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The Vergecast

Hello! This is The Vergecast, the flagship podcast of The Verge... and your life. Every Friday, Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, and Paul Miller make sense of the week's tech news with help from our diverse and wide-ranging staff. And on Tuesdays, Nilay hosts in-depth, one-on-one interviews with major technology leaders. Join us every week for a fun, deeply nerdy, often off-the-rails conversation about what's happening now (and next) in technology and gadgets. And, remember, promo code. Produced by The Verge and the Vox Media Podcast Network.


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Death, fear, and anxiety at Facebook?s worst-performing content moderation site in North America

Earlier this year, The Verge?s Casey Newton broke the story about the working conditions of Facebook moderators at a campus in Phoenix, AZ In his feature, ?The Trauma Floor,? In his follow-up reporting ?Bodies in Seats,? he discovered that the pattern of severe workplace conditions extends to a second campus. Nilay Patel and Casey Newton discuss a workplace in Tampa, FL plagued by fear and anxiety and worse.

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Facebook executives Adam Mosseri and Andrew Bosworth on splitting up Facebook, privacy and more

Facebook executives Adam Mosseri and Andrew Bosworth sit down with The Verge?s Casey Newton at Code Conference to discuss antitrust and the prospect of breaking up Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp. They also discuss Facebook Portal, and how the company is adopting new approaches to privacy, content moderation, and more.
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Introducing Nice Try! Utopian

Nice Try! is a new podcast from Curbed and the Vox Media Podcast Network that explores stories of people who have tried to design a better world, and what happens when those designs don't go according to plan. Season one, Utopian, follows Avery Trufelman on her quest to understand the perpetual search for the perfect place. Enjoy this special preview of the first episode, Jamestown: Utopian for Whom, and subscribe to Nice Try! for free in your favorite podcast app.
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Recapping Code Conference, Youtube?s CEO apologizes, and the Pixel 4 leaks

Fresh off of Code Conference, Nilay, Dieter, and Paul discuss YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki?s apology and difficult week, and consider whether there?s any viable alternative to Youtube. They also discuss the leaked photo of the upcoming Pixel 4. And later, a recap of what happened at E3 includes video game and hardware updates.

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Beyond Meat CEO Ethan Brown on sustainable food systems and the science of protein

Fresh off his IPO, Beyond Meat CEO Ethan Brown joins Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel to discuss the evolution of plant-based burgers, the science of protein, why his company avoids GMOs, and their mission to help create a more sustainable food system.
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YouTube?s bad week: pedophiles, hate speech, and Steven Crowder

There was so much news this week that we had to add another Vergecast episode to cover it all. Besides Apple?s WWDC, the most important story in The Verge?s coverage has been the various crises YouTube is facing over its moderation policies ? problems with hate speech and harassment, pedophiles on the platform, and white supremacist content.

Verge editor-in-chiefand Vergecast co-hostNilay Patel invites Silicon Valley editor Casey Newton and senior reporter Adi Robertson to the show to explain what is happening on YouTube, how YouTube is handling it, and the outrage cycle surrounding it. 
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WWDC 2019, a new Mac Pro, and updates to the iPad

This week Apple held their annual Worldwide Developers Conference (WWDC).  The Verge's Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, and Paul Miller discuss everything announced ? from the Mac Pro to iOS to iPadOS.
Also, Google gave some updates on their new Stadia game service right before the show so the crew dives into that as well as the Palm Pre 10th anniversary.

Stories discussed this week:

-The Palm Pre launched 10 years ago today, here?s what it meant to me
-Apple?s $5,000 Pro Display monitor doesn?t come with a stand in the box
-Apple announces all-new redesigned Mac Pro, starting at $5,999
-Does the iPad make sense as a computer now?
-Apple knows that iPad mouse support has broad appeal
-iPadOS should make the iPad a better tablet, but not a laptop
-Sidecar lets you use your iPad as a second display for your Mac
-Apple reveals iPadOS for iPad with new home screen widgets and multitasking improvements
-Apple Maps is getting its own version of Google Maps? Street View
-House lawmakers launch antitrust investigation into Big Tech
-Apple announces new sign-in tool to compete with Facebook and Google
-Apple will permanently remove Dashboard in macOS Catalina
-Apple CarPlay getting design refresh and better Siri support in iOS 13
-Apple TV and iOS will soon support Xbox One and PS4 controllers
-Apple?s HomePod speaker will be able to recognize who?s speaking to it with iOS 13
-Apple enables HomeKit support for home security cameras and routers
-Apple wants to save your hearing and track your menstrual cycle with new Apple Watch update
- Google?s Stadia game service is officially coming November: Everything you need to know 
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The ethics of AI with Google's AI lead Jeff Dean

What are tech giants like Google doing to tackle the ethical issues that surround artificial intelligence? Verge senior reporter James Vincent speaks with Google AI lead Jeff Dean and Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel about AI bias, facial recognition, and government regulation around AI.
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How technology is changing music with Switched on Pop?s Charlie Harding and Nate Sloan

Switched on Pop hosts Charlie Harding and Nate Sloan join Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel to unpack how technology is changing the distribution, making, and sound of popular music. 
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Huawei, 5G, and Robocalls with FCC Commissioner Geoffrey Starks

FCC Commissioner Geoffrey Starks stops by to discuss Huawei, regulating robocalls, net neutrality, the race for 5G and more with The Verge?s Nilay Patel and Makena Kelly.

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OnePlus 7 Pro review, the White House's censorship tool, and more streaming wars

The lawyer who won against Apple at the Supreme Court

Apple just lost a case at the Supreme Court, and an antitrust lawsuit claiming that the App Store is a monopoly will proceed. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel and senior reporter Adi Robertson speak to Mark Rifkin, one of the lawyers who argued the case against Apple.Subscribe to the Vergecast here for free in your favorite podcast appFor more on this case, check out Adi Robertson's recent work on The Verge 
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Google I/O and the future of Android with Google SVP Hiroshi Lockheimer and Android Director Stephanie Cuthbertson

Google's I/O conference in Mountain View, California, the Vergecast crew chats with Hiroshi Lockheimer, SVP at Google for Android, Chrome, Chrome OS, Play, comms and photos, and Stephanie Cuthbertson, director of Android to the show to talk new products such as the Pixel and Nest line, messaging, and of course Android.

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Luminary and the podcast wars to come, with Nick Quah and Ashley Carman

The Podcast Wars are coming. After Luminary?s troubled launch, The Verge?s Nilay Patel and Ashley Carman sit-down with podcast expert Nick Quah of Hot Pod to discuss if Luminary or anyone could be ?the Netflix of podcasts? and where the industry is headed.
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WWDC leaks, Luminary?s launch troubles, and Galaxy Fold review

After a week of Galaxy Fold troubles, The Verge's Dieter Bohn, Ashley Carman, and Paul Miller continue the foldable saga, along with drama with the new podcast app Luminary. We've also got some leaks from Apple's upcoming WWDC event and a rumored Pixel 3a from Google I/O so keep listening to stay informed. 

Stories this week: Samsung Galaxy Fold review: broken dreamSamsung delays Galaxy Fold indefinitely: ?We will take measures to strengthen the display?AT&T is now telling customers the Galaxy Fold will ship on June 13thiFixit?s Galaxy Fold teardown reveals its biggest design flawPodcast wars: $100 million startup Luminary launches Tuesday ?iPad ImportiPad Windowing, dark modeiPad external DisplaySiri Intents & Siri ShortcutsOnePlus 7 Pro launch event set for May 14thThe OnePlus 7 Pro will have a 'breakthrough' display and 5GGoogle's Pixel 3 and Pixel 3a may come to T-Mobile Google teases new Pixel announcement for May 7th 
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Aurora CEO Chris Urmson on what's next for self-driving cars

Aurora CEO Chris Urmson stops by to discuss the future of self-driving cars with The Verge's Nilay Patel and Andrew Hawkins. They explore how the industry has evolved over the years, and how long it will take before self-driving cars are commonly used on the road.

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Samsung's Galaxy Fold phones are breaking

The Samsung Galaxy Fold is here ? and it?s already breaking. The Verge?s Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, and Paul Miller talk first impressions of Samsung?s new phone. Later, they discuss the end of the feud and lawsuits between Apple and Qualcomm and more.
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The electric scooter revolution with Lime co-founder Brad Bao

Lime co-founder Brad Bao explains how the electric scooter revolution will evolve. The Verge's Nilay Patel and Andrew Hawkins discuss the seemingly overnight emergence of electric scooters in cities across the country. They explore the tension scooters can create and ponder the future of urban mobility.

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Foxxconn's empty innovation centers and a blackhole photo revealed

Jaron Lanier's ideas for the future

Computer philosophy writer and "founding father of virtual reality," Jaron Lanier, chats with Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel about why he's optimistic about the future. Lanier shares his thoughts on how the "manipulation economy" has reshaped the world we live in and why we should be controlling and profiting from our own data.

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Figuring out Apple's TV plans with Recode?s Peter Kafka

Will Apple's new foray into streaming be able to swim in the same waters as Netflix and Disney, or will it go the way of Verizon's Go90? Recode executive editor Peter Kafka and Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel discuss Apple's plan for streaming, news, and more.

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The Age of Surveillance Capitalism with Shoshana Zuboff

The age of surveillance capitalism author Shoshana Zuboff considers whether "data is the new oil" and explains how data collection has fundamentally changed the economy and how big companies interact with consumers. Shoshana Zuboff breaks down how to define, understand and fight surveillance capitalism.
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Apple's new iPad mini and Google's Stadia gaming platform

A rundown of Apple's latest product updates including the new iPad mini, iPad Air, and AirPods. The Vergecast crew Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, and Paul Miller also discuss Apple's upcoming event on Monday and what their new services may contain.

Second half of the show features Google's announcement of their new game streaming platform Stadia.

- Facebook stored hundreds of millions of passwords in plain text
- Apple updates $399 iPad mini with Apple Pencil support
-Apple?s new iPad mini is a terrific small tablet with no competition
-Apple brings back the iPad Air with 10.5-inch display and Smart Keyboard support
-Apple?s new AirPods come with a wireless charging case, Hey Siri support, and more battery life
-Apple will let you add 256GB of RAM to an iMac Pro for $5,200-Apple updates iMacs with new Intel processors and AMD GPUs
-A brand-new AirPower image has appeared on Apple?s Australian site-What to expect from Apple?s TV and news service event
-Apple?s plan for its new TV service: Sell other people?s TV services
-Here are the shows and films coming to Apple?s streaming service
- Is this robotic therapy pet the uncanny valley of dog?-Google unveils Stadia cloud gaming service, launches in 2019
-Google Stadia uses a custom AMD chip to offer 10.7 teraflops of cloud gaming power-Oculus unveils the Rift S, a higher-resolution VR headset with built-in tracking

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The future of Facebook and democracy with Casey Newton and Alex Stamos

Facebook's former chief security officer Alex Stamos joined Casey Newton onstage at SXSW to discuss the difficult issues that plague Facebook and democracy.

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Introducing Switched on Pop

Check out Switched on Pop, a podcast that digs into the musical theory and cultural context of pop music. In this episode, hosts Charlie Harding and Nate Sloan explore how streaming changed the sound of pop music. 
For more from Switched on Pop, subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. 
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Breaking up Apple, Google, Amazon, and Facebook

How would we break up the world?s most powerful companies? Live from SXSW, The Verge's Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, Casey Newton, and Ashley Carman discuss just how one would break up giants like Amazon, Apple, Facebook, and Google.

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Facebook's privacy pivot and the streaming wars

Breaking down Mark Zuckerberg?s letter on Facebook about its privacy-focused future. The Verge's Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn,  Julia Alexander, Casey Newton, and Paul Miller discuss Facebooks new pivot to privacy, the next move for HBO after the AT&T restructure, and YouTube's bad actors. 

Stories from this episode: The president just called the CEO of Apple ?Tim Apple?Read Mark Zuckerberg's letter on Facebook's privacy-focused future ?Mark Zuckerberg promises a newer, more private Facebook Facebook knows Facebook isn't the futureFacebook's pivot to privacy has huge implications ? if it's realThe messy details behind Facebook?s messaging plansHBO CEO Richard Plepler is leaving the company amid AT&T ?AT&T's new HBO chief criticizes Netflix, says it 'doesn't have a brand ?AT&T just made its first huge changes to HBO and the rest of ?Game of Thrones' final season trailer prepares us for the biggest fight ?Disney is ending its vault program, giving Disney+ a huge boost in the streaming warsHow baseball?s tech team built the future of televisionDying social robot Jibo goes out with a song and a danceYouTube is demonetizing all videos about Momo YouTube's family vloggers worry about future amid comments ?YouTube terminates more than 400 channels following controversy ?YouTube is 'aggressively approaching' solution to child exploitation

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Can Anchor be the Youtube for podcasts? And should they?

Anchor CEO Michael Mignano discusses the company's recent acquisition by Spotify, the future of podcasting, and whether Anchor could become the "YouTube for podcasts." The Verge's Nilay Patel and Ashley Carman talk to Mignano about the current difficulties the podcast industry faces along with possible solutions for discovery and questioning what to do with the RSS feed.
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Mobile World Congress: How should your foldable phone fold?

The latest news from Mobile World Congress including Huawei's new foldable phone, Nokia's five-camera phone, and Sony's very tall phone.

The Verge's Nilay Patel, Dan Seifert, Paul Miller, Natt Garun, and Chaim Gartenberg discuss which foldable phone so far has the best design, what phone can actually get 5G, and Microsoft's updated headset the HoloLens 2.

Stories discussed this episode:

- Huawei has the best first draft for a foldable phone
- This 18,000mAh battery has a phone in it
- Sony?s Xperia 1 literally stands out from the crowd with a super tall screen
- LG enters the 5G game with the V50 ThinQ
- LG?s palm-reading G8 has a unique vision of the future
- LG?s answer to the foldable mania is a second screen
- The Nokia 9 PureView has five cameras and a lot to prove
- Motorola confirms its foldable phone is coming, and it could look like a RAZR
- HoloLens 2: inside Microsoft's new headset
- A closer look at Microsoft?s new Kinect sensor
- USB 3.2 standard gets new, even more confusing names ahead of its mainstream debut

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Casey Newton on the secret life of Facebook moderators

In ?The Trauma Floor,? The Verge?s Casey Newton uncovered the horrendous working conditions for contract Facebook moderators. On this week?s Vergecast, he and editor-in-chief Nilay Patel discuss how he uncovered them.
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Foursquare is tracking you... responsibly

CEO of Foursquare Jeff Glueck discusses the ethics of companies that track their users? movements. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel and Glueck further explore Foursquare's aim to help its customers become less reliant on mapping companies like Google, and how responsibly managing a user?s data and privacy is not only the right thing to do, but good for business.
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Bill Gates on solving the world?s problems? and building a better toilet

Bill Gates and Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel discuss the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation?s ambitious plans to improve health in poor countries, build better toilets, gather better data about women, and rethink taxes on the wealthy.
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5G madness: why is Sprint suing AT&T?

Sprint is suing AT&T for falsely advertising its network as "5G." Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel chats with Sprint's legal counsel, Craig Whitney, about why Sprint is suing AT&T and why no one can seem to agree on what 5G is.

Sprint is suing AT&T over '5G E' lies

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Lina Khan on Amazon?s Antitrust Paradox

Should we break up Amazon and Facebook? Columbia Law School academic fellow Lina Khan, who wrote the impactful ?Amazon?s Antitrust Paradox" for The Yale Law Journal, joins Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel to discuss whether Amazon and Facebook should be broken up and what it might look like if that were to happen.
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Apple goes to war with Facebook and Google

Apple has disabled Facebook and Google?s internal applications after privacy violations were revealed, leaving Google and Facebook employees at a standstill for key operations. Meanwhile, in other Apple news, the tech giant?s revenue declined over the holiday quarter and is reportedly testing new iPhones with three rear cameras and a USB-C port.
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Fixing America?s internet, with Susan Crawford

Harvard Law School professor Susan Crawford explains how America?s internet connectivity issues and corrosive infrastructure are holding the country back and how we can rally to fix it. She and Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel also discuss the Huawei scandal, politicians' roles in improving broadband internet, and her new book Fiber: The Coming Tech Revolution?and Why America Might Miss It.

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More Galaxy S10 leaks and Sonos headphones

The Samsung Galaxy S10 continues to leak, indicating that it may have a headphone jack, a hole-punch display, and a cryptocurrency wallet.

But that?s not all. We also saw some new concepts for foldable phones, a rumor about Sonos headphones, and theories on Google?s secret Fuchsia operating system.

So this week on The Vergecast, Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, and Paul Miller run through all of that and then some, which you can listen to right now.

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Pixel 3 Lite leaks, Apple releases new battery cases, and Samsung readies the S10

This week on The Vergecast, Nilay, Paul, and Dieter run through a week of gadget news. Images of the Google Pixel 3 ?Lite? and the Samsung Galaxy S10 have leaked, starting up a new season of phone releases. The crew also looks forward to what Google will do with its investment in Fossil?s smartwatch tech, Microsoft?s experiment with foldable devices, and how the Federal Trade Commission will react to Tim Cook?s call to give consumers more privacy.

There?s a whole lot more in this week?s episode ? including Paul?s weekly segment ?Please replace magenta? ? so listen to it all to stay informed.

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August CEO Jason Johnson on opening the smart home of the future

Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel chats with August CEO Jason Johnson about smart locks and the challenges of integrating various technologies within a smart home. They discuss whether every company needs to be a data collection company, and why it's so difficult to be a hardware company in tech.
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CES: Google vs. Alexa and the latest 5G delusion

More from CES with The Verge?s Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, Dami Lee, and Dan Seifert who talk through the ongoing developments in voice assistant technology and the continuing rivalry between Google Assistant and Amazon?s Alexa. They also discuss a range of gadgets from the showroom floor such as Alienware's Area51m laptop to a laundry-folding robot as well as Verizon?s shots fired at AT&T over their 5G claim. 2:05 - Tim Cook says Apple will ?announce new services this year? 8:02 - Google?s plan to take on Alexa: new features, new devices, and a Trojan horse 9:25 - We finally heard Google Assistant work on Sonos speakers 12:01 - Google Assistant?s new interpreter mode can translate conversations ? but it?s not magic 15:06 - Google Assistant is coming for your car with new hands-free voice control from Anker and JBL 27:05 - Foldimate?s laundry-folding machine actually works now 31:24 - Wacom?s $649 Cintiq 16 bridges the gap between hobbyists and pros 38:16 - BOCCO emo 42:05 - The Alienware Area-51m is a full-fledged desktop disguised as a laptop 42:23 - Lenovo?s new Yoga S940 is all about its impressive display 49:12 - Verizon says it won?t launch fake 5G icons like AT&T did
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