Putin and Xi meet again

As Xi Jingping and Vladimir Putin meet for a defence and security summit in Kazakhstan, we speak to former NATO planner and military intelligence officer Philip Ingram. Plus, The Times' Charles Bremner joins us from Paris to discuss Russia's spy tactics in France.

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