When did everything become securitised?

Alice Billon-Galland explains to Peter Roberts what a forward-looking reflective exercise is (for NATO), and what this issues are between NATO and the EU. They get into why patchwork military structures have emerged in the last 5 years, and whether a single European vision of security and defence is even possible (whether meaningful or not). Fractured Euro-Atlantic? Still not quite sure. Great conversation from one of the best young minds around.