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The Vergecast

The Vergecast

Hello! This is The Vergecast, the flagship podcast of The Verge... and your life. Every Friday, Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, and Paul Miller make sense of the week's tech news with help from our diverse and wide-ranging staff. And on Tuesdays, Nilay hosts in-depth, one-on-one interviews with major technology leaders. Join us every week for a fun, deeply nerdy, often off-the-rails conversation about what's happening now (and next) in technology and gadgets.


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Galaxy Note 10 Plus review, Apple fall lineup rumors, and green bubble Giphys

Sen. Michael Bennet talks tech in the next election

The Verge's Makena Kelly and Nilay Patel sit down with senator and presidential candidate Michael Bennet to discuss his new book "Dividing America"
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Exclusive: Matt Mullenweg and Automattic bought Tumblr. What?s next?

Automattic just bought Tumblr from Verizon for reportedly 3 million dollars. CEO of Automattic Matt Mullenweg sits down with The Verge's Julia Alexander and Nilay Patel for this emergency episode of the Vergecast to share what his plans are for the micro-blogging platform. 
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TechFreedom's Berin Szóka on bad tech policy

This week on the Vergecast interview series, The Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel sits down with Berin Szóka, the president of TechFreedom. TechFreedom is a tech policy think tank based in Washington, DC that ?digs deep into the hard policy and legal questions raised by technological change.?

Berin and Nilay have differed on a few issues regarding tech policy, like net neutrality, but what they do agree on is the state of the tech policy conversation ? it?s bad. Szóka says Republicans he has previously worked with are now getting important topics like Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act wrong, and bad-faith politicians are misinterpreting it to try to score points and pass policy in their favor.

Hear Berin talk about what?s happening now with legislation like Sen. Josh Hawley?s platform moderation bills, why it?s weird for conservatives to want to directly regulate speech on the internet, and how this might play out in the future. Below is a lightly edited excerpt of the conversation.

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Being hopeful about the web with Paul Ford

This week on the interview episode of The Vergecast, editor of cheif of The Verge Nilay Patel sits down with CEO of Postlight Paul Ford.

Paul Ford co-founded Postlight in 2015 and is a writer, product strategist, educator, programmer, and software consultant.

If you read a lot of tech writing, you probably know Paul?s name. In 2015, Ford wrote an entire issue of Bloomberg?s Business Week titled ?What is code??  which colorfully explained how programming works on the web for people who don?t do it. Recently, he wrote a piece in Wired about how we should still be hopeful and excited about tech and what it can still do for us.

Theres a lot of negative conversation about tech lately ? regulating huge companies, what Facebook and Amazon are doing wrong ? but from someone who builds things for the web, Paul brings an optimistic look at how tech can positively and creatively impact our lives in a fun and exciting way.

Paul comes in to talk about his hopefulness, his piece in Wired, the state of building stuff for the web, and  how people think about tech today. 

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Mark Cuban on why AI is the future and Facebook?s Libra isn?t

Billionaire businessman Mark Cuban stops by to discuss his views on artificial intelligence, net neutrality, breaking up Big Tech, investment opportunities he?s excited about, and why he thinks Facebook?s Libra is dangerous. 

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Why everyone hates Big Tech with Matt Yglesias of The Weeds

Vox Senior Correspondent and host of The Weeds Matt Yglesias joins Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel in this special crossover episode to explain what Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, which allows platforms to circumnavigate liability for user content, really means. They also discuss Elizabeth Warren?s proposal to break up big tech platforms, and how it may or may not fix anything.

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Everything is too hard to use, with Asurion CEO Tony Detter

Everything is too complicated. Asurion CEO Tony Detter joins Verge editor-in-chief, Nilay Patel to discuss simplifying our experience with tech products, the problems with closed eco-systems and why an insurance company like Asurion got involved with tech support.
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Net neutrality was repealed a year ago. Gigi Sohn explains what?s happened since

It's been a year since net neutrality was repealed. Gigi Sohn, a distinguished fellow at Georgetown Law's Institute for Technology Law and Policy, chats with Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel about what's happened since by explaining the ripple effect of harmful policy decisions and more.
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Mourning a robot with Ashley Carman and Kaitlyn Tiffany of 'Why'd You Push That Button?'

What happens when your robot friend dies? Ashley Carman and Kaitlyn Tiffany of Why'd You Push That Button? explore the grieving community surrounding the short-lived social robot Jibo.
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Why big companies will never get content management right, with UCLA?s Sarah T Roberts

Behind the screen: content moderation in the shadows of social media author Sarah T Roberts joins Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel to discuss the business and dark side of content moderation while pondering future solutions. 
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Jony Ive leaving Apple, iPadOS public beta, and Bill Gates? greatest mistake

Kara Swisher on Silicon Valley?s lack of competition

Recode editor-at-large Kara Swisher joins Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel to discuss the possibilities of breaking up big tech companies like Google, Apple, Facebook, and Amazon. Kara also explains how the dominance of these four giant companies harms competition and innovation in Silicon Valley and why tech companies should be doing more to help.

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Death, fear, and anxiety at Facebook?s worst-performing content moderation site in North America

Earlier this year, The Verge?s Casey Newton broke the story about the working conditions of Facebook moderators at a campus in Phoenix, AZ In his feature, ?The Trauma Floor,? In his follow-up reporting ?Bodies in Seats,? he discovered that the pattern of severe workplace conditions extends to a second campus. Nilay Patel and Casey Newton discuss a workplace in Tampa, FL plagued by fear and anxiety and worse.

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Facebook executives Adam Mosseri and Andrew Bosworth on splitting up Facebook, privacy and more

Facebook executives Adam Mosseri and Andrew Bosworth sit down with The Verge?s Casey Newton at Code Conference to discuss antitrust and the prospect of breaking up Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp. They also discuss Facebook Portal, and how the company is adopting new approaches to privacy, content moderation, and more.
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Introducing Nice Try! Utopian

Nice Try! is a new podcast from Curbed and the Vox Media Podcast Network that explores stories of people who have tried to design a better world, and what happens when those designs don't go according to plan. Season one, Utopian, follows Avery Trufelman on her quest to understand the perpetual search for the perfect place. Enjoy this special preview of the first episode, Jamestown: Utopian for Whom, and subscribe to Nice Try! for free in your favorite podcast app.
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Recapping Code Conference, Youtube?s CEO apologizes, and the Pixel 4 leaks

Fresh off of Code Conference, Nilay, Dieter, and Paul discuss YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki?s apology and difficult week, and consider whether there?s any viable alternative to Youtube. They also discuss the leaked photo of the upcoming Pixel 4. And later, a recap of what happened at E3 includes video game and hardware updates.

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Beyond Meat CEO Ethan Brown on sustainable food systems and the science of protein

Fresh off his IPO, Beyond Meat CEO Ethan Brown joins Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel to discuss the evolution of plant-based burgers, the science of protein, why his company avoids GMOs, and their mission to help create a more sustainable food system.
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YouTube?s bad week: pedophiles, hate speech, and Steven Crowder

There was so much news this week that we had to add another Vergecast episode to cover it all. Besides Apple?s WWDC, the most important story in The Verge?s coverage has been the various crises YouTube is facing over its moderation policies ? problems with hate speech and harassment, pedophiles on the platform, and white supremacist content.

Verge editor-in-chiefand Vergecast co-hostNilay Patel invites Silicon Valley editor Casey Newton and senior reporter Adi Robertson to the show to explain what is happening on YouTube, how YouTube is handling it, and the outrage cycle surrounding it. 
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WWDC 2019, a new Mac Pro, and updates to the iPad

This week Apple held their annual Worldwide Developers Conference (WWDC).  The Verge's Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, and Paul Miller discuss everything announced ? from the Mac Pro to iOS to iPadOS.
Also, Google gave some updates on their new Stadia game service right before the show so the crew dives into that as well as the Palm Pre 10th anniversary.

Stories discussed this week:

-The Palm Pre launched 10 years ago today, here?s what it meant to me
-Apple?s $5,000 Pro Display monitor doesn?t come with a stand in the box
-Apple announces all-new redesigned Mac Pro, starting at $5,999
-Does the iPad make sense as a computer now?
-Apple knows that iPad mouse support has broad appeal
-iPadOS should make the iPad a better tablet, but not a laptop
-Sidecar lets you use your iPad as a second display for your Mac
-Apple reveals iPadOS for iPad with new home screen widgets and multitasking improvements
-Apple Maps is getting its own version of Google Maps? Street View
-House lawmakers launch antitrust investigation into Big Tech
-Apple announces new sign-in tool to compete with Facebook and Google
-Apple will permanently remove Dashboard in macOS Catalina
-Apple CarPlay getting design refresh and better Siri support in iOS 13
-Apple TV and iOS will soon support Xbox One and PS4 controllers
-Apple?s HomePod speaker will be able to recognize who?s speaking to it with iOS 13
-Apple enables HomeKit support for home security cameras and routers
-Apple wants to save your hearing and track your menstrual cycle with new Apple Watch update
- Google?s Stadia game service is officially coming November: Everything you need to know 
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The ethics of AI with Google's AI lead Jeff Dean

What are tech giants like Google doing to tackle the ethical issues that surround artificial intelligence? Verge senior reporter James Vincent speaks with Google AI lead Jeff Dean and Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel about AI bias, facial recognition, and government regulation around AI.
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How technology is changing music with Switched on Pop?s Charlie Harding and Nate Sloan

Switched on Pop hosts Charlie Harding and Nate Sloan join Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel to unpack how technology is changing the distribution, making, and sound of popular music. 
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Huawei, 5G, and Robocalls with FCC Commissioner Geoffrey Starks

FCC Commissioner Geoffrey Starks stops by to discuss Huawei, regulating robocalls, net neutrality, the race for 5G and more with The Verge?s Nilay Patel and Makena Kelly.

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OnePlus 7 Pro review, the White House's censorship tool, and more streaming wars

The lawyer who won against Apple at the Supreme Court

Apple just lost a case at the Supreme Court, and an antitrust lawsuit claiming that the App Store is a monopoly will proceed. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel and senior reporter Adi Robertson speak to Mark Rifkin, one of the lawyers who argued the case against Apple.Subscribe to the Vergecast here for free in your favorite podcast appFor more on this case, check out Adi Robertson's recent work on The Verge 
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Google I/O and the future of Android with Google SVP Hiroshi Lockheimer and Android Director Stephanie Cuthbertson

Google's I/O conference in Mountain View, California, the Vergecast crew chats with Hiroshi Lockheimer, SVP at Google for Android, Chrome, Chrome OS, Play, comms and photos, and Stephanie Cuthbertson, director of Android to the show to talk new products such as the Pixel and Nest line, messaging, and of course Android.

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Luminary and the podcast wars to come, with Nick Quah and Ashley Carman

The Podcast Wars are coming. After Luminary?s troubled launch, The Verge?s Nilay Patel and Ashley Carman sit-down with podcast expert Nick Quah of Hot Pod to discuss if Luminary or anyone could be ?the Netflix of podcasts? and where the industry is headed.
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WWDC leaks, Luminary?s launch troubles, and Galaxy Fold review

After a week of Galaxy Fold troubles, The Verge's Dieter Bohn, Ashley Carman, and Paul Miller continue the foldable saga, along with drama with the new podcast app Luminary. We've also got some leaks from Apple's upcoming WWDC event and a rumored Pixel 3a from Google I/O so keep listening to stay informed. 

Stories this week: Samsung Galaxy Fold review: broken dreamSamsung delays Galaxy Fold indefinitely: ?We will take measures to strengthen the display?AT&T is now telling customers the Galaxy Fold will ship on June 13thiFixit?s Galaxy Fold teardown reveals its biggest design flawPodcast wars: $100 million startup Luminary launches Tuesday ?iPad ImportiPad Windowing, dark modeiPad external DisplaySiri Intents & Siri ShortcutsOnePlus 7 Pro launch event set for May 14thThe OnePlus 7 Pro will have a 'breakthrough' display and 5GGoogle's Pixel 3 and Pixel 3a may come to T-Mobile Google teases new Pixel announcement for May 7th 
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Aurora CEO Chris Urmson on what's next for self-driving cars

Aurora CEO Chris Urmson stops by to discuss the future of self-driving cars with The Verge's Nilay Patel and Andrew Hawkins. They explore how the industry has evolved over the years, and how long it will take before self-driving cars are commonly used on the road.

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Samsung's Galaxy Fold phones are breaking

The Samsung Galaxy Fold is here ? and it?s already breaking. The Verge?s Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, and Paul Miller talk first impressions of Samsung?s new phone. Later, they discuss the end of the feud and lawsuits between Apple and Qualcomm and more.
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The electric scooter revolution with Lime co-founder Brad Bao

Lime co-founder Brad Bao explains how the electric scooter revolution will evolve. The Verge's Nilay Patel and Andrew Hawkins discuss the seemingly overnight emergence of electric scooters in cities across the country. They explore the tension scooters can create and ponder the future of urban mobility.

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Foxxconn's empty innovation centers and a blackhole photo revealed

Jaron Lanier's ideas for the future

Computer philosophy writer and "founding father of virtual reality," Jaron Lanier, chats with Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel about why he's optimistic about the future. Lanier shares his thoughts on how the "manipulation economy" has reshaped the world we live in and why we should be controlling and profiting from our own data.

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Figuring out Apple's TV plans with Recode?s Peter Kafka

Will Apple's new foray into streaming be able to swim in the same waters as Netflix and Disney, or will it go the way of Verizon's Go90? Recode executive editor Peter Kafka and Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel discuss Apple's plan for streaming, news, and more.

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The Age of Surveillance Capitalism with Shoshana Zuboff

The age of surveillance capitalism author Shoshana Zuboff considers whether "data is the new oil" and explains how data collection has fundamentally changed the economy and how big companies interact with consumers. Shoshana Zuboff breaks down how to define, understand and fight surveillance capitalism.
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Apple's new iPad mini and Google's Stadia gaming platform

A rundown of Apple's latest product updates including the new iPad mini, iPad Air, and AirPods. The Vergecast crew Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, and Paul Miller also discuss Apple's upcoming event on Monday and what their new services may contain.

Second half of the show features Google's announcement of their new game streaming platform Stadia.

- Facebook stored hundreds of millions of passwords in plain text
- Apple updates $399 iPad mini with Apple Pencil support
-Apple?s new iPad mini is a terrific small tablet with no competition
-Apple brings back the iPad Air with 10.5-inch display and Smart Keyboard support
-Apple?s new AirPods come with a wireless charging case, Hey Siri support, and more battery life
-Apple will let you add 256GB of RAM to an iMac Pro for $5,200-Apple updates iMacs with new Intel processors and AMD GPUs
-A brand-new AirPower image has appeared on Apple?s Australian site-What to expect from Apple?s TV and news service event
-Apple?s plan for its new TV service: Sell other people?s TV services
-Here are the shows and films coming to Apple?s streaming service
- Is this robotic therapy pet the uncanny valley of dog?-Google unveils Stadia cloud gaming service, launches in 2019
-Google Stadia uses a custom AMD chip to offer 10.7 teraflops of cloud gaming power-Oculus unveils the Rift S, a higher-resolution VR headset with built-in tracking

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The future of Facebook and democracy with Casey Newton and Alex Stamos

Facebook's former chief security officer Alex Stamos joined Casey Newton onstage at SXSW to discuss the difficult issues that plague Facebook and democracy.

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Introducing Switched on Pop

Check out Switched on Pop, a podcast that digs into the musical theory and cultural context of pop music. In this episode, hosts Charlie Harding and Nate Sloan explore how streaming changed the sound of pop music. 
For more from Switched on Pop, subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. 
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