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Since it launched in 2014, Vox Video has amassed nearly 10 million subscribers on YouTube, and has expanded to platforms like Netflix, HBO, and Quibi. Its new docu-series Level Playing Field, about the intersection between sports and politics, is now streaming on HBO.

Joe Posner is the Co-founder and VP of Creative Development at Vox Video. In this episode, we discuss how Vox built its unique brand of explanatory journalism, and it kept this distinctness while scaling to other platforms.

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What kinds of stories are best told in virtual reality? Why is VR so effective, and how can emerging filmmakers get started with VR?

Gary Yost and Adam Loften lead The WisdomVR Project, a library of VR documentaries and experiences. One of their latest projects, Inside COVID-19, was nominated for an Emmy Award in 2021.

Adam Loften is a documentary filmmaker producing award-winning 360/VR films and multimedia stories that highlight pressing social and environmental issues. His projects have screened at film festivals around the world and have been featured on PBS, National Geographic, Emergence Magazine, The Atlantic and the New York Times.

Gary Yost led the team that invented Autodesk 3ds Max, the world’s most popular 3D visual effects production system, and is an award-winning filmmaker with unique expertise in the combined fields of computer imaging, filmmaking and immersive storytelling. He founded the WisdomVR Project in 2018 with Ram Dass as the inaugural subject and is the president of the board of directors.

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As a freelancer, how do you negotiate a rate? What should you consider when setting a price? Doc filmmakers from both sides of the negotiation share their expertise in this special episode.

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Rebecca Davis (NBC News, Vox, NY Daily News)
Lea Khayata (Pushpin Films)
Javier Briones (Freelance Documentary Filmmaker)

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Hao Wu is an award-winning documentary filmmaker born and raised in China. His most recent film,  76 Days, documents Wuhan’s COVID-19 outbreak. The film is shot completely vérité with no interviews, and gives viewers a first-hand account of Covid's impact through the stories of healthcare workers, patients, and their families.

Hao directed the film remotely in the U.S. while his co-directors Weixi Chen (Esquire China) and a second reporter who wished to remain anonymous filmed inside four of the city's hospitals.

In this episode Hao talks about his experience directing a film remotely, why he chose to make the film completely vérité, and the challenges he faced in completing the project.

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Geeta Gandbhir is a documentary director, producer, and editor who has been nominated for three Emmy Awards and has won two.  As editor, she won a Primetime Emmy for Best Editing for Spike Lee's HBO documentary series When the Levees Broke and also for the HBO film By The People, The Election of Barack Obama.

Her short film Call Center Blues, about US deportees and their loved ones struggling to rebuild their lives in Tijuana, was shortlisted for the 2021 Academy Awards

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Jeremy Workman is a documentary filmmaker and founder of Wheelhouse Creative, a company that makes trailers for narrative films and documentaries. In this interview, Jennie and Jeremy discuss the three acts of a trailer, why trailers are so important, what makes an effective trailer, and why trailers for docs can often be more challenging than for narrative films.

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The World Before Your Feet

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Emily Strong is an NYC-based documentary filmmaker and freelance location sound mixer. She's contributed to Taylor Swift: Miss Americana and New York Times the Weekly, and was just listed in Doc NYC's 40 under 40. Her newest project, We Are the Brooklyn Saints, debuts on Netflix in January 2021.

In this episode, Emily talks about how she came up in the sound world, why sound is so important in documentaries, and how first-time doc filmmakers can achieve great sound.

Emily recommends:

Production Sound Mixing: The Art and Craft of Sound Recording for the Moving Image

The Location Sound Bible

The Freelance Manifesto: A Field Guide for the Modern Motion Designer 

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Uptin Saiidi was a multimedia journalist for CNBC for 7 years based in Singapore and Hong Kong. His videos about business and tech like this one about Singapore's Airport and this one about 'digital nomads' have received millions of views on Facebook alone. Uptin recently left CNBC and moved to LA to develop his own channels. His family is from Iran and he grew up in Reno.

In this episode, Uptin shares why he thinks some videos go viral on social media, how legacy media companies should pivot to digital, and why he left his job at CNBC to go freelance.

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Julie Cohen is a documentary filmmaker and television news producer. Most recently, she directed and produced RBG about Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, along with Columbia J school professor Betsy West. Cohen is now directing the upcoming documentary Julia about chef and TV personality Julia Child.

Before she was a documentary filmmaker, Cohen  was staff producer at Dateline NBC, where she was nominated for four national Emmy Awards and won the Individual Achievement Award for Best News Producer from American Women in Radio and Television (Gracie Award).

In this episode, Cohen talks about how working in  broadcast news made her a better doc filmmaker, her approach to archival footage, and how she was able the compelling opening montage of RBG.


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Director Nick Bruckman and Producer Amanda Roddy talk about their upcoming film, Not Going Quietly. The film follows activist Ady Barkan as he travels the country fighting for healthcare reform. Over the course of the film, Ady's health deteriorates due to ALS, a deadly disease he was diagnosed with in 2016. Mark Duplass, Jay Duplass, and Bradley Whitford serve as executive producers, and a clip of the film screened at the DNC.

When they're not working on Not Going Quietly, Nick and Amanda make videos and digital campaigns for companies and non-profits at People's Television.

In this episode, Nick, Amanda, and Jennie discuss commercial work vs. doc filmmaking, how they were able to capture such private moments related to Ady's declining health, and getting the Duplass brothers on board as executive producers.

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How do you get funding for your film before you have anything to show? In this episode, Jennie sits down with Co-founders Lisa Kleiner Chanoff and Bonni Cohen, and Senior Program Director Megan Gelstein of Catapult Film Fund, which provides development funding to help story-driven and cinematic documentary films get off the ground.

Catapult Film Fund gives early support to propel projects forward that hold the promise of a story that should be uniquely told in film. It provides development funding, up to $20,000, to documentary filmmakers who have a strong story to tell, have secured access, and are ready to create a fundraising piece to help unlock critical production funding. It also enables filmmakers to develop their projects to the next level, at the early stage when funding is hard to find. The Fund supports powerful and moving storytelling, by filmmakers with a strong voice across a broad spectrum of subject matter.

Apply and learn more at catapultfilmfund.org

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Sven Pape is a documentary and narrative film editor. His YouTube channel This Guy Edits is a collection of doc and narrative editing lessons. It has amassed tens of millions of views since launching in 2016.

Check out his editing course here: https://thegotoeditor.com

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Marco Williams is a documentary filmmaker and professor of film production at Northwestern University. His films—which center around race, injustice, and American history—have received numerous awards, including the Gotham Documentary Achievement Award and the Guggenheim Fellowship. Marco has also been nominated three times for the Sundance Film Festival grand jury prize.

My films are about America; about whom we have been; who we are; who we aspire to be. I have committed myself to creating a record of America by trying to deal with the topics that challenge our sense of who we are and our sense of justice, but more importantly, to make films that will have sustained impact...I try to tell the stories we’d rather not tell. - Marco Williams

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The Film Festival Alliance is a community of more than 180 film festivals around the globe. It's Executive Director, Lela Meadow-Conner, and Director of Membership, Barbara Twist, come on the podcast to discuss the role of festivals in a filmmaker's career and the future of festivals amid COVID-19.

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Claire Gordon is the showrunner and an executive producer of "Explained" on Netflix, produced by Vox Media. Previously, she was a senior producer for two Emmy Award-winning seasons of the HBO show "Last Week Tonight with John Oliver," where the segment she produced on abortion restrictions won Television Academy Honors for using television to promote social change. 

On this episode, Claire shares how Vox and Last Week Tonight are able to simplify complex topics or news stories and communicate clearly through video. She also discusses how the team was able to produce the first episode of Explained: Coronavirus in just 2.5 weeks—four times faster than their typical timeline.

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Joe Coscarelli is the host of NYTimes’, Diary of a Song, a video series that breaks down how pop songs get made. The series relies entirely on FaceTime interviews, cellphone footage, and in-house production, giving it a unique, pared-down feel. The show has featured artists like Taylor Swift, Lil Nas X, and Billie Eilish.

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Rachel Mason is an artist, musician and filmmaker from Los Angeles. Her film, Circus of Books, is an intimate portrait of her parents, who owned and operated one of the largest distributors of gay porn in the U.S. Rachel discusses the challenges of making a film about her family, her decision to include herself in the film, and how she was able to get Ryan Murphy on board as Executive Producer.

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Erin Lee Carr is a New York-based director, producer and writer. Her true crime documentaries for HBO include Mommy Dead and Dearest, At the Heart of Gold, and I Love You, Now Die. Her latest work, the four-part docuseries How to Fix a Drug Scandal, premiered on Netflix on April 1, 2020.

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Eric Arthur Fernandez is a producer and cinematographer that specializes in documentary filmmaking about contemporary social-issues and current affairs. His work has appeared in the New York Times, PBS, VICE News, and The Guardian, and he regularly works as a documentary cinematographer at places like National Geographic, VICE News Tonight on HBO, PBS Newshour, Al Jazeera, the BBC, as well as for various streaming outlets. When he's not working, he likes surfing, climbing, watching Seinfeld, reading, and hanging out with his cat Ingie.

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Ben C. Solomon is a documentary filmmaker, photographer and journalist. He is the inaugural Filmmaker-in-residence at Frontline on PBS. Prior to Frontline, Ben spent 9 years as a foreign multimedia correspondent for the New York Times, and was part of a team that won the Pulitzer Prize for their coverage of the Ebola Crisis in West Africa.

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Elise Coker is a documentary filmmaker, video journalist, and artist based in New York City. She has created work for media outlets including VICE, NBC News, Topic, Al Jazeera, National Geographic, and PBS, and is currently working on documentary projects in Taiwan and in the Arctic.

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Elettra Fiumi is a Florentine-American director, producer and editor based in Lugano, Switzerland. She heads Fiumi Studios and has worked on documentaries for Netflix, Tribeca Studios, The New Yorker, Whatsapp, Airbnb and others. She founded and heads VCItalia, the Video Consortium's Italian chapter in Milan, Italy.

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Wendy Cohen is the president of Picture Motion, an agency that creates social impact marketing campaigns for films. Wendy and her team work to maximize a film's impact—whether it's changing laws, bringing awareness to a social issue, or changing hearts and minds. This episode answers the question: How do you start a social movement around your film?

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Chloe Gbai is the director of If/Then, a Tribeca Film Institute initiative that gives grants and provides mentorship to filmmakers creating short documentaries. She was previously a programmer at PBS POV Shorts. 

In this episode, Chloe gives advice on how to put together a strong grant application, and shares her insight on what makes a good shot doc. She is based in NYC.

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Luke Lorentzen is a documentary filmmaker based in San Francisco, CA. Luke’s first feature film out of college, Midnight Family, follows a family-run ambulance business in Mexico City. Midnight Family is a verite film, shot with two cameras Luke operated simultaneously. The film has played at over 130 film festivals around the world and has won over 25 awards including a Special Jury Award for Cinematography at the Sundance Film Festival and the Grand Jury Award at Sheffield Doc/Fest. I was released theatrically in December 2019. 

Luke sat down with host Jennie Butler to discuss how he managed to shoot Midnight Family solo with two cameras, his philosophy on verite filmmaking, and the film's rocky path to Sundance.

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Lance Oppenheim is a documentary filmmaker based in Brooklyn, NY. He has been collaborating with the NY Times since the beginning of college, making three Op-Docs, and now the brand’s first ever feature-length documentary, Some Kind of Heaven. The film was executive produced by Darren Aronofsky and premiered at Sundance in 2020. Some Kind of Heaven’s editor, Dan Garber, also joined the conversation.

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Kevin Klauber is a documentary editor based in Los Angeles. He is best known for editing the Oscar-winning documentaries Icarus and 20 Feet from Stardom. Since then, he's contributed to numerous feature documentaries and doc series for HBO, Netflix, and others. He recently contributed to the feature documentary Fantastic Fungi, and the upcoming Netflix doc, Taylor Swift: Miss Americana.

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Bing Liu is a documentary filmmaker and cinematographer based in Chicago. His first feature documentary, Minding the Gap, is streaming on Hulu and was nominated for best documentary at the 2019 Academy Awards. 

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Charles Haine has worked in the film industry since 1999 as a colorist, cinematographer, and entrepreneur. He founded the production company Dirty Robber in 2008, which has produced feature films, shorts, commercials, and music videos. Haine has authored two books about filmmaking, Business & Entrepreneurship for Filmmakers and “Color Grading 101”, and currently teaches at the Feirstein Graduate School of Cinema at Brooklyn College.

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Wonbo Woo is Wired Magazine’s Executive Producer of Video. In just over a year, Wonbo tripled Wired’s subscribers on YouTube; the channel has 5.4 million at the time of this episode’s recording. Wonbo got his start in broadcast journalism, working for ABC’s Nightline, then NBC’s Nightly News. He’s based in New York.

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Vanessa Carr is a Brooklyn-based cinematographer specializing in vérité-style shooting. Vanessa shot a handful of episodes for the New York Times docu-series, The Weekly, and has contributed to PBS Frontline, VICE, NY Times Op-Docs, and HBO. 

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Mohammad Gorjestani is an Iranian-American filmmaker based in San Francisco, specializing in branded films. His work has appeared at SXSW, Tribeca Film Festival, as well as on Vimeo Staff Picks, The Guardian, VICE, CNN, and The Atlantic. Gorjestani’s film Exit 12 was commissioned by Square and was later acquired by Fox Searchlight.

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Courtney Coupe is the head of Great Big Story, a cinematic storytelling unit of CNN. Since it launched in 2015, Great Big Story has produced countless mini-documentaries, primarily distributed on Youtube. Courtney discusses how Great Big Story has honed their brand, why she thinks certain stories go viral, and why they turn down 80% of incoming pitches, even from their own producers.

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Johnny Harris is a multimedia journalist at Vox. His show, Borders, is an international documentary series that explores people and culture at various border areas. Johnny also makes videos for his personal YouTube page, where he posts career advice and other musings.

Johnny called in from his home in Washington DC to discuss how he was able to successfully pitch and execute Borders, his run-and-gun shooting style, and the benefits of working under pressure.

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Ed Ou is a visual journalist at NBC Left Field. He started his career as a teenager, shooting in the Middle East for Reuters and the Associated Press. He then worked for the New York Times covering East Africa and the Middle East during the 2011 Arab Spring uprisings. Ed now makes videos and short documentaries for NBC. He lives in NYC but is originally from Canada.

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Glen Zipper is a documentary producer based in Los Angeles. One of his first films, Undefeated, won the Academy Award for Best Documentary in 2012. His more recent work includes the Netflix docu-series, Dogs, and the 2-part HBO documentary, What’s My Name: Muhammad Ali.

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Pamela B. Green directed and produced Be Natural: The Untold Story of Alice Guy-Blaché, a documentary about the first female filmmaker. For her day job, Green produces movie trailers and other marketing materials for films.

Be Natural appeared at festivals including Cannes, BFI, NYFF, and made its U.S. theatrical debut in April 2019.

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Meghan Oretsky is a curator at Vimeo, selecting videos for its Staff Picks page. She also founded Ladies with Lenses, a Vimeo channel and NYC-based screening series featuring women filmmakers. Meghan lives and works in NYC.

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Rachel Lears is a documentary producer and director based in New York. Her latest film, Knock Down the House, follows four female grassroots candidates, including Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, as they take on establishment candidates in the 2018 primaries. Knock Down the House won the Festival Favorite Award at Sundance and debuted on Netflix on May 1. Rachel’s last film, The Hand That Feeds was nominated for an Emmy in 2017, broadcast on PBS, and won awards and recognition at Full Frame, DOC NYC, AFI Docs, and numerous other festivals on the 2014-15 circuit. In both films, Rachel collaborated with her husband Robin Blotnick.

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What exactly does a film distributor do? And do filmmakers even need a distributor? Dan Berger, the president of Oscilloscope films answers all our burning questions about documentary film distribution—from what to do with a short doc, to what distribution companies are looking for in a film, to why certain films do better on Amazon than iTunes.

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Mickey Duzyj is a sports illustrator and director living in upstate New York. His award-winning ESPN 30 for 30 short "The Shining Star of Losers Everywhere" was adapted in to the Netflix Docu-series, “Losers”, which premiered in March 2019. Mickey was the Director, Illustrator and an Executive Producer on "Losers".

Mona Panchal is the Vice President of Digital at First Look Media, primarily focusing on producing non-fiction programming for Topic Studios. She produced “The Shining Star of Losers Everywhere" and was an Executive Producer on “Losers”.

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Nausheen Dadabhoy is a Pakistani-American cinematographer from Southern California. She has been a Director of Photography on a handful of documentary features and spent 9 years making her own film, The Ground Beneath Their Feet.

Nausheen was, at one time, the only female cinematographer in Pakistan, and she opens up about the challenges she faced working in a patriarchal environment. Nausheen also discusses why choosing the right collaborators and building a strong team is crucial to filmmaking.

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Alexandria Bombach is a cinematographer, editor and director from Santa Fe, New Mexico. Her feature-length documentary ON HER SHOULDERS follows Nadia Murad, a 23-year-old Yazidi woman who survived genocide and sexual slavery by ISIS. Now free, Nadia must navigate the bureaucracy and fame of being a human rights figure.

Bombach gives insight on how filmmakers and the media should portray stories of trauma. She also explains her decision to produce, shoot and edit all her own films.

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Jon Kasbe is a documentary filmmaker based in New York. His new film, When Lambs Become Lions won Best Editing in Tribeca Film Festival’s Documentary competition.

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Erin Lee Carr is a New York-based director, producer and writer. Her debut film, Thought Crimes, premiered at the Tribeca Film Festival and Hot Docs in 2015 and aired on HBO that May. Her hit film Mommy Dead and Dearest had its world premiere at SXSW and Hot Docs Film Festival in 2017 and aired on HBO May 15, 2017. Variety named Erin one of 10 "documentarians to watch" in 2015, and she was included in Forbes 30 under 30 in media in 2018. Erin’s debut book “All That You Leave Behind” is set to be published June 2019. She is in post-production on a two-part HBO series about the Michelle Carter "murder by texting" scandal as well as for her fourth feature “At The Heart of Gold.”

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Spencer Chumbley is a freelance non-fiction cinematographer and producer focused on news and documentary. He has extensive field experience working in hostile and sensitive environments for production focused on human rights, conflict and social justice. In 2018, segments Chumbley filmed for VICE News Tonight on HBO were nominated for the News and Documentary Emmy Awards. He was a segment director of photography for the program's coverage of Libya - nominated for Outstanding Continuing Coverage of a News Story in a Newscast. Additionally he was a contributing cinematographer for their news special "The Inauguration of Donald Trump" nominated for Outstanding News Special.

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