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E33 | Toko-pa Turner | Dreaming with Earth: On Courtship, Shadow, & the Imaginal Realm
68 min •
22 april 2025
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“Without dreams we could not survive, and although it is possible to get by without remembering our dreams, a life guided and shaped by dreaming is a life that follows the innate knowing of the Earth itself.”
— Toko-pa Turner
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Toko-pa opens a doorway into the deep imaginal world, reminding us that dreams are not mere fragments of the thinking mind, but mysterious and meaningful expressions of Nature herself. In this conversation, Toko-pa invites us to remember the ancestral art of dreaming—an embodied, reciprocal practice that has long guided the human spirit.
Together, we explore what it means to live a dream-led life in a culture that prizes the measurable and dismisses the mystical. Toko-pa shares powerful insights on the loss—and return—of Sophia, the archetype of embodied wisdom, and how reweaving a relationship with the dreaming world can help us recover the parts of ourselves exiled by modernity.
From the forgotten art of daydreaming to the radical courage it takes to step into the unknown, this episode moves through symbol, shadow, and silence with reverence. Toko-pa reminds us that the dreamworld is not something we own or interpret for gain, but a living realm we are meant to court with wonder, humility, and love.
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