Unholy: Two Jews on the News

As the conflict in the north against Hezbollah intensifies, and as Israel’s prime minister touches down in New York, we turn to Amit Segal, Channel 12’s lead political analyst, for a deep dive inside the mind of Benjamin Netanyahu. Plus: a theatrical mensch and a dose of presidential chutzpah.

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Israel and Hezbollah edge closer to all-out conflict than at any moment since October 7th, following a stunning display of intelligence and technical ingenuity that targeted thousands of Hezbollah operatives in Lebanon with simultaneous pager blasts. We’ll take a deep dive into the details - and reflect on the year that was with legendary Israeli journalist Ilana Dayan. Plus, an exclusive interview with a British journalist who’s been making waves this week—let’s just say, you may have heard him before on Unholy.

This episode was re-edited on Friday 4 at PM.

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As we approach the first anniversary of the 7th of October and the following war, we take stock with Israel’s leading military analyst, Amos Harel, offering in-depth insights into the ongoing situation. Plus: a hint of the supernatural in this week’s chutzpah and a superhero mensch.

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After Kamala Harris and Donald Trump faced off in their first presidential debate, Yonit and Jonathan gather to dissect the pivotal moments — from Viktor Orbán to Taylor Swift, the war in Gaza to Ukraine, plus some unforgettable lines and very telling body language.

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In what may be the darkest week since October 7th, Israelis and Jews worldwide were left reeling by the tragic news of the execution by Hamas of six young Israeli hostages, none more than 40, after nearly a year in captivity. As protests sweep through Israel, demanding an immediate hostage deal, the way forward remains painfully unclear and progress ever more elusive as Benjamin Netanyahu insists on a new red line that cannot be crossed. In this episode, Yonit and Jonathan talk of grief and uncertainty - and look for consolation amidst the anguish.

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Israel’s war on three fronts intensifies, with a preemptive strike on Hezbollah in the north, escalated operations in the West Bank, and a rescue operation of an Israeli hostage from the tunnels in Gaza. As headlines focus once again on the chances of a hostage deal, we felt it essential to re-air the deeply moving stories of two mothers caught in this harrowing reality. In their interviews on Unholy, Ayelet Levy Shachar and Rachel Goldberg-Polin share what it means to fight relentlessly for the return of their children from captivity.

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This week, we’re stepping away from the immediate headlines to do something a little different. Instead of our usual deep dive into the news of the hour, we’re dedicating this episode to you—our listeners. Your questions have been piling up in our inbox, and it’s finally time to tackle them. From the personal to the political, and everything in between, we’re here to explore the topics that matter most to you.

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As the high-stakes summit in Doha is framed as the final chance to secure a hostage release, tensions over a possible response from Iran and Hezbollah are mounting. This week, alongside our deep dive into those unfolding events, we’re putting our listeners in the spotlight, addressing the pressing questions you’ve sent in. From global conflicts to personal perspectives, we’re tackling the issues that matter most to you.

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After a week in which Israelis held their breath, waiting for a potentially lethal response from both Hezbollah and Tehran to last week's assassinations, Yonit and Jonathan talk to Suzanne Maloney, one of America's foremost analysts of Iran: how do the country's leaders see their confrontation with Israel playing out now and in the future? Plus, as the war in Gaza enters its 11th month, the wait for a hostage release grows ever more desperate; how the Jewish factor might have played a role in Kamala Harris's choice of running mate - and riots in the UK stir thousand year old memories. 

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Israel braces itself for what feels like an inevitable, lethal response from Iran and its proxies, following not one but two assassinations – one of them in Tehran itself. Meanwhile, Israelis are shaken by a moment some describe as the country’s January 6. Yonit and Jonathan discuss it all with author and journalist Matti Friedman, one of the sharpest observers of Israeli society and history. Plus: a chutzpah award for the Americans weighing into the Veepstakes with an effort to block one potential running mate for Kamala Harris in particular.

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This week- New Yorker editor David Remnick partners up with Yonit as guest co-host.

They discuss President Biden's decision to drop out of the race, Democrats’ newfound affection for Vice President Harris, and Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu's speech in front of Congress. Plus - a conversation with Haaretz military analyst Amos Harel, on what’s next in the war in Gaza and why the hostage negotiations have yet to produce a deal.

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This week - CNN’s Bianna Golodryga joins Yonit as guest co-host.

In the US - mere days after shots were fired towards him in a failed assassination attempt, former President Donald Trump took the stage at the Republican National Convention - and introduced a running mate. Former Trump administration official now turned critic of the 45th president, Alyssa Farah Griffin, weighs in on J.D. Vance and on Trump’s potential new inner circle – and on why she feels politically “homeless”. 

Meanwhile, in Israel, mounting pressure on Netanyahu, ahead of his speech to Congress, as a hostage deal appears yet again within reach. Yonit and Bianna speak to Ayelet Levy Shachar, mother of kidnapped soldier Naama Levy, about the decision to publish harrowing images of her daughter in captivity - and her nine months-long fight to bring Naama home.  

*This episode was recorded before the drone attack in Tel Aviv early Friday morning.

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Two attempted killings, 14 hours - and a world - apart. In this emergency episode, Yonit and Jonathan discuss the implications of both the assassination attempt on Donald Trump at a rally in Pennsylvania and the Israeli air strike on Gaza aimed at killing Mohammed Deif, one of the masterminds behind October 7. With uncertainty still swirling about both events, what could be their lasting impact?

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As Democrats weigh up what to do about Joe Biden, Yonit and Jonathan talk to New York Times columnist and podcaster Ezra Klein, who back in February became the most prominent US journalist to argue that Biden was too old to seek re-election. They discuss what Democrats should do now, as well as Klein’s recent reporting from Israel: how do liberal Jewish Americans like him now see the country – and themselves? Plus: the latest on the UK’s new government, Israel’s current government and France’s struggle to form a government. Plus: a bumper crop of mensch and chutzpah award nominees.

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They’ve voted in Britain, are about to vote in France and come November they’ll be voting in America - even if they’re not exactly sure who’s going to be on the ballot. Yonit and Jonathan break down the unfolding situations in both the UK and US and talk to one of France’s best known TV journalists, Ruth Elkrief about the dilemma Sunday’s vote poses for French Jews - and why she herself ‘came out’ as a Jew after October 7.

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With the Supreme Court delivering a landmark ruling that could spell the end of Benjamin Netanyahu's coalition, new polling shows who might take his place. Plus, as a leading Israel critic loses an election in New York, and Jews at a Los Angeles synagogue come under attack from Gaza protesters, Yonit and Jonathan talk to Van Jones - CNN commentator, former Obama official and one of Black America's leading voices. They discuss rising antisemitism, the rift between Jews and the progressive left and the future of the Black-Jewish relationship. Plus a mensch award from the north of Israel, and chutzpah nominees that stretch from the pinnacle of the US media to the English south coast.

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As rifts widen within Israel’s ruling coalition - and between Benjamin Netanyahu and both the White House and his own military, Yonit and Jonathan discuss whether the current government can hold together till the crucial deadline of July 28. And they talk to Rivka Ravitz, former chief of staff to an Israeli president and one of the ultra-orthodox community’s leading voices about the Haredi exemption from military service - and why the rest of Israel should accept it. Plus: an especially deserving pair of chutzpah and mensch award winners.

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The week began with a daring hostage rescue operation that brought four Israeli captives home, but the relief did not last long. Hezbollah rocket fire from the north is growing ever more intense, while Israel’s war cabinet saw the long-awaited exit of Benny Gantz and Gadi Eisenkot – and all while Benjamin Netanyahu and the Supreme Court remain on a collision course over the ultra-orthodox exemption from military service. Yonit and Jonathan break it all down with award-winning Haaretz military analyst Amos Harel. Plus: far right gains in Europe, street protests turn nasty in New York – and Hollywood stumbles over its founding Jewish fathers.

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With the war in Gaza now eight months old, fears turn to the possibility of an all-out confrontation in the north - against a Hezbollah force far mightier than Hamas. Plus: Yonit and Jonathan talk to the man behind Nas Daily, the YouTuber with an audience of 70 million - on why he now defines himself not as a Palestinian-Israeli but an Israeli-Palestinian. And a conversation on how the literary world is increasingly shutting the door on Israel - and anyone connected to it. All that, plus a repeat winner of our chutzpah award - and a hearteningly crowded field in the mensch category.

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In a week that saw international fury over an air strike on Rafah that led to the deaths of dozens of civilians - and which came just days after an order from The Hague for Israel to halt its operations in the city - Yonit and Jonathan talk to one of America’s foremost analysts of geopolitics and CNN host: Fareed Zakaria. How might this war end? Is Israel’s isolation becoming permanent? And what difference would a returned President Trump make? Plus: a new poll dismays opponents of Benjamin Netanyahu - and a conversation with veteran Australian newspaperman Michael Gawenda on his improbable Jewish journey.

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With the International Criminal Court considering arrest warrants declaring Benjamin Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant wanted on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity, Yonit and Jonathan talk to one of Israel’s foremost scholars of international law, Yuval Shany. Plus: heartbreaking new footage from October 7 adds to the pressure on the Israeli government to agree a ceasefire deal that would bring the hostages back home, why elections in Israel seem as distant as ever - and the mysterious death of a president.

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There’s a lot for Yonit and Jonathan to unpack this week, following two especially intense ceremonial days in Israel. They discuss a split-screen Independence Day, a pointed Memorial Day address - and the prime minister who was nowhere to be seen. Plus: what exactly is Benny Gantz doing in Benjamin Netanyahu’s government- and a highly charged week in the information war. And there’s a bumper crop of awards nominees: a singer, a comedian and a guitarist with an unlikely day job.

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As Joe Biden withholds a crucial arms shipment, Yonit and Jonathan discuss a new low in Israel’s relationship with its most important ally. They talk to Israel’s foremost Hamas watcher, Dr. Michael Milshtein, about Rafah, the ceasefire that never was and who - if anyone - will be able to claim victory when the fighting finally stops. Plus: Eurovision - and a chutzpah award winner who really needs to read more.

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In a week when the Gaza conflict seemed to be relocated to the lawns of America’s Ivy League campuses, Yonit and Jonathan talk to Columbia student Noa Fay and to Maya Ilany of Harvard - followed by a conversation with award-winning columnist Hadley Freeman about her new essay on October 7 and the left. Plus: an update on renewed efforts to broker a ceasefire deal and hostage release, and the perennial indecision of Benjamin Netanyahu.

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During the Passover break, another chance to hear one of our most forceful conversations - one that, in many ways, has only become more timely. Yonit and Jonathan talk to the entrepreneur, scholar and podcaster Professor Scott Galloway about the war that is waged not through bombs and rockets, but in the media, online - and especially on campus.

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In an episode recorded before Israel’s reported targeting of Iranian sites in the early hours of Friday morning, Yonit and Jonathan discuss the ongoing fallout from Iran’s attack on Israel six days earlier — assessing the arguments and dilemmas that have gripped Israel’s policymakers. Plus: a conversation about the future for Israelis and Palestinians when the current war in Gaza is finally over, with Israeli scholar and thinker Fania Oz-Salzberger and Palestinian writer and analyst Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib. And, of course, some thoughts for the seder table as Pesach, or Passover, approaches

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Yonit and Jonathan talk through an unprecedented night in which Iran launched a direct attack on Israeli territory for the first time - and in which a series of Arab nations joined the US, UK, France and Israel itself in protecting the country from a sustained Iranian drone and missile attack. How will - and how should - Benjamin Netanyahu respond? Is there a way to retaliate without triggering a wider regional war? And what are the implications for both Israel's battle against Hamas and its place in the Middle East?

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Israeli writer and satirist Etgar Keret and US broadcasting legend Ira Glass have been friends for two decades - but October 7 put that friendship under strain. They found themselves seeing the same events differently. Like Yonit and Jonathan, one was inside, the other outside. The four of them talk about that, about grief, friendship - and much else. Plus an update on the looming threat from Iran and the state of the war in Gaza — and there are some choice nominees for the chutzpah and mensch awards

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The war that began on October 7 is six months old: to mark the occasion, a special episode with three unique voices. Yonit and Jonathan hear from Israel's pre-eminent military analyst, Amos Harel, on the state of the conflict in Gaza - what's happened, what might come next and the prospects for a wider clash with Iran and Hizbullah. They speak with Rabbi Angela Buchdal of New York about how October 7 shook the Jewish diaspora, and how Judaism might serve as a consolation in these dark days. And they hear from CNN's BIanna Golodryga about the hostages taken that day and the challenge of keeping global attention on their increasingly desperate fate. Plus: some award winners - and an unexpected moment of song.

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In a week when the US withheld its protective veto at the UN Security Council, leaving Israel isolated, Yonit and Jonathan discuss the deteriorating state of the US-Israel relationship - and what logic might be steering Benjamin Netanyahu to risk such a rupture with Washington. Plus: the looming battle over the ultra-orthodox and military service, and a farewell to two pioneers - one a groundbreaking economist, the other the Jewish vice president who never was.

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Two legends of American politics – the hosts of Hacks on Tap, David Axelrod and Mike Murphy - join Yonit and Jonathan for a podcast double date as they talk about the Biden-Netanyahu rift over arms and aid, why Chuck Schumer might have accidentally helped rather than hurt the Israeli prime minister – and how Donald Trump could be the beneficiary. Plus: Purim, a landmark court decision and why 007 might soon be a Jewish number.

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In an exclusive interview, Zone of Interest executive producer Danny Cohen tells Yonit and Jonathan why he believes the film’s director Jonathan Glazer got his Oscars speech so badly wrong. Plus: an update on the war, aid and the widening rift between Joe Biden and Benjamin Netanyahu - and a conversation with Rachel Cockerell, author of an acclaimed new book about a long forgotten alternative Zion, deep in the heart of Texas.

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Yossi Cohen is the former head of the Mossad, a former national security adviser to Benjamin Netanyahu - and often talked about as a future prime minister of Israel. In a rare interview in English, he tells Yonit and Jonathan how he sees the intelligence failures that led to 7 October, his thoughts on the nature of responsibility and on the case for a Palestinian state - and how he is contemplating an entry into politics. Plus: the denialism that surrounds Hamas and sexual violence - and ceasefire talks as the clock ticks down to Ramadan.

Some listeners may find some descriptions of the violence of 7 October distressing.

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Five months after 7 October, and with talk of an imminent hostage deal receding thanks to deadly events on the ground in Gaza, Yonit and Jonathan take stock of what the war has done to life in Israel - and to Jews in the diaspora. They’re joined by writer and comedian David Baddiel as his landmark book, Jews Don’t Count, is published in Hebrew and ask if the attitudes he laid bare when the book was first published have changed - or only hardened.

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Not a brand new episode this week - instead, another chance to hear one of the most impactful episodes we’ve ever aired. Back in November, as tensions emerged between Israeli and diaspora views of the war, Yonit and Jonathan had a frank, heartfelt conversation about they saw things, one month after 7 October. 

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It's become rare to hear Israelis and Palestinians in conversation with each other during these last, painful months. Yonit and Jonathan bring together Israeli former intelligence analyst Dr Michael Milshtein and the Palestinian activist and commentator Samer Sinijlawi for a candid discussion of what happens to Gaza and Israel 'the day after' - and ask if that day is ever coming. Plus: Benjamin Netanyahu resists pressure from inside and out to agree a hostage deal - while his son Yair picks up a coveted award.

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As talks aimed at a release of hostages and a pause in fighting grind on, Yonit and Jonathan look at what both Israel and Hamas stand to gain - and lose - from any deal. And they take a fresh round of listener questions that have come in from all over the world - on Gaza the day after, new leadership in Israel and how Jews and Israelis who disagree can keep talking. Plus: Australian chutzpah and a French mensch.

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As hopes rise and fall of a breakthrough that would bring the release of Israeli hostages held by Hamas and a pause in fighting in Gaza, Yonit and Jonathan speak to Zohar Palti, former head of the Mossad intelligence directorate about how the key decisions are being made - and whether those in charge are getting it right. Plus: UNRWA, the meaning of the ICJ’s decision and is the Israeli far right serious about resettling Gaza?

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*Zohar Palti is an Andrew Viterbi fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy

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More grim landmarks in the war between Israel and Hamas - as all eyes turn to The Hague for the first pronouncement of the International Court of Justice on Israel’s conduct of its operations in Gaza. Plus: Yonit and Jonathan discuss the increasing tension between Benjamin Netanyahu and Joe Biden - and a Holocaust Memorial Day like no other. Finally, stiff competition for this week’s chutzpah and mensch awards - and we discover a new name for at least one of our co-hosts.

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The war between Israel and Hamas is not fought out only through bombs and rockets - it’s also waged in the media, on campus, online, and even in the corporate world. Few have a better grasp of where those worlds meet than Profesor Scott Galloway. Yonit and Jonathan ask him if we’re witnessing a permanent shift in the perception of brand Israel - and hear how his own stand has cost him dear. Plus: the battle to bring Israel’s hostages home gets ever more political - and Jonathan braves the snows of New Hampshire.

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As the war reaches an important milestone, Israel faces a legal challenge in the International Court of Justice in the Hague: Yonit and Jonathan go into that full throttle, and are then joined by the world's leading authority on the morality of war, philosopher Michael Walzer. Plus: why Israel's politicians chose to announce the war had "shifted a stage" in English rather than Hebrew, and a serial winner of Unholy's chutzpah award comes back to claim yet another trophy.

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The new year began ominously, with rockets in Israel, an assassination in Beirut and talk of a widening of the war. Yonit and Jonathan discuss all that - along with this year's US presidential election and the changing face of the Democratic party - with former White House press secretary and MSNBC host Jen Psaki. Plus: the results of an exclusive Unholy/Morning Consult poll of US attitudes to Israel and Hamas; Israel's Supreme Court makes a landmark decision; and the new film that wins coveted Unholy awards in both the mensch and chutzpah categories.

UPDATE: Since this episode was recorded, Warner Bros has amended its online synopsis of the movie One Life so that it now refers to the "predominantly Jewish children" rescued by Sir Nicholas Winton.

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Yonit and Jonathan look back on a turbulent year - which shook Israel and the Jewish world - catch up on an eventful week, and speak with the woman who has become one of the most prominent faces and voices of the hostage families: Rachel Goldberg-Polin, the US-born mother of 23 year old Hersh, captured by Hamas at the Nova music festival on 7 October and held in Gaza ever since.

Jonathan Freedland's Latest Guardian Column: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/dec/22/jonathan-freedland-hope-2024.

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Pressure on the Israeli government is mounting from within and without. As the international community debates exactly what kind of ceasefire it demands of Israel, many of the hostage families urge an immediate pause to bring their loved ones home - a plea that gained new intensity after the mistaken killing by the IDF of three fleeing hostages in Gaza. Yonit and Jonathan discuss all that, together with a new poll which suggests Israeli public opinion is hardening on a range of issues - including disenchantment with Benjamin Netanyahu. Plus: a nod to actor, writer and polymath Stephen Fry, who this week took a stand that caught many by surprise.

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With American pressure on Israel mounting, Yonit speaks exclusively to US national security adviser Jake Sullivan about just how long Washington will give Israel in its fight against Hamas. Plus: Jonathan and Yonit talk to the leading political scientist Yascha Mounk about the trap of identity politics - and what exactly is going on in America’s universities.

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Two months on from the 7 October massacre, Yonit and Jonathan assess the state of the nation with one of Israel’s sagest voices: the longtime investigative TV journalist Ilana Dayan. Also: the politics that never stop and the three Ivy League college heads who flunked their big test. 

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After a week of intense emotion - a rollercoaster road combining relief, joy, anxiety, and dread for the families of Israelis held hostage by Hamas - Yonit and Jonathan discuss where this leaves a war that threatens to restart at any moment.

Plus a conversation with Michael Milshtein, Israel’s foremost expert on Hamas - with a series of shocking insights into Yahya Sinwar, mastermind of the 7 October massacre and the man they call “the Butcher”.

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As the clock ticked down to an expected release of Israeli hostages held by Hamas in Gaza, Yonit and Jonathan sat down face to face in Tel Aviv, to discuss the background to the move - and what the consequences might be. Plus, Jonathan describes his week traveling around Israel, from the stricken kibbutzim in the south to the new, temporary homes for displaced residents by the Dead Sea, finding a country where the trauma of 7 October is ongoing.

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An update on the war from the doyen of Israel’s military correspondents, Amos Harel – and, in the week of perhaps the largest pro-Israel demonstration in US history, Yonit and Jonathan talk to Dan Senor, the former Pentagon official who was the first to describe Israel as the “start-up nation” and whose new book, The Genius of Israel, argues that the country is almost uniquely resilient.

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As the conflict between Israel and Hamas enters its fifth week, there’s an increasing focus on a radically new front: the information war fought out on social media. Yonit and Jonathan talk to Kara Swisher, widely regarded as the most influential tech journalist in the world. What role is TikTok playing – and is it the algorithm or the likes of Tehran, Moscow and Beijing that is shaping what hundreds of millions see? Plus: does international pressure mean the clock is ticking on Israel’s military operation to eradicate Hamas as a fighting force?

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The war has been a period of grief and anxiety, but also of strain and stress felt around every Jewish table, inside Israel and out. For this special episode, exactly one month after the 7 October attacks, Yonit and Jonathan decided they should talk through some of the tensions that have surfaced in their own conversations, teasing out some of the differences between them and bringing those differences into the open. The aim was a conversation between two people - one in Israel, one in the Jewish diaspora - that would be raw and candid, true and heartfelt... but also, perhaps, a little cathartic.

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The war intensifies with Israel’s ground incursion into Gaza, a Palestinian death toll now estimated to be above 8,000 and still no word on the 240 Israeli hostages held by Hamas. Yonit and Jonathan discuss Benjamin Netanyahu’s tweeted – and then deleted - attempt to divert the blame for Israel’s vulnerability on 7 October to others, the increasing US pressure on Israel over its conduct of the war and the phenomenal volunteer movement that has reshaped Israeli civil society in a matter of weeks. Plus: they talk to Muli Segev, the man behind Eretz Nehederet, the acclaimed TV satire show which has become essential viewing for Israelis, even at a time of war – and to award-winning historian Simon Sebag Montefiore, on why “decolonisation” theory gets the Israel-Palestine conflict so badly wrong.

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Three weeks into Israel's war against Hamas, Yonit and Jonathan talk to Shimrit Meir, a former adviser to Naftali Bennett, about the next steps in the conflict - and the international players making crucial moves behind the scenes, starting with Hamas's patron, Qatar. They ask her how Benjamin Netanyahu will respond to mounting global pressure to alleviate the humanitarian crisis in Gaza - and rising domestic pressure to free the hostages held by Hamas. Plus: with antisemitism surging across the world, is anywhere truly safe for Jewish life?

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Joe Biden becomes the first US president to visit Israel at a time of war, the world’s media blame Israel for a deadly Gaza hospital blast that, most experts now agree, was most likely caused by a Palestinian Islamic Jihad rocket - and Yonit and Jonathan hear the moving, probing comments and questions sent in by you, Unholy’s listeners.

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After perhaps the hardest week in Israel’s history, Yonit and Jonathan discuss the mood inside the country, in the wider Jewish world and beyond. They talk through the implications of the new unity government and its planned response to last weekend’s Hamas massacres of 1200 Israeli civilians; the shoulder-to-shoulder solidarity of US President Joe Biden; and the first arguments about who is to blame for what was a catastrophic failure by Israel’s intelligence and political leadership. 

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This is an emergency episode to cover the event that’s already being described as Israel’s 9/11 - with others drawing comparisons with Pearl Harbor or the surprise attack that led to the Yom Kippur War exactly 50 years ago. Early on Saturday morning, Israel was infiltrated by Hamas forces who entered Israel from Gaza - murdering Israeli civilians and soldiers in their hundreds, wounding thousands and seizing many as hostages. As the IDF launches an intensive operation within Gaza, Yonit and Jonathan assess what’s known from the first 36 hours - and where things might go next.

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An incident of ultra Orthodox Jews spitting at Christian worshippers in Jerusalem drew widespread backlash this week, both from Israeli officials and foreign countries. Yonit and Jonathan discuss the event - which is not the first of its kind - and the varying comments that followed, including those who claimed spitting at Christians is a “Jewish tradition”. 

And - as the calendar marks 50 years since the Yom Kippur War, Yonit and Jonathan are joined by Professor Yuval Neria, decorated fighter turned psychology researcher, to discuss the impact of the traumatic event on the Israeli psyche - and his own experiences from battle. 

Plus, the mensch-winning matzo ball soup found in an unexpected location in Europe.

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As a new documentary probes the dark side of rock star Roger Waters, Yonit and Jonathan - who, in an Unholy first, are this week both in London - talk to the longtime investigative reporter behind the film: John Ware. Plus: the fallout from the Yom Kippur skirmishes, which saw tension between religious and secular Israelis spill over onto the streets; a jaw-dropping moment in the Canadian parliament - and a tale of two dogs that will melt even the hardest heart.

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This week brought the strongest signal yet that a breakthrough in Saudi-Israeli relations is coming - with heavy hints from Benjamin Netanyahu, Mohammed bin Salman and Joe Biden. Yonit and Jonathan break it all down - and point to the man who’s likely to be the big winner. 

Plus: a conversation with American TV royalty, veteran CBS News correspondent, Lesley Stahl on covering Israel, the challenge of social media and the rise of the octogenarian in US media - and politics. 

And in this new year season, two very different styles of festive greeting win our chutzpah and mensch awards.

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It's the Jewish New Year -- and Yonit and Jonathan are joined by New Yorker editor and longtime friend of the podcast, David Remnick, to reflect on the year just gone and look forward to the year ahead. They discuss the Israeli Supreme Court's marathon session debating the first step in Benjamin Netanyahu's judicial overhaul, the looming possibility of a second Donald Trump presidency - and the day David met the most Jewish artist of the last century. Plus some special awards, including for the biggest act of chutzpah of the entire year.

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Yonit and Jonathan are back from the summer break - and there is A LOT to talk about. Word of a possible climbdown by Benjamin Netanyahu on the judicial overhaul, an attempt to force out the head of Israel’s Holocaust museum - and a massive scientific breakthrough from Israel's Weizmann Institute: senior researcher Prof Jacob (Yaqub) Hanna tells us how it happened and what it could mean for the human future. Plus: jaw dropping winners of our chutzpah and mensch awards and - of course - You’re So Not Invited to My Bat Mitzva.

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Only a week until Unholy returns to regular broadcasting - which means one more edition of Conversations We Love, a series in which we return to some of our prized talks. And what better way to end summer vacation than with pioneering radio host Ira Glass, creator of the 800-episode "This American Life". In this special interview, Glass reflects on his career - from a Pulitzer, through being dubbed 'the godfather of podcasting' and to the disappointment of his Jewish parents when he let them know he wasn't going to be a doctor. 

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It won't be long until we return to our regular broadcasting, but while we take advantage of the last days of summer break (as we hope you've been able to do, preferably with something refreshing in hand) - we've chosen to air one of our most special interviews to date. 

This July, we were lucky enough to sit down with non other than Oscar winner Dame Helen Mirren, who visited Israel to promote her new film, Golda, in which she portrays the female Israeli prime minister during the Yom Kippur War. Listen to learn how Mirren got in character, how she deals with ageism in Hollywood, plus - why she'd join the protestors against the judicial overhaul. 

“Golda” opens in theaters on August 25.

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We're still away on vacation mode, but that doesn't mean we can't serve up our weekly cocktail of Jews and news. That's why we've compiled a list of some of our favorite episodes, to listen to on a long ride up north or through earphones while taking off somewhere. 

This week our guest is also one of our hosts, who doubles as a celebrated author! Since this episode was first uploaded, "The Escape Artist" by Jonathan Freedland has peaked bestseller lists and sold numerous copies. Catch up on Yonit interviewing him on the fascinating story of the man who escaped Auschwitz to tell the horrors to the world.

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Whether you choose to survive the heatwave on the beach or in the comfort of the AC, we're here to serve something refreshing! While we're on summer break, we've compiled some of our most prized conversations for those who haven't had a chance to listen to them yet - or want to recall their memory!

And what better way to spend a blistering summer Friday by pouring yourself something cold, and listening to the intriguing takeaways of acclaimmed "Uvda" anchor Ilana Dayan, on the judicial revolution that has already become a piece of Israeli history. 

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A Pittsburgh jury has passed a death sentence on the perpetrator of the most lethal antisemitic attack in US history: the murder of 11 Jews while at prayer at the Tree of Life synagogue in October 2018. Yonit and Jonathan asks how that fits with a Jewish tradition that harbours deep ambivalence about the legitimacy of capital punishment. 

In Israel, all eyes turn towards a court case that’s just over a month away — as the Supreme Court decides whether the first step in Benjamin Netanyahu’s judicial overhaul is allowed under Israel’s unwritten and unsettled constitution. Protests continue, some Likud backbenchers rebel - but could a breakthrough with Saudi Arabia change everything?

And - it's a Barbie world, we're just living in it: a special guest tells us about the movie sensation of the summer: Mattel CEO Ynon Kreiz reflects on being an Israeli in a US boardroom - and whether Barbie’s Jewish inventor was creating a role model whose driving ambition was assimilation.

Plus: chutzpah and mensch nominees that stretch from Tokyo to Mar-a-Lago

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A tempestuous week in Israel, as the fallout from Monday’s first move in what critics call the “judicial coup” continues. What will Benjamin Netanyahu and his ministers do, now that the Supreme Court has less power to restrain them? The first signs suggest the prime minister and his coalition allies have big ambitions - and plan to move fast. Yonit and Jonathan dive into it all, joined by Channel 12 diplomatic and political analyst Dana Weiss.

Plus there’s chutzpah on display at Fox News (not a first) and a mensch to be found in the world’s oldest rock group.

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Israel's judicial overhaul has cleared its first parliamentary hurdle: one key measure is now the law of the land. Where does that leave the protesters who have filled the streets, the government of Benjamin Netanyahu and Israel's relationship with a watching world? Yonit and Jonathan unpack an incendiary 24 hours.

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The moment of truth has come: protesters on the streets and in the upper reaches of the Israeli military press their case against what they call Benjamin Netanyahu's judicial coup, days before a key legislation is set. Meanwhile, Joe Biden uses an interview with award-winning New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman to send a message to Netanyahu: stop. In a candid, sometimes emotional conversation, Tom tells Yonit and Jonathan why he believes the stakes could not be higher.

Plus: a chutzpah award to the scion of America's most famous political dynasty, and a mensch to that of a journalism dynasty.

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Protests on the streets, disruption at the airport: it’s crunch time in the showdown between Benjamin Netanyahu and opponents of what they call his “judicial coup.” Yonit and Jonathan ask if Israel’s PM is so determined to strip the court of one of its key powers before a July 31 deadline, he’s ready to risk a revolt among the Israeli military elite. 

Meanwhile the rift between Israel and its most powerful ally is widening — as Washington signals its alarm at the right wing thrust of the Netanyahu government. How serious is the latest wave of US-Israeli tension?

Plus: an in-depth conversation with a true star of stage and screen. Dame Helen Mirren tells Jonathan and Yonit about the secret trials of Golda Meir, the challenge of playing an Israeli icon, why she stands with Israel - and with those protesting in the streets of Tel Aviv. 

*The interview was conducted before the start of the strike by the Screen Actors Guild.

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Two decades after the Battle of Jenin, this week saw a fresh – and very different – military offensive in the city, one that lasted just 48 hours and won much praise in Israel but a mixed response from the watching world. Yonit and Jonathan discuss all that, plus a kidnapping in Iraq and another eruption of spontaneous street protests – sparked by the sacking of a police chief – as the government of Benjamin Netanyahu presses ahead with its overhaul of the judicial system, denounced by its critics as a coup.

And - we're joined by one of America’s most admired journalists, Face The Nation anchor and CBS News’ chief foreign affairs correspondent, Margaret Brennan, to talk Biden and Netanyahu, the US and China, Israel and Saudi Arabia – and the one interview that left Netanyahu speechless. 

Plus: a Haredi win for mensch, and a chutzpah worth millions.

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What happens in Israel rarely stays in Israel. Settler violence in the West Bank spreads, bringing a dramatic condemnation from Israel's top military brass - and from a leading barometer of international opinion. Meanwhile, the courtroom drama of Benjamin Netanyahu's corruption trial comes to a new stage in Brighton, England - whilst the PM vows to continue his plan for an overhaul of the Israeli judiciary, even as he sends mixed signals via a US newspaper.

Yonit and Jonathan unpack the week’s political drama -- and discuss a disturbing regional election result from eastern Germany, where the far-right AFD party won big, sending shivers old and new down the collective spine of Jews the world over.

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A daytime gunfight in Jenin, a deadly terror attack that left four dead and an outbreak of settler violence - this week has put the spotlight back on the West Bank. As Israel considers further action to bring calm, domestic politics are never far away - including the government’s plan to transform the judiciary. Yonit and Jonathan discuss the security situation and Benjamin Netanyahu’s renewed pledge to move ahead with the reform.

Plus: a special conversation with theater legend Sir Nicholas Hytner, the award-winning director behind some of the most successful shows in stage history. The Tony Award winner shares insights from a decades-long career - and explains why the Broadway musical is an intensely Jewish art form. 

And we have a chutzpah award to make the jaw drop - along with a mensch award to a university that took its time. 

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A conversation with a seasoned watcher of Netanyahu - not of the prime minister of Israel, but of his son Yair: Yonit and Jonathan talk to Chaim Levinson of Haaretz, about the young prince with the ear of the king. Plus the latest on the judicial overhaul causing drama in Knesset, notes on the populist trio of Trump, Johnson and Berlusconi, and our traditional mensch and chutzpah awards - being shipped this week to both London and Christian County, Missouri.

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A conversation with Anne Applebaum, Pulitzer prize winning journalist and one of the world's sagest voices on Ukraine, Eastern Europe and the twilight of democracy: are there lessons for Israel from Poland and Hungary? Plus: how the Israeli military sits at the centre of the country's culture wars, after Israeli far right commentators suggested the deaths of three IDF soldiers are to be blamed on mixed-sex combat units. And there's chutzpah in cable news and a mensch (or 11) on the football pitch.

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Unfavorable polls, Biden administration woes and continued public protest are only a hint of the issues piled on the desk of the coalition. But with the deadline for forming the Judicial Selection Committee approaching, Netanyahu and his partners will really be put to the test on their intentions for Levin’s overhaul. Suleiman Maswadeh, diplomatic and political correspondent for the Israeli Public Broadcaster Kan News, weighs in with his thoughts on the government’s status, and the ongoing negotiations with the Saudis. Plus, Maswadeh shares his experiences as Palestinian journalist covering his childhood home of Eastern Jerusalem and discusses being targeted by both right-wing Jews and fellow Arabs. 

And - impressions from a very special Shabbat dinner, the Israeli-Italian spy ordeal that’s been making headlines and a farewell from a beloved Jewish show. 

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Happy yearly celebration of dairy - for those celebrating! While we mark the harvest holiday of Shavuot on the Jewish calendar, we're reminding you listeners of one of our favorite and most intriguing interviews as of late - with Israeli literary genius Etgar Keret.

Listen back as Etgar talks about defending democracy, gives a sneak peak into his world of storytelling and shares heartening tales of his late mother. So grab your cheese-centered dish (or cheese substitute, we accept both) and tune in - we'll be back next week!

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A week into the ceasefire in Gaza, nationalist activists march on the streets of Jerusalem in the controversial Flag Day annual parade, sparking conflict with Arab residents of the city. Yonit and Jonathan discuss that and all the latest political turmoil.

And - an interview with leading investor Michael Eisenberg on why the best way to integrate ultra-orthodox Jews into Israeli society is to hand them less public money. 

Plus: the rare marine animal that’s been driving Israelis wild, and a Marvel-ous act of chutzpah.

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“Shield and Arrow” - that’s the name of the operation initiated this week by the IDF in the Gaza Strip, beginning with airstrikes on Islamic Jihad generals, and developing into extensive missile attacks on Israel. Yonit and Jonathan give an update on the current violence and negotiations for a ceasefire.

Plus, we are joined by Axios scoop machine Barak Ravid, to discuss the prospects of a Saudi-Israeli peace accord, the departing of the US ambassador to Israel and his new book, “Trump’s Peace”: an insider account of the making of the Abraham Accords. 

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Gold coaches, historic royal attire and controversial crown jewels - preparations for the coronation of King Charles have Londoners exhilarated, including our British co-host, a notable monarchy fan (just kidding, of course). As the ceremony approaches, a discussion on the King's unique relationship with Jews.

And, speaking of British Jews, Yonit and Jonathan are lucky to be joined by arguably the most valued novelist of the lot - Howard Jacobson. The acclaimed author talks about his new bestseller, plus how he defends Israel's image and why he can't escape the use of Judaism in his works.

Lastly, what way of celebrating May the Fourth is more acceptable than bestowing an award upon a robot?
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With barbecues, the annual Air Force flybys and other festivities - Israel celebrated its 75th birthday, but not without a noticeable rift in the nation, as well. Yonit and Jonathan talk recent updates as the status of the judicial overhaul remains unclear, and revisit Netanyahu's foreign press campaign.

And, we are joined by Semafor and BuzzFeed co-founder, Ben Smith, to discuss the seismic sacking of Fox News' controversial host Tucker Carlson, and whether the abrupt dismissal indicates even Murdoch’s network felt its biggest star was becoming a liability. 

Plus, a homage to the 17-year-old who moved Israelis to tears at the annual torch lighting ceremony. 

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In truly Israeli fashion, much has happened in the two weeks of Passover - and we've returned to try and make sense of it all!

Following the holidays, Israel is deep into its season of commemoration - after this week’s Holocaust Remembrance, next week sees Memorial Day and Independence Day marking the 75th anniversary of the birth of the state. Yonit and Jonathan assess the outlook of these two occasions under the shadow of the protests - and bid farewell to two creative giants who greatly contributed to Israeli culture, with a post-mortem mensch award. 

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Only a week until we resume our regular programming - and trust us, there's a LOT to talk about. But in the meantime - to conclude Passover break - we're airing yet another of our favorite talks from this season. 

This Friday - we're sending listeners back to Yonit and Jonathan's talk with the greatly influential literary giant, Malcolm Gladwell, to discuss how he popularized non-fiction, why social media damages the way we interpret reality, and that time a wedding toast ruined a friendship of his. 

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Hag Semach, listeners! Following weeks of reporting on political turmoil in Israel, we're going into Passover break with reruns of our favorite conversations as of late: starting with a fascinating chat with MSNBC anchor Rachel Maddow. Tune in (again) as Rachel talks about her hit podcast, "Ultra", on an all-but-forgotten Nazi scheme to overthrow the American government, plus her take on social media as a platform for extremism. 

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For Unholy's 100th episode, a very special guest indeed: Yonit and Jonathan talk with one of the world's foremost thinkers and writers, Yuval Noah Harari. Usually preoccupied with the climate emergency and the rise of AI, right now Harari is focused on his own country - because, he says, "the house is on fire." A wide-ranging, heartfelt conversation about Israel, the protests against the judicial overhaul - and Harari's  fear that democracy could give way to dictatorship. Plus a look back at two favourite Unholy moments from the last 100 episodes. 

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After 24 hours of stunning drama in Israel, a special update from Yonit and Jonathan. Join them as they unpack the chaotic timeline - Sunday night's spontaneous eruption of mass protests around the country following the sacking of the defence minister, the general strike by trade unions and bosses and Monday's eventual offer of a "timeout" on the judicial overhaul from Benjamin Netanyahu - and try to determine: was this a climbdown by the prime minister or a chance for him to regroup and weaken the opposition? 

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As protests continue and contrasting opinions over the judicial reform surface from within the coalition, it seemed this week the prime minister himself was almost on the brink of backing down. Yonit and Jonathan talk with lead journalist and "Uvda" host Ilana Dayan on how this ends - and, on her decision to speak up against the overhaul. Plus, a literary giant takes the mensch award and two veterans battle for the chutzpah prize.

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As protests continue against the Netanyahu government’s overhaul of the judicial system, the prospect of compromise is receding. Yonit and Jonathan discuss the fallout of the ruling coalition’s rejection of President Herzog’s proposed alternative — amid warning signs that Israel's enemies are taking advantage of what they perceive as a moment of weakness.

Plus a conversation with Dave Rich, author of "Everyday Hate", on modern antisemitism  - and how everyone from Kanye to a hit Broadway show draw on ideas about Jews that have endured for centuries.

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The protests against the judicial reform in Israel escalate as demonstators rally nationally in a day of resistance, while the attempts to negotiate a compromise seem to falter. Plus, a homage to world-renowned actor Chaim Topol, iconic 'Tevye' of film and stage, who passed away this week.

And - what better way to celebrate Purim than with someone whose job is to make people laugh? Yonit and Jonathan are joined by MODI, the Israeli-American comedian headlining shows all around the world, to talk about various Jewish audiences, sexual identity, and the theory of "Messiah Energy".
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A morning of stun grenades and police horses at a protest, followed by an evening of a siege on a hair salon in central Tel Aviv? Just another regular day in Israel, apparently - which has also been facing an increasing security threat in the West Bank. Major General (ret.) Amos Yadlin gives his take to Yonit and Jonathan on the  tensions with the Palestinians, plus why he thinks that when it comes to politics, the military shouldn't be involved. And - as usual - a mini award ceremony with worthy victors in our chutzpah and mensch categories. 

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Two guests, two perspectives - Yonit and Jonathan talk to two Israelis with sharply conflicting views of the current state of their country. Legal activist Yonatan Green is a staunch advocate of the judicial overhaul - while New Yorker writer Ruth Margalit has profiled the hard right nationalist Itamar Ben-Gvir, who she calls the Minister of Chaos. Plus - the government that keeps supplying us with undisputed chutzpahs.

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You asked - and we answered. Yonit and Jonathan give their take on listeners’ questions on Benjamin Netanyahu’s “judicial reform” plan and its political repercussions, chat about the Super Bowl ad that portends a new future for American Jews - and delight in two examples of truly jaw dropping chutzpah.

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The battle for Israeli democracy, to quote the opponents of Benjamin Netanyahu's "judicial reform" plan, moved to a new front this week - with an effort to enlist the Jewish diaspora into the protest movement. Yonit and Jonathan speak to writer and journalist Matti Friedman about his "Open Letter to Israel's Friends". Plus an update on the earthquakes that shook the Middle East and a chutzpah award to a woman in (British) politics and to the absence of women in (Israeli) politics.

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A letter signed by top Israeli economists, warning against the financial implications of the judicial reform, featured the name of one of the country's only Nobel Prize winners - world-renowned professor Daniel Kahneman, pioneer of behavioral economics. This week, he joins our hosts to discuss the responses to his description of the reform as "the worst threat to Israel's existence to date", and what combination of pressure he thinks could really affect the lawmakers.

Plus - the maven of tidiness who surrendered to a mess that can only be brought on by three kids, and the Hebrew quote that German television viewers learned this week from a friend of the podcast. 

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In the week of Holocaust remembrance, Yonit and Jonathan talk to one of the country’s finest, funniest writers, Etgar Keret - to reflect on his late mother, a survivor of the Shoah who never wanted that label, and give his take on the political turmoil. Plus, classic chutzpah and mensch awards – and a look at the gap between what Brits say and what they actually mean (also known as: the guide to understanding your British co-host).

Special thanks to Ira Glass and the team of "This American Life" for their assistance in the making of this episode. 

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Israel's constitutional crisis deepens. As the country's Supreme Court tells Binyamin Netanyahu to fire one of his most senior ministers, we hear from one of Israel's leading jurists, Professor Michael Karayanni of the Hebrew University - about how he - and his fellow Arab citizens of Israel - see the stand-off between the judges and the government. Plus: Mel Brooks, the girls who defied their rabbis - and a chutzpah award to a top British politician.

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The judicial reform announced last week in Israel sparked a protest this week - as it continues to draw international attention. Yonit and Jonathan are joined by three-time Pulitzer winner, Thomas Friedman of the New York Times, to discuss US reception to the law revolution, why he eulogized the Israel he once knew, and what peace prospects might come out of the new government. 

And on a lighter note - a certain author wonders about the sales of a ghost-written royal memoir and we ask ourselves: what things - or people - seem Jewish, but aren’t? 

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It's been one week since Netanyahu began his sixth stint in office - but boy, has it been a heck of a week, one our hosts are here to unpack. Ben Gvir's ascent to the Temple Mount already had international attention leveled towards the new coalition in Israel, only to have it shift to the government's judicial reform - labeled by some as a constitutional revolution and conveniently announced the day before a crucial Supreme Court discussion. Plus, we talk comic books, rom-coms and public transport.

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Benjamin Netanyahu returned to his old office this morning, taking his place as Israel's prime minister - again - with the formation of his sixth government. Following several weeks of negotiations, Netanyahu's coalition - comprised of right-wing allies - was sworn in yesterday, kicking off Israel's most conservative leadership yet. In the hours leading to the ceremony, Netanyahu handed Likud members their respective occupations, including appointing an openly-gay MK as Speaker of the Knesset - against far-right allies in the government calling to limit LGBT rights. Now, the public looks to the new government to see which of the clauses in the coalition agreements will effectively be applied - with some sections regarding discrimination causing controversy and protests both locally and internationally.

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If you’re a regular podcast listener, chances are you’ve heard of Rachel Maddow’s Ultra, the chart-topping podcast that takes the audience back to the 1940s, when the Nazi regime managed to infiltrate the top branches of the U.S. government. This week, we’re delighted to be joined by Maddow herself, to discuss how she uncovered this largely forgotten threat to American democracy and the parallels to what we’re witnessing today. Plus, we discuss Kanye West and Elon Musk.

And - Happy Hanukkah to those celebrating! It doesn’t matter whether you prefer donuts or latkes - this week’s batch of Chutzpah and Mensch awards are served quite hot, even accompanied by a royal cup of tea.

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What do British people bring up in a conversation when they need to change the subject? The weather, of course. The rare occurrence of heavy snowfall this week provided not only a means of alternate topic for our co-host’s nation - but rather headlined UK news, with many unable to afford to heat their home due to the soaring prices caused by Europe’s energy crisis.

Israel, on the other hand, has been enjoying a rather warm December, but it seems the excitement from last month’s election night has cooled down, with negotiations taking a little longer than expected. Netanyahu and his partners need to get through a few more legislation rounds and coalition agreements before they can form a government - moves which are already creating friction. We are joined by Eli Paley, publisher of the Haredi Mishpaca magazine, to discuss one of the most debated issues this week - the potential deal with Yahadut HaTorah, which includes a clause banning electricity production on Shabbat - and what the backlash has to do with the integration of Haredim in Israeli society over the next few years. 

Plus, the FBI’s data on antisemitism showed a decline in antisemitic cases in the US - which is pretty great, until you realize they didn't take into account the two largest Jewish epicenters in the US. 

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President Herzog is expected to grant Prime Minister-delegate Netanyahu a two week extension to tie things up with his coalition partners - but the agreements reached until now between said parties have already been a source of much dispute. From giving the authority of the Civil Administration in the West Bank to Smotrich, to supplying extremist Avi Maoz with access to the Ministry of Education, the Likud has complied to a list of demands that may be the key to keeping everyone happy - but are also potentially flammable. Yonit and Jonathan analyze the understandings made already, and their controversial outcomes.

And while in Israel there are people engaged with forming a government, a group in Germany tried to take down its own. A self-styled prince and an ex-judge were among those arrested in a large raid this week for a bizarre coup plot, borned from the far-right Reichsburger scene, a movement that seeks to return Germany to the system of the second Reich - and has not shied away from antisemitism. We’re joined by Bild correspondent Antonia Yamin to discuss the threat of violence and the potential return of Germany’s darker days.  

Plus, all about an author tweeting this week about having two people show at her book - and gaining responses from best-selling novelists who shared that even their literary events weren’t always met with a large turnout. 

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Tel Aviv had to forfeit a crown yesterday - one it wasn’t quite proud of - after this year’s ranking of the most expensive cities in the world moved it from the top spot to third place. But anyone living in the Israeli financial capital can tell you that that cost of living hasn’t gotten any cheaper - it’s just that two other cities became significantly more expensive.

And while Tel Aviv was dethroned, there’s someone who has yet to resume his place at the top - prime-minister delegate Netanyahu, who has yet to accomplish forming a government. Although Bibi still hasn’t addressed the Israeli public, he gave an interview to Bari Weiss this week - with a few headlines. Yonit and Jonathan discuss the highlights - including what’s behind Netanyahu’s claim his government won’t be “ruled by Talmud”, and why calling Trump’s meeting with Kanye West and a Holocaust denier “a mistake” isn’t enough of a condemnation.

Plus, the lawsuit in France that determines - no, you really don’t have to be fun at work.

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Following yet another stall in the negotiations between designated PM Netanyahu and his presumptive partners, it seems the parties are slowly heading towards agreements on key issues. But while the important ministerial offices seem to be assigned, it may take some more time until all demands are settled - ranging from a judicial reform to new conversion laws. 

And interior matters aren’t the only ones on the upcoming government’s plate. The relationship with the Biden administration is likely to get off to a rocky start, with White House officials already expressing concern regarding members of Netanyahu’s coalition. We are joined by historian Eric Alterman, to discuss Israel-US ties and the future of American Jews, who appear to be steering left - while Israelis, for the most part - are turning to the right. 

Plus, is “Jew to Jew” a legitimate excuse to get out of something bad? Yonit and Jonathan discuss the matter of attempting to persuade reporters to let go of a story on the basis of shared religion. 

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In a time when Twitter is the main source of information for many people, Malcolm Gladwell remains on a near-celebrity status by doing the exact opposite: publishing lengthy, thought-provoking examinations of human behaviors and, most recently, historic events. His name is regularly etched in the New York Times best seller list, the podcast company he heads garners millions of listens, and theories from his books are often mentioned by politicians, academics and just regular readers. That includes our hosts, who are very honored to switch things up and have Gladwell on Unholy this week! 

The rockstar of American journalism (who is actually a UK-born Canadian), credited with the popularization of non-fiction, joins Yonit and Jonathan for a talk about, well, lots of things. How social media gave a platform to unhinged voices, which version of success complies with his Menonite upbringing, why humanity is actually more equipped to handle its problems than we think, and that one time he ruined a friendship over a song - tune in to hear all this, plus more anecdotes, impressions and even an analysis of ‘chutzpah’.

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Benjamin Netanyahu may have coasted into a clear victory in the fifth Israeli election round last week, but for Israel’s closest ally, the United States, the midterms have been startlingly close, with control of both chambers of Congress remaining up in the air as of this morning. And although Democrats have been breathing a sigh of relief after avoiding the sweeping midterm losses that were forecasted, Republicans could still be edging toward a narrow majority in the House of Representatives. This week, Jonathan joins us from DC, to detail his take-aways from a few weeks following the campaign, where he hopped from one key state to another, attended political rallies of former Presidents and even ushered in Shabbat at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh. 

In Israel, despite the aforementioned win on Netanyahu’s end, the road to forming a right-wing government isn’t exactly a smooth one, with demands from every faction of the bloc and a series of controversial statements from members of the Religious Zionist party. Yonit and Jonathan analyze the potential landmines of the apparent coalition, and the implications of the leftist parties’ downfall.

Plus - which fast food restaurant chain offered a bargain this week that left a bad taste?

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May three and a half years of political turmoil conclude with Israel’s fifth election - and the forming of the most right-wing government in its history? With the majority of the votes counted, Benjamin Netanyahu seems to be on a course for an even bigger victory than yesterday’s initial exit polls suggested, his bloc currently projected to win 65 seats in the Knesset. And with the leftist Meretz party laying below the election threshold, the other parties that form the current coalition are left wondering about the future of the Israeli left. In this special update, Yonit and Jonathan summarize up everything you need to know about Israeli politics at this point - and fill you in on what is expected to happen upon Bibi’s return to power.

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Elections are supposed to be a special occasion, but Israelis already know the drill. Wake up on a Tuesday, proceed to the ballots, drop their selected note into the box, turn on the television at 10PM - and, if things go as usual, learn yet again that there is no conclusive outcome due to another deadlock. But as the clock ticks by, the candidates are making their final attempt to garner more votes - even on behalf of other parties in their bloc. Yonit and Jonathan discuss last-minute mishaps amongst the parties, and the unlikely scenarios that could tip the scales come election night.

But while next week’s elections may result in an Israeli prime minister exchange- at least Downing 10 is no longer vacant. After its former resident resigned with a mere forty four days spent in office, and a cat became its most permanent resident, the official home of the British leader this week was entered by Rishi Sunak, the UK’s third prime minister in two months. 

Plus, whether you pronounce it Adi-das or A-didas, there’s no question if the sports retailer should have dropped Kanye West, adding to the list of affiliates who cut ties with the rapper after a series of antisemitic remarks. But while some attribute the rant to mental illness, it seems the intolerance in the US towards Jews may be more evident than ever.

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Israeli politics nearing the finish line - 11 days to go till the country’s fifth election in three and a half years. But, political turmoil, it appears, is not exclusively Israeli: as many ask if Yair Lapid’s tenure as Prime Minister can be the the shortest in Israeli history, the U.K. raises the stakes - and in a breathtakingly rapid fall from power, Prime Minister Liz Truss resigns after only 44 days in office. Yonit and Jonathan discuss the non-stop political news from London and Tel Aviv. 

A week after Kanye West was removed from social media due to antisemitic remarks he since has doubled down on, yet another high level personality banned from social media - former US President Donald Trump -  writes that American Jews “have to get their act together [...] before it is too late”, and despite the fallout between them in the past, former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu is there to defend him.  

Not one - but two Israeli politicians make our chutzpah award nominee list this week, and find out why Jonathan was compared to Mel Brooks!

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Eighteen days to Israeli elections – recent polls show the far right Legislator Itamar Ben Gvir gaining momentum, at the expense of Benjamin Netanyahu and the Likud party. We discuss the possible ramifications of Ben Gvir's ascension inside and outside Israel. And, on a lighter tone – Yonit is giving Jonathan a behind the scenes look at her preparations for the upcoming election night broadcast.

Israel and Lebanon are on the verge of signing a maritime border agreement, and now that the political dust has settled - what is actually in the deal, and what does each side set to gain and lose.

Our special guest this week is Ambassador Deborah Lipstadt, U.S. Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Antisemitism. She Joins Yonit and Jonathan for a conversation about ways to counter anti-Semitism - old and new, from the right and from the left, and shares her  thoughts about Kanye West's anti-Semitic outburst.

Finally, what country hits our chutzpah award list, and one courtroom in Connecticut that can restore your faith in the power of truth. 

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The holiday season is no excuse for the news cycle to stop turning, and boy - did it turn!

From the maritime talks between Israel and Lebanon that are causing a skirmish, through protests on the streets of Iran, to a new political autobiography on bookshop shelves - there’s a lot to catch up on, and luckily we’re here to fill you in. 

Our special guest this week is financial columnist for the New York Times, anchor for CNBC and Emmy award winner Andrew Ross Sorkin. He joins Yonit and Jonathan for a conversation about the global economic crisis and will it develop into a total crash in the markets, the sustainability of the high cost living in Israel and the U.K., and of course - Jewish mothers, because no guest on this podcast gets a waver from that question.

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These are days of reflectiveness, between the Jewish New Year - Rosh Hashanah, and the holiest day of the Jewish calendar- Yom Kippur. 

Yonit and Jonathan are joined by acclaimed author Nicole Krauss, for a discussion about Judaism that reverberates throughout her work, writing in the voice of a woman and a of a man, the place of Israel in her works and in her life, and what has changed in the literary world since she wrote her first novel at the age of 25. 

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Rosh Hashanah is right around the corner, and like almost every new Hebrew year lately, the upcoming one already has an Israeli election set in its calendar. The fifth round in three and a half years raises a lot of questions, the salient one being: will it be the last? That’s why we partnered up with The Center for Jewish Impact, to host a live event in which Yonit and Jonathan answer questions sent in by foreign diplomats and Jewish organizations from all around the world. 

Plus, we talk about the speech that made headlines even before it was even uttered in the UN general assembly, and the leader who just keeps ending up as the recipient of our Chutzpah award.

So, whether you’re ironing your white shirt or setting the dinner table for the holiday, we humbly suggest you let the sound of our special episode accompany you - and of course wish those celebrating a happy, and politically stable, new year. Shana Tova!

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While coverage of the Queen's death continues to dominate British news outlets, Yonit and Jonathan dive into the relationship between the Royal Family and the Jewish community - which may see the taking of a long-awaited step with a new king on the block. 

Also this week, we explain how the political aspect of applying the core curriculum to Haredi students in Israel coincides with a New York Times piece on the funds invested in Ultra Orthodox schools in Brooklyn.

And, as Europe nears a hard winter, Yonit and Jonathan are joined by one of the sharpest minds writing on climate change, David Wallace Wells, to discuss the impending and devastating dangers of our current trajectory but also underscore that we can still avert a total catastrophe.

Plus - our host / opinion columnist / author adds yet another title to his expanded resume - debuting a new play on the roots of antisemitism in Britain.

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For seven decades, Queen Elizabeth II was a symbol of stability not only in the commonwealth but on the world stage as well, helping to navigate her country through a series of shifts that rattled Britain in the twentieth and twenty first centuries, and placing the royal family as a fortress of reassurance in a time of upheaval.

Yonit and Jonathan speak about the end of an era in the UK - from the announcement from Buckingham Palace that every news outlet in Britain braced for - but dreaded having to bear - to the late Queen’s influence on her subjects and on modern history. 

Plus, Haaretz Military Correspondent Amos Harel joins our hosts to discuss the IDF’s investigation into the death of Palestinian journalist Shireeb Abu Akleh, and about whether it affects the relationship between Jerusalem and Washington. 

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August has come to an end, schools have reopened and Jonathan has landed safely from vacation - which means Unholy is back! If you chose to spend your summer break in Israel, you might have met two issues - the first being the high price tags, and the second the extensive construction all around. We also hope you weren’t too bothered by the political situation here - which took quite a few turns while we were away. But don’t fret -if you missed out or spent your vacation elsewhere, we’re here to update you on all of the above.

And - Yonit and Jonathan are honored to be joined by a friend of the podcast, editor of The New Yorker and former Moscow correspondent David Remnick, to discuss the legacy of the last leader of the Soviet Union, Mikhail Gorbachev, who passed away this week.

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What better way to spend the last days of summer break than by soaking up the sun… and listening to a rerun of a conversation we love? While our beloved British co-host is still away, he and Yonit made sure our listeners are reminded of some of our favorite conversations, before they return for a brand new season next week. 

For the last week of August, Yonit and Jonathan revisit a conversation with a sitcom star who recently made her debut as film director. Here’s a clue: Famous Jewish actress and gameshow host for $500. And if you haven’t guessed it: Who is Mayim Bialik? Jeopardy’s frontwoman opens up on being a Zionist in Hollywood and on how she intergrated Jewish grief rituals into her movie, plus settles the age-old question: are our hosts geeks - or nerds?

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We truly hope that by the time you’re reading this, you’re on a beach somewhere, or sipping an alcoholic drink in a European city. We can tell you that our own host, Jonathan Freedland, is probably doing one of the aforementioned activities - but only after he and Yonit made sure our listeners won’t miss out every Friday.

For the third week of August, our hosts reminisced on their episode with Professor Scott Galloway, marketing guru and bestselling author. Tune in (again), to hear on issues spanning from the war in Ukraine to how big tech promotes polarization via algorithms, plus tips on "pod-distance" relationships.

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Following Operation Breaking Dawn, Yonit and Jonathan are back from break with an emergency episode to speak on the recent conflict between Israel and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad in the Gaza Strip. After nearly seventy hours of clashes, a ceasefire was announced - and while it holds, for now, both sides know that it may only be a matter of time before the situation escalates again. Listen to hear our hosts summarize this recent round, with points including tactical aspects, the world's response, and the political aftermath of an operation during election season. 

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Jonathan may be away, sitting on a lounge chair positioned on a sandy beach somewhere, but it doesn’t mean Unholy listeners will be deprived of their weekly podcast fix. This summer break, we’re taking you back to some of our favorite conversations with outstanding guests. 

In this episode, Yonit and Jonathan revisit their discussion with one of America’s most accomplished journalists, David Remnick. Recorded on the eve of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the editor of The New Yorker reflects on being a correspondent in Moscow during the last days of the Soviet Union and shares his thoughts on why nobody really knows what goes on in Putin’s head. Plus, no podcast hosted by Jews can really be concluded without discussing Jewish identity - nor without a session on Leonard Cohen.

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Last episode of the season - and before we pack our suitcases and bring out the bathing suits, we're closing off with an extra long episode. But don't worry - although we'll officially be back in September, we've got some surprises that will keep you entertained all through August.And for this episode: his predecessor may have maintained warm relations with Russia - but the man who now holds the top job at both the Prime Minister’s office and the Foreign Ministry, Yair Lapid, can’t quite maintain the affections of the Kremlin. As a Russian court considers a lawsuit to liquidate the Jewish Agency in the country, Yonit and Jonathan speak to Shimrit Meir, former advisor to Naftali Bennett - on what may signal a decline in ties between Jerusalem and Moscow. Meir also speaks out on what went wrong for the coalition - and why she thinks Bennett hasn't said the last word. And what does she have to say about the Iranian threat?
Plus: election season is upon Brits and Israelis alike, but before the votes are cast - our hosts introduce the political players from each home field.

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Israelis usually flee to Europe during hot summers to experience European weather - but this week’s heatwave made the blistering temperatures here seem normal. But whether or not the countries are well equipped with air conditioning, it seems none are particularly ready with a plan for the effects of climate change.

And to another hot topic- the U.S involvement in the Middle East and Israel, in particular, we speak to historian and foreign policy luminary Walter Russell Mead on his new book, which inquires into the historical roots of America’s support for Israel, and the misconceptions about the strength of the Jewish state that led to him writing it.

Plus - a story involving a cat and an Israeli MK gets mentioned in both our award categories.

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Armed vehicles, numerous flags and even a presidential menu - after much preparation, President Joe Biden landed in Israel this Wednesday, kicking off his Middle East visit with a jam-packed schedule in the Holyland. But a moment before leaving for Jerusalem, Biden sat down with our host, Yonit Levi, for a one-on-one, exclusive televised interview - the first ever for a foreign network. In this week's special edition of Unholy, Yonit gives Jonathan - and you listeners - the juiciest behind-the-scenes details from the interview, including the one question she didn't have time to ask - and the moment the leader of the free world serenaded her with "Happy Birthday". 

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Roll the red carpet and get the cameras ready - in less than a week, the leader of the free world will make his way to Israel, only to be greeted by a freshly-appointed Prime Minister of a caretaker government. Yonit and Jonathan are joined by the New York Times’ Chief White House correspondent, Peter Baker, to discuss the objectives of the visit, the upcoming midterms and the American relations with Saudi Arabia. 

And, it seems our British friends got a bit jealous of Israel hogging all the political drama - and decided to take a shot at it, with the announcement of  Boris Johnson (Br)exiting office. But as the United Kingdom is left prime minister-less, one issue troubles our co-host most -  who will replace Johnson, the star of more than one of Jonathan’s columns?!

Plus - here’s a scoop: this ice cream manufacturer is losing cone-trol (okay, we’re done with the gelato puns) over a battle on selling their products in the settlements.

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The term Prime Minister Yair Lapid may take some getting used to - but don’t take too long, as it’s paired with “interim”. After dissolving the Knesset and bidding farewell to his coalition partner, Naftali Bennett, Lapid embarked on his spell as head of a caretaker government - but all heads are turned to the fifth election round, which will determine whether the late-night host turned premier will be more than just another anecdote in a continuous political narrative.

Yonit and Jonathan aren’t scientists (yet), it's safe to say this political experiment didn’t quite go according to plan. Joined by author and unofficial philosopher to the coalition, Micah Goodman, our co-hosts discuss whether the results should really be seen as a failure, what the lab conditions to shrink the conflict are - and also, why Israelis are both closer, and further than ever.

And - for many, the United States Supreme Court ruling abolishing women’s right for abortions reflects the capacity conservatives have to turn the wheel backwards while imposing their beliefs on the public. But with protesters marching daily through D.C., concerns on the extent of these perceptions are heard as far as Israel - where some view the ruling as a warning sign of what may occur here under a more conservative leadership - and an unyielding American influence. 

Plus - what Jewish ritual did the chutzpah recipients of this week make profitable?

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If you look up the words “Israel” and “Elections” in any search engine at any given time during these last three years, chances are you either saw articles about upcoming ballots - or results of a recent round. That’s why this week’s results won’t come as a surprise. This week, Bennet and Lapid themselves hammered the final nail into the coalition’s coffin - sending Israelis to vote yet again. Yonit and Jonathan are joined by Channel 12 political analyst Amit Segal, to chat about the open questions - from Lapid, the caretaker government’s appointed caretaker, to his failed coalition’s legacy, and to the odds that an Arab party will fit into a governmental puzzle again.

But, even though the Holy Land seems to hold first prize - topsy-turvy politics aren’t exclusively Israeli. French President Emmanuel Macron lost his absolute majority in Parliament by a wide margin this week, in a political blow that complicates his leadership - with far-right leader Marine Le Pen’s party coming in with a strong showing that exceeded expectations.

Plus, coming to shelves soon - gefilte fish hot dogs?! Yonit and Jonathan try and stomach the news of this culinary crossover that probably won’t become a bestseller at ball games.

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This week's guest is someone Unholy listeners are quite familiar with - our very own co-host (and bestselling author) Jonathan Freedland! In this episode, Yonit gives him the tried and tested interviewee treatment as they discuss his new book, The Escape Artist, which details the all but unknown story of Rudolf Vrba. Vrba is one of only four Jews to escape Auschwitz, and is credited with publishing a detailed report on the atrocities being perpetrated behind barbed wire, a report which led to halting the deportations of Hungarian Jews, ultimately saving tens of thousands of lives.

In other matters - is an Unholy episode ever complete without Israeli political drama? We continue to follow the slow-motion train wreck that is the Bennett coalition - who might not hold on to the reigns long enough to greet President Joe Biden when he arrives in Israel in less than a month. Plus, these two prime ministers have seen their fair share of courtrooms, but now they meet in the same one, head to head, and it's the best show in town. 

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On the same night and only twenty minutes apart, members of parliament from two different countries cast votes which would determine the fate of their current head of government. On one end, lawmakers voted against a bill that represented their opinions just to wound the coalition, and on the other - a Prime Minister rejoiced even though nearly half of his party voted in favor of outing him. Sounds crazy, right? Well - for our Israeli and British co-hosts, respectively, that’s just called internal politics.

And- "Fight like a girl" may have been an insult once, but now, for young women in the IDF, it’s becoming more and more of a reality. Yonit and Jonathan discuss the Israeli military’s latest promise for a gender based revolution - and how, despite the strict conditions for recruitment and prolonged timetable for implementation - this decision to integrate more women into combat units still counts as a victory.

Plus - being named mensch once doesn’t guarantee you won’t be brought up again - even if it’s the opposite category. Find out which former world leader (and former Mensch) landed herself in the Chutzpah slot.

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We’re celebrating - and you’re all invited! After all, it only took sixty episodes of Unholy - and seventy years on the throne - to convince Jonathan to discuss the monarchy favorably.

This week’s special guest, Ira Glass, set the gold standard for podcasts with his award winning "This American Life", he is the recipient of the Pulitzer Prize - but if you ask him, he doesn’t really consider himself a celebrity. Glass talks with Yonit and Jonathan about being the non-traditional voice that reinvented radio, about journalism losing its grip on the truth, and- naturally- about letting down his Jewish parents by deciding to not be a doctor. 

Plus, in the Chutzpah category - they say Bat Mitzvahs are the rite to adulthood, but these invitees may have taken that too literally.

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In the aftermath of the tragedy in Uvalde, Texas, Yonit and Jonathan discuss how Israel, compared to the U.S. is both well-armed and at the same time well- regulated when it comes to guns.

This week's episode also features a discussion about the reality television episode of "Married at First Sight" that made LGBTQ history, with two men under the Jewish wedding canopy, shattering the glass (both literally and metaphorically).

Plus, if you're a "Jewish-looking" actor - we suggest you tune into our award session at the end of our program, as Jonathan and Yonit may have found you a job on the small screen.

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Israel's PM Naftali Bennett hoped to silence his government’s swan song - but the music is getting louder by the moment, with a surprising exit stage left of the coalition, possibly giving Netanyahu the one-up he needed.

We discuss the great replacement theory, how the world viewed one funeral in Jerusalem, and why everyone is talking about AIPAC.

And this week we are joined by special guest Mayim Bialik, actress and host of "Jeopardy!", who tells us how Jewish mourning rituals influenced her directorial debut, the film "As They Made Us"; shares her experiences as a pro-Israel actress in Hollywood; plus - helps us determine once and for all: is Jonathan Freedland a geek or a nerd?

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The death of Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Akleh during an IDF raid in the Palestinian city of Jenin has shifted the international spotlight back on Israel. Yonit and Jonathan discuss the contradicting narratives and the implications of this tragedy for both sides.

In the meantime, the Bennett-Lapid coalition is keeping its head above water for now, but the answer to whether it makes it to safe shores or drowns is still pending.

For dessert, we hope you don’t mind a dish served cold - as our mensch of the week award is an excuse for a bit of revenge against a certain English co-host....

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On Israel's Independence Day, Yonit and Jonathan talk to award winning author Matti Friedman about his new book, "Who By Fire: Leonard Cohen in the Sinai", in which he details the extraordinary episode of Cohen's musical tour during the Yom Kippur war.

In the shadow of the Roe v. Wade row in the U.S. - how do Judaism and Israel view abortions. Why Israel in practice is more liberal on abortions than the U.S.

Plus – we discuss Israel's slowly shifting its position on Ukraine, and which country (yes, a whole country!) receives the mensch award of the week?

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Yonit and Jonathan are back from Passover break and seder with a lot on their plate –

We tackle Israeli PM Naftali Bennett's huge takeout bill, the results of the French Presidential election through the eyes of French Jews and French expats in Israel, and our mutual addiction to the series WeCrashed about Israeli entrepreneur Adam Neumann.

We're joined by Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Ronan Farrow to discuss his recent piece for The New Yorker on NSO group, his groundbreaking reporting on the Harvey Weinstein case, his experiences in Jerusalem, and what it’s like to be a college student at age of 11.

We also discuss Jonathan's new book coming out in June, "The Escape Artist" – the story of the man who broke out of Auschwitz to warn the world.

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Just before they return from Passover break, Yonit and Jonathan revisit their conversation with Kara Swisher, the most influential tech journalist in the world. They discuss the big tech companies and their accountability (or lack thereof), U.S. politics, the success of Israeli tech companies, and tips on how to co-host a podcast…

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For Passover, Yonit and Jonathan revisit their conversation with intellectual icon Yuval Noah Harari.
They discuss the future of humans, pandemics, climate change, corporations vs. governments, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, trans rights, and Yuval shares his secret of success…

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A week of political turmoil in Israel, Yonit and Jonathan are joined by Amit Segal, political analyst and bestselling author who broke the story that Naftali Bennett's coalition is now hanging on by a thread. They discuss the different scenarios that can unfold, Bennett's biggest mistake, and what are the chances for Benjamin Netanyahu's to make a comeback to the Prime Minister's chair. 
On the Ukrainian front, we discuss what President Zelenskiy's meant when he said that Ukraine will become "a big Israel"
and for our mensch award we need to travel as far as the north pole...

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As Israel faces a new wave of terror attacks, Yonit and Jonathan are joined by Ehud Barak, former Israeli Prime Minister.

He shares his insights: what can be done to break the cycle of violence, and why he is still optimistic about peace even though the signs point in the opposite direction.

We discuss Israel's moral ambiguity on Ukraine, and what Barak Thinks should be the global plan to prevent a nuclear Iran.

And for the mensch award of the week we go to the Oscars but make a surprising pick…

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Yonit and Jonathan discuss Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy's speech to the Israeli parliament: he thought lawmakers weren't doing enough, they thought he said too much.

Why the whole world should be concerned about the influence ISIS has on one terrorist in Be'er Sheva, and is this week's deadly attack a precursor to a new Intifada.

In the mensch category we'll say goodbye to a venerated diplomat and trailblazer; our chutzpah nominee goes to someone who's won it so often we might name the award in his honor.

And the most ancient Hebrew tablet excavated doesn’t include too many nice words…

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Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett stepping up his mediation efforts between Russia and Ukraine; the Biden Administration intensifying its crackdown on Oligarchs; and the internal debate in Israel rages on the issue of accepting Ukrainian refugees.  

Yonit and Jonathan are joined by journalist and author Oliver Bullough, an expert on financial crime, to discuss Russian Oligarchs in Israel.

We have a double mensch award and an attempt-- even under the shadow of a war in Europe – to celebrate Purim

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As the war in Ukraine intensifies, Yonit and Jonathan are joined by Pulitzer Prize winning author Anne Applebaum to discuss Zelenskyy, Putin, Bennett and the high stakes everyone is playing for.

In this episode we also give a nod to Israel and Turkey's old-new bromance; we go to great depths to give a mensch award; and a chutzpah award you probably weren't expecting…

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Yonit and Jonathan are joined by Professor Scott Galloway, marketing guru and bestselling author, to talk Ukraine and Russia, U.S. and Israel, angry young men and big tech.

And, as Jonathan braves a covid diagnosis, our chutzpah and mensch nominees this week are inevitably tied to Ukraine.

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Following the Russian onslaught in Ukraine- Yonit and Jonathan talk about the price of intervention and the price of non intervention, What is left of the new world order, Russian oligarchs around the world and Israel's tightrope act becoming increasingly challenging.

And how all this affects the nuclear talks still taking place in Vienna, with the U.S. and Russia on the same side.

On the lighter side- Chutzpah award from the newspaper business and one of our co-hosts has a birthday…

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For the latest edition of Unholy, Yonit and Jonathan are joined by one of America's most admired journalists, David Remnick. The editor of the New Yorker draws on a long career, including a spell in Moscow reporting on the last days of the Soviet Union, to reflect on everything from possible war in Ukraine to the state of Israeli society, from the threat of Donald Trump to Remnick's own Jewish identity...and the joys of conversation with Leonard Cohen. 

There's also a chutzpah award for a convicted conman, and a mensch nomination for a woman whose public persona is seemingly superficial but, who in reality, is completely different. 

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In an exclusive interview, Yonit and Jonathan question Shalev Hulio, the CEO of the NSO Group, the Israeli company that has become one of the most controversial in the world. NSO sells spyware to governments across the globe for use, it says, against criminals and terrorists. But media organisations and human rights groups say Pegasus hacking software has been deployed against dissidents, journalists and activists. Hulio answers those allegations, tells us what explains the US government blacklisting of his company and sets out his view that the failure of the NSO could open the door to a more dangerous world.

For this week's chutzpah award, Yonit pursues a culinary theme - nominating the US Congresswoman who confused soup with stormtroopers. While Jonathan's choice for mensch stays much closer to home.

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Despite suffering from Covid and with the help of chicken soup, Yonit throws herself into spirited discussion with Jonathan about Whoopi Goldberg's inflammatory remarks on the Holocaust, and Amnesty International's labelling of Israel as an apartheid state.

They also talk about how Israel's largest circulation newspaper has switched its support from Benjamin Netanyahu to Naftali Bennett.

And for the mensch award Jonathan nominates (and inflicts) his new word-based obsession upon Yonit. While her chutzpah award goes to a leading Israeli politican who has been campaigning for the poor from his luxury hotel in Switzerland.

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As Yonit enjoys the novelty of a heavy snowfall (by Middle Eastern standards) in Jerusalem, Jonathan is captivated by the political drama in London with scandal and cake simultaneously ambushing Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

They also contemplate how Israel is walking a diplomatic tightrope in trying not to offend either the US or Russia as the danger of war looms in Ukraine. Also on Holocaust Memorial Day, Yonit and Jonathan reflect on the memory and meaning of the Shoah for Jews and non-Jews.

And finally, our chutzpah and mensch awards range from America's highest court to the supermarket checkout.

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In this edition Yonit and Jonathan consider the 'deal of the century', in the light of the negotiations underway between former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the legal authorities in Israel for him to avoid a trial in exchange for lesser charges and being excluded from public office. They ask what it could mean for him, his party and the politics as a whole in israel.

And in the week following the hostage crisis at a synagogue in Texas, Yonit and Jonathan assess the impact of yet another attack on a Jewish institution in the US. They speak to a leading Los Angeles Rabbi, Sharon Brous, about the implications of rising anti-Semitism for American Jews and the sense of vulnerabilty despite the community's apparent success.

And finally for chutzpah and mensch, we get a fallen star of Hollywood and a super-Rabbi.

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David Baddiel, the British writer, comedian, commentator, and author of the acclaimed polemic ‘Jews Don’t Count’ joins Yonit and Jonathan to talk about who gets to play Jewish figures on stage and screen, along with the complexities of identity amid discussions of antisemitism, Israel, and progressive politics.  

For chutzpah of the week Jonathan sounds a discordant note (that’s a hint!), and to mark Unholy’s first ‘podiversary’ Yonit brings Jonathan a special gift.

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The Hebrew word of the year marks a good way to start 2022.

Yonit and Jonathan discuss how Israel is losing its place as the trailblazer on COVID, allowing a more flexible policy on testing and policy of living alongside the pandemic.

Benny Gantz is ruffling political feathers meeting with Arab leaders, including Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas, cementing his position as an alternative to Bennett and Netanyahu.

Also, we talk about the appearance of the Jew-goblins of Harry Potter, courtesy of Jon Stewart.

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On the cusp of the new year, Yonit and Jonathan talk about what they dread and what they look forward to in 2022. As optimistic as we are, expect more of the former than the latter. Wishing us all a happier, healthier 2022.

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Outside Israel, the world is preparing for the festive holiday period. In Israel, meanwhile, this is just another work week. Yonit and Jonathan catch up to discuss what Christmas is like for jews around the world. We also discuss the fallout of Donald Trump's comments on the Jewish community we aired last week.

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Yonit and Jonathan are joined by Israeli journalist Barak Ravid following his explosive interview with former President Donald Trump, including never before heard excerpts: What Trump thinks of the Jewish community, Sheldon Adelson and the New York Times?
 
Speaking of U.S. Presidents – we pick one for mensch nominee of the week

And what film did Jonathan embarrassingly admit to never seeing?

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New quotes from Donald Trump shed a new and disturbing light on the relationship between the Former US President and Former Israeli PM. This week Yonit and Jonathan are joined by Dara Horn, acclaimed author of "People Love Dead Jews", the thought provoking book about the double standard when treating Jews and Jewish history. 
Boris Johnson is claiming Chutzpah again, and we have a new found group of Mensches.

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No one living in Tel Aviv was surprised it was crowned the most expensive city in the world; Yonit and Jonathan return to the topic of the high cost of living in Israel compared to the rest of the Western world.

Anti-Vaxxers' campaign evoking insulting comparisons to the Holocaust even in Israel,

A new BDS initiative in Canada aimed at kosher food.

And we don't let you down -- the mensch award this week just has to be connected to the Beatles.

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As we light our first candle, we deeply fry some Israel/Diaspora Hanukkah traditions. Yonit and Jonathan also talk about the lively discussion following Israel's project to vaccinate its children, and the new plot twist in the never ending Netanyahu trial.

And how did Yonit end up in the Back to the Future Delorean? Happy Hanukkah everyone!

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As the new Israeli coalition passes its budget, Yonit and Jonathan are joined by Guy Rolnik, Founder of TheMarker, Israel's leading business publication and Professor at University of Chicago Booth School of Business. We ask how Israel has become one of the most expensive places to buy a house (or go to a restaurant?), why does it continue to attract so many foreign investments, and why isn't the economy on top of the political agenda for Israelis? 

Also - Yonit shares some interesting finds from her moving house experience, and Jonathan gives us a sneak peek at his upcoming book.

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We are delighted to have Prof. Yuval Noah Harari as our special guest this week. Right before he leaves for a two month meditation retreat, Yuval gets together with Yonit and Jonathan for a conversation on pandemics, climate change, corporations vs. governments, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, trans rights and shares some interesting Bar Mitzvah experiences.

Yuval's new book Sapiens: A graphic history is available now.

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Israeli PM Bennett left quite an impression at COP26. In reality, Israel is nowhere near the environmental targets set, and the Israelis aren't doing much to get there.Yonit and Jonathan also discuss the alarming rise of the far right populist newcomer in France, who, unfortunately, can play the 'I'm Jewish' card.
In Chutzpah, we re-enact a Jewish version of Succession, courtesy of an NYC synagogue.

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As world leaders come to Glasgow for COP26, the UN Climate Change Conference, Yonit and Jonathan talk to former Obama Advisor Ben Rhodes. We discuss the dynamics behind the scenes and what the US and the world are missing as we tackle this challenge.

In Israel, PM Bennett's coalition is starting to show some cracks, only 4 months in and ahead of a crucial budget vote. Finally, Yonit reclaims her spot at the nominating committee of Mensch of the week

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Yonit and Jonathan are back together after meeting up in London! This week, we have an in depth conversation with the woman who leads the Israeli efforts to fight COVID, Dr. Sharon Alroy-Preis, Head of Public Health Services at Israel's Ministry of Health. She shares how she makes decisions as a worldwide leader in vaccinations and booster shots, and her concerns of a fifth wave. Finally, we discuss why it's only the normal people who suffer from the Sally Rooney boycott scandal

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Israeli PM Naftali Bennett reveals the Mossad's latest attempt to unearth information in a mystery that has haunted Israel for 35 years. We are joined by New York Times journalist Ronen Bergman to discuss the frustrating and futile search for missing Israeli Airman Ron Arad. In Hollywood – actress and comedian Sarah Silverman ignites a debate about the casting of non- Jewish actors in Jewish roles – Yonit and Jonathan discuss the provocative term "Jew-face". Also, the heartwarming story of how London's Jews came together to save a synagogue, And a chutzpah award worthy of a king.

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The high holidays are behind us and the news is back to some routine.

Israeli PM Naftali Bennett spoke to the United Nations General Assembly in New York and with the US Jewish community: Jacob Kornbluh of The Forward was in the room and is joining us to share his insights.

As Angela Merkel bids farewell, Yonit and Jonathan discuss the 'charged' emotions older and younger Jews in Israel and around the world have towards Germany.

And... Jonathan realizes it's easier to choose a Chutzpah nominee than to fill your car with gas (or petrol).

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Yonit and Jonathan are in festive Sukkot spirits and have invited rockstar journalist Kara Swisher for a conversation about tech, politics and Israeli unicorns.

Happy holidays everyone!

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Yonit and Jonathan catch up right before Yom Kippur with some tips for fasting and book recommendations. They also share experiences from their interviews with Israeli PM Naftali Bennett and Hillary Clinton

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We recover from Rosh Hashanah with the crazy Israeli prison break story. Six high risk Palestinian security prisoners escaped and left Israeli authorities puzzled. Yonit and Jonathan also look back at the effect of 9/11 on Jews and Israelis, and devise an alternative plot of The White Lotus starring... The Netanyahu Family.

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We'll see you next week on Wednesday for a special 'Pre-Fast' episode for Yom Kippur.

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Yonit and Jonathan are back with a second season of UNHOLY, just in time for Rosh Hashanah. Sacha Baron Cohen and Gal Gadot choose their "Mensch of the Year", we ask how are President Biden and Israel PM Bennett doing regarding Afghanistan, Iran, COVID and... each other. And we finally learn Jonathan's not-so-secret nickname.

Shana Tova everyone!

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From In Treatment to Fauda, Homeland to Shtisel - Israeli TV is now a global bingeing phenomenon.

Yonit and Jonathan are joined by Former Chairman and CEO of HBO, Richard Plepler, to talk about how Israeli stories have broken new ground with viewers around the world.

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COVID is hitting back in Israel and Iran is presenting a new challenge to new PM Bennett and new-ish President Biden.

In the US, progressive events are starting to shun Israeli participants.

Finally, Yonit and Jonathan grade Quentin Tarantino's Hebrew.

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While the newly formed Bennett-Lapid government is taking its first steps, Yonit and Jonathan discuss the one who is stepping down. What did Benjamin Netanyahu's 12 consecutive years in power mean for Israelis and for Jews outside of Israel?

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As a new political reality takes form in Israel, we try and estimate what a Netanyahu-Bennett handover would look like, and what are the challenges of this unusual coalition.

Yonit and Jonathan are joined by CNN's Jake Tapper for a conversation about politics, Judaism, his new book and his semester at Tel Aviv University.

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Yonit and Jonathan explain the forces behind the historic coalition formed in Israel, and the forces that might stop it.
What does the new President-elect Herzog mean for world jews? And no need to Google our Chutzpah nominee for this week

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Even though a ceasefire is maintained between Israel and Hamas, tensions are still high, especially around the world. Yonit and Jonathan are joined from New York by CNN's Bianna Golodryga, who called out antisemitic remarks by the Pakistani Foreign Minister - to present her with her mensch award!

We also update on the looming threat of fifth elections, give some context on the who the next Israeli President will be, with a surprising Unholy cameo from one of the candidates.

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The war between Israel and Gaza is generating new hardships for jews in Israel and around the world. Yonit and Jonathan discuss how this escalation is different than those who came before it, and how influencers Gigi and Bella Hadid are dominating the global narrative against Israel.

Finally - some vintage Freedland, celebrating the 50th anniversary of "You don't have to be Jewish", the monumental BBC Radio programme by Jonathan's late father, who hosted all the who's and jews of the time. ** Click here to join the virtual event

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Yonit and Jonathan get together at the end of a tumultuous week in Israel, which started with tensions in Jerusalem, and ended in an all-encompassing war: hundreds of rockets landing across Israel, destructive attacks on Gaza and riots by lynching mobs throughout the country.

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Yair Lapid and Naftali Bennett are busy crafting a coalition that defies all rules of math, on their way to topple incumbent PM Netanyahu. The disaster at Mount Meron unearths big questions regarding the Israeli establishment's dealings with the Haredi community.

In Chutzpah and Mensch, Yonit and Jonathan discuss the latest UK-France standoff, and offer some TV bingeing recommendations.

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Israeli PM Netanyahu is showing signs of losing his magic, when a failed attempt at appointing his loyalist as Justice Minister ended up getting his rivals closer together.

Yonit and Jonathan also discuss the latest report accusing Israel of apartheid. In France, a new ruling raises old concerns by the Jewish community. And we pay homage to the first Israeli transgender soccer referee.

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Welcome to our Bar Mitzvah episode!

Netanyahu's rivals have outsmarted the Prime Minister on a crucial vote and were caught winking behind his back. Is he on the brink of losing power? Yonit and Jonathan discuss.

In the US, TV personality Tucker Carlson is creating a new concerning discourse in the right. And some big names on our Chutzpah and Mensch awards list.

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Israel is celebrating its 73rd year of independence and Yonit and Jonathan are back behind the mic! In politics, Netanyahu has the mandate from the president, but not a coalition or a government, as the deadlock remains. The covert war in Iran is out of the shadows and part of the political game for Israel's security heads. A farewell to Bernie Madoff and a Freedland-Levi faceoff on Duolingo with their latest language addition: Yiddish!

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Israel wakes up to a new political reality: PM Netanyahu can't form a government without reaching out to an Arab leader, and a new Kingmaker emerges, along with the likely possibility of a fifth election. Yonit and Jonathan are here with a Special Edition of UNHOLY and a detailed debrief of (another) crazy Israeli election night. Yes, we are also getting ready for Passover Seder!

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The Elections in Israel are approaching the final furlong, and Yonit is sharing some trade secrets with Jonathan on what to look out for come Election night. Above all, we are delighted to be joined by special guest, David Axelrod, talking to us on Biden, Obama, Netanyahu and what it means to be a jew in the US. 

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Will Prince Harry and Meghan Markle change what younger Brits think of their monarchs, and the almost-eternal British Bar Mitzvah and Jewish wedding playlist?

In the Kingdom of Israel, Naftali Bennett arises as the new potential Kingmaker, or perhaps... political tradition may still prevail (we mean fifth elections, of course).

For Chutzpah and Mensch awards, Yonit and Jonathan discover a new English word.

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The Israeli high court decision to recognize reform and conservative conversions raises the eternal question "who is a jew?". Corbyn is out, but antisemitism is still very much alive in the UK. Plus, Israeli actress Shira Haas (Unorthodox) is giving Yonit and Jonathan a few good reasons to be proud this week.

Oh, and Jonathan's new book "To Kill a Man" is out now!

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Israel is gifting vaccines to diplomatic allies, raising eyebrows internally and around the world. Netanyahu's opponents are still MIA in the run up to the elections. Plus, Yonit and Jonathan celebrate Purim with a 'dress up' competition of their favorite Hebrew and British idioms.
Happy Purim everyone!

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This week we are 'Three Jews on the news'! Yonit and Jonathan are joined from DC by Jeffrey Goldberg, Editor in chief of The Atlantic.

Levi-Goldberg-Freedland talk about the unspoken messages in the Biden-Netanyahu belated call, Biden's first 30 days in office and what Israelis don't understand about diaspora Jews.

And, of course, look out for our Chutzpah and Mensch of the week awards.

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Is there anything more Jewish than saying "You never call"? Yonit and Jonathan discuss the awkward tweet begging President Biden to call Israel's Prime Minister and dissect who's who in the Netanyahu trial, which started again this week. Also - a bump in the road for Israel to become the vaccine-nation, and a special note for Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth.

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Prime Minister Netanyahu has managed, yet again, to architect the Israeli political map in his favor, ahead of the March 2021 elections. But COVID can still change the whole picture. Yonit and Jonathan analyze the political forces to the left and the right . Also, we ask who is hiding the "Jewish space laser"?

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The Israeli left is shrinking: only 13% of Israeli jews identify as leftists. This is quite the challenge for the newly voted Chairwoman of the Labour Party, Merav Michaeli. Yonit and Jonathan also discuss the handling of coronavirus by Israel and the UK - one year into the pandemic.   Full video of Merav Michaeli's TEDxJaffa talk: Cancel Marriage https://youtu.be/tTf8jKMGsGE

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US President Joe Biden begins his term with more jews in top positions than any of his predecessors. Not sure that is enough to satisfy an Israeli audience that is still on a Trump sugar high. Amid the vaccination and infection records in Israel, The ultra orthodox leaders, Netanyahu’s closest allies, face a moment of political reckoning. And why is Kermit the frog Yonit’s "mensch of the week"?

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While The US is in political turmoil over the Trump impeachment, Israel is on track to vaccinate all of its adult population against COVID-19. Coincidentally, the vaccine rollout plan perfectly matches the electoral needs of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. However, his right wing political adversaries, Gideon Sa'ar and Naftali Bennett, are potentially working up a February surprise.

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