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#110 - Decisions, Not Data: Why Research needs Organizational Readiness with Erika Hall

10 december 2024 | 56 min

One of the most revered names in research and design, Erika Hall, Co-founder of Mule Design, joins us on this podcast to challenge the role of research as we know it.

In this episode, she shares deep insights into the challenges of navigating research in complexity, and, on the backbone of systems thinking, offers thought-provoking perspectives addressing the growing tensions between investor-driven narratives and evidence-based practices.

She brings forth some hard truths on how organizations cherry-pick data to justify decisions; and uses this to help us understand why a genuine research mindset is one where you’re comfortable being proven wrong.

This conversation is a powerful reminder that organizations need to embrace curiosity, to stay grounded and relevant. As the author of ‘Just Enough Research’, Erika, has been a revered design consultant, specializing in asking the hard questions to find the right answers.

She takes this episode to show that speed does not equate to better decision-making, emphasizing the need for organizations to focus on thoughtful alignment and genuine learning.

She explores themes such as the performative nature of modern business practices, the disconnect between financial storytelling and real-world impact, the difference between delegation and democratization, and how organizations can navigate all this in an interconnected ecosystem.

Tune in and learn how to ask the right questions and build an organization that’s based on evidence. Key Highlights

👉 Organizations need to embrace research as an anti-authoritarian practice that fosters curiosity and challenges assumptions.

👉 Speed in decision-making is often performative. Slower, thoughtful preparation can lead to better outcomes and long-term agility.

👉 Modularity and decentralization in organizations require clarity in decision-making and alignment. Delegation of tasks is not the same as true democratization of power.

👉 Financial narratives often drive organizational behaviors, leading to misaligned incentives and decision-making that prioritizes appearances over reality.

👉 Systems thinking and psychological safety are crucial for fostering functional, adaptive teams that can navigate complexity and uncertainty effectively.

👉 Organizations should prioritize incremental improvements and long-term value creation over chasing trends and disruptive innovation for its own sake.

Topics /chapters

(00:00) Decisions, Not Data: Why Research needs Organizational Readiness - intro

(00:43) Introducing Erika

(01:50) Evolution of Research

(08:06) Impact of Portfolios, Modularity, and Ecosystemic Approach on Research

(13:04) Organizational Structure, Coherence, and Control

(18:39) The right approach for building capabilities

(26:06) Pillars of designing a research-backed organization

(32:05) Functioning in complexity with coherence

(42:47) Researching an Ecosystem of Interactions

(49:38) Synthetic User Interviews

(53:31) Breadcrumbs and Suggestions

Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://www.boundaryless.io/podcast/hall-erika

Episode recorded on Nov 22, 2024

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#109 - Beyond Existing Business Model Frames with Jen van der Meer

26 november 2024 | 52 min

A popular practitioner of the systemic approach to business, Jennifer van der Meer, founder of Reason Street, joins us on this episode to explore the intersection of business models, capital structures, and ecosystemic value creation. Highlighting how “in business, the challenge is to move beyond the constraints of financial logic and design for broader, systemic impacts that prioritize the health of ecosystems, communities, and bioregions,” Jen challenges to think beyond the existing frames.

While tracing the evolution of business models through distinct eras, she reiterates her belief that business modeling is a creative process where new narratives need to be created that redefine how value is created and distributed. It’s an eye-opening conversation and an important one to remember in an age when businesses are designed to merely meet investor expectations of financial returns rather than take a holistic approach. Starting from Netscape’s IPO in the 1990s, Jennifer highlights the pivotal moments that shifted the focus from static business plans to the dynamic models of today. As an Assistant Professor at Parsons School of Design and an advisor and consultant, Jen always advocates designing purpose-driven systems aligned with larger societal and ecosystemic goals. In the conversation, we touched upon multiple themes, such as the inheritance that financial logic projects on business models, how to look beyond financial capital (and the constraints making it difficult), and the new perspectives likely needed to start designing for a regenerative future. Tune in and join us as we stretch existing business model thinking frames.

Key Highlights 👉 Business models should be seen as dynamic, narrative-driven frameworks that evolve with societal and technological shifts rather than static plans. 👉 Designing for surplus rather than value capture allows organizations to prioritize contributions to ecosystems and communities over financial returns alone. 👉 Integrating multiple forms of capital—social, environmental, and intellectual—creates a more holistic business strategy. 👉 Platform cooperatives and alternative ownership structures demonstrate how shared value creation can reduce reliance on traditional financial logic. 👉 AI and blockchain technologies offer transformative opportunities, but their true potential lies in enabling community-driven innovation and operational efficiencies. 👉 Organizations must embrace bioregional learning ecosystems to address complex challenges and tailor strategies to their unique social, cultural, and ecological contexts.

Topics /chapters (00:00) Beyond Existing Business Model Frames - Intro (00:44) Introducing Jen (02:05) Evolution of Business Models (07:34) Orientation into ages, frames, and types of Business Models (17:31) Capital Structures and it’s impact on Business Models (21:09) Beyond Financial Capital and Measuring Investments (25:55) Impact of Digital Public Infrastructures (28:16) New Business Approaches and Key Innovations (33:45) Driving Other Forms of Capital (39:14) Speeding the adoption rate of concious business models (43:13) Bringing Diversity in Systems of Value (48:12) Breadcrumbs and Suggestions Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://www.boundaryless.io/podcast/jen-van-der-meer Episode recorded on Oct 23, 2024

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#108 - Doing Strategy in a World of Ruthless Change with Roger Martin

12 november 2024 | 62 min

Roger Martin, one of the world’s most influential business thinkers and former Dean of the Rotman School of Management, joined us on this episode to talk about all things strategy.

He breaks down how organizations can keep up with the dynamism and complexity of it all: the evolution of strategy across the decades, digital transformation, decentralization’s impact, and the latest frontier, the rapid adoption of AI and LLMs. He challenges traditional approaches to strategy and impact measurement metrics like OKRs, stating, “Strategy is what you do, not what you say." In this candid conversation, he also dispels the angst surrounding AI taking over strategy roles in organizations, highlighting why AI and LLMs are valuable for rapidly synthesizing information but lack the capacity for generating unique, strategic insights that require human judgment and creativity. Join us for this conversation filled with insights. Known for his practical approach, Roger Martin—who’s authored many bestselling books, including “Playing to Win”—has guided thousands worldwide to make clear, actionable choices that drive competitive advantage. In the conversation, we also touch upon themes of risk-taking and the importance of empowering leaders to think strategically at every level of the organization. He argues that teams should be able to challenge ideas and push boundaries, all of which are vital for sparking real innovation. Key Highlights 👉 Leaders should act as strategic coaches, guiding teams to align with bigger goals and fostering a culture of proactive decision-making. 👉 Finding the right balance between centralization and decentralization empowers teams with autonomy while maintaining a unified direction. 👉 Constructive tension within teams drives innovation by encouraging open challenges to ideas, leading to breakthrough solutions. 👉 Embracing intelligent risk-taking is crucial; it allows organizations to grow and adapt rather than playing it safe and missing out on opportunities. 👉 Avoiding one-size-fits-all frameworks is crucial; each organization’s strategy should be uniquely tailored to its specific context. 👉 AI and LLMs serve as powerful tools for rapid analysis and synthesis but cannot replace, human strategic judgment. Topics /chapters (00:00) Doing Strategy in a World of Ruthless Change - intro

(00:55) Roger Martin

(02:48) Strategy Evolution over 20 Years

(07:21) Centralization vs Decentralization: Where to Apply in the Organization?

(16:03) Fragmented Decision Making and Creating Boundaries in Strategy

(24:20) Building Entrepreneurship in Organizations

(35:09) Collaboration vs. Competition in a High Resource Environment

(39:37) Creating Shared Value

(46:37) AI, LLMs, and the future of Strategy

(57:52) Breadcrumbs and Suggestions Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://www.boundaryless.io/podcast/martin-roger/ Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast Get in touch with Boundaryless: Twitter: https://twitter.com/boundaryless_ Website: https://boundaryless.io/contacts LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/boundaryless-pdt-3eo Music Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://blss.io/Podcast-Music

#107 - Understanding Design Fiction with Fabien Girardin and Nicolas Nova

29 oktober 2024 | 51 min

Have you ever wondered how visualizing complex futures can help you take actions and decisions today? Fabien Girardin and Nicolas Nova, pioneers of the practice of Design Fiction, take us on a journey into it to explain what it is for and what comes beyond it.

This episode reveals what it means to create tangible expressions of potential futures while considering its complex relationship with technology, global trends, and societal implications.

They share real-world examples of scenario building and discuss how to operationalize future thinking in organizations through the use of co-creation, AI, and other tools.

Fabien and Nicolas have spent decades guiding small and large organizations to envision and prepare for future scenarios. They are now working to expand the design fiction practice beyond its initial decades of practice.

Their work has helped organizations move beyond abstract predictions by engaging with diegetic and relatable prototypes, creating thousands of tools for strategic reflection. Taking the example of the “IKEA Catalog for the Future,” they highlight how everyday objects can become evocative representations that make future concepts more accessible.

This episode will serve as a comprehensive guide to visualizing imagination, including insights into AI's potential role as a creative accelerator in building such prototypes.

Tune in to discover actionable methods to help you navigate the complexities of the future before it happens.

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Key Highlights

👉 Design Fiction shifts future thinking from abstract complexities to tangible prototypes, making it easier for organizations to grasp the potential impact of future scenarios.

👉 Using mundane, everyday objects is important to bring complex technological and societal changes to life while making it more relatable.

👉 Building a "Design Fiction muscle" involves integrating future thinking as a regular practice within organizations rather than relying on occasional workshops.

👉 AI is transforming future prototyping by accelerating the process and providing a larger perspective for creative explorations.

👉 To stay ahead of disruption through continuous improvement, it’s important for organizations also to involve diverse perspectives.

👉 Design Fiction can go beyond product and service prototypes to also reimagine organizations themselves.

Topics /chapters

(00:00) Quote

(00:53) Guest Introduction

(02:17) Introduction to Design Fiction

(06:12) Changes of Design Fiction over the decades

(10:56) Methods in deploying Design Fiction

(15:36) Being “Diagetic”

(18:27) Use Cases, Competitive Advantage, and Motivations for Design Fiction

(21:03) Operationalizing Design Fiction Capabilities

(27:05) What’s the hard part in adopting Design Fiction

(30:56) AI in Design Fiction

(37:09) The Implications of Design Fiction

(41:52) Future of Design Fiction

(45:00) Breadcrumbs and Suggestions

Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://www.boundaryless.io/podcast/Girardin-Nova

Episode recorded on Oct 01, 2024

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#106 Keeping Humans in the Loop: The Key to Successful AI Integration with Philippe De Ridder

14 oktober 2024 | 54 min

Philippe De Ridder, co-founder and CEO of Boards of Innovation joins us for a conversation on the Autonomous Age and the Age of Creative AI.

In this episode, he discusses his popular opinions on how AI will enable unprecedented productivity gains across industries and impact all business arenas, starting from knowledge work.

He also shares his perspectives on the fusion of AI and human creativity and how organizations can leverage it to redefine workflows, product development, customer research and overall business strategies.

We explore how yesterday’s creator will become tomorrow’s curator and why it is essential always to keep humans at the core -- especially with AI innovation.

As a popular innovation consultant, Philippe is a veteran who has worked with both Fortune 500 companies and agile startups, helping them craft bold strategies for the future.

In the episode, he challenges us to think about how innovation, often heralded as a core human endeavor, is increasingly being automated. From using AI to generate product ideas to testing them with synthetic consumers, he highlights the shift towards real-time innovation and its impact on markets and organizations.

Talking about how AI is reshaping decision-making in innovation and across various business functions, he highlights the importance of adopting a "future-back" approach, where companies envision their role in a radically changed world and work backward to integrate necessary capabilities today.

As leaders face several societal implications and tough decisions due to the increasing integration of AI across the organization, this episode can serve as a backbone upon which they can strategize.

Tune in, as this episode will stretch your idea of what AI can achieve already today in your organization. Simply mind blowing.

Key Highlights

👉 Innovation, often considered a highly human-driven process, can now be automated mainly with AI, from generating product ideas to testing them with synthetic consumers in real-time.

👉 AI-driven tools enable rapid product development, drastically reducing timelines from months to minutes, allowing organizations to innovate continuously.

👉 In the future, leadership will need to navigate a world where not just teams but even products operate autonomously, requiring a shift in how control and strategy are managed.

👉 Organizational structures must evolve, as traditional, siloed departments will struggle to adapt to a world where processes and decisions happen almost instantly.

👉 The role of humans is shifting from creators to curators, as AI becomes more involved in decision-making.

👉 As AI revolutionizes business functions, companies must move beyond efficiency gains and focus on reimagining their workflows and operating models from the ground up.

Topics /chapters

(00:00) Title - intro

(00:58) Philippe De Ridder Introduction

(02:14) Can Innovation be automated?

(11:23) AI in Qualitative Research

(14:28) Autonomous AI integrating in Organizations

(22:19) AI Systems guiding Organizational Strategy

(33:25) Autonomous Functions and the Age of Abundance

(38:23) Consumer Participation in Autonomous Products

(41:55) Socio-Technical Impact

(47:54) Perception of Value

Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://www.boundaryless.io/podcast/ridder-philippe

Episode recorded on Sep 12, 2024

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#105 – Understanding why the Company is the Product with John Cutler

30 september 2024 | 56 min

John Cutler, a veteran thought leader and practitioner in product management, joins us for the first episode of Season 6 of the Boundaryless Conversations podcast.

John is popularly known for his work on product development, collaboration, and systems thinking, and has worked with some of the most advanced product-centric organizations like Toast, Amplitude, and Zendesk.

Based on his wealth of experience, John runs a thought-provoking newsletter, “The Beautiful Mess”, where he shares deep insights and revolutionary ideas in product and organizational development.

During this podcast, we touched on how a founder’s belief systems shape product strategies and organizational structures, the differences between single-product versus multi-product companies, and how it’s important to consider the various frames through which one designs an organization’s dynamics.

John also covers the implications of rapid growth versus maturity in organizations and how technology, particularly AI, is reshaping product and organizational thinking.

Throughout the conversation listeners will also get some special nuggets on what he looks for, when he first meets with leaders and entrepreneurs and this shapes the work in the related organizational context.

This episode - one of the best ones yet - is full of insights on the challenges faced by organizations as they scale, and it’s a precious reminder to avoid being elitist in driving organizational change.

Tune in for a rich discussion and don’t miss out on the shifting paradigms in organizational structure and product leadership.

Key Highlights

👉 Successful product management requires navigating diverse leadership belief systems and adapting to organizational messiness.

👉 In organizational design, we often get stuck in certain perspectives, such as treating teams like architecture. To build a better organization, it’s crucial to challenge these and explore different frames—such as the political or community dynamics.

👉During rapid growth, efficiency often takes a backseat to speed. As companies plateau, introducing standardization and modularization becomes essential for achieving agility.

👉AI can remove cognitive limitations, enabling teams to recontextualize data and serve customers in a more personalized manner, thus breaking traditional barriers in product management.

👉Autonomy must come with accountability to ensure teams remain aligned with organizational goals.

👉In B2B SaaS companies, it's important to shift from viewing individual features as separate products and understand that the entire company is the product.

Topics /chapters

(00:00) Understanding why the Company is the Product - Intro

(00:40) The Beautiful Mess

(01:57) Onboarding Entrepreneurs

(11:15) Managing Organizational Messiness

(23:09) Alignment in a broad portfolio

(30:25) Where do you start designing an organization?

(39:56) Modulating a customer-centric approach

(44:09) Tech Impact on Organizational Design

(50:53) Breadcrumbs and Suggestions

Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://www.boundaryless.io/podcast/cutler-john

Episode recorded on Sep 6, 2024

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Trailer: The Boundaryless Conversations Podcast Season 6 is coming up!

17 september 2024 | 1 min

#104 - Season 5 Wrap-Up: Thinking and Doing Inside and Beyond the Platform

14 juli 2024 | 23 min

We reviewed all the 20 episodes from Season 5, and shared some much needed look back and key highlights.

While the learnings are an abundant treasure trove, we handpicked a few and categorized them into 4 sections:

Dystopian aspects of current socio-technological trends with Sangeet Paul Choudary, James Currier, John Robb and Jeremiah Owyang
Visions that resist the dominance of powerful technological forces with Alex Komoroske, Kelly Sarabyn and Scott Brinker, Jesse Walden , Jason Fried and Arvind Gupta
Doctrine and organizing for a multiplicity of teams and products with Craig Strong, Teresa Torres, Charles Betz, Susanne Kaiser and Cliff Berg
Visionary perspectives that think beyond the rules and push boundaries with Yolanda Martin, João Rosa and Trond Hjorteland, Indy Johar, Milica Begovic and Giulio Quaggiotto, Mark Lambertz and Amber Case

This wrap-up is a quick look back into what happened all season, and will give you a peek what to expect for the next one. We hope that these episodes have brought you value in re-imagining ecosystems as you know it, and trust that you will continue to support us in the seasons to come.

Topics /chapters

(00:00) Season 5 Wrap-Up - Intro

(00:43) Dystopian aspects of current socio-technological trends

(05:11) Visions that resist the dominance of powerful technological forces

(10:52) Doctrine and organizing for a multiplicity of teams and products

(15:41) Visionary perspectives that think beyond the rules and push boundaries

(22:50) What's Next: Embrace a Boundaryless Future

Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://www.boundaryless.io/podcast/season5-wrap-up

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#103 - Funding Ventures through the GenAI Age with James Currier

24 juni 2024 | 45 min

James Currier, co-founder of NFX and veteran venture capitalist, joins us as our final guest for Season 5 of the Boundaryless Conversations podcast.

In this gripping discussion, we go through the current and future states of Venture Capital and startups, the role and impacts that AI will have in these ecosystems, and the incumbents' seemingly dominating position in this market.

James takes us through NFX’s investment strategy and breaks down what it means to be living in a world of AI omnipresence. He covers how AI impacts investment size and deals and shares key ideas about integrating startup solutions into the customer’s workflow as a key defensibility - and thus value - driver.

Tune in for fascinating and deep insights into the future of ventures.

Currier is a five-time Founder and an angel investor in companies such as DoorDash, Lyft, and Patreon. Before becoming an investor, he co-founded Tickle, one of the internet’s first successful user-generated companies.

With his deep understanding of the mechanisms driving innovation and growth in the tech industry and his passion for mentoring founders, he shares a wealth of knowledge on this podcast episode.

One of the key elements of our conversation is the significant advantages that incumbents hold in the future of markets impacted by AI in various industries. He touches upon some tried and tested strategies that help startups create sustainable competitive advantages, whether they operate in traditional or emerging industries. James also shares his thoughts on the risks and opportunities of emerging markets such as China and India.

This episode is really packed with strategic insights. Key Highlights

👉 AI is not a revolutionary new platform but a powerful addition to existing technologies, driving productivity and creativity.

👉 If incumbents leverage their established infrastructures and resources, they have a significant upper hand in the AI race.

👉 Incumbents are likely to capture a much greater share of the AI-driven market than they did during the mobile revolution.

👉 True defensibility of a startup lies in embedding products into customer workflows and creating network effects rather than relying on intellectual property.

👉 The future of venture capital is shifting towards smaller and more frequent exits rather than billion-dollar unicorns, challenging traditional investment models.

👉 A government’s increased involvement in tech industries could potentially stifle innovation, leading to slower progress and bureaucratic challenges for startups.

👉 Looking beyond the glamour of being a startup founder or a VC is realizing that it involves a significant emotional and financial sacrifice. Topics /chapters

(00:00) Funding Ventures through the GenAI Age - Intro

(00:59) Introducing James Currier

(06:10) Protagonists of the Investment Market

(09:38) AI impacting the consumer and business landscape

(12:52) What’s the Investment Strategy for AI companies?

(18:47) The Consumer Side

(24:07) Changes in incumbents

(26:38) Global Transitions in VC Investments

(32:10) Invariant Heuristics in a company’s fund-raising capability

(41:55) Breadcrumbs from James Currier

Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://www.boundaryless.io/podcast/currier-james

Episode recorded on May 10, 2024

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#102 - Decoding the Viable System Model with Mark Lambertz

10 juni 2024 | 52 min

“Viable System Model” expert Mark Lambertz joins us on today’s podcast to help us unfold organizing in complex ecosystems.

Mark, a long-time Agile practitioner and a renowned expert on the Viable System Model has a deep understanding and a curious mindset toward all things organizing. We met Mark as an Organizational Coach at Bosch, where he’s driving the adoption of key concepts of the VSM. From his extensive experience, Mark has helped us understand how to use the VSM lens to build autonomous and self-sustaining organizational systems.

He takes us through the model’s components and practical applications and compares it with other organizational frameworks that we use widely, more specifically, Boundaryless’ Rendanheyi-inspired implementation of the Platform Organization with the 3EO Framework.

The conversation - where we discover a lot of resonance between the two perspectives - is filled with valuable insights from the ground and helps you move towards a more inclusive model that balances operational efficiency with strategic adaptability.

Tune in, and don’t miss out.

As one of the first attempts to use cybernetics in organizational management, the Viable System Model was conceived by Stafford Beer in his book - “The Brain of the Firm” in the 70s.

Mark connects the dots in this podcast and explains why cybernetics is important for building adaptive organizations. The podcast highlights the importance of viewing organizations as adaptive, complex ecosystems emphasizing decentralization, coordination, and collective and emergent strategic planning.

He takes us through the depths of VSM, explaining how it starts with an outside-in perspective, focusing on the environment, and then further breaks down the 5 systems within VSM.

In this conversation, you get practical insights into incorporating a VSM informed perspective in your organization, helping you stay dynamic and ever-evolving.

Key Highlights

👉 The Viable System Model (VSM) is crucial for understanding and designing organizations that sustain themselves through complex environments.

👉 VSM emphasizes starting with an outside-in perspective, focusing on the environment, customers, and markets first.

👉 VSM incorporates a form of hierarchy based on responsibility and inclusiveness, aiming to preserve the whole while allowing for local interests and self-organization.

👉 VSM includes five key systems to ensure organizational adaptability: operational units, value production, tactical management, future planning, and organizational identity.

👉 VSM has a fractal nature meaning each operational unit contains its systems, mirroring the larger organizational structure.

👉 The Rendanheyi/3EO model complements VSM by emphasizing decentralized decision-making and enabling constraints.

👉 The future of organizational design is evolving, with an increasing emphasis on creativity, optionality, and diversity.

Topics /chapters

(00:00) Decoding Viable System Model - Intro

(01:27) Introducing Mark and VSM

(13:12) Hierarchies and Structures in VSM

(16:13) Fractal Structure of VSM

(22:12) Orchestrating the organization, market, and VSM

(27:20) Culminating learnings from VSM, Rendanheyi, and 3EO

(39:46) Using the VSM Framework

(44:09) Coming of Age of Organizational Design and Development

(47:45) Breadcrumbs and Suggestions

Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://www.boundaryless.io/podcast/mark-lambertz

Episode recorded on May 10, 2024

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#101 - Navigating Platform Transitions with Yolanda Martin

27 maj 2024 | 53 min

Yolanda Martin Olivas, Global VP of Design, ClearScore, joins us on this episode to talk about the challenges and strategies involved in building platform capabilities within organizations.

From her experience of building platforms at companies like Farfetch, Hearst, Canonical, Kaluza, and ClearScore etc., she takes us through the realities (sometimes difficult) of what it’s like to enable platform transformation and growth.

She argues for organizations to rethink the “growing through acquisition” approach while reiterating the need to focus on a strong infrastructure layer.

As a passionate learner, practitioner, and enabler of platform design; Yolanda is one to take tune into.

Being one of the earliest learners of the Platform Design Toolkit, Yolanda has been a staunch practitioner of the platform business model and has played a pivotal role in enabling it in several organizations.

In this episode, we talk about organizational motivations to shift towards platform design models, primarily driven by the need for economies of scale and new growth opportunities, and why focusing on your “why” is important.

From her experience as a Design Director, she further shares practical advice on fostering a broader ecosystem perspective among design teams. She underscores the need for strong leadership commitment to enable this.

In this conversation we get insights into what made organizations “make it or break it”, so tune in, and get ahead of the curve.

Key Highlights

👉 Building platform capabilities is complex, time-consuming, and resource-intensive. Organizations, need to make a special commitment to platform design and implement exclusive strategies targeted toward this, not simply extending their existing practices.

👉 Successful platform transitions often start with integrating internal operations before enabling it to external partners.

👉 Design leaders play a crucial role in guiding organizations through platform transitions by fostering a broader, ecosystem-wide perspective; which does not look at design problems in a silo, but as a cog in a larger ecosystem.

👉 The lack of a mature platform infrastructure can make growth efforts expensive and inefficient.

👉 There is a high risk in prematurely diverting investment from platform infrastructure to other growth avenues, such as acquiring and creating brands.

👉 Effective platform transitions require targeted education and training for different parts of the organization, tailored to their involvement in the platform’s development stages.

Topics /chapters

(00:00) Navigating Platform Transitions - Intro

(00:58) Introducing Yolanda Martin

(02:50) Building platform capabilities inside organizations?

(11:05) Adapting to platformization changes

(15:55) Design Leadership for Platformization

(20:53) Stories of Transition

(27:23) What did not work for Farfetch platform?

(32:35) Building or Buying the Ecosystem?

(37:05) Looking beyond User-Centered-Design

(43:34) What helps the organization re-arrange?

(48:19) Breadcrumbs and Suggestions

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Episode recorded on March 20, 2024

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#100 - Learning Centered Organizations for the 21st Century with Indy Johar

13 maj 2024 | 58 min

Indy Johar, Mission Steward of Dark Matter Labs, joins the podcast to help us rethink how we organize ourselves and our systems, addressing inadequacies of traditional business models that are no longer sufficient for managing complexities.

Bringing light to how “risk management should be localized, with decision-making power and accountability being as close to the problem as possible,” Indy argues for an organization that encourages participants to be citizens rather than employees and fosters continuous and accountable learning among individuals.

Tune into this episode and learn from Indy, a veteran in building mission-driven organizations, who has always stayed ahead of the curve.

Indy - who joins the podcast for the 3rd time - besides stewarding the mission at Dark has also recently joined RMIT University, teaching no less than “Planetary Civics”, a testament to his influence in the space of social innovation.

As always, Indy comes with a profound understanding of designing complex organizations for the 21st century, from his hands-on experience in creating radical innovations in governance, architecture, and social systems, particularly in sustainability and collaborative economy.

He starts the podcast with philosophical considerations about the nature of complex organizations and then highlights the need for a radical shift toward a learning-centered organization.

In the conversation, we question the traditional metrics of productivity and value, and further advocate for new metrics that account for collective intelligence and systemic contributions rather than individual output.

There was no better way to celebrate our 100th episode because this one is a landmark. Grab a notepad and pick a pen, because there’s much to pin down.

Key Highlights

👉 Organizational structures in a complex world, and a shift from command-and-control to systemic learning and adaptability.

👉 Decentralized risk management and the need to localize decision-making to enhance responsiveness and effectiveness.

👉 Dark Matter Labs' mission-driven approach, emphasizing partnerships over traditional consultancy to enable sustainable change.

👉 Need for a paradigm shift in how value is defined and measured within organizations, moving towards incorporating multi-dimensional success indicators.

👉Redefining organizational roles to encourage craft and citizenship, where individuals contribute to the organization's decision-making processes.

👉 Rethinking legal structures governing organizations, moving towards frameworks that support distributed risk and empower collective action.

Topics /chapters

(00:00) Learning Centered Organizations for the 21st Century - Intro

(01:40) Introducing Indy Johar

(10:31) Value of Learning as a Strategic Advantage

(14:41) Accelerating Learning and Modifying Organizational Agendas

(19:23) Structure in a post-managerial economy

(24:46) The Design of Dark Matter Labs

(34:50) Citizenship inside Organizations

(42:25) Citizen or Employee?

(47:56) Money making machine to avenues of value

(55:47) Breadcrumbs and Suggestions

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Episode recorded on March 19, 2024

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#99 - The State of Platforms in 2024 with Kelly Sarabyn and Scott Brinker

29 april 2024 | 56 min

Kelly Sarabyn and Scott Brinker from HubSpot take us through their latest report on the State of Platforms in 2024.

HubSpot has always considered industry education as central to developing its business and brand, and - in combination with some of its partners - released this great report earlier this year.

The report profoundly covers how firms now adopt platform strategies to thrive in a digital economy ranging from app ecosystems to services marketplaces. Having spearheaded this, Kelly and Scott shared some insider information with us.

During the conversation, they highlight the evolution of platforms, from mere technical infrastructures to complex ecosystems, and then further delve into how understanding the intricacies of platform models is crucial for tech companies and all businesses looking to leverage the interconnected nature of modern markets.

Some of our ardent followers will know that this is the 2nd time we have Scott, Vice President of Platform Ecosystem, at HubSpot. Kelly, instead, works as a Platform Ecosystem Advocate, at the same company.

We are thrilled that they wanted to share the key learnings from co-authoring the “State of Platforms 2024” report - a tremendous piece of work that examines the evolving dynamics of the platform businesses, with a keen focus on the B2B SaaS industry.

In the conversation we explored the implications of evolving platforms for business strategy and operations, emphasizing the necessity for companies to continuously adapt and leverage these opportunities effectively, regardless of the role and business model. Our guests further touch upon how companies need to modulate around proliferation and nichification, integrations across sectors, and even look into these retributions' ethical and social aspects from a community-building perspective.

Key Highlights

👉 Deep Dive into B2B SaaS Platforms by analyzing the top 50 SaaS companies’ adoption of platform business models.

👉 Integration as a critical strategy for enhancing user experience and the platform's value proposition.

👉Industries that have fallen short in their platform game, and where their future is headed.

👉The challenges with outsourcing integration, and why the quality of integration makes or breaks your product’s market fit.

👉The platform industry as a continuously evolving ecosystem, and its implications on business.

👉How companies need to adapt their structure to support platform models.

👉Analysis of the broader implications of platform strategies on society and ethical considerations in platform management.

👉The potential of using ecosystems as a distribution strategy, and why even non-tech companies should consider integrating digital services into their offerings.

Topics /chapters

(00:00) The State of Platforms in 2024 - intro

(00:58) Introducing Kelly Sarabyn and Scott Brinker

(01:58) State of Platforms Report 2024

(10:09) Patterns of Platforms in 2024

(13:19) Outdated Metrics and Practices of Platforms

(16:10) Who should be thinking about Platforms today?

(20:24) Being a part of ecosystems as a distribution strategy

(23:57) Organization Structures Designed for Platforms

(27:31) Who should understand platforms in your organization?

(33:15) Proliferation and Nichification

(38:43) What is the key to unlock the future?

(45:17) Transformation in the Services Ecosystems

(51:29) Breadcrumbs and Suggestions

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Episode recorded on August 7, 2023

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#98 - Sandwich Economics: a New Era of Competition with Sangeet Paul Choudary

15 april 2024 | 64 min

We have a three-time returning guest on the podcast today, Sangeet Paul Choudary - certainly one of the most influential minds in the world of modern business.

Sangeet, an advisor and best-selling author, known for his work on platform economics and network effects, joins us to take us through the next era of competition in business: Sandwich Economics.

He speaks on the principles of the new phenomenon and shares insights into how organizations are now increasingly "sandwiching" markets vigorously consolidating profits and power. As this happens, Sangeet argues, it’s not always a driver of quality improvement in services and products.

Sangeet’s episodes are always packed with insights on the future, and this conversation is no different - in the closing, we even walk through AI agents, AGI, societal and ethical considerations, and much more. Tune in, this is not an episode to miss.

As our close followers and general practitioners of Platform Ecosystems know, Sangeet is not only one of the most distinguished thought leaders, renowned for his pioneering work on platform economics but also someone who can spot the intricacies of the impacts that such phenomena have on society.

He has authored two bestselling books, "Platform Scale" and "Platform Revolution," and comes with over a decade of expertise in advising global firms and governments on crafting effective platform strategies through his organization, “Platformation Labs”.

Sangeet always has golden insights, and this episode is packed with them. He takes us through the new term he coined to describe dangerous market dynamics that key players use to “sandwich” value across multiple layers of value chains and grounds them on examples from various industries. He further challenges conventional thinking and brings fresh perspectives on the ongoing dynamism and complexity of the market.

Key Highlights

👉 Transition from platform-based business models to Sandwich Economics

👉 Dominating multiple layers of the value chain, transforming competition and power dynamics in digital markets through Sandwich Economics.

👉 Case studies on organizations that implemented Sandwich Economics: Reliance's strategic maneuvers in India, and Amazon’s creation of their own value assets.

👉Difference between vertical integration and sandwich economics - and the importance of dominating horizontal layers at an industry scale for capturing profits and exerting control.

👉 Broader societal implications of shifting economic models, and the role of digital transformation in redefining value creation, capture, and distribution.

👉 The emergence of Artificial General Intelligence, and how it makes digital economics, organizational structures, and the essence of competition even more complex.

👉 Leadership methods (decentralized/ centralized) in an era of Sandwich Economics Contrary.

Topics /chapters

(00:00) Sandwich Economics: a New Era of Competition - Intro

(00:58) Introducing Sangeet

(02:23) All things Sandwich Economics

(10:26) Why is Sandwich Economics different from Vertical Integration?

(18:17) New Ways of Competing

(24:08) Playbook of Sandwich Economics and how is it different from enshittification?

(38:28) What are the antibodies?

(46:14) Where’s this evolving to?

(49:45) The emergence of AGI and the shape of markets

(55:41) Value Creation vs. Value Capture

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Episode recorded on August 7, 2023 Get in touch with Boundaryless:

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#97 - R.I.P. Agile, Long Live Agile 2 with Cliff Berg

1 april 2024 | 59 min

On today’s podcast, we host someone who - has been at the forefront of the Agile revolution, and, at the same time, became one of Agile movement's most vocal critics, to the extent, that he dared to say: “R.I.P Agile”.

Cliff Berg, Co-Founder and Managing Partner of Agile 2 Academy, and a leading figure in Agile and DevOps advising joins our podcast bringing his fresh perspectives on the decline of Agile. He also gives us a peek into the story of a book he recently co-authored, ‘Agile 2: The Next Iteration of Agile’.

Cliff takes us through what it means to re-imagine organizational practices and challenges the conventional framework-oriented approach, that often needs more contextualization and grounded action-based research.

Join us, as we discuss balancing leadership and self-organizing, and explore pragmatic approaches to operating successful businesses with agility and accountability.

This episode goes through a journey - we talk about Cliff’s viral post on the demise of Agile, and what he and a team of co-authors have done to consciously course-correct it, and publish a whole set of new ideas on how to approach Agile with a more contemporary and less ideological stance: Agile 2.

Cliff dismisses the narrative of “You don’t need managers”, and challenges why it’s important to reel our thoughts back in when it comes to decentralization of organizations.

He lays it out as it is: structure is not a bad thing per se, and the conversation goes through healthy ways of administering structure in organizations.

Tune in, if you’re interested in non-ideological ways to embrace agile practices, mixed with some of Boundaryless's staple topics: building optionality, entrepreneurial organizations that go big with skin in the game, and more.

Key Highlights

👉 Critical intersection between human behavior and technology, emphasizing the need for a deeper understanding of our digital coexistence.

👉 Calm Technology as an essential way to creating designs that respect human attention without overwhelming users.

👉Building tools that help users focus on the task and not the tool.

👉 Complexities of governance in technological and organizational contexts, with a focus on the potentials and pitfalls of decentralized autonomous organizations (DAOs).

👉 Ways to bring a shift towards innovations that serve humanity and contribute to a more equitable future.

👉 Developing a questioning mindset for driving meaningful technological advancements.

Topics /chapters

(00:00) R.I.P. Agile, Long Live Agile 2 - Intro

(02:09) The transition from Agile 1.0 to Agile 2.0

(10:36) Solving Limitations of Agile 1.0

(18:26) Frameworks as a means to an end

(31:23) Increasing Optionality and Designing for Problem Solving

(38:16) Finding a Balance in Beauraucracy

(44:43) The transformation that sticks

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Episode recorded on February 23, 2024

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#96 - Building Calm Technology and Organizations with Amber Case

19 mars 2024 | 66 min

We rarely (if ever) get to host a cyborg anthropologist on our podcast, so we are thrilled to have Amber Case join us as a special guest for this episode.

Amber, who works at the intersection of human and technology interactions, shares her journey into envisioning what a calm technology is. Calm Technology is a design philosophy that advocates for technology to integrate into our lives, enhancing our ability to focus rather than distracting us. She takes us through everyday objects that have been designed this way and leaves us challenging what’s really “transparent technology”?

We stretch the boundaries to include a conversation on organizations and governance: a leading thread is that of keeping asking questions and not drinking the kool-aid of truthiness in how we think about tech and organizing.

Tune in to this provocation that leaps into the future of technology, its impact on society, and how you can navigate these landscapes with mindful intent.

This podcast started on a personal note - Amber shared her experience being a child of engineers, and also having early exposure to the natural world - both of which she believes set the precedence for what she does today.

She takes us through a wealth of experience she gained in her multifaceted career - having been a renowned book author, TED speaker, serial startup founder, advisor, co-founder of DAOs, Research Director at the Meta Governance Project, and most recently the founder of the Calm Tech Institute.

Amber advocates for a future where technology "gets out of your way and lets you live your life." This episode will elicit new questions for you and your career. This episode has been occasionally recorded as “sound only”. Key Highlights

👉 Critical intersection between human behavior and technology, emphasizing the need for a deeper understanding of our digital coexistence.

👉 Calm Technology as an essential way to creating designs that respect human attention without overwhelming users.

👉Building tools that help users focus on the task and not the tool.

👉 Complexities of governance in technological and organizational contexts, with a focus on the potentials and pitfalls of decentralized autonomous organizations (DAOs).

👉 Ways to bring a shift towards innovations that serve humanity and contribute to a more equitable future.

👉 Developing a questioning mindset for driving meaningful technological advancements.

Topics /chapters

(00:00) Building Calm Technology and Organizations - Intro

(02:09) The start of a cyborg anthropologist

(11:19) What happens as Technology fades into the background/ disappears?

(19:55) Technology as facilitator vs. distractor

(31:06) How to limit and grow technology

(48:53)

Organizations shaping itself to build better technology

(59:37) Breadcrumbs and Suggestions

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Episode recorded on February 22, 2024

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#95 - Avoiding the Agile Bureaucracy with Rosa and Hjorteland

5 mars 2024 | 62 min

In today’s episode, we are joined by João Rosa and Trond Hjorteland, two organizational consultants with a unique point of view, who take us through the depth of Open Systems Theory, and what it means to be socio-technical practitioners, passionate about transitioning democratic organizations to fast-flowing operational models.

With many years of experience in large and complex contexts, they delve into what it means to create a collaborative and democratic organization, and how to balance mission, business outcomes, and cognitive load.

Join us on this episode, as we debate the role of “purpose”, entrepreneurship, and autonomy and learn how to avoid the creation of agile bureaucracies.

Tune in, and get inspired.

In the conversation with Rosa and Hjorteland we started from an original question that Simone threw out at a small conference recently: how do we avoid building Agile Bureaucracies? What does it mean to develop a business that achieves agility without having to exert total control on flows and processes?

With increasingly complex and dynamic environments, it becomes pivotal for organizations to recognize and adapt to change, if not stay ahead of it and rigidities are more than dangerous - even the cultural ones.

Emphasizing learnings from different methodologies like Open Systems Theory, Domain Driven Design, and Team Topologies; our guests advocate a team-centered, and democratic approach over industrial and hierarchical practices. A unique episode to look out for. Tune in.

Key Highlights

👉 Evolving socio-technical systems to enhance organizational resilience against complexity and unpredictability.

👉 Integrating agile practices, Open System Theory, and collaborative sense-making to navigate complex organizational challenges.

👉 Participatory culture for enabling team autonomy and fostering ownership practices.

👉 Balancing strategic focus with adaptability, by leveraging external technologies for organizational evolution.

👉 The role of Team Topologies in creating effective communication and collaboration structures within organizations.

👉 Encouraging the shift towards a micro-entrepreneurial mindset within teams to promote innovation and autonomy.

Topics /chapters

(00:00) Intro - Avoiding the Agile Bureaucracy with Rosa and Hjorteland

(00:59) Guests Introduction

(02:37) Status Quo: Socio-Technical Systems

(10:38) Aligning organizational design and business outcomes

(20:52) Enabling entrepreneurship and building optionality

(39:25) Disruptions in Industrial Organization Thinking

(50:28) Theory of Organizations for a Complex World

(58:40) Breadcrumbs and Suggestions

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Episode recorded on February 6, 2024

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#94 - Susanne Kaiser on Building the Right Things (& Building Things Right)

20 februari 2024 | 54 min

An independent tech consultant with over 20 years, Susanne Kaiser joins the podcast and shares her insights on what makes a robust socio-technical system.

Integrating takeaways from different approaches like Wardley Mapping, Domain Driven Design, and Team topologies, she helps the listeners understand how to mold systems into ones that are adaptable to change, how to invest in the right things, and how to avoid wasting resources on things that do not make a competitive advantage.

We further touch upon topics like building in bounded contexts and unbundling the right way. This episode has an ocean of information, which can help listeners achieve better strategic awareness of their company, products, and initiatives. Grab a coffee cup and a notebook and listen. In this episode, Susanne takes us through what it means to operate a business with a strategic perspective.

An organization’s evolutionary journey goes through high levels of change and uncertainty. With insights on bounded contexts and evolution, Susanne takes us through how you can enforce modularity and cohesion among the different parts of the system, to deal with such a journey.

With significant experience working as a consultant in the software development world, Susanne shares real-world examples of how organizations can create architecture and team structures that are dynamic and play to an organization's competitive advantage.

Key Highlights

👉 A holistic approach to building adaptive socio-technical systems optimized for rapid change

👉 Integration of business strategy, software design, and team organization methodologies such as Wardley mapping, Domain-Driven Design, and Team Topologies.

👉 Organizing strategic investment in core domains to maintain competitive advantage while leveraging off-the-shelf solutions for generic/peripheral subdomains.

👉 Identifty bounded contexts for enabling modularity and cohesion in software systems, supporting faster adaptation to change.

👉 Insights on cultural shifts within organizations, promoting autonomy, trust, and a micro-entrepreneurial mindset.

Topics /chapters

(00:00) Intro - Susanne Kaiser on Building the Right Things (& Building Things Right)

(01:22) Bridging three methodologies for Holistic Socio-Technical Systems

(16:19) Looking into Domain Driven Design

(24:32) What are Bounded Contexts? How do they play out for products and portfolios?

(35:35) Unbundling for a functional model/ Unbundling the right way

(41:20) Integrators & Competitive Advantages

(49:12) Closing Breadcrumbs and Suggestions

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Episode recorded on December 29, 2023

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#93 - Beyond the Code: Jeremiah Owyang on the New Era of AI

6 februari 2024 | 49 min

Jeremiah Owyang, a veteran with a vantage point of Silicon Valley and current General Partner at Blitzscaling Ventures joins us for the second time on the podcast. While he is now working on identifying and nurturing AI startups, this episode reflects his art of captivating audiences.

He takes us through the exponential growth of AI startups, its implications on creativity, health, wellness, and productivity, the ethical considerations surrounding its adoption, and the potential of AI to democratize professional skills. We even touch upon what’s next with AI in this thought-provoking discussion, so tune in and get listening into the future.

In this episode, Owyang demystifies complex technologies - a skill that has made him a sought-after speaker, capable of creating context and setting standards for the adoption of advanced technologies in Business, globally.

Jeremiah takes us on a journey from the inception of predictive AI to the emergence of ChatGPT the moment it was made ubiquitous. This episode is special since we go beyond the technology - through the socio-economic impacts of AI - with a bonus live demo of scenario-based voice interaction with an AI.

This episode is a deep dive into the future of AI and the sheer power of its technology from one of Silicon Valley's most influential voices. Don’t miss out.

Key Highlights

👉 AI's role in reshaping creativity and digital content, with digital influencers.

👉 Democratization of AI technology beyond the Silicon Valley - its global adoption.

👉Addressing the balance between technological advancement and the preservation of human values and rights, with Ethical AI.

👉 Consumer interaction with AI, and what the future will hold - mobile-first or wearables?

👉 A step towards artificial general intelligence (AGI) - The emergence of AI agents as autonomous systems enhancing personal and professional productivity.

👉 The role of AI in health, creating accessibility, affordability, and overall improvement in general wellness.

👉 Harnessing AI for Global Betterment - elevating health and education, paralleling the Industrial Revolution's transformation; akin to trading human cognitive efforts for computational prowess.

Topics /chapters

(00:00) Intro - Beyond the Code: Jeremiah Owyang on the New Era of AI

(02:29) Picture of the white-hote core of AI

(12:27) AI’s Creativity and Human Creativity

(18:51) Monetizing the future of AI

(27:46) Authenticity of AI

(39:01) AI and it’s human implications

(43:07) Breadcrumbs and Suggestions

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#92 - Why Enterprise Architecture is not (just) about Technology: with Charles Betz

23 januari 2024 | 53 min

Join us on this episode as we sit down with Charles Betz, a leading authority in enterprise architecture-related research. With a career dedicated to understanding how digitally enabled organizations (should) operate at scale, Charles is the VP and Research Director of Enterprise Architecture at Forrester.

Tune in as he discusses the evolution of technology, the challenges faced by enterprises as they integrate digital, and the critical and evolving role of enterprise architecture in modern business.

This is an all-encompassing episode featuring Charles Betz, the VP and Research Director of Enterprise Architecture at Forrester. With over two decades of experience in the field, Charles is a seasoned expert in enterprise architecture, digital transformation, and organizational strategy, making this a perfect episode for those looking to operate digitally enabled organizations, at scale.

With his wealth of knowledge, Charles takes us on a journey through the historical evolution of computing, tracing the path from the early days of digital challenges to the present era of cloud computing and platform capabilities. He shares perspectives on the evolving and pivotal role of enterprise architecture, a once technical role now increasingly in charge of facilitating technology alignment with product portfolios and business goals.

He introduces the concept of Outcome-Driven Architecture, emphasizing the principles of adaptability, creativity, and resilience, and prepares us as we explore together the digital landscape.

Key Highlights

👉 Distinguishing hardware and software in digital technology and the unifying capabilities of computing machines.

👉 Challenges faced by enterprise architecture - the risk of bureaucracy and the need to adapt to modern platform thinking

👉 Managing multiple PNL units in organizations, and the requirement for a balance between shared governance and shared services for efficient scaling.

👉 Effective portfolio management needs to meet architectural considerations.

👉 Outcome-driven architecture for achieving higher-level values such as adaptability, creativity, and resilience through architectural capabilities.

👉Engagement models for architecture groups and their cultural values, including value, accountability, and agility.

👉 Shift from a top-down approach to a value-driven perspective in managing technology portfolios.

👉 Systematic and rational management of digital portfolios to optimize investments and minimize redundancy and sprawl.

Topics /chapters

(00:00) Intro - Why Enterprise Architecture is not (just) about Technology

(08:20) Balancing Business Logic, Products, and Technology

(11:28) Enterprise Architecture in a Decentralized World

(18:39) Creating Coherence in Constraints

(34:10) Shifting Roles of Enterprise Architects

(39:33) Outcome-Driven Architecture Model at Forrester

(46:00) Shift from top-down to value-driven perspective

(49:07) Breadcrumbs and Suggestions

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Episode recorded on November 17, 2023

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#91 Rethinking Development: UNDP’s Journey from Projects to Portfolios

9 januari 2024 | 57 min

Join us as we delve into a thought-provoking conversation with Milica Begovic and Giulio Quaggiotto, current and former Head of Strategic Innovation at the UNDP, as they shed light on how they are reshaping the approach to global development by transitioning from traditional project methods to a portfolio approach.

Tune in as we unpack the need for this systemic change and recognize how deep organizational shifts are required to the complexities of today's most pressing challenges.

At Boundaryless, we always believed in the power of learning from parallel avenues, and this episode with Milica Begovic and Giulio Quaggiotto sharing their experience in the development sector, is a testament to that.

Milica, known for her innovative drive, and Giulio, with his extensive experience in public sector innovation, share their insights on UNDP’s recent shift from a project-based to a portfolio approach in tackling global challenges.

They explore how to address systemic changes, emphasizing the importance of broadening strategies to create sustainable impacts.

Taking practical examples from the ground, they discuss the role of cities in driving community-focused innovation, demonstrating the power of portfolio governance in achieving shared goals.

This episode is a compelling call to action for rethinking not just development work, but also what startups and corporates alike could learn to imbibe, in an increasingly complex ecosystem.

Key Highlights

👉 Embracing a complex systemic approach over a linear project approach can ensure impactful response to the unpredictable ways of nature.

👉 The quest for coherence and the need for optionality have to co-exist while addressing dynamic complexities.

👉 Organizational agility and deep structural changes are crucial to drive systemic innovation.

👉 Skin in the game through co-ownership of risks and success can lead to improved sustainability of solutions.

👉 Coherence attracts leverage when multiple independent entities come together to solve a problem, and this ensures an increase in an individual's accountability towards the outcome.

Topics /chapters

(00:00) Intro - Rethinking Development: UNDP's Journey from Projects to Portfolios

(01:31) Guests Introduction

(02:35) Transition from Project approach to Portfolio approach

(14:23) Trickling down of Optionality

(19:26) Generating Outcomes in Emergence

(23:57) Role of Skin in the Game

(33:13) Building Narratives in a Portfolio Switch

(40:30) Uptake of Portfolio Approach

(44:27) Composability and Modularity in Portfolio Approaches

(48:36) Arriving at common census in a fragmented world

(55:58) Breadcrumbs and Suggestions

(57:00) Closing episode

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Episode recorded on October 18, 2023

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#90 - Enjoying Building Simple Products with Jason Fried

26 december 2023 | 53 min

We are truly honored to host Jason Fried, co-founder of 37Signals and the mastermind behind Basecamp, and Hey for one of our deepest episodes.

A leading critical voice in startup culture and product design, Jason delves into challenging conventional business approaches with a focus on simplicity, enjoyment, and nimbleness.

In the second part of the conversation, Jason also hints into what he calls a Post-SaaS era that he intends to kickstart with a new suite of products called Once.

This is a landmark episode for us, as we're joined by Jason Fried, co-founder of 37Signals and the creative force behind Basecamp and Hey.

A true critical thought leader in startup culture, product design, and organizational development, Jason shares his deep insights into the transformative power that comes from challenging traditional business norms - be it bootstrapping, subtracting, restraining, or creating shorter cycles - in a world where increasingly, “more” is considered better.

As an acclaimed author of International Bestsellers - like “Rework”, “Remote” and “It Doesn’t Have to Be Crazy at Work” - Jason offers unique perspectives on customer and product strategies, intuition in decision-making, and the importance of human touch in technology.

He also shares insights on 37Signal's multi-product strategies and touches on their upcoming product "Once", which promises to be the first post-SaaS product.

This episode has got it all, and speaks on untouched conversations like never before. Don’t miss out. Key Highlights

👉 A deep dive into approaches that challenge traditional startup culture and product design principles - bootstrapping, subtraction, simplified metrics etc.

👉 Restraints as powerful enablers organizational strategy.

👉 A centralized product editor vs. a decentralized structure approach in an organization.

👉 Understanding the dynamics and strategies behind managing and growing a multi-product company.

👉 Short term vs. long term goals and getting buy-in from the organization.

👉 Why AI isn’t a magical duct tape, and how do you tackle leveraging AI's capabilities and preserving a product's unique identity.

👉 Understanding how friction can be either incorporated or overcome in the creative and development process.

👉 The Next in SaaS and what is “Once” building

Topics /chapters

(00:00) Intro - Enjoying Building Simple Products

(03:17) Navigating constraints and restraints

(10:39) Getting buy-in from your team

(16:04) Being empathetic with customers

(21:16) Building purpose in an organization

(28:04) Modularity, Composability, and Integration

(33:32) AI is a universal duct tape

(38:45) Path to Multi Product

(43:01) What “Once” was (and will be)

(49:53) Breadcrumbs and Suggestions

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#89 - Why Building On Chain: The Case for Web3 with Jesse Walden

12 december 2023 | 49 min

We talked Web3 with Jesse Walden, a true veteran in the crypto and blockchain space. All the conversation revolves around a deep question: why should we build on chain? Join us as Jesse shines a light on the path forward - and on the key outstanding questions for Web3.

In this episode, we discuss the future of the internet with Jesse Walden - Founder of Variant Fund and Web3 legend. Jesse - is one the most pivotal shapers of the landscape of user-owned internet - and an early-stage crypto funding pioneer - and we are truly honored to have him speak with us.

Before spearheading Variant Fund, Jesse had a notable tenure as Program Director at Crypto Startup School—one of the earliest startup accelerators in Crypto and Web3. Before this, he pioneered work at Mediachain Labs, later acquired by Spotify, which underscored his foresight in harnessing blockchain's potential.

In this deep discussion, we riff with Jesse around the fundamental elements of the question: “why should we build organizations and products on the blockchain”?

Among the depths discussed, he spoke to us on how crypto isn't merely about currencies but rather about owning a slice of the internet. He helps us revise the structural shifts that this technology affords: from independent digital asset ownership to the idea of complete contracts, and we stretch the surface of what’s only possible to build if we embrace this new perspective.

Towards the end of the conversation, we also dive into what’s the role of venture capital in a different landscape such as that of web3.

Tune in to this engaging conversation as Jesse navigates the realms of crypto, blockchain, and ownership, unveiling their profound implications for the future of the internet.

Key Highlights

👉 Redefining Digital Ownership: Exploring the shift from traditional internet usage to owning a piece of the internet through blockchain and smart contracts.

👉 Complete Contracts in Web3: the importance of specifying outcomes in smart contracts amidst dynamism.

👉 New Economic Value in Web3: Bottom-up innovation in Web3, and enabling economic value creation.

👉 Rebuilding Protocols in Web3: Exploring why developers are keen on rebuilding protocols rather than building upon existing ones.

👉 Modular Components in Web3: Building extensive and valuable networks through composability and modularity.

👉 Convergence of Technologies: Exploring the intersection of blockchain computing, zero-knowledge cryptography, and AI.

Topics /chapters

(00:00) Intro - Why Building On Chain: The Case for Web3

(02:04) Why should you build on blockchain?

(06:55) Complete contracts versus incomplete contracts

(19:37) Rebuilding a platform vs. Building atop platforms

(26:47) Modularity and Monetizing Web3

(42:08) Role of AI in composing products and experiences

(45:39) Breadcrumbs and closing suggestions

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Recorded on November 10, 2023.

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#88 - Pioneering Digital Public Infrastructure in India with Arvind Gupta

28 november 2023 | 50 min

We discuss India's digital evolution with Arvind Gupta, exploring the country's unique approach to digital inclusion and decentralized networks. Arvind shares his experiences from academia to the key ideas behind Digital Public Infrastructure, emphasizing digital empowerment. Tune in, and discover how India's digital model is not only redefining technology as we know it, but also setting a precedent for the global landscape.

In this episode, we sit down with Arvind Gupta, Head and Co-Founder of the Digital India Foundation and deep dive into India’s recent bubbling digital story. As a key shaper of the India Stack, he shared his insights on the country’s unique approach to digital inclusion, and its unwavering commitment to serving the bottom of the pyramid

He reinstates India's position as the "data capital of the world" and the transformative power of data in the nation's journey and its crucial potential for empowerment.But what makes India's journey so unique? Well, India's approach has been about innovating building open networks and decentralized systems - something that we’re learning to call Digital Public Infrastructures and Arvind has been instrumental in shaping such a strategy.

Arvind Gupta has held several roles, ranging from being an Adjunct Professor at IIT-BHU, to serving as the CEO of MyGov, a platform championed by PM Modi for inclusive digital governance. His writings have been featured on platforms like the Harvard Business Review and the World Economic Forum, and his accolades, such as the Eisenhower Global Fellowship for Innovation, speak volumes about his commitment to the digital realm.

In this thought-provoking conversation, Arvind calls for a reimagining of the internet's original promise—to empower every individual and truly sparks a sense of deep hope. Join us for this deep dive with Arvind Gupta, as we explore the intricacies of India's digital revolution, its global implications, and the future of technology.

Key Highlights

👉 India's digital stack - a deep dive into the UPI, EKYC, Aadhar etc.

👉 How India shifted from traditional models to innovative platforms for societal empowerment.

👉 How India is working towards decentralizing the internet through initiatives like ONDC, OCEN etc.

👉 How the government utilizes the digital infrastructure investment to significant economic savings and market value creation.

👉 What does it mean to be the data capital of the world?

👉 Emphasis on collaborative and open consultations for policy and technology development.

👉 The "Solve for India, Share with the World" approach towards solution building.

👉 The future - Voice Tech, Ethics and Responsibilities of AI, Non Weaponization of Technology etc.

Topics /chapters

(00:00) Intro - Pioneering Digital Public Infrastructure in India

(00:45) Introduction of Arvind Gupta

(02:12) Overview on Digital India, policy, infrastructure

(13:03) Moving up the Value Chain

(21:29) Breaking down the ONDC

(24:22) Governance of Data and Citizen Participation

(30:36) Capability Building and Go To Market

(37:33) Private Sector Reactions to Open Networks

(40:04) Policy Enforcement

(41:16) Future of India’s play in global ecosystems

(45:50) Other Mega Trends

(46:44) Crypto Ledgers

(47:51) Breadcrumbs and other suggestions

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Episode recorded on October 17, 2023

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#87 BeyondFrames: Living the Networked Society with John Robb

14 november 2023 | 64 min

John Robb, an expert in networked societies and tribal dynamics, returns to the podcast after more than three years, with some thought-challenging discussions.

In this episode, Robb takes us through the inherent destructive nature of networked tribes and provides a unique perspective on our global civilizations trajectory.

He touches on dissent dynamics driven by social media, the danger in the concentration of power due to the transformative effect of AI, all while resonating its impact on business and organizational operations.

This is a special episode, and Robb leaves no leaf unturned. Tune in.

In today's open world, managing networked politics has become increasingly complex for brands, requiring proactive measures from the outset.

John Robb, a renowned author and expert in the field of global security, networked societies, and tribal dynamics, helps us unlock this and other topics on our podcast.

Through popularizing concepts like "Global Guerrillas", where small, loosely connected groups use modern technology to disrupt traditional power structures; he has influenced several entrepreneurs and decision-makers with his thought-provoking insights and predictions.

He discusses the importance of cultivating a corporate culture rooted in civility, introduces profound perspectives on global civilization, and even urges us to consider where we want to be in 200 years, given the limitations posed by Earth’s energy and social entropy.

This podcast episode offers a deep exploration of such critical themes, providing valuable perspectives on the future of society and the influence of networks. Listen in, and join the conversation.

This episode also introduces a new format: #BeyondFrames, occasional podcast episodes where we’ll extend the view beyond product and org design, to look at the context of our work and organizations

Key Highlights

👉 Networked Tribes: how they affect markets and organization

👉 Importance of Early pattern recognition and intervention for managing complexity in organizations.

👉How can organizations adapt to tribes and maintain brand coherence?

👉 How to establish corporate civility and neutrality

👉AI’s impact on concentration of power, wealthand feudalization of warfare

👉The Permacrisis: how can we manage and prevent it at a societal level?

👉What is deindividualization, and how does it affect your organization?

Topics /chapters

(00:00) Intro - BeyondFrames: Living the Networked Society

(01:01) John Robb Introduction

(04:01) The Last 3 years for John Robb

(07:23) Structure, Culture, and Strategy

(10:23) Decentralized Tribes vs. Hierarchical Corporates

(16:33) Future of Organizations and the Coherence of Brands

(18:53) Positivity of Network Tribes

(24:57) Entropy Growth and Organizations

(32:11) De-individualization and Group Dynamics

(35:44) Keeping Markets Free

(44:52) The Next Cycle

(58:43) Breadcrumbs and Suggestions

(01:03:06) Closing

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Episode recorded on January 11, 2024

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#86 Scaling Continuous Discovery in Product Portfolios with Teresa Torres

31 oktober 2023 | 49 min

We are elated to host Teresa Torres, the renowned product discovery coach behind Product Talk, on our podcast. Drawing from her vast experience, from her collaborations with industry giants like Spotify and Tesco, but also with small, nimble startup teams we discuss about implementing continuous discovery inside organizations, across teams, driven by business outcomes.

Together, we explore the intricacies, challenges, and opportunities of coordinating in complex product landscapes and what it means for organizations navigating these rough waters. Teresa's insights are simple, yet profound and that makes this episode a must listen!

As the mind behind Product Talk, there's arguably a handful who understand the intricacies of continuous discovery better than Teresa Torres does. Her straightforward style and work has set benchmarks in the industry of product design and development. In our conversation, we venture beyond the usual. We discuss the science of maintaining coherence in a portfolio of products, what it means to ideate within the constraints of an organization, and what are some artifacts and visualization tools that can help product development. She also shares her thoughts on the delicate balance of power, as the scales tip in the age of personal technology, highlighting what GenAI and NoCode could mean for the future of the product.

With her foundational education from Stanford University and Northwestern University, combined with her hands-on experience, Teresa brings a unique blend of academic rigor and practical insights to the table.

Give this episode a listen, and you are sure to walk away with points to ponder.

Key Highlights
👉 Relationship between continuous discovery, and organizational structure, team structures, product design, product portfolios, scaling etc.
👉 How can cross-functional product team be empowered by the product team.
👉 Why every product needs a has a business outcome, and a revenue model formula.
👉 Balancing between what creates value for customers and the business.
👉 How do you achieve coherence and achieve coherence in complexity, when there is a portfolio of products?
👉 How can tools be used to impose enabling constraints?
👉 Shifting power to the customer with GenAI and personal technology.

Topics /chapters
(00:00) Intro - Scaling Continuous Discovery in Product Portfolios
(00:43) Teresa Torres's Introduction
(03:08) Scaling and Continuous Discovery
(07:31) Accountability, P&L, and Product Centric Organizations
(09:57) Managing coherence in portfolio of products
(16:27) Coordinating in Complexity
(19:26) Artifacts and Visualizations
(23:01) Ideation within constraints
(29:24) Product Expansions in startups
(37:41) Shift of Power from Product Teams to the Consumer // Personal Technology
(41:51) Navigating customer focus in a world of GenAI
(45:25) Breadcrumbs and Suggestions
(48:06) Closing Notes

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Episode recorded on October 2, 2023.

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#85 Product-Centric Organizations (Portfolios, Taxonomies) with Craig Strong

16 oktober 2023 | 55 min

In this episode, we explore what a product-centric organization looks like, with our guest Craig Strong. Sharing his experience as a Global Practice Leader at AWS (Amazon Web Services) and seasoned Chief Technology & Product Officer, he helps us dive deeper into the nuances of adopting organizational designs, cultures, and practices that cater to product-customer centricity.

A true product operating model specialist, he has helped countless startups and enterprises modernize and evolve to become more customer-centric. From bio-mimicry to hands-on experience, learn what inspires him every day to design some of the most robust and adopted organization structures in the world. This podcast is just not one to miss!

In this insightful episode, Craig Strong, co-author of "The Lean Product Lifecycle," explores the future of product-centric organizations. With over 18 years in the tech industry, Craig has worked with startups, SMEs, and global enterprises, guiding them through growth and transformation.

Craig shares profound insights on this podcast, emphasizing the importance of life cycles in product development and the dangers of prescribing defined frameworks. We dive into the significance of asking timely questions, what questions to ask, and the necessity of flexible frameworks that cater to the emergent needs of complex organizations. He touches upon his concept of viewing taxonomies and ontologies as products, and so much more.

As a Forbes Technology Council member and co-author of "The Lean Product Lifecycle," Craig provides a blend of theoretical and practical insights on this podcast. This episode is a must-listen for those seeking clarity and inspiration in product operations and organizational design. Tune in for a highly engaging discussion with Craig Strong!

Key Highlights

👉 Importance of timely contextualization, innovation, and autonomy in ideas.

👉 Relevance of incremental governance.

👉 Removal of “Rigidity of Frameworks.”

👉 Creating a balance between heuristics and cultural tenets of an organization.

👉 Complete breakdown of product taxonomies - its necessity, importance, design structure, etc.

👉 How to build collective intelligence in organizations.

👉 How to use visualization tools for imagining and executing dynamic organization design.

Topics / chapters

(00:00) Intro - Product-Centric Organizations (Portfolios, Taxonomies)

(00:57) Introducing Craig Strong

(07:12) Key Tenets and Artifacts of Product-Centric Organizations

(12:31) Incremental Governance

(15:51) All about Product Taxonomies

(19:17) Patterns in Taxonomies

(21:06) Dynamism and Complexity in Organizations

(23:17) Scalability of Taxonomy

(26:55) Alternatives to P&L in Product Development Cycle

(29:11) Objectivity and Removing Bias in Development

(32:18) Innovation Theatre and Operationalizing Product Innovation

(36:20) Skin in the Game

(38:54) Hierarchy of Taxonomies

(43:03) Building a Taxonomy and Ontology that is Convenient

(50:49) Breadcrumbs and Suggestions by Craig

(53:38) Closing Points

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Episode recorded on September 18, 2023.

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#84 Gardening Platforms and the Future of Open Ecosystems with Alex Komoroske

2 oktober 2023 | 63 min

In our first episode this season, we dive into the world of open platforms and the future of organizing. With his thought-provoking presentation of “Gardening Platforms,” our guest Alex Komoroske helps create a shift in mindset towards a more achievable and sustainable approach in creating impactful technology solutions. We explore his key learnings from leading products at Google Chrome and how he continues to implement these in his own journey today. Touching on questions of morality, control, and designing for the nefarious users, there’s so much Alex offers in this podcast, and we hope you take from it as much as we did.

Alex Komoroske is truly an inspiration when we think of the potential that powerful technology solutions can create. For 13 years, he worked with Google, building some of the most cherished products that came from the organization. Heading product for a company that affects billions of lives is no easy feat, and Alex did just that for Google Chrome. He took his vast ocean of knowledge, and for the last two years has helped shape Stripe as their Head of Strategy. In his flip-book style presentation, aptly titled, “Gardening Platforms,” he discusses the fundamental emergent power dynamics of platforms, how to evolve an existing platform to continuously improve it, and how to create a new platform from scratch. This got us truly hooked, and we are glad that Alex joined us to discuss this and many more mind-tinkering concepts in our podcast. We touch upon the inherently complex and evolutionary nature of platforms, the role of composability and modularity, and what it means to be sensitive to the socio-technical implications of your solutions.

Get ready to be inspired by his high-impact journey, brutal honesty, and some remarkable recommendations of books and concepts that have shaped his thoughts and processes.

Key Highlights
👉 Platforms can be imagined as a swarm of energy, between multiple entities interacting with one another.
👉 Why you don’t always need a big-bang for product launches; oftentimes, self-accumulating users are what’s best for the platform’s success.
👉 Why a gardener mindset, rather than a builder mindset, is poised to reward a product with more success.
👉 How organizations can prepare and design for open platforms that are resilient and expansive, yet chaotic and hard to control.

Topics / chapters
(00:00) Intro - Gardening Platforms and the Future of Open Ecosystems
(00:39) Simone welcomes the audience
(01:26) Alex Introduction
(04:28) Platforms as Complex Adaptive Systems and Gardening Platforms
(09:08) “Coherence” as an attribute for platform development in Open vs. Closed Platforms
(12:22) Rebound from Centralized Platforms
(16:36) Translating chaotic and complex ecosystems into actionable initiatives in organizations
(29:04) Trust, Organizational Accountability, and Micro enterprises
(39:18) Moral implications of building platforms and open source movements
(49:08) Design for Participation
(53:42) Power of Decision Makers in influencing platform design
(01:00:09) Breadcrumbs (Suggested content from Alex)

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Episode recorded on September 30, 2023.

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The Boundaryless Conversation Podcast: Season 5 is coming

26 september 2023 | 1 min

Season Wrap Up: Emerging Questions on the Future of Platform Organizations

12 juli 2023 | 20 min

S04 Ep. 20 Bill Fischer and Lisa Gansky - A Situational Update on our Ecosystemic Future

10 juli 2023 | 55 min

In this season’s final episode, we talk to Bill Fischer and Lisa Gansky about how our old ideas of what's normal are disappearing. There is a need to bridge the gap between old and emerging systems, encouraging exploration and experimentation to unlock our Ecosystemic Future.

Bill Fischer has spent his entire career involved in innovation, from being a practicing development engineer in industry and government, to being an academic researcher, teacher, and writer, to being involved in several startups. He is currently a Senior Lecturer at the Sloan School of Management, at MIT, and an Emeritus Professor of Innovation Management at IMD, in Lausanne, Switzerland. Lisa Gansky is a social provocateur, serial entrepreneur, angel investor, advisor, international keynote speaker, and author of the bestselling book, “The Mesh: Why the Future of Business is Sharing”. Her work on trust, the sharing economy, and innovation has been central in rethinking 21st-century governance, business models, and community dynamics.

The challenges organizations face in adapting to rapid change show that traditional organizational structures are no longer working. To adapt to the changing landscape, a combination of AI, Web3 technologies, and new governance models can enable flexible and modular ways of organizing.

New promises emerge through the overlap between organizations and software, unlocking new ecosystem potential where different players and customers come together, focusing on local relationships and embracing transience for more innovative solutions.

Above all, it’s important to keep up with optionality and dynamism, both key to the nature of Ecosystemic thinking: co-creation and increasing diversity and variance are going to be essential in the markets of the future.

These elements provide the backdrop for this Situational Update on our Ecosystemic Future.

Key Highlights
👉 The “not yet” is moving faster than the speed at which organizations can adapt.
👉 Un-centralizing for the future: creating smaller units with more autonomy.
👉 Challenges ahead: technology, jobs, and rethinking traditional career paths.
👉 The old model of “define, refine, and scale” is being disrupted by something more turbulent and community-oriented.
👉 The S-curve of technology is getting shorter, and the narrative behind it is different.
👉 Companies need T-shaped individuals to serve as hubs of people within ecosystems.
👉 Everything is 100% temporal, but our legal systems, tax codes, and educational systems can’t keep up with that model.

Topics / chapters
(00:00) Dynamic Models and Local Engagement: Nature's Inspiration for Future Relationships
(01:24) Bill Fischer and Lisa Gansky introduction
(02:58) Adapting Products, Services, and Work in an Uncertain World
(14:27) Redefining Careers: From Hierarchy to Portfolio of Projects
(23:31) Exploring the Potential of Web3 Governance and Programmable Protocols
(39:46) The Path to Coherence: Navigating the Convergence and Variance in Future Markets
(51:05) Bill Fischer and Lisa Gansky’s breadcrumbs

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Recorded on April 13, 2023.

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S04 Ep. 19 Justice Conder - Smart Contracts: eating the 1st Mile of Agile Organizations

26 juni 2023 | 60 min

In this episode, we dive into the world of smart contracts and their remarkable impact on organizational design. Our guest, Justice Conder, provides a thought-provoking introduction to what he calls the third law of nature of smart contracts. We explore the transformative journey from traditional corporations to the realm of Decentralized Autonomous Organizations (DAOs), maintaining a non-ideological mindset and examining the challenges of bridging the gap between the two paradigms.

Justice Conder leads DAO Ecosystem Development at Polygon Labs. Previously, he was a full-stack developer and Agile practitioner for over ten years, and entered the world of DAOs through BanklessDAO, where he contributed as a governance solution engineer. With Justice, we explore the disconnect between DAOs and traditional organizations, investigating how smart contracts—as a conceptual evolution of DevOps—could play a pivotal role in driving organizational transformation. We also discuss how pioneering transformations, like Haier’s Rendanheyi management model, have a symbiotic relationship with the on-chain revolution, offering insights into the future of organizational design and management.

Get ready to be inspired by the immense potential of Web3 capabilities in product development, and discover how these capabilities can be harnessed to unleash innovation, foster user engagement, and shape the future of products and organizations.

Key Highlights
👉 Smart Contracts and the Third Law of Nature
👉 DAOs are ideologically framed: a movement for more equitable organizations
👉 DACs (corporations) rather than DAOs (organizations) may be the space where most promises of smart organization lie
👉 DAOs can magnify rather than solve the tragedy of the commons if leadership is missing
👉 Progressive decentralization is better than presumptive
👉 To be on top of organizational transformation, you need to look far ahead of the current state

Topics / chapters
(00:00) Smart Contracts: The Unbreakable Third Law of Nature
(00:55) Justin introduction
(01:51) From the traditional world into the DAO world
(04:40) Bridging the Gap: Exploring the Disconnect Between DAOs and Traditional Organizations
(18:13) The Role of DevOps, Smart Contracts, and DAOs in Organizational Transformation
(27:23) Rendanheyi and the On-Chain Revolution: the Future of Organizational Management
(41:47) Unleashing the Potential: Harnessing Web3 Capabilities for Product Development
(54:43) Justice Conder's breadcrumbs

Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/justice-conder

Recorded on June 2, 2023.

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S04 Ep. 18 Design in the 2020s: More Agency, Less Control with Christian Bason

12 juni 2023 | 55 min

Join us in our latest podcast episode as we delve into the world of design with Dr. Christian Bason, CEO of the Danish Design Center. We explore the crucial role of how we think - the “thinking” part of design thinking - in addressing global challenges.

Drawing from one of his latest books, "Expand: Stretching the Future By Design," co-authored with Jens Martin Skibsted, Christian introduces the concept of six expansions: time, proximity, life, value, dimensions, and sectors. These expansions encourage designers to break free from traditional boundaries and tackle complex issues like climate change, pandemics, and digitization. We also discuss the dynamic nature of design modes and methods, highlighting the importance of agency and adaptability in diverse contexts.

Dr. Christian Bason brings his expertise in innovation, design, policy, and leadership to enrich our conversation. Before becoming CEO of the Danish Design Center, Christian gathered extensive experience leading organizations like MindLab, the Danish government’s innovation team, and Ramboll Management Consulting. He has published in the Harvard Business Review and Stanford Social Innovation Review and has taught executives at Oxford Saïd Business School, Henley MBA, the European School of Administration, and Copenhagen Business School.

With Christian, we dive deep into the ethical considerations surrounding technological innovation and the responsibilities of designers and developers in the digital space. Our conversation examines the impact of technology on society and emphasizes the need for governance mechanisms to keep up with rapid advancements.

The podcast further explores the role of designers as decision-makers and their responsibility at various scales. We look into the transformative power of unlocking individual creativity and cultivating innovative cultures within organizations.

Lastly, we confront the current state of the world and examine the rise of autocracies and surveillance societies, questioning why top-down control has become such a prevailing force. Christian proposes that we have agency to create more sustainable and human-centered organizational forms that can effectively navigate complexity and build alternative futures.

Join us for this captivating podcast episode as we navigate the future of design, highlighting the transformative power of agency, and embrace a world where creativity and collaboration pave the way for a better tomorrow.

Key Highlights
👉 We need to expand our thinking about the future in six areas: time, proximity, life, value, dimensions, and sectors.
👉 By adopting a designer's mindset, we should embrace agency to shape our future.
👉 Human imagination and ideas about what is good need to dominate no matter what technology we have at our disposal.
👉 Designers in the digital space have incredible power today because of their ability to scale.
👉 Many organizations are stuck in 19th or 20th-century ways of thinking.
👉 Technologies allowing for large-scale distributed coordination exist, but many corporates prefer to exert top-down control.
👉 To enable technology as a catalyst for leadership, we must design organizations that prioritize our beliefs about people rather than solely focusing on technology.
👉 Groups of people together deciding to make a change is the only thing that's ever changed the world.

Topics / chapters
(00:00) Do organization layers inevitably have to grow as an organization expands?
(01:01) Christian Bason’s introduction
(02:08) Expand: Stretching the Future By Design - Exploring the Boundaries of Design Thinking
(14:33) Human Agency in the Age of Technological Advancement
(23:37) The Need for a Designer’s Perspective in Technology and Innovation
(32:41) Balancing Technological Awareness and Leadership in the Digital Age
(42:42) Imagining a Better Future: The Crisis of Imagination and Design
(49:51) Christian Bason's breadcrumbs

Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/christian-bason

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S04 Ep. 17 Nafeez Ahmed - Organizing for a Decade of Global Phase-Shift

29 maj 2023 | 65 min

Dr. Nafeez Ahmed joins the show to share his insights about the disruptive nature of technological progress and how it impacts society. He highlights the transformation of five fundamental production sectors—energy, transport, food, information, and materials—urging organizations to prepare for a decade of global phase shift.

In this episode, Dr. Nafeez Ahmed helps us understand how exponential technological advancements and economic factors are reshaping civilization, leading us toward a more decentralized organizing system in a pivotal decade.

Nafeez is a systems theorist with over 20 years of experience and works as a change strategy consultant and investigative journalist. He is the Creator of the Age of Transformation newsletter, where he writes about systems thinking for what he calls 'the global phase shift.' He is also Director of the Futures Lab at United Communications Ltd, where he leads system transformation advisory services for governments, businesses, and charities. Additionally, Nafeez is a Distinguished Fellow at the Schumacher Institute for Sustainable Systems and a Commissioner at the Club of Rome's Transformational Economics Commission.

In this episode, we uncover the challenges faced by established industries in light of the rise of new technologies. With Nafeez, we explore strategic approaches to navigate this phase shift, including making decisions based on empirical evidence and data, and the need for new ways of collaborating across transforming sectors. Nafeez shares insights about the economic implications of AI and the exciting possibilities of reimagining our future organizing system to fit new production systems.

Get ready to delve into the next decade’s phase shift and discover the significance of strategic pivoting in response!

Key Highlights
👉 The need for a new organizational system to cope with technological disruptions and convergence in key sectors: energy, transport, food, information, and materials.
👉 The importance of active government involvement in rethinking strategies for the global phase shift, from re-evaluating industry investments and supporting workers’ transition to new sectors, to eliminating subsidies and implementing carbon tax.
👉 Technological advancements in AI and renewable energy will cause us to reconsider our conventional organizing system, with decreased reliance on traditional labor and increased opportunities for participation through decentralized production networks.
👉 To navigate the changing landscape and seize the opportunities presented by technological advancements, decision-making based on the science and data available, and the adoption of new ways of collaboration across sectors, are essential.

Topics / Chapters
(00:00) Nafeez Ahmed quote
(00:54) Nafeez Ahmed introduction
(02:26) Rethink Humanity: The Unprecedented Disruptions Shaping Our Future
(20:56) From Energy to AI: Unthinkable Transformations and Strategic Responses
(37:32) Navigating the Emergence of Networked and Decentralized Systems
(50:37) Building a New Civilization: Seizing the Unprecedented Opportunities of Clean Energy and AI
(59:24) Nafeez Ahmed's breadcrumbs

Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/nafeez-ahmed

Recorded on April 28, 2023.

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S04 Ep. 16. Spela Prijon and Sascha Kellert - 4 dimensions of Ownership Economy: Ownco

15 maj 2023 | 43 min

Špela Prijon and Sascha Kellert join us to share the latest news from Ownco - a platform that combines the best aspects of cooperatives, DAOs, and traditional startups to make shared ownership and the ownership economy more fluid and accessible.

Ownco’s approach to distributing ownership moves along four key dimensions - Upsides, Status, Influence, Redemption - and is an approach born through testing hypotheses and assessing the actual results produced by early adopters. For example, through Ownco’s credit system, companies can issue ownership credits that can be backed—through a legal bridge—with exit proceeds, providing ownership-backed incentives for contributors.

Ownco believes that achieving ownership sharing can be done with existing legal contracts, while at the same time, the potential impacts of Web 3 may be important for the long term.

Špela Prijon and Sascha Kellert are the co-founders, along with Harry Wilson (not on this podcast), of Ownco. Špela Prijon has been active with startups for a long time, as a founder and team member. Most recently, Špela was Head of CX at Ledgy, leading the implementation of various equity plans for hundreds of startups from seed to IPO stage, in jurisdictions all over the world, with an intimate knowledge of the processes of sharing ownership. Sascha Kellert is a serial entrepreneur who studied Systems Theory at Bayes Business School in London with a thesis exploring how to design viable businesses using patterns and blueprints from nature. Over the last decade, he has been developing practices and tools for the alternative ownership economy while building his last two VC-funded SaaS/platform startups.

In this episode, we delve into several practical use cases, talk through regulatory and governance issues, and explore Ownco’s vision of boundaryless, networked organizations, with micro-teams connected through smart contracts and programmable ownership sharing.

Enjoy this both practical and inspiring conversation with two of the passionate founders of Ownco.

Key Highlights
👉 There are more ways to promote co-ownership than developing full-fledged DAOs.
👉 The future is in networks of micro-companies.
👉 Ownco’s four dimensions of co-ownership: Upsides, Status, Influence, Redemption.
👉 How trust is essential in the time between issuing and fulfilling a contract.
👉 Web3 as enabling inter-company collaboration.
👉 The future of Ownco as an embedded capability rather than a single product.
👉 Ownco’s customer journey starts by asking, “What is the progressive decentralization path that they can embark on?”

Topics / Chapters
(00:00) Building Loyalty in Business Communities
(01:00) Špela Prijon and Sascha Kellert introduction
(02:35) Ownco: Making Equity More Powerful and Leveling the Playing Field
(05:31) The Ownership Economy and the “credits” model
(15:55) Legal Bridges: Sharing Ownership Without Complexities
(21:31) The Growing Demand for Shared Ownership: Ownco's Unique Approach
(25:55) Building Boundaryless Organizations
(34:58) Distributing power and ownership within an organization
(39:18) Špela Prijon and Sascha Kellert breadcrumbs

Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/ownco

Recorded on April 28, 2023.

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S04 EP. 15 Mark van Rijmenam - Navigating Hype Cycles in Tech: Communities, Prototyping, and Convergence

1 maj 2023 | 49 min

In this new episode of the Boundaryless Conversation Podcast, Mark van Rijmenam examines the hype cycle surrounding AI and the perceived decline of interest in the Metaverse. He argues that these emerging technologies are not mutually exclusive and that the Metaverse still has significant potential for development with the application of AI.

Dr. Mark van Rijmenam is an international keynote speaker, author, and entrepreneur. He is a leading future tech strategist who considers how technology changes organizations, society, and the Metaverse. A globally recognized speaker and expert on disruptive innovation, Mark explores how we can benefit from emerging technologies like big data, blockchain, AI, and VR/AR. He is the author of “Step into the Metaverse: How the Immersive Internet Will Unlock a Trillion-Dollar Social Economy,” which details what the open Metaverse is and how organizations and consumers can benefit from the immersive internet.

Mark emphasizes the importance for organizations to develop digital capabilities, which he refers to as “DNA,” to stay ahead of technology trends and avoid getting caught up in hype cycles. We also discuss the challenge of developing responsible and ethical technology, with suggestions for oversight boards and regulatory requirements to ensure alignment with ethical values.

Key Highlights
👉 Being part of communities online and offline is essential to discovering and understanding new technologies.
👉 Convergence is crucial to understanding how new technologies will combine with existing trends.
👉 The pattern of “hype and crash” for emerging technologies has occurred repeatedly in the past.
👉 Organizations need to develop digital capabilities to understand and stay ahead of emerging technology trends today.
👉 The lines between the digital world and the physical world are blurring, with implications for both work and private life.
👉 Reading about new technologies is not enough - practical application and critical thinking are necessary to truly understand them.
👉 Organizations, startups, regulators, and consumers must work together to educate themselves on the importance of an open Metaverse in a digital society.

Topics (Chapters)
(00:00) Why Your Organization Needs to Start Preparing Today for the Future.
(00:52) Mark van Rijmenam introduction
(02:22) Assessing New Technology: Communities, Prototyping, and Convergence
(11:08) The Metaverse vs. AI: Debunking the Hype Cycle
(15:17) Building Digital Capabilities for Organizations to Stay Ahead of Technology Trends
(23:59) The Challenge of Instilling Ethics in Technology Development
(29:54) The transformative impact of the Metaverse, Generative AI, and IT convergence on organizational models, business models, and social agreements
(40:08) The Importance of an Open Metaverse for Digital Society
(43:56) The Importance of Digital Literacy: Learning to Fly in the Digital World

Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/mark-van-rijmenam

Recorded on 13 March 2023.

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S04 Ep. 14. Barry O’Reilly Software architecture for a rapidly changing world

17 april 2023 | 54 min

Most software architects represent the environment in a very static way, and from that static representation, produce static software. As a result, the software structure they create is like a picture of a picture…used to describe what is actually a movie. This problem, rooted in a mechanistic worldview, is where Barry O'Reilly’s Residuality Theory was born.

Residuality Theory - in very few words - is a method of designing software architectures inspired by how the most talented architects do it: starting from the stress conditions that the system could eventually face as it operates.

Barry O'Reilly is a software architect with 25 years of experience in the IT industry. He has held leading roles at global software companies, has spent many years educating architects, and is currently pursuing a PhD in Complexity Science and Software Engineering at The Open University.

Residuality theory looks at the world not as a bunch of static things or still pictures, but as a constantly moving set of processes which we can't really see and grasp. It requires designers to move away from a static view of the system. By letting the architecture design be inspired by its “stressors,” O'Reilly believes that not only can we design more resilient systems but also more efficient ones.

In this episode, Barry also describes the philosophical background behind the theory and why Residuality can be a viable approach to designing organizations too.

Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/barry-oreilly

Key Highlights
👉 Static representation of reality as a practice of software architecture is embedded in Western philosophy and worldview.
👉 Software engineers should start asking themselves: “What is the underlying philosophy behind what I do and the frameworks that I use?”
👉 Residuality is a way to look at the world as a constantly shifting, moving set of processes that we can't really see and grasp.
👉 The residue is what remains from the system after it breaks down: it's the leftover of the system. And those leftovers will define the future of the software system.
👉 Criticality as an indication of the system’s ability to function across a wide range of attractors, which we may or may not even know about.
👉 It is known that software performing well in its environment is modular, but how to make structured decisions around such modularity remains unknown.
👉 The impossibility to separate organizational design from software architecture.

Topics (Chapters)
(00:00) Barry’s quote
(00:59) Introduction
(02:12) What residuality theory is
(12:59) Residuality: philosophical background
(18:24) Residuality: from software to organizations
(27:01) Residuality and microservices: is a match possible?
(36:13) Is residuality fit for the society we’re living in, or is it a next generation’s thing?
(43:03) How to (easily) adopt a residuality approach
(48:48) Barry’s breadcrumbs

To find out more about Barry’s work:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/technologytulip
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/barry-o-reilly-b924657
Website: https://www.blacktulip.se

Other references and mentions:
Nassim Nicholas Taleb: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nassim_Nicholas_Taleb
Antifragile (book): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifragile_(book)
NK model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NK_model
Transcendental idealism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_idealism
Post-structuralism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-structuralism
The Biological Reality of Organizing - with Alicia Juarrero: https://www.boundaryless.io/podcast/alicia-juarrero
Bezos’ famous API mandate: https://nordicapis.com/the-bezos-api-mandate-amazons-manifesto-for-externalization/
Characteristics of decision-making during coding: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/303515570_Characteristics_of_decision-making_during_coding
Promise Theory. Principles and Applications: http://markburgess.org/pr

S04 Ep. 13. Joni Baboci - Cities in Flux: from Bureaucratic control to Participatory Ecosystems

3 april 2023 | 54 min

In this podcast, we dive into the shift towards a more decentralized and organic approach to city planning with Joni Baboci, an architect, planner, and urban enthusiast. We discuss how the modernist paradigm of deconstructing everything into individual parts and putting them back together linearly is becoming less relevant. Instead, we see a shift towards a more organic, bottom-up approach that looks at the city as a complex and multi-layered system.

Joni Baboci is the founder of Layer, a spatial orchestration platform that empowers teams to govern through tactics and patterns while leveraging machine learning and artificial intelligence. He has previously served as the General Director of Planning and Urban Development for the City of Tirana and the director of Atelier Albania, a structure of the Albanian government dealing with national and regional strategic planning. Joni has executed planning, design, and development projects at different scales at the national, regional, and local levels.

Joni shares his insights on how technological advancements such as AI and blockchain are enabling bottom-up processes in planning and thinking about cities. We also delve into the challenges of making these ideas practical and building a process to make them a reality. Joni highlights the importance of reinventing physical production through local value loops and incentivizing the interconnection between urban and rural landscapes.

We also discuss how DAOs and blockchain technology can improve local governance and participation, and how cities can invest in citizen-based entrepreneurship that lets them decide how to perform a job or access a service rather than relying on a top-down approach.

Join us as we explore the potential of a more decentralized and organic approach to city planning with Joni Baboci.

Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/joni-baboci

Key Highlights
👉 The static, modernist way of thinking and planning cities is changing.
👉 Looking at cities through a “pattern language”: from communities to subcultures to regions.
👉 Bureaucracy can help to make sure things do not move too fast.
👉 The physical city won’t be replaced by a virtual city or a network state any time soon.
👉 New technologies make it possible to scale governance both on a technical and geographical level.
👉 Communities should be able to make small bets on things that matter to them.

Topics (Chapters)
(00:00) Joni Baboci quote
(00:47) Joni Baboci introduction
(02:13) A Paradigm Shift Towards Humility in Organizing Cities and Space
(05:56) The Shift Towards Decentralized and Organic City Planning
(10:57) The Role of Cities in the Modern World: Cities as Labor Markets and More
(18:15) Exploring the Pros and Cons of Network Cities: Coexisting with Physical Cities
(23:13) The Future of Cities and the Interconnection between Urban and Rural Landscapes
(30:55) Using DAOs and Blockchain to Improve Local Governance and Participation
(40:41) City and Citizen Entrepreneurship for Bottom-up Development
(47:15) Joni Baboci's breadcrumbs

To find out more about Joni’s work:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/dbaboci
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonibaboci
Website: https://joni.baboci.net

Other references and mentions:
Layer: https://getlayer.xyz
Joni’s newsletter: https://thinkthinkthink.substack.com
METABOLISM OF ALBANIA | FABRICations: https://www.fabrications.nl/portfolio-item/metabolismofalbania-2
The Deeper Order of Cities: https://thesideview.co/journal/the-deeper-order-of-cities
Eyes on the Street: The Life of Jane Jacobs: https://www.amazon.com/Eyes-Street-Life-Jane-Jacobs/dp/0345803337
Remote bureaucracy by Dror Poleg: https://www.drorpoleg.com/remote-bureaucracy and https://medium.com/block-science/disambiguating-autonomy-ca84ac87a0bf
Center for International Development | Harvard Kennedy School: https://www.hks.harvard.edu/centers/cid

S04 Ep. 12. Alberto Brandolini - On Domain-Driven Design and the challenges of reaching Agreements

20 mars 2023 | 55 min

Alberto Brandolini joins the podcast as a sparring partner in our exploration of one of the most “burning” issues in our research: the intrinsic links between language, software, and organizational design. We explore the role of domain-driven design and, more generally, the role of visualization and context mapping in the process we call "ontological convergence"—how we agree on standards, converge on using common models, and build common tools, protocols, and infrastructures.

Alberto, EventStorming creator, Domain-Driven Design (DDD) legend, and unconventional entrepreneur, is also famous for the Bullshit Asymmetry Principle, aka Brandolini’s law. He proudly runs Avanscoperta, a hub for inventing, promoting, and spreading new ideas around software development. Alberto is also a frequent speaker at conferences and events and an international trainer with more than ten years of experience.

During the chat, we explore the ways software drives the adoption of common models and languages, and how the boundaries between technology and business, between one team and another, and even between organizations themselves, are blurring. Alberto observes that the more distributed an organization is, the more having clean, well-visualized “bounded contexts” becomes a key factor in effectiveness and success. Defining components and modules reduces the need to collectively agree on everything—a heavily underestimated cost of organizing.

Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/alberto-brandolini

Key Highlights
👉 How ubiquitous can language be.
👉 The best way to speed up reaching agreement? Visualizing instead of talking.
👉 Most no-code and low-code approaches are designed around a paradigm that is antithetic to domain-driven design.
👉 Domain-driven design suggests being aware of the cost of your architectural decisions and the evolution of these forces over time.
👉 When the quality of a component makes it an obvious choice, it’s a good way to create standards.
👉 The hardest part for remote-first organizations is finding a way to make distributed decisions on critical issues.

Topics (Chapters)
(00:00) Alberto Brandolini quote
(00:56) Alberto Brandolini introduction
(01:33) What domain-driven design is
(16:14) The cost-benefit of agreeing
(24:05) Domain-driven design approach in complex environments
(28:19) How no-code and low-code systems relate to Domain-Driven Design
(38:28) The role of Domain-Driven Design in driving standards into markets and ecosystems
(48:22) Talent useful for a company like Avanscoperta
(51:24) Alberto Brandolini's breadcrumbs

To find out more about Alberto’s work:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/ziobrando
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brando
Website: https://www.avanscoperta.it

Other references and mentions:
Brandolini's law (Bullshit Asymmetry Principle): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law
EventStorming: https://www.eventstorming.com
Developing the ubiquitous language: https://thedomaindrivendesign.io/developing-the-ubiquitous-language
The Conformist pattern: https://www.markhneedham.com/blog/2009/07/04/domain-driven-design-conformist

Alberto’s suggested breadcrumbs (things listeners should check out):
Domain-Driven Design Distilled: https://www.informit.com/store/domain-driven-design-distilled-9780134434421
Implementing Domain-Driven Design (Red Book): https://www.amazon.com/Implementing-Domain-Driven-Design-Vaughn-Vernon/dp/0321834577
Introducing EventStorming (The Book): https://www.eventstorming.com/book
David Sibbet: https://davidsibbet.com
Dave Gray: http://www.xplaner.com
Domain-Driven Design Crew · GitHub: https://github.com/ddd-crew
Avanscoperta blog: https://blog.avanscoperta.it

Recorded on 09 January 2023.

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S04 Ep. 11. Geoff Mulgan - Architecting the next generation of Institutions

7 mars 2023 | 44 min

In this episode, we are joined by Sir Geoff Mulgan to explore the potential of an emergent discipline of organizational architecture, where the diversity of organizational models and their features are studied and assessed in a more robust and systematic way—similar to the field of building architecture.

Sir Geoff Mulgan CBE is a Professor of Collective Intelligence, Public Policy, and Social Innovation at University College London (UCL). Prior to his current position, he served as the Chief Executive of Nesta, the UK's innovation foundation, from 2011 to 2019. His primary focus is on improving government functionality and creating and implementing good ideas. Recently, he has been developing ideas related to shared intelligence, wisdom, science policy, social science, and systems, with a sideline in imagination. His work revolves around not only what to change but also how to do it—from big-picture designs to the more practical aspects.

His latest book is 'Another World is Possible - How to re-ignite radical political imagination,' about new ways to imagine the future in politics and social organization. Geoff believes that—given the complexity of organizations, which rely on a combination of monetary exchanges, coercion, love, and care to operate—reducing them to a single monolithic model is not sufficient. Instead, we need a diversity of models that can evolve with time and adapt to changing needs. Such an approach, Mulgan thinks, is even more significant as we need to tackle the profound 21st-century transitions related to energy, climate, health, and other areas. Most likely, we’ll need new types of institutions to face these transformational challenges—not limited by old corporate models and legal and regulatory frameworks.

Key Highlights
👉 Reducing organizations to a matter of “only” contracts is too simplistic.
👉 Complex organizations use a mix of monetary exchanges, coercion, love, and care to govern.
👉 Organizational design should be a discipline more like physical architecture.
👉 We need new institutions that can embrace outside-in strategies and be multi-center and modular.
👉 “Mesh” models of organizing combine vertical and horizontal structures and flows both inside organizations and outside of them.
👉 Old corporate models and legal and regulatory frameworks currently prevent open data flows and transparency.
👉 A co-evolution of new organizational forms mixing collective and artificial intelligence is foreseeable in the next decade.

Topics (Chapters)
(00:00) Geoff Mulgan's quote
(00:59) Geoff Mulgan introduction
(02:07) The reason behind the paper "Organizational Architecture - Ideas for an Emergent Discipline"
(07:03) Elements of organizational architecture theory
(12:12) The enablers and the forces to reorganize society
(24:13) Government as a platform
(38:07) Geoff Mulgan's breadcrumbs

Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/geoff-mulgan

To find out more about Geoff’s work:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/geoffmulgan
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-geoff-mulgan-aa1079187
Website: https://www.geoffmulgan.com

Other references and mentions:
Organizational architecture: Ideas for an emergent discipline (paper): https://www.geoffmulgan.com/post/mesh-organisational-archicture-theory
Learndirect: https://www.learndirect.com
Another World is Possible - How to re-ignite radical political imagination (book): https://www.geoffmulgan.com/another-world-is-possible
Warm Data Institute: https://batesoninstitute.org/warm-data
Data Meditations: https://www.he-r.it/project/data-meditations

Geoff’s suggested breadcrumbs (things listeners should check out):
Museum of the Future: https://museumofthefuture.ae/en

Recorded on 13 January 2023.

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S04 Ep. 10 Scott Brinker – Serving joint customer needs through a modular Platform at HubSpot

21 februari 2023 | 57 min

Scott Brinker takes us on a journey exploring Hubspot’s fascinating platform strategy, where competitive overlaps between Hubspot’s own hubs and products and third-party developers in the ecosystem are treated as a good thing, and where recognizing and serving the “joint customer need” is the real focus.

Scott is VP Platform Ecosystem at HubSpot, helping to grow and nurture the company's community of technology partners. He writes the chiefmartec.com blog, covering marketing technology management, and is the author of the best-selling book “Hacking Marketing”. Previously, he was the co-founder and CTO of Ion Interactive. He holds degrees in computer science from Columbia University and Harvard University and an MBA from MIT.

Serving multiple niche customer needs with modular platforms: is this possible? Hubspot’s success seems to confirm. With Scott, we take a closer look at Hubspot's approach to figuring out what makes the collaboration between a platform and its ecosystem work. We see what makes a product portfolio and an organizational structure more keen to meet complex and evolving customer needs through collaboration, all while keeping everything connected as one boundaryless ecosystem.

Key Highlights
👉 How the practice of marketing has evolved with technology in the last decades.
👉 Even if so much software is now in the cloud, customization (vs pre-packaging) is still only in the beginning.
👉 Serving joint customer needs across products.
👉 Structuring modularity inside the organization.
👉 Competitive overlaps in the ecosystem is a good thing.
👉 Building legitimacy and trust in the ecosystem requires helping partners to evolve.

Topics (Chapters)
(00:00) Scott Brinker's quote
(00:54) Introducing Scott Brinker
(02:33) How marketing has changed and its intersection with technology
(09:27) Evolution around SaaS and the fact that we live in an ecosystem world
(12:38) Approaching product design and development with customer needs and extensibility points in mind
(18:24) Balancing coherence and diversity in the “tool chain”
(35:08) Internal and external strategy - stability and change
(41:07) Boundaries are never static between platforms and partners
(44:47) Commodities become part of the core platform
(51:58) Scott Brinker's breadcrumbs

Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/scott-brinker

To find out more about Scott’s work:
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/chiefmartec
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sjbrinker
- Website: https://chiefmartec.com

Other references and mentions:
- HubSpot: https://ecosystem.hubspot.com
- Wardley mapping: https://learnwardleymapping.com/introduction

Scott’s suggested breadcrumbs (things listeners should check out):
- Hacking Marketing: Agile Practices to Make Marketing Smarter, Faster, and More Innovative: https://www.amazon.com/Hacking-Marketing-Practices-Smarter-Innovative/dp/1119183170
- Antifragile by Nassim Nicholas Taleb: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifragile_(book)

Recorded on 13 January 2023.

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S04 Ep. 09 Jocelynn Pearl – The best use case of Web3 so far: DeSci

7 februari 2023 | 45 min

Jocelynn Pearl is a biotech scientist, podcaster, and company builder. She co-founded LabDAO, a web3 marketplace for life science research, and curates The DeSci Wiki, which tracks projects and DAOs in the web3 x science sector. She is also the host of the Lady Scientist Podcast and UltraRare The Podcast, a show featuring leaders in DeSci.

DeSci, or Decentralized Science (like the acronym DeFi for decentralized finance), expands some of the principles of blockchain technology and distributed ownership to science. The impact is potentially huge in many aspects: science communities' rules, funding and incentive structures, daily work habits, intellectual property rights, etc.

Thanks to our conversation with Jocelynn, we discover the potential of DeSci by looking into the organizational aspects of decentralized communities and exploring which science branches may benefit most from its potential. Finally, Jocelynn also mentions how companies are evolving the DeSci vertical, probably providing one of the best use cases of Web3 so far.

Key Highlights
👉 DeSci - one of the best use cases for Web3 so far.
👉 Democratization and new paths to independent funding.
👉 Fixing broken incentive structures in research.
👉 Examining potential drawbacks and limits of less institutionalized science.
👉 Impacts of DeSci over science institutions.
👉 The emergence of broader collaborations and types of scientists.

Topics (Chapters)
(00:00) Jocelynn Pearl’s opening quote
(00:42) Introducing Jocelynn Pearl and this episode topic
(02:35) What decentralized science is
(07:01) Which major institutions will be transformed by DeSci?
(10:51) The DeSci impact in the short term
(17:34) Funding and structures of science: how they currently work
(23:00) Everything is “tokenizable”?
(25:39) Will there be freelance scientists?
(31:17) What about tools?
(35:02) Collaboration and ontological convergence
(39:34) Beyond healthcare
(40:44) Jocelynn Pearl’s next projects
(41:38) Jocelynn Pearl’s breadcrumbs

Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/jocelynn-pearl

To find out more about Jocelynn’s work:
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/jocelynnpearl
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jocelynnpearlphd
- Website: https://www.jocelynnpearl.com
- UltraRare The Podcast: https://rss.com/podcasts/ultrarare
- Lady Scientist Podcast: https://rss.com/podcasts/ladyscientistpodcast

Other references and mentions:
- LabDAO (on Discord): https://discord.com/invite/labdao
- DeSci Wiki: DeSci Wiki
- Reinventing Organizations: https://www.reinventingorganizations.com
- talentDAO: https://www.talentdao.io
- Smart Contract Research Forum: https://www.smartcontractresearch.org
- Gassing the Miracle Machine, Not Boring: https://www.notboring.co/p/gassing-the-miracle-machine
- Crowd Funded Cures: https://crowdfundedcures.org
- Flagship Pioneering: https://www.flagshippioneering.com
- NFX Bio: https://www.nfx.com/post/launching-nfx-bio
- Unbundling Work from Employment - Li Jin: https://li.substack.com/p/unbundling-work-from-employment
- Scispot: https://www.scispot.com
- Benchling: https://www.benchling.com
- Science Exchange: https://ww2.scienceexchange.com/s

Jocelynn’s suggested breadcrumbs (things listeners should check out):
- Reinventing Discovery - Michael A. Nielsen: https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691202846/reinventing-discovery
- Working in Public - Nadia Eghbal: https://press.stripe.com/working-in-public

Recorded on 18 October 2022.

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S04 Ep. 08 Thomas H. Davenport and Laks Srinivasan – Making AI-ready Organizations

24 januari 2023 | 58 min

In this episode, we talked to Tom Davenport and Laks Srinivasan from the Return on AI Institute (ROAI) about how AI is empowering and challenging organizational models worldwide, and how the platform business model is often based on AI capabilities in the background.

Tom is a world-renowned thought leader and author on AI. He is the President’s Distinguished Professor of Information Technology and Management at Babson College, as well as a fellow at the MIT Initiative on the Digital Economy, a visiting professor at Oxford's Saïd Business School, and the Chairman of ROAI.

Laks is a data and analytics executive with more than 15 years of experience in management, entrepreneurship, and innovation roles to help clients create measurable value from AI. He is a co-founder and Managing Director at ROAI and former CEO of Opera Solutions (now ElectrifAI), an applied AI solutions company with 500+ employees globally, and the winner of the Netflix Prize and several Kaggle AI competitions.

Tom and Laks explore with us how different forms of artificial intelligence might transform product teams at companies around the globe. In the second part of this episode, Tom and Laks offer concrete examples of companies that have created new business models powered by AI, as well as suggestions on what traditional organizations should look at when preparing to adopt artificial intelligence.

Key Highlights
👉 AI is becoming pervasive in large organizations, but many are still struggling to get meaningful value out of it.
👉 Companies that “do AI” vs (digital native) “AI companies”.
👉 Platform business models (as a form of ecosystem) are based on AI.
👉 How AI could transform product teams.
👉 The challenge with AI is multi-dimensional: involves organization, leadership, culture, data, and technology.
👉 AI replaces tasks rather than entire jobs.
👉 Strategy-by-doing applies to AI: think big, start small, fail fast, and invest where things are working.
👉 Increased awareness among executives is needed to develop their intuition around AI.

Topics (Chapters)
00:00 Intro notes and welcoming of Thomas H. Davenport and Laks Srinivasan
03:16 How AI is empowering organizations or challenging organizational models
08:11 AI as a matter of doctrine in organizations: yes or no?
11:56 Platform business model (as a form of ecosystem) based on AI
17:13 How AI could transform product teams
24:50 Example of companies which have created new business models powered by AI
33:40 What should traditional organizations look at when preparing to adopt AI?
42:02 To integrate more AI into the process? Think big but start small.
50:58 Thomas and Laks’ breadcrumbs

Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/tom-davenport-and-laks-srinivasan

To find out more about Tom Davenport’s work:
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/tdav
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davenporttom
- Website: https://www.tomdavenport.com

To find out more about Laks Srinivasan’s work:
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/LaksSrinivasan
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laks-srinivasan
- Website: https://roaiinstitute.com

Other references and mentions:
- Working with AI: https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262047241/working-with-ai
- All-in On AI: How Smart Companies Win Big with Artificial Intelligence: https://www.amazon.com/All-AI-Companies-Artificial-Intelligence-ebook/dp/B09Q6KHWVT
- Ping An Group: https://group.pingan.com
- CCC Intelligent Solutions: https://cccis.com
- USAA: https://www.usaa.com
- Amara's Law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Amara#Amara's_law
- The Return on AI Playbook Podcast: https://sites.libsyn.com/411860

Tom and Laks’ suggested breadcrumbs (things listeners should check out):
- Being a fire volunteer for fire control or, in general, being a volunteer for something
- How Generative AI Is Changing Creative Work: https://hbr.org/2022/11/how-generative-ai-is-changing-creative-work

Recorded on 28 October 2022.

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S04 Ep. 07 Michael Zargham – Designing beyond the machine: Tokens, Blockchain & Contracts

10 januari 2023 | 51 min

Michael Zargham, founder and CEO of BlockScience and Board Member of the Metagov Project, shares his views on how Blockchain and other emerging technologies are making new ways of organizing possible. Yet, Michael believes that, so far, we are not fully using the potential of these affordances to create something new.

Smart contracts are becoming widespread, but does the relationship between crypto and organizing stop there? What’s next? Which new “non-familiar” possibilities of design will we see unlocked in the next few years? Michael describes how systems designers will need to be humble and leave space for systems to evolve through enabling constraints. He also believes that the gap between the complexity of organizational design and transparency of decision-making is closing through “healthy DAOs,” blurring the line between those making the rules and those acting upon the rules.

Michael holds a Ph.D. in systems engineering from the University of Pennsylvania where he studied optimization and control of decentralized networks. Thanks to his experience, Michael Zargham has a non-common point of view on designing beyond the machine.

Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: boundaryless.io/podcast/michael-zargham

Key Highlights
👉 How new affordances for organizing are created by Blockchain and other emerging technologies.
👉 The gap between the complexity of organizational design and how it is documented.
👉 The “Animating purpose” is core to what the organization does and why.
👉 How to design mechanisms without being mechanistic.
👉 How designers need to leave empty space and provide enabling constraints.
👉 Systems engineers as civil engineers: the civil servant ethics approach.
👉 Finances as constraints rather than goals in emerging mutualist institutions.

Topics (Chapters)
(00:00) Michael Zargham’s quote
(00:59) Intro and Michael Zargham’s bio
(02:33) New technologies, new affordances
(06:04) Beyond Smart contracts: how deep is the relationship between crypto and organization?
(09:03) The new “non-familiar” possibilities of designing next-generation voting public
(14:41) How an organization can “use” the Conviction voting
(19:55) The gap between organizational design and the documentation of the organizational design
(24:23) “Animating purpose” is core to the organization and what it does
(29:49) A new era of “Design as a participatory system”?
(33:26) The role of the designer: risks and opportunities
(40:59) The civil servant ethics approach for designers
(46:18) Michael Zargham’s breadcrumbs

To find out more about Michael Zargham’s work:
> Twitter: https://twitter.com/mzargham
> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mczargham
> Block Science: https://block.science
> cadCAD: http://cadcad.org
> Metagov: https://metagov.org

Other references and mentions:
> Gardens: https://gardensdao.eth.limo/#/home
> Delphia: https://delphia.com/team
> “Design as Participation” by Kevin Slavin: https://jods.mitpress.mit.edu/pub/design-as-participation/release/1
> Boundaryless interview with Jeff Emmett: https://youtu.be/eI6yhPdfOnE

Michael’s suggested breadcrumbs (things listeners should check out):
> “Mint and Burn” Podcast by Kelsie Nabben: https://www.rmit.edu.au/news/podcasts/mint-and-burn
> “Mutualism” by Sara Horowitz: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/621946/mutualism-by-sara-horowitz
> “Engineering a Safer World” by Nancy G. Leveson: https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262533690/engineering-a-safer-world

Recorded on 12 October 2022.

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S04 Ep. 06 Joe Justice – Working at a Musk Company: Modularity, Innovation and Cash flow

27 december 2022 | 66 min

The guest of this episode is Joe Justice. Joe is a legend of Agile and has helped implement Agile across the world in more than 20 countries. He has led Agile practices at incredible companies like Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Boeing, Tesla, Toyota, NEC, and KDDI. In the early 2010s, his passion for mechanical engineering led him to found Wikispeed, an unusual open-source car manufacturing company that pioneered the implementation of Agile practices in manufacturing. It became a global sensation and exhibited at international auto shows.

With Joe, we talked about how he brought Wikispeed and its ideas to Europe over 10 years ago, touring around places and meeting people from the Ouishare network—of which both Stina and Simone have been part—during the heydays of the collaborative economy. We also widely discussed Joe’s engagement with Agile at Tesla and many of the key elements of vision and work culture at Musk’s companies. Additionally, we discussed the role of governments and how their contributions and policies can be conducive to more innovation, and how they should see themselves more as test centers for innovation pathways.

This episode provides a great insider look into what it means to work in a company led by Elon Musk, double-clicking on key concepts such as modularity and cash flow, and why they are essential to rapid innovation.

Key Highlights
👉 The Open Source approach to business.
👉 Maximize cash flow as part of innovation.
👉 The importance of data-driven performance in Musk companies.
👉 The benefit of 12-hour shifts.
👉 The importance of modularity to shorten innovation cycles.

Topics (Chapters)
00:00 Joe Justice’s opening quote
01:13 Intro and Joe Justice’s bio
02:57 When and how WikiSpeed arrived in Europe
08:33 What we can learn from the collaboration between Wikispeed and Tesla
14:18 Agile culture vs Policies and the role of government
49:15 Modularity as an approach
59:53 Joe’s breadcrumbs
01:03:59 Conclusion

Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/joe-justice

To find out more about Joe’s work:
> Twitter: https://twitter.com/JoeJustice
> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Joe.A.Justice
> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joejustice
> Books: https://leanpub.com/u/joejustice
> Classes: https://www.abi-agile.com
> Agile World 2022 Keynote: "Tesla’s Secret Process for Rapid Innovation" Joe Justice: https://youtu.be/XTeZcQ9-Hr4

Other references and mentions:
> Ouishare: https://www.ouishare.net
> TEDxRainier - Joe Justice - WikiSpeed: https://youtu.be/x8jdx-lf2Dw
> Tesla Anti-Handbook Handbook: http://www.ceconline.com/PDF/Tesla-Anti-Handbook-Handbook.pdf
> DevOps: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/DevOps
> Paolo Sammicheli’s books: https://paolo.sammiche.li
> Joe Justice’s YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@JoeJustice0

Joe’s suggested breadcrumbs (things listeners should check out):
> Zapp! The Lightning of Empowerment: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/22446/zapp-the-lightning-of-empowerment-by-william-byham-phd-with-jeff-cox
> Commitment - a graphic novel about managing project risk: https://commitment-thebook.com
> Great Courses Big History: https://www.amazon.com/Great-Courses-Big-History-Humanity/dp/B07FD45QRD
> Learn anything to an extremely high level of skill: whether it’s pasta dishes or martial arts—choose anything and just go deep.

Recorded on 1 Dec 2022.

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S4 Ep. 5 Raphael Ouzan – Growing and evolving organizations through Cloud Teams

13 december 2022 | 54 min

According to our guest Raphael Ouzan, next year's big thing is: “cloud-based teams.” Companies are having an increasingly hard time hiring the right people to work on their most pressing problems and opportunities for development. To overcome this, Raphael founded A.Team, the world’s first cloud-team formation platform, enabling companies to form, manage, and scale external, remote teams instantly. Its TeamGraph connects thousands of highly skilled product builders in an invite-only network—empowering them to escape rigid structures to team up with companies building market-leading products.

Raphael is a technologist, entrepreneur, and investor on a mission to unlock human potential with technology. Among other things, Raphael co-founded BillGuard—the antivirus for bills (acquired by Prosper), co-founded BlockNation with Apollo Mgmt CEO Marc Rowan to invest in web3, and founded ITC, a not-for-profit for global tech upskilling. A decorated officer of IDF’s tech unit, he was named 30 under 30 by Forbes, and Global Shaper by the World Economic Forum.

In this episode, we dive into what “cloud-based teams” mean and analyze what perspectives such teams open up for organizations. We also reflect on the role of companies themselves: according to Raphael, we should never refer to “external teams”; instead, as entrepreneurs, we need to think more boundaryless (as we always say).

Remember that you can always find transcripts and podcast notes from the episode on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/raphael-ouzan/

Key Highlights

👉 Setting up high-performing teams driven by passion and freedom.

👉 When focusing on outcomes, external versus internal becomes irrelevant.

👉 The disruption of traditional employment.

👉 The Ocean’s Eleven analogy.

Topics (Chapters)

00:00 Introduction: who is Raphael Ouzan

02:28 Definition of a cloud-based team

07:38 A.Team: how it works and its Business model

15:13 Insights about cloud-based teams

20:11 How A.Team guarantees that a team will work as "a real team"

24:43 On teams’ accountability

30:02 Increasing the "skin in the game" of teams

33:50 Organizational model and networks

39:55 The value of a curated network

42:36 Engaging the community

47:23 A.Team: what's next?

48:22 Raphael Ouzan's breadcrumbs

To find out more about Raphael Ouzan's work:

👉 Twitter: https://twitter.com/raphaelouzan

👉 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/raphaelouzan

👉 Website: https://raphaelouzan.com

Other references and mentions:

👉 A.Team website: https://www.a.team

👉 AWS Mental Model: https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/enterprise-strategy/mental-models-for-your-digital-transformation

👉 Conway's law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law

👉 Utopia for “builders”: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/big-change-3-content-principles-2022-joe-lazer-lazauskas

👉 Ocean’s Eleven: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean%27s_Eleven

Raphael Ouzan’s suggested breadcrumbs (things listeners should check out):

👉 Adam Grant, Think Again: https://www.amazon.com/Think-Again-Power-Knowing-What/dp/1984878107

Recorded on 8 November 2022.

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S04 Ep. 04 Alicia Juarrero - The Biological Reality of Organizing

29 november 2022 | 49 min

Alicia Juarrero is founder and president of VectorAnalytica with a doctorate in philosophy from the University of Miami, where she is also currently a research associate. She is the author of the book Dynamics in Action (2008), and the upcoming Context Changes Everything (2023), both published by MIT Press.

We’ve all heard about how organizations are like natural organisms, but is that really true? And if it is, how can we get inspired by nature in designing and understanding them?

In this episode, we talk to Alicia about her work in complexity theory and how it applies to organizations. Alicia takes from Aristotle the image of the organization as a natural organism and unpacks the biological reality of organizing.

Parts of a natural organism, like a cell, are different from just parts of a material mass. A complex organization is a system where members and teams define themselves by their role and through interaction with other parts of the system. This has specific consequences on the hierarchy and management of teams embedded in various contextual layers. In these complex organizations, boundaries and enabling constraints have a role to steer direction, and managers should act as catalysts, not applying coercive forces.

Remember that you can always find the full episode and transcript on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/alicia-juarrero/

Key Highlights
👉 The cellular-based ecosystemic organization is not governed by hierarchy and external forces.
👉 “Life and death” of the components of an organization make it dynamic and adaptable.
👉 Boundaries in biological reality are permeable interfaces, not mechanistic edges.

Topics (Chapters)
00:03:04 Organization as “organism”
00:09:45 Hierarchy in social organizations
00:12:25 Three levels we have to consider when thinking of a social organization
00:20:29 How to set goals in a complex organization?
00:36:35 The role of enabling constraints
00:44:38 Alicia’s Breadcrumbs

To find out more about Alicia Juarrero’s work:
👉 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alicia-juarrero-93b3a25/
👉 Website: https://www.vectoranalytica.com/

Other References and Mentions:
👉 Dynamics in Action (2002) - Alicia Juarrero: https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262600477/dynamics-in-action/
👉 The Self-Organization of Intentional Action: https://www.cairn.info/revue-internationale-de-philosophie-2004-2-page-189.htm
👉 Constraints that Enable Innovation - Alicia Juarrero: https://vimeo.com/128934608

Alicia’s Suggested Breadcrumbs (Things Listeners Should Check Out):
👉 "Boundaries, hierarchies and networks in complex systems" - Paul Cilliers: https://blogs.cim.warwick.ac.uk/complexity/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2014/02/Cilliers-2001-Boundaries-Hierarchies-and-Networks.pdf
👉 The Theory of Graceful Extensibility: Basic Rules that Govern Adaptive Systems - David D Woods: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/327427067_The_Theory_of_Graceful_Extensibility_Basic_rules_that_govern_adaptive_systems

Recorded on 7 October 2022.

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S4 Ep.03 Casey Winters - Design, Growth & Evolution of Product Organizations

15 november 2022 | 51 min

Casey Winters is a growth advisor and operator who helps companies scale. Casey is a legend of product growth and marketplaces, and, among many other things, he’s an advisor and operator that helps companies address the problem of scale. Most recently, Casey was the Chief Product Officer at Eventbrite. Before that, he had extensive experience working for and advising companies such as Grubhub, Pinterest, Airbnb, Canva, Thumbtack, Reddit, Hipcamp, Faire, and many others. Casey is also a partner at Reforge, one of the leading growth programs available.

Besides sharing real-world experiences from his career, in this episode, Casey provides insights about how companies can leverage their organizational model as a growth lever. Casey explains how the growth model is a unique aspect of each company and highlights the importance of reducing friction to allow growth to flow more strongly. We also discuss how the responsibility for driving network effects often shifts from local teams to more centralized functions over time, and how leaders should think about autonomy when managing growth and product teams.

Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/casey-winters/

Key Highlights of the Conversation
👉 The organizational structure can change according to strategy, especially at the early stage of a business.
👉 Growth model: what it is and the structures you need around it.
👉 OKRs and creative spaces: how should a leader balance these in a team?
👉 How can marketing and growth teams work together?
👉 Brand vs. performance: how a startup should think about it.

To find out more about Casey’s work:
👉 Twitter: https://twitter.com/onecaseman
👉 Website: https://caseyaccidental.com/
👉 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/caseywinters/

Other References and Mentions:
👉 The Types of Product Team Organizational Structures | Casey Accidental: https://caseyaccidental.com/product-organizational-structures/
👉 Conway's law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law
👉 The Autonomy Spectrum: https://caseyaccidental.com/the-autonomy-spectrum
👉 Dynamic creative optimization: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_creative_optimization
👉 Reforge teaching: https://www.reforge.com/advanced-growth-strategy-series

Casey’s Suggested Breadcrumbs (Things Listeners Should Check Out):
👉 Severant - Kuedo: https://kuedo.bandcamp.com/album/severant-2022-edition
👉 Infinite Window - Kuedo: https://kuedo.bandcamp.com/album/infinite-window

Recorded on 17 October 2022.

Get in Touch with Boundaryless:
Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/
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👉 Website: https://boundaryless.io/contacts/
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S4 Ep.02 Bonnitta Roy - Post-Formal Actors inside Organizations: from Deviants to Lifeboats

31 oktober 2022 | 46 min

S4 Ep.01 Chase Chapman - Modularity, Autonomy and Agreements: the future of DAOs and Orgs

17 oktober 2022 | 52 min

Chase Chapman is a DAO researcher at Metropolis, focused on exploring how DAOs will shape the way humans think about and engage in work. She is an angel investor, host of On the Other Side, a podcast exploring the human side of web3, and spends most of her time collaborating with and writing about DAOs.

DAOs—Decentralized Autonomous Organizations—represent one of the most interesting concepts in the blockchain-enabled space. A DAO is a self-governing organization independent from any central authority, and its rules are enforced by smart contracts.

In this episode, Chase helps us better understand how DAOs have evolved over the last few years and explore today’s DAO landscape. We also dive deeper into the possibilities of developing an inter-DAO evolutionary organization model and debate the importance of developing organizational building blocks that can interoperate across DAOs and, eventually, traditional organizations.

With Chase, we also discussed how the atomic unit of the DAO (and organizing) is not the individual contributor but rather the small group, and how DAO tooling is moving from financial tools to cultural and organizational tools. We talked about how traditional organizations can also use this approach (or maybe not) and how DAOs can possibly help governments develop public policies that facilitate social and ecological transition.

Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/chase-chapman/

Key Highlights from the Conversation
👉 The DAO landscape has changed: it was once heavy on automation, now it's a way for companies to become more democratic.
👉 DAO is a modular ecosystem, composed of a “quite monolithic DAO” community.
👉 Trustware vs. Socialware.
👉 How Metropolis’ pods help small groups play a role in the DAO system.
👉 How DAOs can work in a traditional context.

To Find Out More About Chase’s Work:
👉 Chase’s podcast - On The Other Side: https://www.othersidepod.xyz/
👉 Twitter: https://twitter.com/chaserchapman
👉 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chasechapman/
👉 Chase's appearance on Kevin Owoki's podcast Green Pill, where she spoke about Socialware and Trustware: https://newsletter.banklesshq.com/p/34-evolutionary-daos-with-chase-chapman
👉 The original post on Socialware and Trustware: https://blog.metropolis.space/scaling-trust-in-daos-trustware-vs-socialware/

Other References and Mentions:
👉 The DAO: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_DAO_(organization)
👉 Cryptokitties: https://www.cryptokitties.co/
👉 Metalabel: https://www.metalabel.xyz/
👉 David Ronfelt’s TIMN framework: https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/papers/2005/P7967.pdf
👉 Balaji Srinivasan’s The Network State: https://thenetworkstate.com/the-network-state

Chase’s Suggested Breadcrumbs (Things Listeners Should Check Out):
👉 A Prehistory of DAOs by Kei Kreutler: https://gnosisguild.mirror.xyz/t4F5rItMw4-mlpLZf5JQhElbDfQ2JRVKAzEpanyxW1Q
👉 Life after lifestyle by Toby Shorin: https://subpixel.space/entries/life-after-lifestyle/

Get in Touch with Boundaryless:
Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/
👉 Twitter: https://twitter.com/boundaryless_
👉 Website: https://boundaryless.io/contacts/
👉 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/boundaryless-pdt-3eo/

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The Boundaryless Conversations Podcast is back with Season 4

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S3 Ep.20 Gigi Levy Weiss – Investing in Platforms today: Learning, Data drivenness, and Web3

1 augusti 2022 | 67 min

Gigi Levy-Weiss, a Founding Partner at NFX, heads up NFX Israel and is widely known as one of the most prolific investors in the region. Gigi has founded several startups, including Playtika, Beach Bum (acquired by Voodoo), InceptionVR, and Ridge. He was also the CEO of 888 Holdings, one of the world’s leading online gaming companies, and served as Division President at Amdocs, a leading billing and CRM provider. In 2014, Gigi was appointed to Facebook’s EMEA Client Advisory Council, and in 2015, he joined the supervisory board at Bertelsmann, one of the world’s largest media companies.

As a pilot in the Israeli Air Force, Gigi learned the value of striving for excellence at all times, building learning organizations, and that working together as a team is the real secret to winning.

Tune in to this episode as we explore what other industries can learn from gaming companies, the four layers of the evolution of Web3 marketplaces, the existential role of technology—and why Web3 hasn’t changed the world yet.

At the end of the episode, we give a short wrap-up of Season 3 of the podcast—this being the last episode for the season—where we reflect on what we learned and discuss key topics related to organizing at scale. We explore the importance of modularity and composability in markets (also check out this piece: https://boundaryless.io/blog/towards-modular-and-composable-markets/ for more insights), as well as thoughts on our relationship with technology, adopting a regenerative mindset, and convivial organizational models.

A transcript of the episode can be found on our website.

Key Highlights from the Conversation
We discussed:
> What we can learn from the gaming industry in the context of platforms, ecosystems, and marketplaces
> What it means to be a learning organization
> Designing products for people to engage in learning
> How Gigi approaches Web3 as an investor
> The role of centralized services in platforms
> Solving real-world challenges through Web3

To Find Out More About Gigi's Work:
> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gigilevy/
> Twitter: https://twitter.com/gigilevy
> NFX: https://www.nfx.com/

Other References and Mentions:
> Fabrice Grinda and Matias Barbero, “Crypto-Enabled Marketplaces,” 2022: https://fabricegrinda.com/crypto-enabled-marketplaces/
> Showing the Way with Web3 Marketplaces: Braintrust—with Gabriel Luna-Ostaseski: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/braintrust/
> Nathan Schneider, “Web3 Is the Opportunity We Have Had All Along: Innovation Amnesia and Economic Democracy”: https://osf.io/2wg6s?view_only=709f1f87528943a4b27de2b5eb0f9eef

Find Out More About the Show and the Research at Boundaryless:
https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/

Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music

Recorded on 20 July 2022.

S3 Ep.19 Sangeet Choudary – Composability beyond software: building ecosystemic portfolios

18 juli 2022 | 59 min

Sangeet Choudary returns to the show, and in this episode, we unpack key insights from his latest work – The Building Blocks Thesis.

Sangeet Paul Choudary is the founder of Platformation Labs and the best-selling author of Platform Revolution and Platform Scale. He has advised the leadership of more than 30 of the Fortune 500 firms and has been recognized as a Young Global Leader by the World Economic Forum. Sangeet’s work on platforms has been selected by the Harvard Business Review as one of the top 10 ideas in strategy and has been featured three times in the HBR Top 10 Must Reads compilations. He is appointed to advisory boards and committees at several Global 2000 firms and government bodies, including the ING Group, the MAS’s ASEAN Financial Innovation Network, Boson Protocol, and Standard Bank Group, South Africa. Sangeet is a frequent keynote speaker at leading global forums, including the G20 Summit, the World50 Summit, the United Nations, and the World Economic Forum.

In this episode, we delve into Sangeet's recent report and explore how the building block approach can play out in the real-world economy, despite it still being early days. We also discuss why the fundamentals in venture capital will change, the nature of composability, the role of DAOs, and empowering the end-stakeholder.

A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: boundaryless.io/podcast/sangeet-choudary/

Key Highlights from the Conversation
> Markets evolve towards more composability as more of the value chain becomes digitized.
> Traditional extraction models (e.g., economies of complements, data lock-ins, etc.) are challenged.
> Value extraction will move to the venture investing and fund layers.
> Organizations will need to adopt a more DAO-like structure and become more context-rich (3EO framework).

To Find Out More About Sangeet's Work:
> Twitter: twitter.com/sanguit
> LinkedIn: sg.linkedin.com/in/sangeetpaul
> Newsletter: platforms.substack.com/
> Building Blocks Thesis: platformthinkinglabs.com/building-blocks/
You can get an illustrated copy of the Web3 Bootstrapping Playbook, launching in September 2022. Sign up here to get early access: https://bit.ly/3oaRwaP

Other References and Mentions:
> Ekstep Foundation: ekstep.org/
> "Jack Dorsey says VCs really own Web3 (and Web3 boosters are pretty mad about it)", The Verge, December 2021: www.theverge.com/2021/12/21/22848…-capital-twitter
> Re-bundling the Firm around Problems to Be Solved – with Sangeet Paul Choudary: boundaryless.io/podcast/sangeet-paul-choudary/
> Building Permissionless Ecosystems: Data and Infrastructure at DIMO – with Rob Solomon: boundaryless.io/podcast/rob-solomon/

Find Out More About the Show and the Research at Boundaryless:
https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/

Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: boundaryless.io/podcast-music

Recorded on 9 June 2022.

S3 Ep. 18 Lisa Gill – Looking Beyond Teal

8 juli 2022 | 56 min

S3 Ep. 17 Trach – DAOs are Orgs: Moving at the speed of trust (in a trustless environment)

20 juni 2022 | 54 min

Today we're joined by Tracheopteryx – or Trach – a pioneer of decentralized governance, operations, and compensation systems. Trach is co-founder of Coordinape and a previous contributor to yearn finance.

In this conversation, we delve into what DAOs are and why the future lies in this framework. We also talk about the connection between ownership and decision-making, striving for a 'trustless' infrastructure, why we might not see companies like Apple or Google 'go DAO' soon, the role of six-person teams – and why everyone working on DAOs is, in essence, collaborating to create a greater pie.

A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/tracheopteryx/

Key Highlights
We discussed:
> What DAOs are and the key differences with corporate governance.
> Trustless mechanisms and the Blockchain.
> How likely existing traditional players are to embrace DAOs.
> What we mean by the word 'trustless'.
> How non-developers can get involved with DAOs projects.

To Find Out More About Trach’s Work:
> Twitter: https://twitter.com/tracheopteryx
> Website: https://coordinape.com/

Other References and Mentions:
> Compensation in DAOs with Tracheopteryx on the Collectively Intelligent Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/compensation-in-daos-with-tracheopteryx/id1577798978?i=1000538952056
> Helium: https://www.helium.com/technology
> Colony: Distributed Organizations That Actually Work – with Aron Fischer and Jack du Rose: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/colony/
> Moving Beyond Coin Voting Governance by Vitalik Buterin: https://vitalik.ca/general/2021/08/16/voting3.html
> Blue Sky Project: https://blueskyweb.xyz/
> Thirsty Thirsty: https://www.thirstythirsty.org/
> Ronald Coase, The Nature of the Firm, 1937: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-0335.1937.tb00002.x

Find Out More About the Show and the Research at Boundaryless:
https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/

Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music

Recorded on 3 June 2022.

S3 Ep. 16 Rob Solomon – Building permissionless Ecosystems: Data and infrastructure at DIMO

6 juni 2022 | 64 min

Today we’re joined by former guest Rob Solomon, a cofounder at DIMO, a blockchain-enabled IoT protocol for mobility. Rob’s background is in finance, investing, and organizational design. Most recently, he worked at Consensys, the largest Ethereum-focused development company, with a focus on finance, internal economics, and decentralizing the organization. Prior to that, he was at Vroom, a pioneer in the online used-car marketplace sector, and he began his career at the Downtown Project in Las Vegas (a spinoff of Zappos.com), where he worked on investments and implemented holacracy.

Tune in to this episode as we discuss the latest developments in Rob’s work since his last appearance on the podcast, how DIMO is like building a city from scratch, understanding the main functions of an organization, and why the future is bright for DIMO.

A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/rob-solomon/

Key Highlights We Discussed
> DIMO’s infrastructure and open-source technology.
> Creating an organization with permissionless contributions.
> The role of data unions in managing decentralized data ownership.
> Defining decentralized organizing and DIMO’s ecosystem.
> Redefining the thesis of ownership and incentives.
> Raising capital for a Web3 project.

To Find Out More About DIMO and Rob’s Work:
> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsolomon1/
> Twitter: https://twitter.com/robmsolomon
> Website: https://dimo.zone/
> Application: https://app.dimo.zone/
> Documentation on DIMO and the token: https://docs.dimo.zone/dimo-overview/overview/what-is-dimo

Other References and Mentions:
> Software and Protocols for a New Way of Organizing — with Bryan Peters, Rob Solomon & Sascha Kellert: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/bryan-peters-and-sascha-kellert-and-rob-solomon/
> DIMO Podcast #1: Rob Solomon & Kacy Qua: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gno-bhNHxGk

Find Out More About the Show and the Research at Boundaryless:
https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/

Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music

Recorded on 17 May 2022.

S3 Ep. 15 Phoebe Tickell – Growing Institutional Imagination Capacity and Collective Intelligence in a Complex World

23 maj 2022 | 58 min

Phoebe Tickell is a biologist and systems thinker developing methodologies and approaches suited for a better world. She is an innovator with a background in the biological sciences, technology, social entrepreneurship, and systems design. She left the scientific academy with the knowledge that an understanding of complex systems could be applied to real-world pressing issues and that bridges were needed to stretch from theory to practice.

She works across multiple societal contexts applying a complexity and systems thinking lens and has worked in organizational design, advised government, the education sector, and the food and farming sector. She is a co-founder of the DGov Foundation – a community of distributed governance practitioners – and a member of Enspiral, a community innovating in decentralizing power and developing decentralized tools and technologies. In 2020, she also created Moral Imaginations to push the frontier of research and implement collective imagination exercises that inspire change and solutions for an era of unprecedented disruption and potential transformation.

It’s clear that society needs direction when it comes to change, and in today’s episode we explore how imagination gives us the ability to think beyond traditional frames. Join us as we delve into training a new breed of activists, mapping unintended consequences, coordinating on a massive scale, and accounting for future generations in the choices we make.

A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/phoebe-tickell/

Key Highlights We Discussed
> Why imagination has become central to building the future.
> The moral elements of new ways of organizing.
> How diverse teams or communities can work from shared principles.
> The importance of staying connected to local communities.
> Why coordination is not “everything” for DAOs.

To Find Out More About Phoebe’s Work:
> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/phoebetickell/
> Twitter: https://twitter.com/solarpunk_girl
> Website: http://www.phoebetickell.com/
> Moral Imaginations: https://www.moralimaginations.com/
> Moral Imaginations Twitter: https://twitter.com/moral_imagining
> Moral Imaginations Substack: https://moralimaginations.substack.com/

Other References and Mentions:
> Indy Johar, A Development Future: https://medium.com/hub-engine/a-developmental-future-21bf6412625e
> The Manifesto for Moral Imagination: https://medium.com/moral-imaginations/a-manifesto-for-moral-imagination-dbf62f0cb7aa
> Trans-contextual Organizing: Shifting Perceptions — with Nora Bateson: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/nora-bateson/
> Daniel Schmachtenberger: https://civilizationemerging.com/about/
> Kevin Owocki, The Green Pill, with Phoebe Tickell: https://greenpill.substack.com/p/12-solarpunk-girl-phoebe-tickell?s=r
> L. M. Sacasas – Building a Convivial Society: Autonomy, Tools, Scale, and Capabilities: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/l-m-sacasas/
> MetaGov: https://metagov.org/
> Colony: Distributed Organizations That Actually Work – with Aron Fischer and Jack du Rose: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/colony/
> Samantha Slay, Going Horizontal: https://goinghorizontal.co/
> New Citizenship Project: https://www.newcitizenship.org.uk/

Find Out More About the Show and the Research at Boundaryless:
https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/

Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music

Recorded on 19 April 2022.

S3 Ep. 14 Adam Jackson – Developing and Investing in Web3 Networks: Double Clicking on Braintrust

9 maj 2022 | 49 min

S3 Ep. 13 Antoinette Weibel and Otti Vogt – The ‘Good’ and the ‘Bad’ organization: an ethics perspective

25 april 2022 | 63 min

Today we find out how to bridge philosophy, psychology, and management science to understand how businesses can enable a "good society." We are joined by two experts in this field, Antoinette Weibel and Otti Vogt, to find out what questions we need to be asking.

Professor Dr. Antoinette Weibel is a full professor for human resource management at the University of St. Gallen. She is President of the Executive Committee of the Institute for Systemic Management and Public Governance at the University of St.Gallen and a member of the Executive Committee of the Institute for Media and Communications Management and the Institute for Business Ethics. Her current core project, ‘Good Organisations’, examines how organisations can become better members of society.

Otti Vogt is a disruptive thought leader with over 20 years of experience in implementing strategic business change in multicultural, complex environments and in crafting human-centric learning organisations. As COO and Chief Transformation Officer at ING, he led ING’s global digital transformation programme and oversaw operational service performance for over 20 million customers worldwide. He is also a certified leadership coach, associate of the Globally Responsible Leadership Initiative (GRLI), and was recently named a Top 20 Global Thought Leader on Agile.

Tune in to this episode as we explore the power of framing the right questions, how we can enable each other’s flourishing, the role of high-quality relationships and active reflection – and why no single idea will solve everything.

A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/antoinette-weibel-and-otti-vogt/

Key Highlights We Discussed
> What do we mean by doing ‘good’ or ‘bad’ in business?
> The impact of plurality and multiculturalism.
> The power of sociality and facilitating higher quality relationships.
> Defining a ‘flourishing’ individual and society.
> Balancing globalism vs. community and landscape.

To Find Out More About Otti and Antoinette’s Work:
> Otti’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ottivogt
> Otti’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/Otti_Vogt
> Antoinette’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/antoinette-weibel/
> Antoinette’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/antoinetteprof
> Website: https://goodorganisations.com/

Other References and Mentions:
> Good Organisations’ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMTzXIuJLFz0IcJYztHPShQ
> Building a Convivial Society: Autonomy, Tools, Scale, and Capabilities – with L.M. Sacasas: https://www.boundaryless.io/podcast/l-m-sacasas/
> Lorsch, Jay W. “Organization Design: A Situational Perspective.” Organizational Dynamics 6, no. 2 (1977): 2–14. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0090261677900420

Find Out More About the Show and the Research at Boundaryless:
https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/

Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music

Recorded on 22 March 2022.

S3 Ep. 12 Jon Alexander – The citizen story: stepping into a many-to-many society

11 april 2022 | 63 min

Jon Alexander began his career in advertising, winning the prestigious Big Creative Idea of the Year, before making a dramatic change. Driven by a deep need to understand the impact on society of 3,000 commercial messages a day, he gathered three Masters degrees, exploring consumerism and its alternatives from every angle.

In 2014, he co-founded the New Citizenship Project with Irenie Ekkeshi to bring the resulting ideas into contact with reality. Since then, they have been on a mission to figure out how to use our skills — not just to sell stuff — to Consumers, and involve people in the decisions that affect their lives as Citizens.

In this engaging conversation, Jon shares some great insights from his latest book Citizens: Why the Key to Fixing Everything is All of Us. We also explore how we can move away from being a passive consumer to being an active agent, how collective power leads to exponential results, the responsibility we have to build our own systems, and what a Citizen democracy means for the government.

A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/jon-alexander/

Key Highlights

Defining Citizenship
The Subject and Consumer stories versus the Citizen story
How leaders of organizations can help to empower people to be Citizens
Becoming active agents of change and investing in the future

To Find Out More About Jon's Work:

Twitter: twitter.com/jonjalex
Website: www.jonalexander.net
New Citizenship Project: www.newcitizenship.org.uk
Book: Citizens: Why the Key to Fixing Everything is All of Us

Other References and Mentions:

Ouishare Fest: www.ouishare.net/fest
Arlie Hochschild, The Deep Stories of Our Time: onbeing.org/programs/arlie-hoch…tories-of-our-time
Dark Matter Labs - #BeyondTheRules with Indy Johar and Annette Dhami: boundaryless.io/podcast/dark-matter-labs
Gov0 in Taiwan: g0v.asia
Rob Davies, Phasing out Russian Oil: How UK Consumers Can Help the War Effort, 2022: theguardian.com/environment/2022/…-the-war-effort
Better Reykjavik: citizens.is/portfolio_page/better_reykjavik
The Liège Food Belt: communitiesforfuture.org/get-inspired…elt-belgium
Why Blockchain Should Be Plural: Cosmos and Inter-Blockchain Communication – with Ethan Buchman: boundaryless.io/podcast/ethan-buchman
Rebecca Solnit, A Paradise Built in Hell: The Extraordinary Communities That Arise in Disaster, 2010: amazon.com/Paradise-Built-He…es/dp/0143118072

Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at boundaryless.io/resources/podcast

Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: boundaryless.io/podcast-music

Recorded on 13 March 2022.

S3 Ep. 11 Michele Zanini – Firms as socially dense markets

28 mars 2022 | 59 min

S3 Ep. 10 Ethan Buchman – Why Blockchain should be plural: Cosmos and Inter-Blockchain Communication

14 mars 2022 | 57 min

S3 Ep. 9 Lucía Hernandez – Regenerative Platform Models: What do we mean?

1 mars 2022 | 50 min

Lucía Hernández is an expert in Platform Economy and New Emerging Trends. She has been working with organizations of all types to apply platform-ecosystems strategies. Lucía has contributed to research with global organizations and has helped design public policies related to short rental accommodation within the European Commission, IDB, and local governments.

In the last two years, Lucía has been studying the intersections between regenerative design and platform design to help public and private organizations adopt a regenerative platform-ecosystem mindset.

In this conversation, we delve into the roots of regenerative thinking and why the movement is gaining momentum. It was fascinating to learn from Lucía’s expertise about what we can learn from nature, how regenerative thinking is a process – not a goal, redefining ‘abundance,’ and some new organizations that are emerging in the platform economy.

A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/lucia-hernandez/

Key Highlights

What is regenerative thinking and where does it come from?
Lucía’s six key principles of regenerative design
The ultimate aim of the regenerative thinking movement
The role of place-based economies
The abundance versus scarcity mindset
Community wealth and investing

To Find Out More About Lucía’s Work:

Twitter: https://twitter.com/luciahdez3
Website: https://luciahernandez.co/
Lucía Hernandez, Regenerative Platform Design Principles: Regenerative Platform Design Principles
Lucía Hernandez, Regenerative Platform Business Models - The Next Generation of Platforms: Regenerative Platform Business Models
TEDx talk on regenerative tourism (in Spanish): Watch here

Other References and Mentions:

Buckminster Fuller (1970). I Seem To Be A Verb: Goodreads
Showing the way with Web3 Marketplaces: Braintrust — with Gabriel Luna-Ostaseski: Episode
The Restorative 20s: Why and How the 2020s Can Be the Decade of Regenerative Business, Podcast episode with Danielle Peltier Andrews: Listen here
Narrative decentralization and the future of progress — with Jason Crawford: Episode
Organizing in Nested Systems: Re-regionalisation, Landscape, and Global Solidarity — with Daniel Wahl: Episode
Marjorie Kelly: marjoriekelly.org
Trans-contextual Organizing: Shifting Perceptions — with Nora Bateson: Episode

Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/

Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music

Recorded on 10 February 2022.

S3 Ep. 8 L. M. Sacasas – Building a convivial society: autonomy, tools, scale and capabilities

15 februari 2022 | 55 min

What does it mean to create convivial organizations and platforms? Today we explore the relationship between technology and society with L. M. Sacasas – and what we can learn from the philosopher Ivan Illich (1926-2002).

L. M. Sacasas is the Associate Director of the Christian Study Center of Gainesville, Florida, and author of The Convivial Society, a newsletter about technology and society. Michael has written for The New Atlantis, The New Inquiry, Real Life Magazine, Mere Orthodoxy, Rhizomes, The American, and Second Nature Journal.

Ivan Illich was a philosopher, Roman Catholic priest, and critic of the institutions of modern Western culture, addressing practices in education, medicine, work, energy use, transportation, and economic development.

In this episode, we explore what we mean by conviviality, having tools to empower – not de-skill – humans, the necessity of limits, re-envisioning the good life, and why Ivan Illich has such a big following in today's society.

A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/l-m-sacasas/

Key Highlights

The meaning of conviviality and the influence of Ivan Illich on L. M. Sacasas’ work
The accuracy of Ivan Illich’s predictions on mental health, education, and work
Examples of convivial tools
Identifying how to measure progress and where to aim better
Why the real world needs to embrace virtual reality

To Find Out More About Michael’s Work:

Twitter: https://twitter.com/LMSacasas
The Convivial Society newsletter: https://theconvivialsociety.substack.com/

Other References and Mentions:

The Abolition of Institutions: On Ivan Illich with LM Sacasas and Nina Power
Ivan Illich, Tools for Conviviality, 1973: Amazon
Ivan Illich, Deschooling Society, 1971: Wikipedia
Thinking After Ivan Illich
David Chalmers, Reality+, 2022: Amazon
PD Smith, Reality+ by David J Chalmers review – are we living in a simulation?
Boundaryless Whitepaper, New Foundations of Platform-Ecosystem Thinking — Designing Products and Organizations for a changing world, 2020: Download here

Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/

Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music

Recorded on 20 January 2022.

S3 Ep. 7 Mara Zepeda – Ownership, Governance and Culture: Building Zebras, not Unicorns

1 februari 2022 | 60 min

S3 Ep. 6 - Framing the Platform-Ecosystem Space at the dawn of 2022

18 januari 2022 | 43 min

S3 Ep. 5 Jason Crawford – Narrative decentralization and the future of progress

4 januari 2022 | 51 min

S3 Ep. 4 Gabriel Luna-Ostaseski – Showing the way with Web 3 Marketplaces: Braintrust

21 december 2021 | 52 min

Today we are joined by Gabriel Luna-Ostaseski, the Co-Founder of Braintrust — the first user-controlled talent network that provides enterprises with the highly skilled technical and design talent they need. In this conversation we explore how Braintrust operates, the providers they work with, and how staking Braintrust tokens — BTrust — help to build trust and build quality of supply in the Braintrust network. Prior to founding Braintrust, Gabe co-founded the home improvement marketplace Modernize.com. Recently he has consulted, advised, and invested in 50+ Silicon Valley startups including Thumbtack, Uber, Surfair and Lendinghome, Metromile and Massdrop. The first five companies he advised raised over $300M in follow-on funding. A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/braintrust/ Key highlights of the conversation We discussed:> How radically dropping for both sides of the marketplace provides incentives to stay on the platform and unlock a whole new type and scale of transactions > How incentives can be used to make the network perform key value contributions such as referrals, vetting, and assessing the quality of transactions > How Staking (of tokens) emerges as the new primitive of building trust in the network> Using Web3 without making things overly complicated > The institutional complexity of building for the web 3: one foundation, 6 service providers, and a community> How SAFT bootstrapping can be used as a new way to valorize an early-stage company versus the traditional ways (discontinuous valuation steps at liquidity events). To find out more about Gabe’s work: > Website: https://www.usebraintrust.com/ > Twitter: https://twitter.com/gabelunao > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabelunaostaseski Other references and mentions: > Jesse Walden, Progressive Decentralisation, a16z:https://a16z.com/2020/01/09/progressive-decentralization-crypto-product-management/ > Outcooperating the Competition: https://stories.platformdesigntoolkit.com/outcooperating-the-competition-42d0223dbb2c > Startup Grind Cape Town hosts Gabriel Luna-Ostaseski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxj3sMw3QoE > “Seven Startup Sales Sins” by Gabriel Luna-Ostaseski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxz4jLLm6qI > “How To Scale Your Startup” by Gabriel Luna-Ostaseski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirIJp-t0Ng Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/ Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music Recorded on 11 November 2021.

S3 Ep. 3 Ivan Draganov – What‘s next for marketplaces: Fintech, B2B and more

7 december 2021 | 47 min

Today we are joined by Ivan Draganov, Lead Online Marketplaces Analyst at Dealroom.co, to share his latest insights on how fintech-enabled marketplaces are creating more value than either marketplaces and financial services alone. Ivan is leading Dealroom.co's intelligence efforts on Online marketplaces. Dealroom.co is a global provider of data and intelligence on startups and tech ecosystems. They work with many of the world's most prominent investors, entrepreneurs and government organizations to provide transparency, analysis and insights on venture capital activity. Their mission is to accelerate entrepreneurship and innovation through data for governments, corporates, VCs and founders. A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/ivan/ Key highlights of the conversation We discussed: The role of financial services in reducing friction in marketplaces. Fintech as a way for marketplaces to keep up with innovations like escrow, insurance and early pay-outs, etc. Future prospects and research, especially in the B2B space. Changing consumer expectations influenced by issues like climate change, circular economy and Covid-19. The evolving definition of a “marketplace” considering the trends discussed. To find out more about Ivan’s work: > Website: https://dealroom.co/ > Dealroom’s Newsletters: https://dealroom.co/newsletters > Ivan’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivandraganov/ Other references and mentions: > The Future of Marketplaces: Fintech-Enabled: https://dealroom.co/reports/the-future-of-marketplaces-fintech-enabled > Platform for marketplaces research: https://marketplaces.dealroom.co/intro > Alex Rampell - Visa: The Original Protocol Business: https://www.joincolossus.com/episodes/46164128/rampell-visa-the-original-protocol-business Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/ Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music Recorded on 5 November 2021.

S3 Ep. 2 Annette Dhami and Indy Johar – Dark Matter Labs: rethinking organizing #BeyondTheRules

23 november 2021 | 72 min

Dark Matter Labs is a multidisciplinary design team developing new working methods for system change. Today we’re joined by Indy Johar and Annette Dhami to discuss their mission of discovering, designing and developing the institutional ‘dark matter’ that supports a more democratic, distributed and sustainable future. Indy Johar is a founding Director of 00 and Dark Matter Labs. An architect by training, Indy is a Senior Innovation Associate with the Young Foundation and a visiting Professor at the University of Sheffield. He co-founded Impact Hub Birmingham and Open Systems Lab, and was a member of the RSA’s Inclusive Growth Commission. He is a thought leader in system change, the future of urban infrastructure finance, outcome-based investment, and the future of governance. Annette Dhami spent over a decade building, operating and driving mission-led (and often place-based) organisations and networks, including Impact Hubs (Brixton and Islington) and the Plymouth Social Enterprise Network, exploring how we organise, finance, use buildings, build networks and create economies for shared benefit. Annette joined Dark Matter Labs in 2020 to focus more deeply on how we organise and operate (in theory and creating this in practice) for transition. She holds the organising and operational work of the international Dark Matter Labs ecosystem (read more about that here), and explores these organising questions more deeply in the multi-partner #BeyondtheRules project. A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/dark-matter-labs/ Key highlights: We discussed: Dark Matter Labs’ ambitions for creating a real learning organisation. Governing by building learning capacity inside organisations. The theory of genius to make people accountable through care and learning. The ability to work diagonally across local and global dimensions. Creating markets and new theories of value. The tension and spectrum between “patronising” governance and fostering autonomous (almost autocratic) entrepreneurialism. Making space for care and innovation at every point in the system. To find out more about Annette Dhami and Indy Johar’s work: > Website: https://darkmatterlabs.org/ > Annette’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/annette-dhami-1735554a/ > Indy’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/indy-johar-b440b010/ Other references and mentions: > DM Notes Series: https://provocations.darkmatterlabs.org/ > The Beyond The Rules project: https://provocations.darkmatterlabs.org/beyondtherules-e3ab44f0dc3 > Organising #BeyondTheRules series: https://provocations.darkmatterlabs.org/organising-beyondtherules-at-dark-matter-labs-e59e4f5dd32f Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/ Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music Recorded on 26 October 2021.

S3 Ep. 1 Aron Fischer and Jack du Rose – Colony: distributed organizations that actually work

9 november 2021 | 57 min

In this first episode of Season 3, we talk to Jack du Rose and Aron Fischer from Colony.io — an infrastructure for internet native companies and a key player in the evolution of Decentralised Autonomous Organisations (DAOs). Jack du Rose is a former jeweller, current blockchain nerd, and founder of Colony. He is excited by the power shift our decentralized future brings. When not making $100m diamond skulls, or paradigm shifting social platforms, Jack enjoys sesquipedalianism, bathos, and a nice cup of tea and a sit down. Aron Fischer graduated with a PhD in Mathematics in 2015. Since then he has been researching the computer science aspects of programming in a blockchain environment. He is fascinated by the interplay of mathematics, economics, technology, and human nature that is inherent in systems. He has worked for the Ethereum Foundation and the Swarm team, and is a co-author of the Colony whitepaper. He continues to be involved with DAOs in general and the Colony project in particular. A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/colony/ Key highlights: Organizing is about distributing budget through reputation. Time-based self-executing makes organizations have more bias towards action. New priorities: affordances make (human) capability building possible. Contribution accounting and making “reputation as currencies”. DAOs modules (decision making, consensus, and execution). Entrepreneurial work can’t be commoditized. Network effects lie in connecting practitioners. To find out more about Aron and Jack’s work: > Website: https://colony.io/ > Colony’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/joincolony Other references and mentions: > Collectively Intelligent Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/collectively-intelligent/id1577798978 > The EEEO Toolkit: https://boundaryless.io/resources/#toolkits > ShapeShift: https://shapeshift.com/ > COLONY Technical White Paper, 2020: https://colony.io/whitepaper.pdf Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at: https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/ Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music Recorded on 14 October 2021.

S2 Ep. 21 Tim O’Reilly – How Software is Infusing the World and What it Means

12 juli 2021 | 69 min

If you’ve heard any of the terms “open source software”, “web 2.0”, or “government as a platform”, you’ll be familiar with today’s guest – Tim O’Reilly – who has helped popularise these big ideas. Tim is the founder, CEO, and Chairman of O’Reilly Media, the company that has been providing the picks and shovels of learning to the Silicon Valley gold rush for the past 35 years. The company's online learning and knowledge-on-demand platform at oreilly.com is used by thousands of enterprises and millions of individuals worldwide, and has a long history of convening conversations that reshape the computer industry. Tim is also a partner at early-stage venture firm O'Reilly AlphaTech Ventures and on the board of Code for America. He is the author of many technical books published by O’Reilly Media, and most recently ‘WTF?: What’s the Future and Why It’s Up to Us’. He is a visiting professor of practice at the Institute for Innovation and Public Purpose at University College London, headed by Mariana Mazzucato – mentioned more than once in this conversation – and is working on a new book about why we need to rethink antitrust in the era of internet-scale platforms. In today’s episode, which is the Grand Finale for this season, we explore the future of internet-enabled organizations, and how to think about value creation and regulation of these tech-companies. Listen on to find out what we can learn from the Golden Age of the internet, how platforms like Google and Amazon have lost their way over the years - and are now breeding their own competition - and what Tim thinks about Government-funded innovations. As the software industry is becoming more at the heart of everything in society, we need to create systems that enable more value than they capture. If you want to hang on a bit after Tim’s final words, the co-hosts bring a brief wrap-up of the season and let you know the next plans for Boundaryless research activities. It’s been quite a ride this season too, and we are so grateful for both our loyal listeners and every guest who are pushing the boundaries of the future of organizing. Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our Medium publication: https://platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast-S2E21-Tim-O'Reilly To find out more about Tim’s work: > Website: https://www.oreilly.com/ > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timo3 > Twitter: https://twitter.com/timoreilly Other references and mentions: > Brad Stone, Amazon Unbound, 2021: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Amazon-Unbound-Brad-Stone/dp/1398500968 > Tim O’Reilly, ‘Why Elon Musk Is So Rich?’, 2021: https://www.oreilly.com/radar/why-elon-musk-is-so-rich/ > Tim O’Reilly, ‘The End of Silicon Valley as We Know It?’, 2021: https://www.oreilly.com/radar/the-end-of-silicon-valley-as-we-know-it/ > Tim O’Reilly, WTF?: What's the Future and Why It's Up to Us, 2017, https://www.amazon.co.uk/WTF-Whats-Future-Why-Its/dp/0062565710/ > Adam Smith, Supermoney, 1972: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Supermoney-Wiley-Investment-Classics-Smith/dp/0471786314/r > Time O’Reilly, ‘The End of Silicon Valley as We Know It?’, 2021: https://www.oreilly.com/radar/the-end-of-silicon-valley-as-we-know-it/ Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music Recorded on 24 June 2021.

S2 Ep. 20 Matthew Skelton – On the Convergence between Software and Organizations

28 juni 2021 | 60 min

It’s undeniable that the role of software in any modern organisation is essential – untangling software from the organization is almost impossible today. With new solutions emerging as part of the low-code or no-code movement, what’s the best way to organise around software effectively? Why is it so important to remove hand-offs between teams and to ensure that self-directed teams can be enabled by platforms? What are the overlaps between the world of DevOps and the work we’re doing at Boundaryless around ecosystemic, and entrepreneurial organizations? To better understand these questions, we bring on Matthew Skelton, co-author with Manuel Pais of ‘Team Topologies: organizing business and technology teams for fast flow’. It’s a seminal text that speaks about how to build the best team structure around the role that software has for your specific organisation. Matthew is recognised by TechBeacon in 2018, 2019, and 2020 as one of the top 100 people to follow in DevOps. He curates the well-known DevOps team topologies patterns at devopstopologies.com. He is also Head of Consulting at Conflux and specialises in continuous delivery, operability, and organisation dynamics for modern software systems. In this conversation, Matthew helps highlight the real impact of digital transformation on companies, and what it means for team coordination. Join us as we explore key insights from his and Manuel’s book ‘Team Topologies’, low-code development platforms, API-drivenness, observability, and the impact of market validation and software-centric ways of organizing. Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our Medium publication: https://platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast-S2E20-Matthew-Skelton To find out more about Matthew’s work: > Website: https://teamtopologies.com/ > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewskelton/ > Team Topologies Academy: https://academy.teamtopologies.com/ > Team Topologies Partner Program: https://teamtopologies.com/partner-program Other references and mentions: > Matthew Skelton and Manuel Pais, Team Topologies: Organizing Business and Technology Teams for Fast Flow, 2019: https://www.amazon.com/Team-Topologies-Organizing-Business-Technology/dp/1942788819 > IT Revolution: https://itrevolution.com/ > Domain Driven Design Community: https://www.dddcommunity.org/ > Core Domain Charts: https://github.com/ddd-crew/core-domain-charts > Conway’s Law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law > “Building Extensible Platforms”, Shopify case study: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GqGNA8GnOOE&feature=youtu.be Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music Recorded on 7 June 2021.

S2 Ep. 19 Nathan Schneider – From Platform Coops to Exit to Community

14 juni 2021 | 56 min

We explore how entrepreneurship within cooperative movements help to drive community ownership in the online economy. We’re excited to be joined by Nathan Schneider, a professor of media studies at the University of Colorado Boulder, who we know from the early days of the platform coop movement, when he participated in the first ever Ouishare Fest in 2013. The very fact that Ouishare Fest brought Nathan together with Trebor Schultz for the first time is telling of what a powerful space that Ouishare Fest provides. And this year, Ouishare Fest is back, organised next week right at the outskirts of Paris - from 23 to 25 June. Check it out at http://ouisharefest2021.com/. Currently, Nathan Schnieder directs the Media Enterprise Design Lab, and he has written books on cooperative enterprise, the Occupy movement, God, and the Internet. He is truly fascinated by the chronicling of ideas, of perfect worlds, of ordinary imaginations in practice. With his experimental attitude, Nathan believes that every word is a hypothesis and a test. Tune in to this episode as we explore the cooperative movement and the different forms of community opportunities it provides. We also discuss ‘benevolent dictatorship’, levels of community participation, multi-stakeholder structures, and what we mean by community. Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our Medium publication: https://platformdesigntoolkit.com/Podcast-S2E19-Nathan-Schneider To find out more about Nathan’s work: > Website: https://nathanschneider.info/ > MEDLab: https://www.colorado.edu/lab/medlab/ Other references and mentions: > Ouishare Fest: https://www.ouishare.net/fest > Start.coop: https://start.coop/ > Stocksy United: https://www.stocksy.com/ > Nathan Schneider, Everything for Everyone: The Radical Tradition That Is Shaping the Next Economy, 2018: https://www.amazon.com/Everything-Everyone-Radical-Tradition-Shaping-ebook/dp/B078W6L1V7 > Loco: https://loco.coop/ > Morshed Mannan and Nathan Schneider, Exit To Community: Strategies for Multi-Stakeholder Ownership in the Platform Economy, 2021: https://georgetownlawtechreview.org/exit-to-community-strategies-for-multi-stakeholder-ownership-in-the-platform-economy/GLTR-05-2021/ > Nathan Schneider, Mediated ownership: capital as media, 2020: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0163443719899035 > S2 EP. 18: Software and Protocols for a new way of Organizing — with Bryan Peters, Rob Solomon & Sascha Kellert: https://stories.platformdesigntoolkit.com/software-and-protocols-for-a-new-way-of-organizing-with-bryan-peters-rob-solomon-sascha-710b858dd77b > The Metagovernance Project: https://metagov.org/ > Nathan Schneider, Primavera De Filippi, Seth Frey, Joshua Z. Tan, Amy X. Zhang, Modular Politics: Toward a Governance Layer for Online Communities, 2021: https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3449090 Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music Recorded on 1 June 2021.

S2 Ep.18 B. Peters, R. Solomon, S. Kellert: Software and Protocols for a new way of Organizing

31 maj 2021 | 64 min

In our research at Boundaryless on the concept of the Entrepreneurial Ecosystem Enabling Organisation, aka EEEO or 3EO, we’ve been wondering if a common approach to organizational development is emerging from the success stories of several pioneers, such as Haier Group, Amazon, Buurtzorg and others. In this conversation, Simone is joined by several guests who have experience to share in this field. The first one is Bryan Peters, co-founder at Sobol.io - an app that helps teams visualize and manage dynamic organizational accountability structures - and is focused to explore what opportunities live at the intersection of human collaboration networks and decentralized technologies like the Ethereum blockchain. We’re also joined by Rob Solomon, founder of Cone, which is an application that enables companies to organize themselves as a platform, where teams operate and interact with one another in a marketplace as if each were its own autonomous startup. Rob also worked with ConsenSys, Zappos, and The Downtown Project on various experiments with Holacracy and marketplace dynamics. Finally, we’re joined by Sascha Kellert, the Founder of Rekursive, a venture-backed startup building the ownership economy aimed at making it easy for platforms and creators to make any person a co-owner in their business – simply through the web without lawyers or notaries. In this episode, we discuss the 3EO ecosystem concept and the impact of the ownership economy. Tune in to learn more about how crypto can help design powerful new incentive structures and visual tools, and striving to work from a shared grammar. Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our Medium publication: https://platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast-S2E18 To find out more about their work: > Bryan's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bryan-peters-3125373/ > Sobol: https://sobol.io/ > Rob's Twitter: https://twitter.com/robmsolomon > Cone: https://www.cone.network/ > Sascha's Twitter: https://twitter.com/kellert > Rekursive: https://rekursive.org/ Other references and mentions: > Viable Systems Model by Stafford Beer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viable_system_model > Last mover advantage: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/last-mover-advantage > Phantom equity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_stock > Corporate Rebels Articles by Rob Solomon: https://corporate-rebels.com/rebel/robsolomon/ > EEEO Toolkit: https://platformdesigntoolkit.com/eeeo-toolkit/ Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music Recorded on 5 May 2021

S2 Ep. 17 Gregory Landua – Platform for Ecological Regeneration

17 maj 2021 | 64 min

Today we’re joined by co-founder and co-Chief Regeneration Officer of Regen Network, Gregory Landua. Regen Network is a land ecological commons management platform and the backbone for a new approach to ecosystem service markets based on verified ecological state. Their community of actors engage with ecological regeneration, ecological monitoring, verification, distributed computing and technology development, centered around Regen Ledger. Network members track specific changes of land, oceans and watersheds. By improving our understanding of ecosystems and enabling rewards for verified positive changes, Regen Network catalyses the regeneration of the earth's ecosystems. Gregory embraces the practical aspects of regenerative agriculture design by being a tropical agroforestry farm owner and manager, and for many years worked to assist farms and communities in a variety of climate zones as a permaculture designer. He has studied marine and terrestrial ecology and evolutionary biology in the Galapagos Islands, translated for Amazonian rainforest guides, fought wildfires in the wilderness of Alaska, lived in established ecovillages, founded a successful work-live cooperative, and studied the nuances of ecology and ethics. In this lively conversation, we explore the impact of making information available to all. Tune in to learn more about ecological state claims and assets, proof of work, ‘moneyness’, and the relationship between transparency and accessibility in blockchain. Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our Medium publication: https://platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast-S2E17-Gregory-Landua To find out more about Gregory’s work: > Website: https://www.regen.network/ > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregory-landua-4953b29/ > Join the Regen Network Discord channel: https://discord.gg/HedKw7etJt > Key papers: https://regen-network.gitlab.io/whitepaper/WhitePaper.pdf https://regen-network.gitlab.io/whitepaper/Economics.pdf Other references and mentions: > Ep. 10 Indy Johar - Redrawing the Human Development thesis for the 21st Century: https://stories.platformdesigntoolkit.com/redrawing-the-human-development-thesis-for-the-21st-century-with-indy-johar-5d45d2770170 > RadicalxChange: https://www.radicalxchange.org/ > S2 Ep. 13 Nora Bateson – Trans-contextual Organizing: Shifting Perceptions: https://stories.platformdesigntoolkit.com/trans-contextual-organizing-shifting-perceptions-with-nora-bateson-5a2f233b9d23 > S2 Ep. 5 Dave Snowden – Building Scalable Organizations that can Deal with Uncertainty: https://stories.platformdesigntoolkit.com/with-dave-snowden-88ef04b7fadb > Yuk Hui, The Question Concerning Technology in China: An Essay in Cosmotechnics, 2016: https://www.amazon.com/Question-Concerning-Technology-China-Cosmotechnics/dp/0995455007 Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music Recorded on 23 April 2021.

S2 Ep.16 Jabe Bloom – Platforming inside and between organizations: differentiation, scale, and scope

3 maj 2021 | 69 min

Today’s guest is Jabe Bloom, in conversation with Simone and Emanuele Quintarelli, Boundaryless’ EEEO Micro Enterprise Lead. With Jabe, we look into how, increasingly in an age of technologically powered organizations, thriving means the ability to enable “the three economies” of differentiation, scale and scope at the same time. The key question is: what’s the role of platforms and ecosystems in this shift? During the chat we explore topics such as managing organizational commons, ensuring continuity between the organization and its ecosystem, decentralizing information, sympoietic versus autopoietic systems, maneuver warfare theory, cosmopolitan localism, the role of social practice and methodologies in institutional innovation and so much more. We focus on the interplay between these trends and organizational development. Jabe Bloom is part of Red Hat’s Global Transformation Office, where he services as a senior director. He has been working to explore the complex interactions between design, innovation, development, and operational excellence in organizations for more than 20 years. Jabe is currently writing his dissertation in pursuit of a Ph.D. in Design Studies at Carnegie Mellon University (PA) – his research focuses on the field of Transition Design and informs an ongoing exploration of the practice of design and strategy with a select group of international clients. Tune in to this informative conversation as we learn more about Jabe’s research, and his theories on organisational design and platform thinking. Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our Medium publication: https://platformdesigntoolkit.com/Podcast-S2E16-Jabe-Bloom To find out more about Jabe’s work: > Website: http://blog.jabebloom.com/ > Twitter: https://twitter.com/cyetain > Red Hat: https://www.redhat.com/en Other references and mentions: > Herbert Simon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_A._Simon > Paul Lawrence and Jay Lorsch, Organization and Environment: Managing Differentiation and Integration, 1968: https://www.amazon.com/Organization-Environment-Managing-Differentiation-Integration/dp/0875841295 > Bruno Latour: http://www.bruno-latour.fr/index-2.html > Elinor Ostrom: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elinor_Ostrom Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music Recorded on 9 April 2021.

S2 Ep. 15 Archna Haylock and Steve Helvie – Open Ecosystem Strategies: Catalyzing Change in Industries

19 april 2021 | 51 min

Creating Ecosystems around open source standards and the Commons is a challenging task that has been taken strategically by many of the dominating brands of our times - such as Google with Android. For this reason, we wanted to feature one iconic project on the podcast that we often use as a yardstick when debating opportunities to develop truly open ecosystem strategies: the Open Compute Project Foundation, initiated by Facebook in 2011. Details on what OCP is and does will be shared directly during the podcast by our guests: Steve Helvie, VP of Channel, and Archna Haylock, Community Director at OCP. In his role, Steve helps to educate organizations on the benefits of open source hardware designs and the value of “community-driven” engineering for the data center. Archna, on the other hand, is responsible for the global community, and involved directly in its governance processes. In this inspiring conversation - we touch upon the topics of innovation, collaboration and industry change - and our two guests show how openness can provide solutions to an increasing set of global challenges. We explore what’s needed for organizations to collaborate in an open source way, how to view competitors in the ecosystem, and how the definition of a data centre has changed through emerging needs for circularity and sustainability. Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our Medium publication: https://platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast-S2E15-Steve-Helvie-Archna-Haylock To find out more about Archna’s and Steve’s work: > Archna’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/archnahaylock > Archna’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/ArchnaOCP > Steve’s LinkedIn: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/steve-helvie-37935712 > Steve’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/stevehelvie > Website: https://www.opencompute.org/ Other references and mentions: > Boundaryless Whitepaper, New Foundations of Platform-Ecosystem Thinking — Designing Products and Organizations for a changing world, 2020: https://platformdesigntoolkit.com/DOWNLOAD-NF > Building Complex Organizations through Simple Constraints: Zappos — with John Bunch: https://stories.platformdesigntoolkit.com/building-complex-organizations-through-simple-constraints-zappos-with-john-bunch-a2aaa916663e > Open Networking Foundation: https://opennetworking.org/ > Telecom Infra Project (TIP): https://telecominfraproject.com/ > The Linux Foundation: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/ > IEEE: https://www.ieee.org/ > Mozilla, Open Source Archetypes: A framework For Purposeful Open Source, 2018: https://blog.mozilla.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/MZOTS_OS_Archetypes_report_ext_scr.pdf > GAIA-X: https://data-infrastructure.eu/ > OpenUK: https://openuk.uk/ > Future of Sustainable Data Alliance: https://futureofsustainabledata.com/ > OCP Future Technologies Symposium: https://www.opencompute.org/summit/ocp-future-technologies-symposium > Kubernetes:https://kubernetes.io/ Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music Recorded on 7 April 2021.

S2 Ep. 14 Bill Baue and Ralph Thurm – Bottom-Up and Top-Down Transformation

5 april 2021 | 70 min

Today we explore an initiative that looks into transformation and the micro-macro dynamics of organizing from a thresholds and allocations perspective. We’re joined by Bill Baue, Senior Director at r3.0, and Ralph Thurm, Co-Founder & Managing Director at r3.0 – a not-for-profit platform which promotes Redesign for Resilience and Regeneration. Founded in 2012, r3.0 connects a global community of “Positive Mavericks” around its “work ecosystem” that focuses on transcending incrementalism to trigger necessary transformations that enact living systems principles. The work of r3.0 explores responses to the ecological and social collapses humanity is experiencing, in order to achieve a thriving, regenerative and distributive economy and society. Bill is a true expert when it comes to sustainability thresholds, thriveability, and online stakeholder engagement. He has co-founded several enterprises, including Sustainability Context Group, Sea Change Radio, and Currnt. Ralph is a leading professional in sustainable innovation and strategy, operational sustainability, sustainability change management, sustainability reporting, transformation and thriveability. He is also the Founder of A|HEAD|ahead and Managing Director at OnCommons, the not-for-profit home of r3.0. We are super excited to share this interview with you as we dig into how r3.0 applies a fractal, multi-scalar and bioregional lens to understanding transitions towards a regenerative and distributive global economy and society. Tune in as we explore organizational entanglement, creating value at a systems level, and how Bill and Ralph look at global governance. Remember that you can always find transcripts, full show notes and key highlights of the episode on our Medium publication: https://platformdesigntoolkit.com/Podcast-S2E14-Bill-Baue-Ralph-Thurm To find out more about Bill’s and Ralph’s work: > Bill Baue’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/bbaue > Ralph Thurm’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/aheadahead1 > Website: https://www.r3-0.org/ > r3.0 Blueprints: https://www.r3-0.org/projects/ > 8th International r3.0 Conference 2021: https://conference2021.r3-0.org/ > The UNRISD-r3.0 project “Thresholds of Transformation”: https://www.r3-0.org/project/unrisd/ Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music Recorded on 17 March 2021.

S2 Ep. 13 Nora Bateson – Trans-contextual Organizing: Shifting Perceptions

22 mars 2021 | 61 min

Today’s guest, Nora Bateson, is a unique thinker that as a company we’ve been following for a while now. From invisible assumptions, to entanglement and trans-contextual organising, this conversation explores what organizing in complexity truly means for organisations and the relationships taking place within and between them. Nora Bateson is an award-winning filmmaker, writer, facilitator and educator, as well as President of the International Bateson Institute based in Sweden. Her work asks the question “how can we improve our perception of the complexity we live within, so we may improve our interaction with the world?”. Nora wrote, directed and produced the award-winning documentary, ‘An Ecology of Mind’, a portrait of her father, Gregory Bateson. Her work brings the fields of biology, cognition, art, anthropology, psychology, and information technology together into a study of the patterns in ecology of living systems. Her book, ‘Small Arcs of Larger Circles’ is a revolutionary personal approach to the study of systems and complexity, and the core text of the Harvard University LILA program 2017-18. Her new book, ‘Warm Data’, will be released in 2020 by Triarchy Press. Tune in to your conversation with Nora as we dive deeper into systemic accountability, “Warm Data” practices, and the power of context. Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our Medium publication: https://platformdesigntoolkit.com/Podcast-S2E13-Nora-Bateson To find out more about Nora’s work: > Website: https://norabateson.wordpress.com/ > Twitter: https://twitter.com/NoraBateson > Medium: https://norabateson.medium.com/ > Wordpress: https://norabateson.wordpress.com/ > The International Bateson Institute: https://batesoninstitute.org/ Other references and mentions: > Nora Bateson, Small Arcs of Larger Circles: Framing Through Other Patterns, 2016: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Small-Arcs-Larger-Circles-Patterns/dp/1909470961 > Organizations as Architectures for Complexity — with Joe Norman: https://stories.platformdesigntoolkit.com/organizations-as-architectures-for-complexity-with-joe-norman-5eebf5d1362e > Joe Norman, “Generating wholes”: http://jwnorman.com/?p=4948 > Boundaryless Whitepaper, New Foundations of Platform-Ecosystem Thinking — Designing Products and Organizations for a changing world, 2020: https://platformdesigntoolkit.com/DOWNLOAD-NF > Transition Network: https://transitionnetwork.org/ > Warm Data Lab: https://warmdatalab.net/ > Warm Data Podcast: https://www.warmdatapodcast.com/ Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music Recorded on 12 March 2021.

S2 Ep. 12 Aaron Dignan – Leadership and Legitimacy through Consent and Coherence

9 mars 2021 | 59 min

We often view leadership as such an individual role, but does it have to be? Today’s guest, Aaron Dignan, shares a radically different approach to leadership as something that needs to be more coherent and inclusive with everyone involved. Through the power of consent and purpose, organizations can drive real systemic change. Aaron Dignan is the founder of The Ready, a global organizational transformation and coaching practice, where he helps both large and small companies adopt new forms of self-organization and dynamic teaming. Over the last ten years, Aaron has studied organizations and teams with a new way of working that prioritizes adaptivity and autonomy over efficiency and control. Aaron is the co-host of the Brave New Work podcast, an active angel investor and helps build partnerships between the startups and end-ups he advises. He’s also a co-founder of Responsive.org, and has sat on advisory boards for GE, American Express, PepsiCo, and Cooper Hewitt. He is the author of Game Frame and Brave New Work. In this conversation, we’re not afraid to go deep as we look into a boundaryless future. Tune in as we explore how The Ready funds new ideas in the business, the role of “micro-socialist” experiments in an organization, and how to balance your personal development and uniqueness alongside the development of an organization. Remember that you can find the show notes and transcripts from all our episodes on our Medium publication: https://platformdesigntoolkit.com/Podcast-S2E12-Aaron-Dignan To find out more about Aaron’s work: > Website: https://theready.com/ > Website: https://www.bravenewwork.com/ > Aaron’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/aarondignan > The Ready’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/theready > Podcast: https://www.bravenewwork.com/podcast Other references and mentions: > Aaron Dignan, Brave New Work: Are You Ready to Reinvent Your Organization?, 2019: https://www.amazon.com/Brave-New-Work-Reinvent-Organization/dp/0525536205 > “Brave New Work and Capitalism‬”, on the Brave New Work Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/brave-new-work-and-capitalism/id1488554600?i=1000506063704 > Dark Matter Labs’ “Letter to Our Future”, on how they think about organizing their work: https://provocations.darkmatterlabs.org/amsterdam-2019-2020-letter-to-our-future-dbd67a035ffe > Wendell Berry, The Unsettling of America: Culture & Agriculture:,https://www.amazon.com/Unsettling-America-Culture-Agriculture/dp/0871568772 > Participatory City: http://www.participatorycity.org/ Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music Recorded on 27 January 2021.

S2 Ep. 11 Simon Wardley – Mapping, Doctrine, and Culture in the Future of Organizing

23 februari 2021 | 67 min

S2 Ep. 10 Rita McGrath – Control and Coherence in the New Strategy Playbook

9 februari 2021 | 52 min

Today we’re joined by a true legend in the space of strategy, innovation and management: Rita Gunther McGrath. Rita is widely recognized as a premier expert on leading innovation and growth during times of uncertainty. She is a best-selling author, speaker, and a longtime professor at Columbia Business School. Rita has received the number one achievement award for strategy from the prestigious Thinkers50 and has been consistently named one of the world’s Top 10 management thinkers in its bi-annual ranking. Join our conversation as we explore the positive and negative impacts of inflection points for organizations and markets. We uncover discovery-driven leadership, irreversible versus reversible decisions, responsibility towards local communities as a key principle for organizing value creation, and much more. This discussion testifies the true depth of the rabbit hole of the future of organizing! Remember that you can find the show notes and transcripts from all our episodes on our Medium publication: https://platformdesigntoolkit.com/Podcast-S2E10-RitaMcGrath To find out more about Rita’s work: > Website: https://www.ritamcgrath.com/ > Twitter: https://twitter.com/rgmcgrath > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ritamcgrath/ > YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/rgmcgrath > Medium: https://rgmcgrath.medium.com/ Other references and mentions: > Boundaryless whitepaper (2020), New Foundations of Platform-Ecosystem Thinking — Designing Products and Organizations for a changing world, https://platformdesigntoolkit.com/DOWNLOAD-NF > Reid Hoffman, Ben Casnocha, Chris Yeh, The Alliance: Managing Talent in the Networked Age, 2014: https://www.amazon.com/Alliance-Managing-Talent-Networked-Age/dp/1625275773 > Healthy San Francisco: https://healthysanfrancisco.org/ > Peter Turchin, “Intra-Elite Competition: A Key Concept for Understanding the Dynamics of Complex Societies”, 2016: http://peterturchin.com/cliodynamica/intra-elite-competition-a-key-concept-for-understanding-the-dynamics-of-complex-societies/ > Rita McGrath, Seeing Around Corners: How to Spot Inflection Points in Business Before They Happen, 2019: https://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Around-Corners-Inflection-Business/dp/0358022339/ Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music Recorded on 12 January 2021.

S2 Ep. 9 Laëtitia Vitaud and Albert Cañigueral – The Present (Future) of Work: Beyond Platforms

26 januari 2021 | 61 min

Today we have a fabulous duo of Future of Work experts with us, Albert Canigueral and Laetitia Vitaud. We chat about some of the key evolutions in this space, and how platforms contribute to crystalize trends in the continued unbundling of jobs. Albert Canigueral is Ouishare Connector for Spain and Latin America. In 2011 he founded the blog Consumo Colaborativo, becoming a reference in the platform economy in the Spanish-speaking world. He recently published the book ‘El trabajo ya no es lo que era’ – ‘Work Is Not What It Used To Be’ – a book about the future of work and workers. In short, he works as an explorer, consultant and disseminator in the field of platform economics. He is currently mainly focused on the future of work, the impact of digital platforms in cities and regulatory innovations. Laetitta Vitaud is a teacher-turned-entrepreneur and, like Albert, a key reference - both writer and speaker - about the future of work and consumption. She has her own newsletter about the future of work with a feminist perspective, Laetitia@work, is editor-in-chief of the HR media of Welcome to the Jungle and leads a media called Nouveau Départ with her partner and husband Nicolas Colin, who we previously had on the podcast. Laetitia is working with clients on how organizations, management, work space, and social protection are impacted by the unbundling of jobs and the empowerment of freelancers. In our conversations, we cover a lot of ground, where we focus on the apparent “innovation dilemma” that results from the gap in how the concept of work is evolving and the systems in place to protect a new age of independent workers with fragmented “careers”. We explore how worker tech and different scales of collective arrangements help platform workers gain agency and rebundle traditional worker benefits. While governments often seem helplessly stuck in the old paradigm, digital transformation is leading to new modes of organising at scale that depart from the industrial efficiency-based model, with workers starting to take matters in their own hands to organise collectively. Remember that you can find the show notes and transcripts from all our episodes on our Medium publication: https://platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast-S2E9-Vitaud-Cañigueral To find out more about their work: > Albert’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/AlbertCanig > Laëtitia’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/Vitolae > Albert’s Website: https://www.albertcanigueral.com/ > Laëtitia’s Website: https://laetitiavitaud.com/ > Laëtitia’s Newsletter: https://laetitiaatwork.substack.com/ > Albert Cañigueral, El trabajo ya no es lo que era: Nuevas formas de trabajar, otras maneras de vivir, 2020 https://www.amazon.co.uk/El-trabajo-que-era-trabajar-ebook/dp/B08DT67CG8/ Other references and mentions: > Albert Cañigueral, The Digital Labour Market Under Debate, 2018: https://cotec.es/media/COTEC_PIA_Ouishare_WorkerTech_EN_ExecutiveSummary.pdf > Independent Workers' Union of Great Britain: https://iwgb.org.uk/ > Mastercard’s Digital Payments & Labs, Mastercard Labs for Financial Inclusion, and White Paper Media Consulting, The Gig Economy in East Africa, 2020: https://newsroom.mastercard.com/mea/files/2020/09/The-Gig-Economy-in-East-Africa-White-Paper.pdf > Happy Dev: https://happy-dev.fr/en/ > Cosme Collectif: https://collectif-cosme.com/projets/ > MyWay Spain: https://mywayspain.es/ > Hoxby: https://hoxby.com/ Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music Recorded on 5 January 2021.

S2 Ep. 8 Adrien Nussenbaum – Becoming Anything you want in the Platform Value Chain

12 januari 2021 | 53 min

In this episode we are speaking Adrien Nussenbaum, co-founder and U.S. CEO of Mirakl, a global leader in online marketplace solutions. Since graduating from HEC in Paris in 2001, Adrien's career has been focused on innovation, entrepreneurship and disruption. His background in corporate finance and management consulting has allowed him to support top Fortune 1000 companies in their strategic growth and transformation initiatives, including creating and leading FNAC's marketplace from 2008 to 2011. A serial digital entrepreneur, Adrien has always been driven by the desire to invent tomorrow's economy: All Instant, a NY-based Instant Messaging platform sold in 2003, and SplitGames, an online video games marketplace, sold to FNAC in 2008. Along with co-founder Philippe Corrot, Adrien has built and led winning teams across the globe, created hundreds of jobs, and generated billions in sales for customers. In our boundaryless conversation, we cover the platform revolution from many angles, from how companies tackle digitalisation to how platforms contribute to breaking boundaries in space and time in an age of full information transparency. We also explore the necessary mindshifts, for example transcending the idea of competition, and realising that as a platform you need to "earn the right" to serve an ecosystem, turning competition into partnership.We also explore more generally what it means for brands to find a place in an API first, modularized economy, where suppliers and customers are aggregated and explain why the future of commerce may be in niches that require brands to meddle with the economy profoundly, leaving an opportunity space for incumbents that can transform as he cannot remotely shape everything directly from San Francisco. Adrien talks about some exciting examples among Mirakl's own clients, including members of the "platform pioneer club", where peer learning, opportunities to "plug in" to the ecosystem, and creating a sense of belonging are key. As a platform player, you can essentially choose to be "anything in the value chain", and that's an exciting future outlook. Remember that you can find the show notes and transcripts from all our episodes on our Medium publication: https://platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast-S2E8-Adrien-Nussenbaum To find out more about Adrien's work: > Website: https://www.mirakl.com/ > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anussenbaum > Twitter: https://twitter.com/adriennus Other references and mentions: > Mirakl Connect: https://www.mirakl.com/mirakl-connect/ > Stop Covid-19 Marketplace: https://stopcovid19.fr/ > Companies with platform businesses cases mentioned: AB InBev, Maison du Monde, 3M, Madewell > Aurora James' 15% pledge: https://www.forbes.com/sites/morgansimon/2020/12/21/aurora-james-is-helping-companies-invest-in-accountability-with-the-15-percent-pledge/?sh=2a56e3d78216 Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music Recorded on 11 December 2020.

S2 Ep. 7 Robyn Scott – Enabling an Ecosystem of Civil Servants in the Age of Platforms

29 december 2020 | 67 min

Today we’re talking to Robyn Scott, co-founder and CEO of Apolitical, a global learning network for public servants. The Apolitical Academy, Apolitical’s non-profit arm, helps young and traditionally excluded people run for political office. Previously, Robyn co-founded OneLeap, an executive education company, and two southern African non-profits teaching coding and entrepreneurial skills to vulnerable youth, women, and prisoners. She has written a critically acclaimed memoir about growing up in Botswana. She has also worked for the Financial Times. She is an ambassador for the Access to Medicine Index, an advisor to the Responsible Mining Index, a World Economic Forum Young Global Leader, and a Gates Cambridge Scholar. She has a BSc in Bioinformatics from Auckland University and a Masters in Bioscience Enterprise from Cambridge University. The team at Apolitical works passionately towards “fixing” the Democracy Flywheel on three levels: making politics a credible and trustworthy path, making the narrative around governments and civil servants one of talent and pride rather than “necessary evil”, and reviving interest among citizens in a democracy based on free-flowing and accurate information, where democracy is not “traded in” in return of quick fixes. In our conversation, we talk about how Apolitical is working to facilitate peer learning among civil servants, creating a go-to marketplace for new ideas and innovations. Beyond that, we also explore emerging aggregation possibilities in the space of government platforms such as the potential to aggregate private sector suppliers to let the best emerge across the space. We also talk about current tensions between the imagined “global village”, a trend of fragmentation and localism, and the fact that we won’t find all solutions in any of these extremes. A very thought-worthy conversation about a sector that arguably has to yet reap all the benefits in a platforms and ecosystems world. Remember that you can find the show notes and transcripts from all our episodes on our Medium publication: https://platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast-S2E7-Robyn-Scott To find out more about Robyn’s work: > Website: https://apolitical.co/ > LinkedIn: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/robynscott > Twitter: https://twitter.com/RobynScott Other references and mentions: > McKinsey Center for Government (MCG), Government productivity: Unlocking the $3.5 trillion opportunity: https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/public-and-social-sector/our-insights/the-opportunity-in-government-productivity# > Alison Gopnik, The Gardener and the Carpenter: What the New Science of Child Development Tells Us about the Relationship Between Parents and Children, 2016: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gardener-Carpenter-Development-Relationship-Children/dp/0374229708 > The Apolitical Academy https://www.apolitical.academy/ > Twitter: https://twitter.com/apoliticalco Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music Recorded on 15 December 2020.

S2 Ep. 6 Juho Makkonen – Democratizing the Platform Economy through Marketplace as a Service

15 december 2020 | 67 min

S2 Ep. 5 Dave Snowden – Building Scalable Organizations that can Deal with Uncertainty

1 december 2020 | 51 min

S2 Ep. 4 B. Joseph Pine II – Experience Platforms: Staging Experiences through an Ecosystem

17 november 2020 | 53 min

S2 Ep. 3 Peter C. Evans – Platform Talent: Jobs & Skills for the Age of Networks

3 november 2020 | 50 min

S2 Ep. 2 Alicia Hennig - Embeddedness: Exploring the Roots of the Eastern idea of Organizing

19 oktober 2020 | 52 min

In this episode we have the pleasure of introducing a very interesting academic voice, Alicia Hennig, Associate Professor of Business Ethics. Her research focuses on Chinese philosophy and its application in organisations in the context of values, ethics and innovation. Working with Chinese as well as foreign companies in China, she continues to promote a better understanding of Chinese culture and thinking. This conversation with Alicia was very crucial to explore the embracing of “embeddedness” (or entanglement). It’s about the critical need for organizations to see themselves as connected to the world they exist within. It turns out that Chinese philosophies, especially Daoism, are very much based on this concept of embeddedness. Daoism can provide Chinese management thinking with mindsets that seem to be rare in most of Western cultural traditions, and that may be more apt for a time of systemic shift. We also talk about the paradox between globalisation, technological progress and contextual, indigenous approaches to management - in relation with embeddedness. Will China’s next generation of managers resist the universalising power of technology, considering how the country has leap-frogged in recent decades? By not striving for coherence like most Western philosophies, perhaps Chinese thinking really is more resilient to such forces and can more easily provide a platform for evolution in management, as stories like that of Haier seem to demonstrate. Alicia also talks passionately about the role of education everywhere in the world to showcase the richness of philosophies, wishing that more universities and business schools would diversify their curriculum to include Chinese, but also Indian, African and other philosophical traditions. It’s indeed a shared passion that we want to continue to explore with her in the coming months. Remember that you can find the show notes and transcripts from all our episodes on our Medium publication: https://medium.com/@Boundaryless_/62cbb75fce0f?source=friends_link&sk=ed34750fd83cea1009ad319b41c8fd2d To find out more about Alicia’s work: > Website: www.newvirtues.com > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alicia-hennig/ Other references and mentions: > Alicia Henning, Daoism in Management, 2017: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40926-015-0024-4 > Laozi, Tao Te Ching: https://www.amazon.com/Lao-Tzu-Ching-about-Power/dp/1611807247 (here in Ursula K. Le Guin’s edition) > Zhuangzi, Zhuangzi: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Zhuangzi-Essential-Translations-Traditional-Commentaries/dp/0872209113/ > Explore novels by Yu Hua, Mo Yan, Yan Lianke, Liao Yiwu and Zhang Lijia. > Jia Zhangke’s “Ash is Purest White”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLab19dyAVA > Wang Xiaoshuai’s “So Long, My Son”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4I88xcwME8 > Zhang Yimou’s “Hero”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh-gwDRjKXA > Michael Schuman, Superpower Interrupted, 2020: https://www.amazon.com/Superpower-Interrupted-Chinese-History-World/dp/1541788346 Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at: www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music Recorded on 18 September 2020.

S2 Ep. 1 Sangeet Paul Choudary - Re-bundling the Firm around Problems to Be Solved

5 oktober 2020 | 64 min

A Beacon for Future Explorations - Wrapping up Season 1 with Bill Fischer and Lisa Gansky

20 juli 2020 | 84 min

In this episode, we have our two dear guests Lisa Gansky — the eternal entrepreneur, great thinker and our long term advisor — and Bill Fischer, professor at IMD in Lausanne with whom we’ve developed the very first Rendanheyi Masterclass based on Haier’s revolutionary organisational model and a partner in our long term research on the Entrepreneurial Ecosystem Enabling Organization. In our conversation, we wanted to pick their brains on the key theses emerging from the research for our upcoming 2020 Whitepaper, such as acknowledging marketplace pervasiveness, seeing a systemic shift happening towards health and redrawing the human development thesis to reverse the trend that machine development has long outpaced human development. Following an initial framing, Bill and Lisa take turns in providing amazing reflections on where the world seems to be headed, from an organisational, systems and cultural perspective and related to business ecosystems and innovation. Remember that you can find the show notes and transcripts from all our episodes on our Medium publication. Here are some important links from the conversation: See the previous Podcast episodes with Lisa and Bill > Checkpoint episode with Lisa Gansky: Ecosystems - between the “no more” and the “not yet”, https://stories.platformdesigntoolkit.com/checkpoint-episode-with-lisa-gansky-ecosystems-between-the-no-more-and-the-not-yet-c183d21257c4 > Leadership as Architecting: Transforming Organisations into Thriving Ecosystems — with Bill Fischer. https://stories.platformdesigntoolkit.com/leadership-as-architecting-transforming-organisations-into-thriving-ecosystems-7-4af8dd0cf06c Other references and mentions: > Warren Bennis, 1998. The Temporary Society: What is Happening to Business and Family Life in America Under the Impact of Accelerating Change. https://www.amazon.com/Temporary-Society-Happening-Accelerating-Management/dp/0787943312 > Structural Shifts podcast by Aperture Hub, with Rita Gunther McGrath, Seeing Around Corners (#19): https://medium.com/aperture-hub/seeing-around-corners-19-ec64b2260337 > Tessy Britton, “Universal Basic Everything” - .creating essential infrastructure for post Covid 19 neighbourhoods. https://medium.com/@TessyBritton/universal-basic-everything-f149afc4cef1 > Simone Cicero, “An Entrepreneurial, Ecosystem Enabling Organization - What’s emerging from understanding Haier Group”. https://stories.platformdesigntoolkit.com/an-entrepreneurial-ecosystem-enabling-organization-c35eaf5acd9c Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music Recorded on July 1st 2020

Ep. 18 John Bunch - Building Complex Organizations through simple constraints: Zappos

13 juli 2020 | 56 min

In this episode, we have a conversation with John Bunch, Lead Organizational Designer and Adviser to the CEO Tony Hsieh at Zappos. John joined Zappos.com in 2009 as a Software Developer and moved on to lead the Public API team. John was the Implementation Lead during Zappos’ shift to Holacracy and self-organization. Coming out of the rollout of Holacracy, John transitioned to leading internal infrastructure and systems design. In the conversation, we talk about how Zappos - through the application of Holacracy and marked-based dynamics - is becoming a thriving entrepreneurial organization. We use the city as a metaphor for the high diversity, high productivity organisation that Zappos strives to be, based on shared enabling services and micro-enterprising. We also explore the concept of the “triangle of accountability” that guides the organizational development and the specific hiring process that helps make sure that people who join the company are aligned with the values and ways of working applied in Zappos. Remember that you can find the show notes and transcripts from all our episodes on our Medium publication. https://medium.com/@meedabyte/a2aaa916663e?source=friends_link&sk=3c1f7e1c2614731316fb0700295f982a Here are some important links from the conversation: Find out more about John’s work > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-bunch/ > Zappos: https://www.zappos.com/ > Zappos Expertise: https://expertise.zappos.com/ Other references and mentions: > Tony Hsieh, Delivering Happiness: A Path to Profits, Passion, and Purpose. https://www.amazon.com/Delivering-Happiness-Profits-Passion-Purpose/dp/0446576220 > Zappos Adaptive: https://www.zappos.com/e/adaptive > Nassim Taleb, Antifragile: Things That Gain from Disorder, https://www.amazon.com/Delivering-Happiness-Profits-Passion-Purpose/dp/0446576220 Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music Recorded on June 11th 2020

Ep. 17 Jeremiah Owyang - The Future of Platforms in the midst of Silicon Valley's moral reckoning

6 juli 2020 | 67 min

Today we’re speaking to Jeremiah Owyang, founding partner of the San Francisco based research firm Kaleido Insights, where he focuses on how disruptive technologies—such as social media, collaborative economy, autonomous world, blockchain and more— impact the relevance of corporations. Jeremiah is well recognized by both the tech industry and the media for his grounded approach to deriving insights through rigorous research.and is frequently quoted in top-tier publications, has given a TED talk and was featured in the “Who’s Who” in the Silicon Valley Business Journal. His Twitter feed was named one of the top feeds by Time. He is also the Founder of Crowd Companies, an innovation club for Fortune 500 companies. In our conversation with Jeremiah, we explore some of the pre-existing conditions in the world - always through a tech lens - that have been amplified by the pandemic and other recent disruptive events, leading to some sort of awakening in Silicon Valley about the moral duties of tech companies and more in general what companies are actually supposed to produce for the world. Remember that you can find the show notes and transcripts from all our episodes on our Medium publication. https://medium.com/@meedabyte/4142f4870d14?source=friends_link&sk=c285582c50ac503b4ae7005a14d8e4d9 Here are some important links from the conversation Find out more about Jeremiah’s work: > Jeremiah’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/jowyang > Kaleido Insights, “Applying Covid-19 Urgencies to Kaleido Insights’ Five Research Themes”: https://www.kaleidoinsights.com/applying-covid-19-urgencies-to-kaleido-insights-five-research-themes/ Other references and mentions: > The Verge, “Amazon bans police from using its facial recognition technology for the next year”: https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/10/21287101/amazon-rekognition-facial-recognition-police-ban-one-year-ai-racial-bias > Ben Evans, presentation at the WEF 2020 and an update June 2020: https://www.ben-evans.com/presentations > Participatory City, http://www.participatorycity.org/the-illustrated-guide > Wendell Berry, The Unsettling of America: Culture & Agriculture: https://www.amazon.com/Unsettling-America-Culture-Agriculture/dp/0871568772 > Reporting 3.0: https://www.r3-0.org/ > Wisdo: https://wisdo.com/index.html > Clubhouse: https://www.joinclubhouse.com/, https://www.wired.com/story/what-is-clubhouse-why-does-silicon-valley-care/ Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music Recorded on June 19th 2020

Ep.16 Marshall Van Alstyne and Geoffrey Parker - Human Value as the North Star: Regulating pervasive platforms

29 juni 2020 | 67 min

In this episode we have two leading platform thinkers on the show: Marshall Van Alstyne, Questrom Chair Professor at Boston University and Geoffrey Parker, professor of engineering at the Thayer School of Dartmouth College. They are both visiting scholars at the MIT Initiative for the Digital Economy and co-chair the annual MIT Platform Summit (see references below) Marshall Van Alstyne and Geoffrey Parker - together with Sangeet Choudary - are the authors of Platform Revolution: How Networked Markets Are Transforming the Economy - and How to Make Them Work for You, from 2016. As originators of the concept of the inverted firm, they were further joint winners of the Thinkers50 2019 Digital Thinking Award. In this conversation, we talk about what democratising access to data means for the ability of players in a platform-ecosystem context to innovate and how regulation should be conceived participatory and ex ante. With creating human value as the North star, Marshall and Geoffrey ponder that we might want to see the creation of a Magna Carta of citizens rights for how we should be able to operate and influence on powerful platforms. Remember that you can find the show notes and transcripts from all our episodes on our own Medium publication. Here are some important links from the conversation: Find out more about Marshall and Geoffrey’s work > Geoffrey G. Parker, Marshall W. Van Alstyne, Sangeet Paul Choudary, Platform Revolution: How Networked Markets Are Transforming the Economy and How to Make Them Work for You, 2016. https://www.amazon.com/Platform-Revolution-Networked-Markets-Transforming/dp/0393249131 > MIT Platform Strategy Summit, 2020 edition taking place virtually on 8 July: http://ide.mit.edu/events/2020-mit-platform-strategy-summit > Platform Revolution - Offers an operator's manual for building platforms (easy read) https://www.amazon.com/Platform-Revolution-Networked-Markets-Transforming/dp/0393354350/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1591806248&sr=1-1 > Digital Platforms & Antitrust - Categorizes the harms from platforms, critiques existing solutions, and offers one path forward (easy read). https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3608397 > Pipelines, Platforms & New The Rules of Strategy - Tells how strategy differs from products to platforms (Harvard Business Review "Must Read" - easy read). https://hbr.org/2016/04/pipelines-platforms-and-the-new-rules-of-strategy > Platform Ecosystems: How Developers Invert the Firm - Provides a proof that platforms become "inverted firms," moving production from inside to outside, once network effects become large enough (MISQ Best Paper - hard read). https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2861574 > The Social Efficiency of Fairness - Provides proof that treating people fairly increases rates of innovation (mimeo - hard read) https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1514137 Other mentions and references > Simon Wardley on the Innovate-Leverage-Componentize (ILC) cycle. Part I: https://blog.gardeviance.org/2014/03/understanding-ecosystems-part-i-of-ii.html; Part II: https://blog.gardeviance.org/2015/08/on-platforms-and-ecosystems.html > Simone Cicero, “Long Tails, Aggregators & Infrastructures”: https://stories.platformdesigntoolkit.com/long-tails-aggregators-infrastructures-bdf84e32531d > Avivah Wittenberg-Cox, “5 Economists Redefining… Everything. Oh Yes, And They’re Women”. Mariana Mazzucato on the role of government investment in early innovations: https://www-forbes-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.forbes.com/sites/avivahwittenbergcox/2020/05/31/5-economists-redefining-everything--oh-yes-and-theyre-women/amp/ Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music Recorded on June 10th 2020

Ep.15 Nicolas Colin - The Entrepreneurial Age: Networks and a fragmenting world

22 juni 2020 | 68 min

In this episode, we’re speaking to Nicolas Colin, co-founder & director of The Family, a pan-European investment firm founded in 2013 and headquartered in London. Nicolas publishes an extremely valuable newsletter European Straits about entrepreneurship, finance, strategy and policy, with a European perspective. He’s also the author of three books, one of which is Hedge: A Greater Safety Net for the Entrepreneurial Age and member of the board of directors at Radio France, and a former commissioner at CNIL (the French personal data protection authority). Nicolas also contributes to several other outlets, such as co-host at Nouveau Départ with his wife Laetitia Vitaud (in French), and as a columnist at Sifted. In this conversation, we try to unpack why Nicolas thinks the current crisis is going to accelerate the transition to what he has recently called a more “mature entrepreneurial economy” and what he means with the Entrepreneurial Age is, a concept he uses to describe the networked computing-powered world where individuals - or users - are more important than having fixed assets on a balance sheet. We also talk about the balance between building organizations based on attracting outsiders and the need to be resilient to sudden drops in users, which some tech companies seem to get wrong. Remember that you can find the show notes and transcripts from all our episodes on our Medium publication. To find out more about Nicolas Colin’s work: > Twitter: https://twitter.com/Nicolas_Colin > Newsletter: https://europeanstraits.substack.com/ > Nicolas Colin (2018). Hedge: A Greater Safety Net for the Entrepreneurial Age: https://www.amazon.com/Hedge-Greater-Safety-Net-Entrepreneurial/dp/1718917082 Other references and mentions: > Structural Shifts podcast by Aperture, “Previewing the post-pandemic World”, with Nicolas Colin, Laetitia Vitaud and Ian Charles Stewart: https://medium.com/aperture-hub/previewing-the-post-pandemic-world-17-7be38279c2c7 > Babak Nivi coined the term “Entrepreneurial Age” (2013): https://venturehacks.com/the-entrepreneurial-age > Carlota Perez’ work on technological revolutions: http://www.carlotaperez.org/ > Balaji Srinivasan On The Argument For Decentralization - Part 1, Pomp Podcast #295: https://youtu.be/SU6H-5kA0FA > Fernand Braudel, on Civilisation and Capitalism, 15th-18th Century, in 3 volumes: https://www.amazon.com/Civilization-Capitalism-15th-18th-Century-Vol/dp/0520081145: > Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast > Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music Recorded on May 29th 2020

Ep. 14 Joe Norman - Organizations as Architectures for Complexity

15 juni 2020 | 66 min

Ep.13 Martin Revees - Remaking the Case for Strategy in an Interdependent World

8 juni 2020 | 64 min

In this episode, Simone Cicero is again joined by a special co-host and former guest on the podcast — Bill Fischer — Professor of Innovation Management at IMD Business School in Lausanne. They talk to Martin Reeves, Managing Director in the San Francisco office of BCG and Chairman of the BCG Henderson Institute, BCG’s think tank on business strategy and co-author of the book “Your Strategy Needs a Strategy”. Martin is also currently leading research on the post-COVID era, winning the ’20s, competing on imagination, corporate vitality, purpose of purpose, strategy and artificial intelligence, competing on the rate of learning, diversity and performance, innovation strategy, organizational vitality and the humanity of corporations. The conversation takes a deep dive into what it means for a business to become “ecosystemic” and compete in the 2020s, and about the bankruptcy of the current ways of doing “strategy” in a world in deep and continuous transformation. Martin also speaks widely about the renewed importance of imagination in organizations and about the need to compete on the rate of learning, combining human ingenuity with the power of machines and much more. Read our story on Medium to access our key insights and the interview transcript for the episode. Here are some important links from the conversation: To find out more about Martin’s work > https://twitter.com/MartinKReeves > Your Strategy Needs a Strategy by Martin Reeves, Knut Haanæs, and Janmejaya Sinha: https://www.bcg.com/publications/collections/your-strategy-needs-strategy/intro.aspx References and mentions > Martin Reeves, Fortune 50, October 2019. “How the Fortune Future 50 identifies companies with long-term growth potential”: https://fortune.com/2019/10/21/future-50-best-stocks-for-long-term-growth-2019/ > Martin Reeves, Ming Zeng and Amin Venjara, HBR, June 2015. “The Self-tuning enterprise”: https://hbr.org/2015/06/the-self-tuning-enterprise > Adam M. Brandenburger, Barry J. Nalebuff, Co-Opetition: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0385479506/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_U_x_cHC3Eb88TT1DN Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio find his portfolio here: www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music Recorded on May 18th 2020

Ep 12. Alex Osterwalder - Unleashing thoughtful Innovation at Scale

1 juni 2020 | 68 min

In this episode, Simone Cicero is joined by a special co-host and former guest on the podcast - Bill Fischer - Professor of Innovation Management at IMD Business School in Lausanne. Together they pick the brain of nobody less than Alex Osterwalder, whose work continues to influence the way established companies do business innovation and how new ventures get started. The inventor of the Business Model Canvas, Value Proposition Canvas, and Business Portfolio Map together with Yves Pigneur, Alex just released a new book called The Invincible Company, whose ideas are mentioned throughout the conversation. Alex talks about why, in the furiously changing world of today, innovation portfolio management is a must, as well as transforming innovation into a pervasive process inside the organization: we also debate a lot on the several ways to do it. We also talk about the responsibility of companies to become great workplaces - being able to keep and reallocate talent across business units - and serve society beyond shareholder interests. Enjoy this jam full episode! Read our story on Medium to access our key insights and the interview transcript. Here are some important links from the conversation: > About Alex Osterwalder and his work: > Alexander Osterwalder (Author), Yves Pigneur, Alan Smith, Frederic Etiemble, The Invincible Company: https://www.amazon.com/Invincible-Company-Alexander-Osterwalder/dp/1119523966 > Strategyzer: https://www.strategyzer.com/ Other mentions and references: > Ritha McGrath, “Transient Advantage”, HBR, 06/2013: https://hbr.org/2013/06/transient-advantage > Scott Anthony, “Breaking down the barriers to innovation”, HBR, 11/2019: https://hbr.org/2019/11/breaking-down-the-barriers-to-innovation > Ritha McGrath, Seeing around Corners, interview with Aperture: https://medium.com/aperture-hub/seeing-around-corners-19-ec64b2260337 > All Things Marketplaces with Dan Hockenmaier, Casey Winters, and Lenny Rachitsky, > Village Global's Venture Stories: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/all-things-marketplaces-dan-hockenmaier-casey-winters/id1316769266?i=1000467536947 Companies mentioned: Amazon, Ping An, W.L. Gore, Logitech, Kodak, Haier Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at: www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio find his portfolio here: www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music Recorded on May 11th 2020

Ep. 11 Joost Minnar - Tackling the Fundamental Problems of Organising at Scale

25 maj 2020 | 57 min

In this episode, we talk to Joost Minnaar, co-founder of the blog Corporate-Rebels.com in 2015. Joost travels the world researching progressive organisations, blogs about the discoveries he makes and advises on workplace issues. Joost is the co-author of the book 'Corporate Rebels, Make Work More Fun' (2020), winner of the Thinkers50 Radar Award (2019) and a Doctoral Candidate at the Amsterdam Business Research Institute (VU University, Amsterdam). We also have the pleasure to collaborate with Joost and his colleagues in our work on the Haier Group model (check-up our upcoming webinar: https://platformdesigntoolkit.com/adopting-haier-model-webinar/). In our conversation with Joost, we get quite practical about the three “fundamental problems” of organising at scale, as he frames it, and how organisations tackle them. We loved how this episode helped us nail down some key thoughts into discernable patterns, drawing on Joost's rich library of experiences from researching so many great organisations. Read our Medium publication to access our key insights and the interview transcript. Here are some important links from the conversation: Work by Joost and Corporate Rebels: > Corporate Rebels Blog: https://corporate-rebels.com/ > Joost Minnaar on Twitter: https://twitter.com/joost_minnaar >Joost Minnaar, Corporate Rebels, “Solving Organizational Complexity With Simplicity”: https://corporate-rebels.com/how-fast-can-you-scale/ > Joost Minnaar, Corporate Rebels. “How To Organize A Large Company Without Middle Management”: https://corporate-rebels.com/how-to-organize-a-large-organization-without-middle-management/ > Pim de Morree, Corporate Rebels, “A Radical And Proven Approach To Self-Management” (Ner Group), https://corporate-rebels.com/ner-group Other mentions and references > Geoffrey West, Scale: The Universal Laws of Growth, Innovation, Sustainability, and the Pace of Life in Organisms, Cities, Economies, and Companies: https://www.amazon.com/Scale-Universal-Innovation-Sustainability-Organisms/dp/1594205582 > Geoffrey West profile https://www.santafe.edu/people/profile/geoffrey-west > Principle of least action, http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Principle_of_least_action > Deborah Frieze, From Scaling Up to Scaling Across: https://medium.com/in-praise-of-scaling-down/from-scaling-up-to-scaling-across-ed5092acd22f Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio find his portfolio here: https://audiojungle.net/user/liosound/portfolio?utf8=%E2%9C%93&order_by=sales Recorded on May 4th 2020

Ep. 10 Indy Johar - Redrawing the Human Development thesis for the 21st Century

18 maj 2020 | 75 min

Ep. 09 Daniel Wahl - Organizing in Nested Systems: Re-regionalisation, Landscape and Global Solidarity

11 maj 2020 | 63 min

In our conversation with Daniel, we talk about the interplays between technology and landscape, between the virtual and the analogue world, and we explore what kind of new experiments and institutions that may emerge — and what new constituencies will likely gain a key role in organising at scale — for the re-regionalisation of the economy, which is such an important step of society’s regeneration. How to find and support Daniel’s work: > Medium Blog: https://medium.com/@designforsustainability > Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/DanielChristianWahl?fan_landing=true > Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrDCWahl > LinkedIn, https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-christian-wahl-phd-51a54616/ > Regeneration rising Youtube conversations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zBxHnVsuus > Facebook groups: https://www.facebook.com/regenerativecultures/, https://www.facebook.com/Ecological-Consciousness-567337650286414/, https://www.facebook.com/groups/920150431523616/about/ Mentions and references:> Daniel Wahl, Midwives of the Regeneration: On the fertile edges of the more beautiful world, https://medium.com/age-of-awareness/midwives-of-the-regeneration-on-the-fertile-edges-of-the-more-beautiful-world-4a28a9c6496f > Daniel Wahl, Salutogenic Cities & Bioregional Regeneration (Part I of II), https://medium.com/age-of-awareness/salutogenic-cities-bioregional-regeneration-part-i-of-ii-2772a13bad9a > Jung’s cognitive functions, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungian_cognitive_functions > Joanna Macy, https://www.joannamacy.net/main > Janine Benyus: “life creates conditions conducive to life”, https://www.ted.com/talks/janine_benyus_biomimicry_s_surprising_lessons_from_nature_s_engineers/transcript?language=en > Ecolise: https://www.ecolise.eu/ > Planetary Health Alliance, https://www.planetaryhealthalliance.org/mission > Wendell Berry, The Unsettling of America: Culture and Agriculture, https://www.amazon.com/Unsettling-America-Culture-Agriculture/dp/0871568772 > Regenesis Group: https://regenesisgroup.com/ > Bayo Akomolafe: “times are urgent so let’s slow down” http://bayoakomolafe.net/project/the-times-are-urgent-lets-slow-down/ > Rebel Wison, Sense-Making the Coronavirus outbreak, with Jamie Wheal, Diane Musho Hamilton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKDWmKL7xCk > Yuk Hui, Cosmotechnics as Cosmopolistics, https://www.e-flux.com/journal/86/161887/cosmotechnics-as-cosmopolitics/ > Thích Nhất Hạnh (interbeing): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Nh%E1%BA%A5t_H%E1%BA%A1nh Music by liosound.Recorded on April 06th

Checkpoint episode with Lisa Gansky - Ecosystems: between the "no more" and the "not yet"

7 maj 2020 | 62 min

Ep. 08 Stowe Boyd - Ecosystemic Organizations and the Future of Work

4 maj 2020 | 56 min

Ep. 07 Bill Fischer - Leadership as Architecting: Transforming Organisations into Thriving Ecosystems

27 april 2020 | 63 min

In this Boundaryless Conversation, we talk with Bill Fischer, Professor of Innovation Management at IMD Business School in Lausanne. Bill co-founded and co-directs the IMD program on Driving Strategic Innovation, in cooperation with the Sloan School of Management at MIT and also authors a regular column for Forbes.com entitled “The Ideas Business”.

Together with Bill, we’re exploring how incumbent organizations are likely to respond to pressures like plummeting transaction costs and the need to extend their organizational models across boundaries, digging into the cultural, organizational and leadership resistance that this transformation may encounter.

We talk quite a lot about Haier Group, a world-leading pioneer embracing a culture of entrepreneurship and ecosystem enablement. If you’re interested in learning more about this case, here are two opportunities for you:

> A Webinar on the Haier Story hosted on 29th of April, offering an introductory discussion on Haier's Group’s organizational approach Rendanheyi. Sign up here or follow the live streaming on the Boundaryless YouTube channel.

> An upcoming Haier Certified 3 Half Day online course that Bill Fischer and Simone Cicero will facilitate online on June 16-17-18

Here are some important links from the conversation:

More about the Haier model:

> William A. Fischer, Umberto Lago and Fang Liu: Reinventing Giants: https://www.imd.org/research-knowledge/books/reinventing-giants/

> William A. Fische: How Haier gives insights into China’s radical transformation - From autarky to everywhere, https://www.imd.org/research-knowledge/articles/how-haier-gives-insights-into-chinas-radical-transformation/

> Simone’s take on the PDT blog: “An Entrepreneurial, Ecosystem Enabling Organization - What’s emerging from understanding Haier Group”, https://stories.platformdesigntoolkit.com/an-entrepreneurial-ecosystem-enabling-organization-c35eaf5acd9c

> Corporate Rebels: “RenDanHeYi: The Organizational Model Defining The Future Of Work?” https://corporate-rebels.com/rendanheyi-forum/

Stuff mentioned in the conversation:

> Charlie Fine, “Nail it, Scale it, Sail it”, https://www.jungle-mountain-ocean.com/about

> Oticon hearing aid company in Denmark, https://www.oticon.com/

> Jos de Blok, founder of the nurse-led organisation Buurztorg: https://www.buurtzorg.com/about-us/history/

> Stora Enso, the Finish company with roots in the 14th century: https://www.storaenso.com/

> ABB, https://new.abb.com/

> John Hagel’s writings on Edge Perspectives, on ideas of scalable learning and the difference between the scalable economy of scalable efficiency, https://edgeperspectives.typepad.com/edge_perspectives/

> Andy Boynton, Bill Fischer, William Bole, The Idea Hunter: How to Find the Best Ideas and Make them Happen, https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10553258-the-idea-hunter

Music by liosound.Recorded on March 30th 2020

Ep. 06 Michel Bauwens - Commons-based peer production at the edge of a chaotic transition

20 april 2020 | 63 min

Ep. 05 Ana Andjelic - Brands in transition: the sociology of ecosystems

13 april 2020 | 39 min

In this episode, we talk to Ana Andjelic, a Strategy Executive and Doctor of Sociology working on business strategy, marketing, and organizational transformation. Ana has worked with top global advertising agencies and has also worked on the brand-side as a chief marketing executive. In the context of the collaborative economy boom of early 2010, Ana wrote thoughtful reflections on the Guardian and other news outlets. She recently came back to our attention for her brand new newsletter “The Sociology of Business” where she explores the transformation of retail, modern brand building, and how new social and cultural patterns impact the business.

We talk about the changing relationship between brands and consumers, what role culture plays in this transformation, and how technology can help - but never fully replace - human interaction. Our conversation also included in-depth reflections about how brands are reacting to the current context of COVID-19 and about the increasing need for empathy and social responsibility in these turbulent times.

Read more on our Medium story here https://stories.platformdesigntoolkit.com/

Here are some important links from the conversation:

> Ana’s insightful newsletter “The Sociology of Business”, https://andjelicaaa.substack.com/
> Ana’s Twitter: @andjelicaaa

Brands mentioned that are engaging closely with customer communities:
> Glossier, an example of a platform for the community activity that is happening around the beauty products: https://www.glossier.com/, https://intothegloss.com/
> Rapha for cycling communities: https://www.rapha.cc/
> Track smith running brand: https://www.tracksmith.com/
> Outdoor voices:https://www.outdoorvoices.com/

Other topics mentioned:
> Benedict Anderson, Imagined Communities: Reflections on the Origin and Spread of Nationalism, https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/399136.Imagined_Communities
> Some concepts from Japanese culture inspiring the west: Omotenashi, Kintsugi, Wabi-Sabi
> Demna Gvasalia, Georgian fashion designer, currently the creative director of Balenciaga https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demna_Gvasalia

Music by liosound.Recorded on March 27th 2020

Ep. 04 John Robb - Beyond markets: sense-making and organising, in a world of open networks

5 april 2020 | 60 min

In this episode, we have a Boundaryless Conversation with John Robb, the owner and principal analyst for the monthly Global Guerrillas Report, that covers the intersection of War, Politics, and Technology. Its goal is to provide people with the frameworks needed to make sense of our relentlessly chaotic world. In other words, John helps people think clearly at a time when that kind of help is in short supply.

In our conversation with John, we explore how the rapid power shifts we're witnessing towards open source, and self-organizing networks are going to change the way we organize society and the economy.

We touched upon the fact that the emergent future of organizing may not disrupt or obsolete the existing markets, but rather coexist, and that there's no way we can get away with ignoring the question concerning technology as society literally "becomes a technological artefact" as John said.

Ep. 03 Tomas Diez - From Fab Cities to Fab Citizens: remaking organising

5 april 2020 | 47 min

Ep. 02 James Currier - Unveiling the math behind society and what to do about it

30 mars 2020 | 62 min

In this episode, we have a boundaryless conversation with James Currier one of Silicon Valley’s foremost experts in growth and network effects. James is a four-time CEO of VC backed companies and a pioneer of user-generated models, viral marketing, A/B testing, crowdsourcing, and myriad of other growth techniques that have since been adopted by nearly all technology companies. In 2015, James co-founded NFX, a $150M early-stage venture capital firm focused on network effect businesses along with Pete Flint and Gigi Levy Weiss. In this conversation, we explore the real and so far unseen boundaries of the transition towards an economy more heavily based on marketplaces and market-networks, and how this transformation both shapes and is shaped by the major shifts and challenges that are currently emerging in the global society, including environmental, social, political, regulatory. We talk about the need for strong and charismatic leaders to steward these shifts, as well as the need to re-train people to gain the right competencies to deal with an increasingly digital, networked economy and transforming industries.

Read more on our Medium story https://stories.platformdesigntoolkit.com/

Here are some important links from the conversation:

> Ben Evans’ presentation “Standing on the Shoulders of Giants” during the World Economic Forum in January 2020, https://www.ben-evans.com/presentations

> Simone Cicero: “Why the Next Paradigm Shift may not be Technological”, https://stories.platformdesigntoolkit.com/paradigm-shift-regulation-af48b87a0eeb

> Ben Thompson, The End of the Beginning, https://stratechery.com/2020/the-end-of-the-beginning/

> Niall Ferguson (2017), The Square and the Tower: Networks and Power, from the Freemasons to Facebook, https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35629744-the-square-and-the-tower

> Libra cryptocurrency, https://libra.org/en-US/

> Lambda school, https://lambdaschool.com/

> Incredible health, https://www.incrediblehealth.com/

> Hire.com, https://www.peoplefluent.com/

Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/podcast

Music by liosound.Recorded on March 18th 2020

Ep. 01 Arthur Brock - Rewiring the technology to rewire the way we organise

30 mars 2020 | 59 min

Opening episode: Exploring the future of organising at scale with Boundaryless conversations

30 mars 2020 | 31 min

Boundaryless Conversations Podcast

Boundaryless Conversations Podcast is an ongoing exploration of the future of Platforms & Ecosystems.

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#110 - Decisions, Not Data: Why Research needs Organizational Readiness with Erika Hall

#109 - Beyond Existing Business Model Frames with Jen van der Meer

#108 - Doing Strategy in a World of Ruthless Change with Roger Martin

#107 - Understanding Design Fiction with Fabien Girardin and Nicolas Nova

#106 Keeping Humans in the Loop: The Key to Successful AI Integration with Philippe De Ridder

#105 – Understanding why the Company is the Product with John Cutler

Trailer: The Boundaryless Conversations Podcast Season 6 is coming up!

#104 - Season 5 Wrap-Up: Thinking and Doing Inside and Beyond the Platform

#103 - Funding Ventures through the GenAI Age with James Currier

#102 - Decoding the Viable System Model with Mark Lambertz

#101 - Navigating Platform Transitions with Yolanda Martin

#100 - Learning Centered Organizations for the 21st Century with Indy Johar

#99 - The State of Platforms in 2024 with Kelly Sarabyn and Scott Brinker

#98 - Sandwich Economics: a New Era of Competition with Sangeet Paul Choudary

#97 - R.I.P. Agile, Long Live Agile 2 with Cliff Berg

#96 - Building Calm Technology and Organizations with Amber Case

#95 - Avoiding the Agile Bureaucracy with Rosa and Hjorteland

#94 - Susanne Kaiser on Building the Right Things (& Building Things Right)

#93 - Beyond the Code: Jeremiah Owyang on the New Era of AI

#92 - Why Enterprise Architecture is not (just) about Technology: with Charles Betz

#91 Rethinking Development: UNDP’s Journey from Projects to Portfolios

#90 - Enjoying Building Simple Products with Jason Fried

#89 - Why Building On Chain: The Case for Web3 with Jesse Walden

#88 - Pioneering Digital Public Infrastructure in India with Arvind Gupta

#87 BeyondFrames: Living the Networked Society with John Robb

#86 Scaling Continuous Discovery in Product Portfolios with Teresa Torres

#85 Product-Centric Organizations (Portfolios, Taxonomies) with Craig Strong

#84 Gardening Platforms and the Future of Open Ecosystems with Alex Komoroske

The Boundaryless Conversation Podcast: Season 5 is coming

Season Wrap Up: Emerging Questions on the Future of Platform Organizations

S04 Ep. 20 Bill Fischer and Lisa Gansky - A Situational Update on our Ecosystemic Future

S04 Ep. 19 Justice Conder - Smart Contracts: eating the 1st Mile of Agile Organizations

S04 Ep. 18 Design in the 2020s: More Agency, Less Control with Christian Bason

S04 Ep. 17 Nafeez Ahmed - Organizing for a Decade of Global Phase-Shift

S04 Ep. 16. Spela Prijon and Sascha Kellert - 4 dimensions of Ownership Economy: Ownco

S04 EP. 15 Mark van Rijmenam - Navigating Hype Cycles in Tech: Communities, Prototyping, and Convergence

S04 Ep. 14. Barry O’Reilly Software architecture for a rapidly changing world

S04 Ep. 13. Joni Baboci - Cities in Flux: from Bureaucratic control to Participatory Ecosystems

S04 Ep. 12. Alberto Brandolini - On Domain-Driven Design and the challenges of reaching Agreements

S04 Ep. 11. Geoff Mulgan - Architecting the next generation of Institutions

S04 Ep. 10 Scott Brinker – Serving joint customer needs through a modular Platform at HubSpot

S04 Ep. 09 Jocelynn Pearl – The best use case of Web3 so far: DeSci

S04 Ep. 08 Thomas H. Davenport and Laks Srinivasan – Making AI-ready Organizations

S04 Ep. 07 Michael Zargham – Designing beyond the machine: Tokens, Blockchain & Contracts

S04 Ep. 06 Joe Justice – Working at a Musk Company: Modularity, Innovation and Cash flow

S4 Ep. 5 Raphael Ouzan – Growing and evolving organizations through Cloud Teams

S04 Ep. 04 Alicia Juarrero - The Biological Reality of Organizing

S4 Ep.03 Casey Winters - Design, Growth & Evolution of Product Organizations

S4 Ep.02 Bonnitta Roy - Post-Formal Actors inside Organizations: from Deviants to Lifeboats

S4 Ep.01 Chase Chapman - Modularity, Autonomy and Agreements: the future of DAOs and Orgs

The Boundaryless Conversations Podcast is back with Season 4

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S3 Ep.20 Gigi Levy Weiss – Investing in Platforms today: Learning, Data drivenness, and Web3

S3 Ep.19 Sangeet Choudary – Composability beyond software: building ecosystemic portfolios

S3 Ep. 18 Lisa Gill – Looking Beyond Teal

S3 Ep. 17 Trach – DAOs are Orgs: Moving at the speed of trust (in a trustless environment)

S3 Ep. 16 Rob Solomon – Building permissionless Ecosystems: Data and infrastructure at DIMO

S3 Ep. 15 Phoebe Tickell – Growing Institutional Imagination Capacity and Collective Intelligence in a Complex World

S3 Ep. 14 Adam Jackson – Developing and Investing in Web3 Networks: Double Clicking on Braintrust

S3 Ep. 13 Antoinette Weibel and Otti Vogt – The ‘Good’ and the ‘Bad’ organization: an ethics perspective

S3 Ep. 12 Jon Alexander – The citizen story: stepping into a many-to-many society

S3 Ep. 11 Michele Zanini – Firms as socially dense markets

S3 Ep. 10 Ethan Buchman – Why Blockchain should be plural: Cosmos and Inter-Blockchain Communication

S3 Ep. 9 Lucía Hernandez – Regenerative Platform Models: What do we mean?

S3 Ep. 8 L. M. Sacasas – Building a convivial society: autonomy, tools, scale and capabilities

S3 Ep. 7 Mara Zepeda – Ownership, Governance and Culture: Building Zebras, not Unicorns

S3 Ep. 6 - Framing the Platform-Ecosystem Space at the dawn of 2022

S3 Ep. 5 Jason Crawford – Narrative decentralization and the future of progress

S3 Ep. 4 Gabriel Luna-Ostaseski – Showing the way with Web 3 Marketplaces: Braintrust

S3 Ep. 3 Ivan Draganov – What‘s next for marketplaces: Fintech, B2B and more

S3 Ep. 2 Annette Dhami and Indy Johar – Dark Matter Labs: rethinking organizing #BeyondTheRules

S3 Ep. 1 Aron Fischer and Jack du Rose – Colony: distributed organizations that actually work

S2 Ep. 21 Tim O’Reilly – How Software is Infusing the World and What it Means

S2 Ep. 20 Matthew Skelton – On the Convergence between Software and Organizations

S2 Ep. 19 Nathan Schneider – From Platform Coops to Exit to Community

S2 Ep.18 B. Peters, R. Solomon, S. Kellert: Software and Protocols for a new way of Organizing