12) The Current State of Public Health and Vaccination


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Dr. Offit's book:

Tell Me When It's Over: An Insider's Guide to Deciphering Covid Myths and Navigating Our Post-Pandemic World

https://amzn.to/3YSCDwq





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