”Moment of Zen”

In this episode of Moment of Zen, Erik, Antonio, as well as two friends of the podcast who prefer to stay anonymous, discuss the disastrous Biden/Trump debate and what could happen after. They explore the state of U.S. politics by scrutinizing Joe Biden's controversial debate performance and its implications on his presidency, as well as reactions from the media and its impact on U.S. foreign relations.

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Complex Systems with Patrick McKenzie

Patrick McKenzie (@patio11) talks to experts who understand the complicated but not unknowable systems we rely on. You might be surprised at how quickly Patrick and his guests can put you in the top 1% of understanding for stock trading, tech hiring, and more.

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Mos4VE3figVXleHDqfXOH

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Political Gaffes and the Current State of Politics

(01:23) Sponsor: CommandBar

(02:18) Biden's Performance and Cognitive Decline

(03:21) The Role of Media and Public Perception

(07:15) Biden's Decision-Making and Political Dynamics

(12:53) Potential Political Replacements and Speculations

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(19:51) International Perspectives and Influence

(22:30) Trump vs. Biden: Public Perception and Debate Tactics

(27:43) Sponsors: NetSuite | Squad

(36:54) Debating Biden's Public Image

(37:48) Tech's Right-Wing Shift and Trump Endorsement

(38:51) Silicon Valley's Political Divide

(39:53) Crypto's Trump Support

(40:49) Changing Political Opinions in Tech

(45:30) Trump's Unpredictable Nature

(46:32) Biden's Aging and Potential Successors

(51:38) January 6th and Its Aftermath

(1:07:01) Trump's Second Term Concerns

(1:20:59) Wrap

In this episode of Moment of Zen, Erik interviews Richard Hanania about the evolving political landscape in the U.S., focusing on the changing dynamics within both the Republican and Democratic parties. They discuss the influence of big tech, the rise of Trumpism, political polarization, and the intellectual underpinnings of current political ideologies.

We’re publishing this conversation across Moment of Zen and Upstream since the themes are highly relevant to both shows.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Introduction

(01:11) Silicon Valley's Shift: Anti-Wokeness and Economic Concerns

(03:23) Political Evolution and Disillusionment with the Right

(04:18) Conservatism, Technology, and Cultural Grievances

(08:56) Human Capital and the Right's IQ Problem

(13:53) Sponsor: CommandBar | Netsuite

(16:22) Religion, Fertility, and Societal Coordination

(19:10) The Return Philosophy and Women's Happiness

(21:17) Trump's Political Genius and Threat to Democracy

(26:01) Sponsor: beehiiv | Babbel | Squad

(29:59) Biden vs. Trump: Election Predictions and Policy Impacts

(38:34) Debunking Antisemitism Claims in Protests

(39:28) Political Strategy and Victimhood

(40:55) Historical Context of Antisemitism

(42:11) Comparing Minority Experiences

(42:56) Demonization and Conspiracy Theories

(45:14) Evaluating Political Motivations

(47:12) The Role of Intellectuals and Media

(52:03) Immigration and National Identity

(59:47) Future of American Politics

(1:02:40) On Open Borders

(1:04:51) IQ vs Common Sense

(1:07:42) The Future of the Left and Right

(1:13:56) Wrap

Today on Moment of Zen, Journalist Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry sits with Erik Torenberg to explain the volatile state of French politics following recent European Parliament elections where Macron’s party performed poorly and the National Rally did very well. The conversation offers insights into the broader implications of these political shifts, touches on the societal divisions fueling these changes, immigration, and the potential economic impact on France.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Introduction

(00:35) Sponsor: CommandBar

(04:20) Macron's Strategy & Cohabitation

(08:11) The Political Landscape

(14:28) Comparison with U.S. Politics

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(16:22) Macron's Unpopularity & Economic Challenges

(21:02) Energy Policy and the Rise of Populism

(24:01) Sponsor: Netsuite | Squad

(27:94) The Economic Consequences of Populism

(31:11) France vs. Brexit

(35:46) The Future of France

(45:00) Brexit Comparison & EU Reform

(52:57) The Role of Young People in the Future

(54:34) Wrap

In this episode that originally aired on Upstream, Erik sits down with Balaji Srinivasan to discuss the Fiat Crisis, geopolitics, conspiracies, and the signs of decline for a hyperpower. It was recorded in June of 2023. Balaji is an angel investor, tech founder, philosopher, and author of The Network State. He was formerly the CTO of Coinbase.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(00:51) Intro

(01:23) Understanding the flat crisis

(08:34) Balaji’s equivalent premises

(14:54) Sponsor: NetSuite and Beehiiv

(17:55) Aftermath of Iraq and Afghanistan wars

(20:35) Multipolar world

(25:17) Blue America is at war with the world

(28:35) Sponsor: Babbel | Squad

(31:02) Cancellation is a weak form of warfare

(33:05) Interplay of realism and idealism in the U.S

(37:00) Red vs Blue vs Grey America

(44:11) Concept of American partition

(46:00) Rise of India's national Identity

(47:00) Evolution of China and Russia

(53:00) Microsoft, Facebook, and Google

(54:00) Japan-USSR rivalry and its impact

(01:01:10) Conspiracy theories and historical narratives

(01:09:00) Balaji’s predictions for 2024 & the Fed

(01:18:31) Wrap

David Sacks is known as a CEO/investor in multiple unicorns, and most recently a media mogul with All-In. In this episode, he sits down with Erik Torenberg to trace his intellectual and political history from his days fighting student activism at Stanford to now. We cover the political and cultural changes in the last 30 years of silicon valley, how the real distinction today is between the college-educated and the not, and how even though 2⁄3 of the country didn’t go to college, their views are not represented in our institutions today. This episode was recorded in December 2022 but is just as relevant today. 

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(02:11) How did tech become less free speech-oriented?

(03:35) Why is PayPal so woke?

(06:02) Woke Capitalism game

(08:52) Corporations and governments collaborating to censor

(16:22) Tracing political history in Silicon Valley 

(20:54) College educated vs. not is the biggest difference in US

Our elite is not democratic

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(29:15) Foreign Policy and Realism

(32:28) U.S. Russiaphobia

(36:30) Sponsor: Squad

(38:05) Big Tech Monopolies and Regulation

(41:42) The Future of Silicon Valley and Monopolies

(42:32) Regulating Acquisitions and Startup Ecosystems

(45:39) Censorship and Section 230

(47:17) The Role of Free Speech in Social Progress

(53:52) Institutional Reform and Accountability

(54:56) Elon Musk's Influence on Tech and Media

(1:06:33) The Future of Political and Economic Accountability

(1:19:30) Wrap

Today we are airing Erik's interview with Joe Lonsdale, originally published on Upstream in 2023. Joe Lonsdale is the co-founder of Palantir, managing partner at 8VC, and the founder of The Cicero Institute, a nonpartisan policy organization discusses the root causes of educational inequality and homelessness, and argues for competence over culture wars, data-driven solutions, and market incentives to fix some of the US' most plaguing problems. Grow your newsletter with Beehiiv: head to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "MOZ" for 20% off your first three months.

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Cicero Institute: https://ciceroinstitute.org/

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(00:47) Philanthropy and Impact: Joe's Approach to Social Change

(01:18) Nonpartisan Solutions for Broken Systems

(02:55) Cicero Institute's Mission and Impact Across States

(07:42) Addressing Education Inequality and Accountability

(12:32) Reforming Prisons and Probation with Data and Accountability

(16:12) Tackling Homelessness with Common Sense and Accountability

(18:53) Sponsor: Netsuite | Beehiiv

(21:16) Introducing Market Incentives, Market Competition, and Market Accountability

(25:06) Sponsor: Squad

(26:34) Innovative Approaches to Healthcare

(31:12) Rethinking Healthcare and Leadership

(31:32) Innovating Within vs. Outside the System

(32:13) The Challenge of Reforming Institutions

(33:41) Navigating the Complexities of Defense and Innovation

(37:36) The Power of State-Level Impact and Education Reform

(39:29) Silicon Valley's Influence and Responsibility

(40:32) Cultural Shifts and the Role of New Institutions

(55:27) The Future of American Competence and Optimism

(57:42) Wrap

In this episode, Carlos Pereira, partner at BITKRAFT Ventures, joins Erik, Antonio and Dan as they delve into the significant transformations within gaming, betting, and combat sports, facilitated by cryptocurrency and blockchain technology, emphasizing the groundbreaking integration of cryptocurrency through Web3 gaming.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Opening Banter

(01:28) Diving Into Crypto and Gaming Discussions

(02:11) The Evolution and Challenges of Web3 Gaming

(04:44) Analyzing the Crypto Gaming Landscape

(13:48) The Future of Gaming: Web3 and Beyond

(17:23) Sponsor: Netsuite | Beehiiv

(18:29) Deep Dive into Web3 Gaming and Digital Economies

(32:38) Exploring User-Generated Content and Game Modding

(34:14) Sponsor: Squad

(42:19) Investment Perspectives on Gaming and Infrastructure

(45:47) The Fascinating World of Gaming Business

(49:49) The Evolution of Gaming: From PVE to PVP

(51:40) The Intriguing Dynamics of Safe Zones in Games

(53:29) The Rise of Financialized Gaming Experiences

(1:06:31) Karate Combat: A New Era of Crypto-Infused Sports

(1:17:15) The Future of Media and Crypto's Role

(1:23:13) Wrap

In this episode of Moment of Zen, Erik is joined by Jonathan Haidt, social psychologist at New York University’s Stern School of Business and author of the newly released book "The Anxious Generation."

They have a comprehensive discussion that touches on the polarization and dysfunction in American politics, the impact of social media on democracy, and the importance of reclaiming a play-based childhood for the current generation

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(00:00) Intro

(00:13) Evolution of Jonathan's Work: From Moral Psychology to 'The Anxious Generation'

(01:14) The Impact of Social Media on Teen Mental Health

(02:50) Exploring the Tragedy of the Modern Childhood

(07:29) Addressing the Criticism and Pushback

(12:08) The Unprecedented Effects of Social Media on Society

(19:37) Adapting to Technological Changes and the Future of Childhood

(20:20) The Dire State of Democracy in the Digital Age

(27:01) How Technology Affects Liberals and Conservatives Differently

(28:20) Unveiling the Research: The Rise of Anxiety and Depression

(28:48) Breaking Down the Data: Gender, Politics, and Mental Health

(30:48) The Protective Power of Religion and Community

(31:32) Parenting Styles and Moral Values

(32:07) Challenges for Progressive Organizations and the Democratic Party

(32:42) Recommendations for a Healthier Childhood in the Digital Age

(33:50) Addressing the Broader Issues Beyond Smartphones

(34:35) The Role of Schools in Children's Mental Health

(36:33) A Call for Intentional Community Building

(37:34) Navigating the Public Health Crisis with Apolitical Solutions

(40:41) Engaging with the Tech Industry: Critiques and Clarifications

(41:01) The Debate on Content Moderation and the Need for Structural Changes

(56:27) Wrap

Today we're sharing a recent interview Erik gave to Alex LaBossiere that covers lots of themes we discuss on Moment of Zen - including Erik's views on tech vs. the media, hypocrisy of the elites, risk orientation, and the thesis behind Turpentine. Grow your newsletter with Beehiiv, head to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "MOZ" for 20% off your first three months

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(00:00) Intro

(05:38) On Investing vs Operating

(08:05) Trust and Direct Distribution

(11:55) Legacy Media and the Techlash

(17:54) Sponsor: Netsuite | Beehiiv

(20:32) What is Turpentine

(22:23) Lessons From 1000 Interviews

(23:51) The Printing Press, Barbells, and the Future of Media

(28:13) Pre-Internet Journalism and Survival of the Fittest Ideas

(31:35) Creator Monetization and Price Discrimination

(37:45) Sponsor: Squad

(39:12) Does Media Have a Direction?

(46:02) Tailwinds and Turpentine at Scale

(53:55) Creating More Startups and Understanding Risk

(58:42) Is Entrepreneurship Founder or Market Limited?

(1:03:22) What Do Most People Get Wrong About Community Building?

(1:05:51) Probabilistic vs Deterministic Mindsets

(1:08:48) On Faith over Logic

(1:12:22) Modernity and God Shaped Holes

(1:15:02) The Hypocrisy of Elites

(1:17:47) Asking Erik Questions He Asks People

(1:19:05) What Should More People be Thinking About?

(1:22:37) Wrap

Today’s episode is a debate from Bankless on the opposing viewpoints of Effective Accelerationism (E/ACC) and Effective Altruism (EA). Hosted by Ryan Sean Adams and David Hoffman and featuring Haseeb Qureshi and our own Erik Torenberg, the podcast discusses whether AI progression should be cautiously regulated or aggressively pursued with minimal oversight.

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Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0epyYBAxLeF0PsNagdDJAJ

Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/company-breakdowns/id1743119197

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Preview

(00:43) Navigating the Tech Acceleration vs. Deceleration Debate

(06:31) Exploring Effective Altruism (EA) and Its Impact on AI and Tech

(08:53) The EA Perspective: Balancing AI Risk with Technological Progress

(17:52) Sponsor: Netsuite | Beehiiv

(20:15) Effective altruists debate AI's future impact

(30:04) Navigating the Culture War: Accelerationism vs. Decelerationism

(33:48) Sponsor: Squad

(35:50) EA's Influence and the Acceleration Debate

(37:28 )AI Regulation and the Influence of Congress

(38:12) Crypto Tribes and the Impact of Social Media

(39:03) The Reality of Crypto Twitter vs. Actual Influence

(39:51) Exploring Silicon Valley's Perspective on AI and Regulation

(41:44) The OpenAI Coup: Unpacking the Real Story

(44:03) AI Safety vs Self-Regulation

(46:13) Silicon Valley in AI Development and Regulation

(59:47) The Complexities of AI Ethics and the Call for More Debate

(1:09:15) Exploring the EA Worldview and Its Misconceptions

(1:09:44) A Rational Approach to AI and Existential Risks

(1:12:04) Branding and Perception Challenges of EA

(1:12:42) EA's Beta Energy vs. Alpha Aggression

(1:13:15) Balanced Tech Ecosystem: EA and E/ACC Synergy

(1:18:26) Navigating the Political Landscape of AI and Technology

(1:31:31) The Importance of a Multi-faceted Approach to AI Regulation

(1:40:06) AI Safety, Ethics, and Accelerationism

(1:42:22) Wrap

In this episode, Mike Rainbow (co-founder of Rainbow wallet) joins Erik, Dan, and Antonio as they dive into crypto's future. The conversation was prompted by the thesis that innovative social protocols like Farcaster are co-evolving with crypto wallets as onramps or a portal to web3. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out NetSuite: https://netsuite.com/zen — NetSuite has extended a one-of-a-kind flexible financing program for a few more weeks.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Exploring Crypto's Impact on Financial Intermediaries

(01:36) Introducing Mike Rainbow: A Unique Crypto Personality

(02:09) Massachusetts Memories and Dunkin' Donuts Dominance

(02:46) East Coast Social Dynamics and Crypto Culture

(04:46) The Evolution of Wallets and Social Networks in Crypto

(06:26) Debating the Convergence of Crypto Products

(15:00) Sponsors: Netsuite | Harmonic

(17:18) Building Integrated Crypto Platforms Continued

(22:15) The Future of Messaging and Composability in Crypto

(27:30) Exploring Group Chat Dynamics and App Adoption

(28:13) The Evolution of Transaction Frames in Crypto

(30:37) Sponsor: Squad

(32:02) Innovations and Challenges in Transaction Frames

(36:29) Deep Dive into Frame Technology and Developer Challenges

(41:39) The Future of Frames and Web3 Standards

(46:51) Demographic Shifts and Future Directions for Farcaster

(53:49) Wrap

Bryan Johnson joins Antonio Garcia Martinez and Erik Torenberg on Moment of Zen to discuss the deeper spiritual beliefs behind the "Don't Die" movement in the face of AI and the inadequacy of human clock speed. They cover religions as death cults, long-termism vs engineering your own longevity, and Bryan's recent interview on Tucker Carlson.

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Bryan Johnson on Tucker Carlson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr4E0jEjQMM

Bryan Johnson's Blueprint/ Don't Die: https://protocol.bryanjohnson.com/DONT-DIE-by-Zero

Book recommendation: The Postmortal by Drew Magary https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10673576-the-postmortal

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Opening Banter

(00:19) Bryan's Tucker Carlson Interview

(01:19) Long-Termism

(02:24) The 25th Century Perspective

(07:56) Navigating the Future with AI and the Network State

(09:40) Sponsor: Netsuite | Squad

(12:11) The 'Don't Die' Philosophy and Its Implications

(15:47) The Blade Runner Fallacy

(18:39) Using Algorithms to Optimize Your Personal Life

(22:39) Redefining Civilization in the Age of AI

(25:50) On Mortality and Future Civilization

(32:22) Exploring Existential Crises and the Role of Faith

(33:45) The Identity Crisis in Modern Society

(36:08) Technology and Tradition: A Surprising Harmony

(38:04) Future of AI and Its Impact on Society

(38:56) Navigating the Unpredictable Future

(45:32) The Philosophical Debate on Existence and Survival

(1:02:14) Reimagining Human Experience in a Post-Death World

(1:04:28) Wrap

Li Jin joins Erik Torenberg, Dan Romero, and Antonio Garcia Martinez. Li is the co-founder of Variant Fund and a prolific writer. This episode dives deep into crypto, web3, memecoins, and the attention economy thesis. They cover the direction of techno-capitalism and its impact on politics, decentralization, and the cultural differences between American and European value systems. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out NetSuite: https://netsuite.com/zen - now through April 15th NetSuite is offering a one-of-a-kind flexible financing program.

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Li Jin: https://li-jin.co/about/

Variant Fund: https://variant.fund/

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TIMESTAMPSL

(00:00) Adding Ukraine to NATO

(01:30) Peace in Ukraine?

(05:16) On the Attention Economy

(10:16) Meme Coins and Attention Valuation

(14:23) Sponsor: NetSuite | Squad

(17:38) Meme Coins Continued

(23:51) Marxism

(33:05) Exploring the Power Structure and Social Tensions

(34:10) The Managerial Elite and Bourgeoisie Capitalism

(36:12) Perspectives on Europe and Innovation

(44:16) Crypto's Role in Society: Egalitarian or Hierarchical?

(57:35) Attention Economy and Memetics

(59:28) Wrap

Curtis Yarvin returns to Moment of Zen to talk media, regime change, censorship, and the future role of platforms like X and Reddit in reputation capital structures. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out NetSuite: https://netsuite.com/zen — now through April 15th NetSuite is offering a one-of-a-kind flexible financing program.

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Autopilot explores the adoption and rollout of AI in the industries that drive the economy and the dynamic founders bringing rapid change to slow-moving industries. From law, to hardware, to aviation, Will Summerlin interviews founders backed by Benchmark, Greylock, and more to learn how they're automating at the frontiers in entrenched industries.

Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6YQZkKHN7EP2yWedAvSxBC?si=18377c69a2804333

Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/autopilot-with-will-summerlin/id1738163836

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Preview

(01:54) Yarvin vs Hanania Debate

(05:19) Roadmap to Building the New Regime

(06:59) Militias and Building a New Regime Within an Existing One

(12:10) Journalism and Intelligence in Shaping Regimes

(15:00) Sponsor: Netsuite | Turpentine

(16:47) Founding State Media for the Next Regime

(23:42) Maximizing Trust and Engagement

(45:14) Elite Seduction in Media Influence

(55:21) Concept of a "Truth Machine"

(59:59) Regime Change and the Role of Media

(1:05:21) Advice to Elon Musk

(1:13:20) Reimagining Twitter's Role and Impact

(1:29:13) Authority and Power in Media

(1:38:04) Wrap

In this episode, Dan, Erik and Antonio discuss Don Lemon’s interview with Elon Musk, the Dune 2 and Napoleon releases, polyamory, the Apple antitrust case, and fatherly advice. Happy birthday Antonio! If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out NetSuite: https://netsuite.com/zen -- now through April 15th NetSuite is offering a one-of-a-kind flexible financing program.

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: Autopilot explores the adoption and rollout of AI in the industries that drive the economy and the dynamic founders bringing rapid change to slow-moving industries. From law, to hardware, to aviation, Will Summerlin interviews founders backed by Benchmark, Greylock, and more to learn how they're automating at the frontiers in entrenched industries.

Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6YQZkKHN7EP2yWedAvSxBC?si=18377c69a2804333

Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/autopilot-with-will-summerlin/id1738163836.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Don Lemon's Interview with Elon Musk

(02:48) The Media Shift and the Decline of Slow Journalism

(06:37) On Public Figures and Platforms

(11:58) Fatherly Advice

(17:10) Sponsor - Netsuite | Turpentine

(24:58) Napoleon's Portrayal in Ridley Scott's Film

(34:37) Dune 2 commentary

(41:48) Who liked David Lynch's Adaptation of Dune?

(43:57) The Evolution of Movie-Going: From Digital to Analog Luxury

(45:33) Polyamory Discourse

(48:37) Microsoft, Apple, and Antitrust Laws

(56:57) The TikTok Conundrum

(1:03:31) Age, Diet, and Digital Sabbaths

(1:11:46) Aella’s Legacy: Free Speech, Polyamory, and Creator Economy

(1:14:33) Wrap

This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

In this conversation, Erik Torenberg sits down with Antonio Garcia Martinez, founder of Spindl and author of ‘Chaos Monkeys’, and Parker Thompson, partner at SAX Capital, TNT Ventures, and AngelList, to explore the influence of social media on society. They discuss media literacy and journalism, how politics change people's views of social media, and the rise of unique religious movements in social activism. This episode marks the first time Erik interviewed Antonio Garcia Martinez on Venture Stories back in 2019 and remains relevant today. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out NetSuite: https://netsuite.com/zen.

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: Autopilot explores the adoption and rollout of AI in the industries that drive the economy and the dynamic founders bringing rapid change to slow-moving industries. From law, to hardware, to aviation, Will Summerlin interviews founders backed by Benchmark, Greylock, and more to learn how they're automating at the frontiers in entrenched industries.

Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6YQZkKHN7EP2yWedAvSxBC?si=18377c69a2804333

Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/autopilot-with-will-summerlin/id1738163836.

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BOOKS CITED:

Chaos Monkeys by Antonio Garcia Martinez

Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man by Marshall McLuhan 

Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business by Neil Postman

The Image: A Guide to Pseudo-Events in America by Daniel J. Boorstin

The Revolt of the Public and the Crisis of Authority in the New Millennium by Martin Gurri

Seven Types of Atheism by John Gray

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(01:23) Impact of Facebook

(02:41) Evolution of Media and Its Influence on Society

(10:10) Journalism and Media Ethics

(26:25) Effectiveness of Media Regulation

(33:10) Facebook's Content Curation

(34:02) Content Control

(35:32) Impact of Algorithms on Society and Business

(38:50) Generational Shifts in Media Consumption

(45:57) Exploring the Ideology of Silicon Valley

(49:44) Secular Religions and the Quest for Community

(58:39) Future of Religion and Community in the Digital Age

(01:03:36) Wrap

This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

In this conversation, Erik Torenberg and Dan Romero sit with Rudyard Lynch of  @WhatifAltHist  to discuss his analysis of potential future global events, such as an American civil war and a revolution in China, considering economic conditions, demographics, and societal behaviors. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out NetSuite: https://netsuite.com/zen.

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BOOKS CITED:

Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies by Jared Diamond

Who We Are and How We Got Here: Ancient DNA and the New Science of the Human Past by David Reich

The Coming Caesars by Amaury De Riencourt

The Eye of Shiva: Eastern Mysticism and Science by Amaury De Riencourt

Bulfinch's Mythology - All Three Volumes - The Age of Fable, The Age of Chivalry, and Legends of Charlemagne by Thomas Bulfinch

Dune by Frank Herbert

Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind by Yuval Noah Harari

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(01:14) Rudyard and Dan's Approach to History

(03:50) Alt History

(11:57) Modern Civilization and Historical Patterns

(19:31) Sponsor: NETSUITE

(20:50) Possibility of a Civil War?

(42:47) Political Crisis and the Split of States

(44:00) Power of American National Guards

(45:02) Dependence of States on Federal Funding

(43:47) Economic Divide in America

(47:18) Struggles of Average Americans

(48:50) Insane Minorities in Civil Wars

(50:00) Power of Elites in Conflicts

(57:34) Potential for a Competent Trump-like Populist

(01:04:50) The Future of China and Its Potential Revolution

(01:17:20) Wrap

This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

This discussion is from Erik's first interview with Dan from the Venture Stories podcast. Dan shares his views on scaling Coinbase, the evolution of crypto, as well as the books and influences that shaped his intellectual journey. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out NetSuite: https://netsuite.com/zen.

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SELECTION OF BOOKS MENTIONED:

• Why the West Rules -- For Now by Ian Morris
• The Prize by Daniel Yergin
• The Kill Chain by Christian Brose
• Nixonland by Rick Perlstein
• The Sovereign Individual by James Dale Davidson and Lord William Rees-Mogg

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(00:38) Lessons from Scaling Coinbase

(01:02) Coinbase and Crypto Ideologies

(05:55) The Reality of Working in a Fast-Growing Startup

(08:12) Dan Romero's Self-Learning Journey

(15:46) Sponsor: NetSuite

(17:00) Impact of Globalism and State Capacity

(35:00) Understanding the History of Communism

(46:14) Reflections on Nixon's Presidency

(51:00) Predicting the Future: Technology and Policy

(53:30) Insights from the Book 'Dominion'

(57:37) Reflections on Society and Morality

(01:03:00) Perspectives on Peter Thiel

(01:11:00) Current State and Future of Cryptocurrency

(01:27:00) Power and Influence of Memes

(01:32:00) Learning from Influential Figures in Tech

This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

Erik Torenberg and Dan Romero talk about Dan’s company Farcaster, a decentralized social media protocol. Following the launch of Frames earlier this year, Farcaster experienced significant growth placing the team at a critical junction ripe with lessons for any startup. Dan discusses the challenges of building Farcaster, the promise of decentralization, and the future of social media. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out NetSuite: https://netsuite.com/zen

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NETSUITE: http://netsuite.com/zen

NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and download your own customized KPI checklist.

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https://www.farcaster.xyz/

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Farcaster's Explosive Growth

(07:02) Understanding the Factors Behind Farcaster's Growth

(08:02) Decentralization in Farcaster Explained

(14:33) Sponsor - Netsuite

(15:59) The Role of Channels in Farcaster's User Engagement

(31:40) Building Businesses on Farcaster

(37:14) Brand Advertising and Revenue Growth

(37:52) Farcaster and Monetization Strategies

(42:46) Monetization Model and Scaling Strategies for Farcaster

(47:26) A Billion Users on Farcaster

(52:25) On Going Public

(57:22) The Single Biggest Threat to Farcaster

(1:03:00) Retention in Scaling and Why Things Fizzled for Clubhouse

(1:09:05) The Possibility of Building Niche Social Networks on Farcaster

(1:14:12) Wrap

This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

This week Erik Torenberg, Dan Romero, and Antonio Garcia Martinez sit down with Chris Dixon, a16z General Partner and author of the new book Read Write Own. They discuss the evolution of crypto, the potential impact of blockchain on existing industries, re-centralization, the implications of AI on the internet economy, and media perception of tech. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out NetSuite: https://netsuite.com/zen

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: History 102 with WhatifAltHist

Every week, creator of WhatifAltHist Rudyard Lynch and Erik Torenberg cover a major topic in history in depth -- in under an hour. This season will cover classical Greece, early America, the Vikings, medieval Islam, ancient China, the fall of the Roman Empire, and more.

Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36Kqo3BMMUBGTDo1IEYihm

Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/history-102-with-whatifalthists-rudyard-lynch-and/id1730633913

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@History102-qg5oj

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NETSUITE: http://netsuite.com/zen

NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and download your own customized KPI checklist.

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Buy Chris' book: https://readwriteown.com/

MoZ newsletter: https://momentofzen.substack.com/

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(00:12)Why Chris wrote Read Write Own'

(03:36) The Negative Perception of Blockchains in Mainstream Media

(08:31) The Future of Crypto and Blockchain

(13:53) Sponsor: NetSuite

(15:00) Open Protocol

(32:23) The Impact of AI on the Internet Economy

(40:33) The Power Dynamics of the Internet

(42:29) The Rise of Blockchain and AI

(45:59) Future of Web3

(46:24) Growth of Tech

(49:15) Challenges and Opportunities of Crypto

(01:11:46) Policy in Tech Evolution

This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

Dan Romero and Erik Torenberg chat about building a company in 2024, selecting ideas to work on, and finding product-market fit (Dan quotes Marc Andreessen's definition of the term). They also cover Dan's experience at Coinbase and building Farcaster. They recorded this episode for a new show called Request for Startups where guests discuss the startups they think should exist, and share how they navigated the idea maze in their sector https://requestforstartups.substack.com/

Subscribe to Request for Startups for more of these types of episodes:

• Video episodes are only available on Substack: https://requestforstartups.substack.com/
• Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/739L1LR32QI2XyoZlRh5nv
• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/request-for-startups-with-erik-torenberg/id1728659822

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: History 102 with WhatifAltHist

Every week, creator of WhatifAltHist Rudyard Lynch and Erik Torenberg cover a major topic in history in depth -- in under an hour. This season will cover classical Greece, early America, the Vikings, medieval Islam, ancient China, the fall of the Roman Empire, and more.

Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36Kqo3BMMUBGTDo1IEYihm

Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/history-102-with-whatifalthists-rudyard-lynch-and/id1730633913

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@History102-qg5oj

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We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

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NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and download your own customized KPI checklist.

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Farcaster: https://www.farcaster.xyz/

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(00:15) Farcaster's Growth and Frames

(04:06) Social matters

(07:46) Evolution of Farcaster

(11:17) Sponsor: NetSuite

(12:28) How Dan built Farcaster

(28:01) Challenges of Competition

(36:19) Venture involvement

(36:34) How Erik started Turpentine

(38:17) The Concept of Founder Market Fit

(39:32) Unfair Advantages in Startups

(40:06) The Danger of Over-Experience in Startups

(41:24) Market Selection

(42:23) Distribution

(52:22) The Impact of Higher Education on Startups

(55:55) The Potential of Labor Marketplaces

(01:00:48) The Future of Pseudonymous Networks

(01:03:04) The Role of Reputation in Hiring

(01:12:43) The Power of Utilizing Idle Assets

This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

This week Erik Torenberg, Dan Romero, and Antonio Garcia Martinez sit down to discuss the popular Europe vs United States debate, the concept of human longevity, the current state of democracy in the age of social media, and more. Moment of Zen is sponsored by Shopify: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial period.

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Check out Erik's new show Request for Startups featuring a rotating cast of founders and investors (including Dan) sharing their requests for startups they want to exist in the world, and also their stories of navigating the idea maze in different sectors so founders don’t have to reinvent the wheel anymore. The first episode is out now - we over better dating apps, references as a service, and WeWork for productivity

• Watch and Subscribe on Substack: https://requestforstartups.substack.com/p/receipt-based-dating-reference-checks
• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/request-for-startups-with-erik-torenberg/id1728659822
• Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/739L1LR32QI2XyoZlRh5nv

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: History 102 with WhatifAltHist

Every week, creator of WhatifAltHist Rudyard Lynch and Erik Torenberg cover a major topic in history in depth -- in under an hour. This season will cover classical Greece, early America, the Vikings, medieval Islam, ancient China, the fall of the Roman Empire, and more.

Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36Kqo3BMMUBGTDo1IEYihm

Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/history-102-with-whatifalthists-rudyard-lynch-and/id1730633913

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@History102-qg5oj

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SPONSORS:

BEEHIIV

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SHOPIFY: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial period

Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen

NETSUITE: http://netsuite.com/zen

NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and download your own customized KPI checklist.

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TIMESTAMPS

(00:00) Episode Preview

(01:21) The launch of Frames

(05:48) Why Frames is important

(11:44) SPONSOR: SHOPIFY

(13:20) About Spindle and Farcaster

(20:25) SPONSOR: NETSUITE

(23:05) The Europe vs America debate

(48:33 - 01:15:03) Bryan Johnson & the future of life longevity

(57:44) Inequality in America vs Europe

(01:15:04) Effects of social media on mental health

(01:21:25) Democracy in the age of social media

This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

This week Erik sits down with Nadia Asparouhova and Bayeslord to discuss the meaning and philosophy of effective accelerationism (e/acc), the polarization and nuance in the tech industry, and much more. Moment of Zen is sponsored by Shopify: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial period.

Check out Bayeslord's article in Pirate Wires, ' The Ethos of the Divine Age' https://www.piratewires.com/p/ethos-divine-age

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: History 102 with WhatifAltHist

Every week, creator of WhatifAltHist Rudyard Lynch and Erik Torenberg cover a major topic in history in depth -- in under an hour. This season will cover classical Greece, early America, the Vikings, medieval Islam, ancient China, the fall of the Roman Empire, and more.

Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36Kqo3BMMUBGTDo1IEYihm

Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/history-102-with-whatifalthists-rudyard-lynch-and/id1730633913

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@History102-qg5oj

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SPONSORS: BEEHIIV | SHOPIFY | NETSUITE

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SHOPIFY: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial period

Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen

NETSUITE: http://netsuite.com/zen

NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and download your own customized KPI checklist.

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Bayeslord and Nadia's article:https://www.piratewires.com/p/ethos-divine-age

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@eriktorenberg (Erik)

@bayeslord (Bayeslord)

@nayafia (Nadia)

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(01:40) Understanding the Perception of E/ACC

(03:14) The Impact of E/ACC on Tech Culture

(05:38) Nadia's Perspective on E/ACC

(14:30) Evolution of Tech Culture

(17:10) SPONSOR: SHOPIFY

(29:55) Influence of Elon Musk on Tech Culture

(36:35) SPOSNOR: NETSUITE

(46:07) Leadership in E/ACC

(49:36) Impact of Social Media

(54:42) Evolution of Web 2.0 and Its Consequences

(56:30) Future of AI and Potential Risks

(58:31) Philosophy of E/ACC

(01:27:14) Wrap

This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

Dan and Erik discuss the potential impact of a Trump win in 2024, the appeal of populism, the impact of AI on the next generation of startups, and an update from Farcaster and Turpentine. Moment of Zen is sponsored by Shopify: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial period.

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: History 102 with WhatifAltHist

Every week, creator of WhatifAltHist Rudyard Lynch and Erik Torenberg cover a major topic in history in depth -- in under an hour. This season will cover classical Greece, early America, the Vikings, medieval Islam, ancient China, the fall of the Roman Empire, and more.

Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36Kqo3BMMUBGTDo1IEYihm

Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/history-102-with-whatifalthists-rudyard-lynch-and/id1730633913

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@History102-qg5oj

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SPONSORS: BEEHIIV | SHOPIFY | NETSUITE

BEEHIIV

Head to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "MOZ" for 20% off your first three months.

SHOPIFY: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial period

Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen

NETSUITE: http://netsuite.com/zen

NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and download your own customized KPI checklist.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(01:08) Recap of 2023

(01:59) Impact of Elon Musk's Takeover of Twitter

(05:07) Impact of Changing Twitter and Zerp Policies

(08:54) Decline of Cancel Culture and Rise of Intellectual Diversity

(14:47) Sponsors: Shopify | NetSuite

(27:17) The Role of Prediction Markets in Politics

(35:15) Affirmative Action

(37:10) The Reality of Raising Funds in the Crypto World

(39:32) Tech and Politics

(45:24) Potential Trump Win 

(01:07:31) Political Campaign Strategies

(01:08:58) New City Projects

(01:10:28) The Influence of Interest Rates on Tech Companies

(01:12:33) The Potential of AI and Startup Efficiency

(01:15:49) Forcaster updates

(01:24:39) Wrap

This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

Curtis joins Dan and Erik to discuss his upcoming debate with Richard Hanania, FDR's leadership style, radical changes to institutions like Harvard, and more. Moment of Zen is sponsored by Shopify: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial period.

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: History 102 with WhatifAltHist

Every week, creator of WhatifAltHist Rudyard Lynch and Erik Torenberg cover a major topic in history in depth -- in under an hour. This season will cover classical Greece, early America, the Vikings, medieval Islam, ancient China, the fall of the Roman Empire, and more.

Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36Kqo3BMMUBGTDo1IEYihm

Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/history-102-with-whatifalthists-rudyard-lynch-and/id1730633913

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@History102-qg5oj

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We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

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SPONSORS: BEEHIIV | SHOPIFY | NETSUITE

BEEHIIV

Head to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "MOZ" for 20% off your first three months.

SHOPIFY: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial period

Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen

NETSUITE: http://netsuite.com/zen

NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and download your own customized KPI checklist.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(05:10) Debating Richard Hanania

(11:21) On the executive branch in DC

(22:20) On the progressive movement

(37:19) Intellectuals running the government

(42:40) FDR—inaugural address and leadership style

(53:05) The dysfunction of Washington and creating a new government

(01:03:05) On the effectiveness of command-based organizations

(01:13:02) The legacy of FDR

(01:23:00) The Challenge of taking over institutions

(01:30:07) De-woke-ifying Harvard

(01:40:05) On the impunity of the elite

(01:47:54 Wrap

This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

Dan Romero and Erik Torenberg talk about what's happening between Bill Ackman and Harvard: they touch on the 10-7 movement and the focus on DEI in universities, the future of education and the challenges of disrupting elite schools, the value of credentials, and more. Moment of Zen is sponsored by Shopify: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial period.

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: History 102 with WhatifAltHist

Every week, creator of WhatifAltHist Rudyard Lynch and Erik Torenberg cover a major topic in history in depth -- in under an hour. This season will cover classical Greece, early America, the Vikings, medieval Islam, ancient China, the fall of the Roman Empire, and more.

Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36Kqo3BMMUBGTDo1IEYihm

Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/history-102-with-whatifalthists-rudyard-lynch-and/id1730633913

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@History102-qg5oj

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Check out Erik's new show Request for Startups featuring a rotating cast of founders and investors (including Dan) sharing their requests for startups they want to exist in the world, and also their stories of navigating the idea maze in different sectors so founders don’t have to reinvent the wheel anymore. The first episode is out now - we over better dating apps, references as a service, and WeWork for productivity

• Watch and Subscribe on Substack: https://requestforstartups.substack.com/p/receipt-based-dating-reference-checks
• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/request-for-startups-with-erik-torenberg/id1728659822
• Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/739L1LR32QI2XyoZlRh5nv

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SPONSORS: BEEHIIV | SHOPIFY | NETSUITE

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Head to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "MOZ" for 20% off your first three months.

SHOPIFY: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial period

Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen

NETSUITE: http://netsuite.com/zen

NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and download your own customized KPI checklist.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Introduction to Bill Ackman

(05:50) Bill Ackman vs. Harvard and MIT

(17:30) On how 10/7 relates to DEI

(26:08) The power of Twitter and social media

(33:46) Curtis vs Chris Rufo

(40:36) The future of education and disrupting universities

(44:52) Disrupting Harvard and Stanford

(51:50) The value of credentials

(56:41) Why higher education is so corrupt

(01:02:25) Wrap

This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

For the holiday stretch, we're publishing a few of our favorite episodes from this year. Today, we’re airing Erik's solo interview with Sam Harris over on his Upstream podcast. This discussion covers Sam’s concerns about populism, polarization, and inequality. We also discuss why Sam is hated by the left and the right. Moment of Zen will return with a new episode this weekend.

This episode originally aired on May 29th, 2023

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: History 102 with WhatifAltHist

Every week, creator of WhatifAltHist Rudyard Lynch and Erik Torenberg cover a major topic in history in depth -- in under an hour. This season will cover classical Greece, early America, the Vikings, medieval Islam, ancient China, the fall of the Roman Empire, and more.

Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36Kqo3BMMUBGTDo1IEYihm

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YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@History102-qg5oj

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Check out Erik's new show Request for Startups featuring a rotating cast of founders and investors (including Dan) sharing their requests for startups they want to exist in the world, and also their stories of navigating the idea maze in different sectors so founders don’t have to reinvent the wheel anymore. The first episode is out now - we over better dating apps, references as a service, and WeWork for productivity

• Watch and Subscribe on Substack: https://requestforstartups.substack.com/p/receipt-based-dating-reference-checks
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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(05:07) Discussion on Misinformation and Social Media

(07:34) Sam Harris's Decision to Leave Twitter

(14:43) SPONSORS: SHOPIFY | NETSUITE

(19:30) Exploring the Conflict Between Left and Right

(22:27) Debate on Equality, Disparities, and Discrimination

(28:54) Continuation of the Discussion on Equality and Discrimination

(46:57) The Rise of Contrarianism and its Impact on Politics

(51:55) The Dangers of Conspiracy Theories and Misinformation

(55:19) The Impact of Online Politics and Misinformation

(01:00:28) The Influence of Wealth and Power on Society

(01:06:03) The Dangers of Polarization

(01:25:19) The Role of Capitalism and the Need for Reform

(01:28:28) Wrap

For the holiday stretch, we're publishing a few of our favorite episodes from this year of Moment of Zen. Today, we’re airing our first ever episodes with Marc Andreessen (released exactly one year ago). Marc discussed SBF, Twitter and censorship, and more. In the second half of this extra long episode with Marc, we get into the ideas of Nietzsche, Henrich, Burnham and more of Marc's intellectual influences.

This episode originally aired in two parts on December 28 & 30th, 2022.

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: History 102 with WhatifAltHist

Every week, creator of WhatifAltHist Rudyard Lynch and Erik Torenberg cover a major topic in history in depth -- in under an hour. This season will cover classical Greece, early America, the Vikings, medieval Islam, ancient China, the fall of the Roman Empire, and more.

Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36Kqo3BMMUBGTDo1IEYihm

Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/history-102-with-whatifalthists-rudyard-lynch-and/id1730633913

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@History102-qg5oj

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NETSUITE: http://netsuite.com/zen

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(00:00) Re-airing our first ever episodes

(05:00) Future of Binance

(11:57) Exploring the Potential Redemption Arc for SBF

(16:00) Sponsors: Shopify | NetSuite

(26:05) Twitter under Elon Musk

(33:43) Sponsors: MasterClass

(40:53) The Power Dynamics in Tech Companies and Their Influence on Free Speech

(55:08) The Future of Consumer Web 3 and Its Potential Impact on Tech Industry

(01:56:19) The Future of American Society

Katherine Boyle, GP at a16z and Mike Solana, Editor in Chief of Pirate Wires joined Erik, Dan, and Antonio to discuss whether a liberal arts degree is worth it and how to save San Francisco. They cover the drawbacks of the current educational system, the opportunity cost of our educated class, and elitism. This episode originally aired June 17th, 2023.

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: History 102 with WhatifAltHist

Every week, creator of WhatifAltHist Rudyard Lynch and Erik Torenberg cover a major topic in history in depth -- in under an hour. This season will cover classical Greece, early America, the Vikings, medieval Islam, ancient China, the fall of the Roman Empire, and more.

Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36Kqo3BMMUBGTDo1IEYihm

Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/history-102-with-whatifalthists-rudyard-lynch-and/id1730633913

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@History102-qg5oj

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NETSUITE: http://netsuite.com/zen

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(00:00) Intro

(03:40) MOZ's first fight - institutionalism vs anti-institutionalism

(07:18) The Shift in Educational Trends

(14:30) Sponsor: Shopify | NetSuite

(26:00) The Importance of Humanities in Education

(30:00) The Importance of Technical Literacy in Society

(31:00) Sponsor: MasterClass

(35:40) The Problem with Overemphasis on College Education

(48:15) The Impact of Drug Culture on Cities

(58:50) The Evolution of San Francisco's Tech Scene

(01:00:45) Political Engagement in San Francisco

(01:22:00) The Struggles of Millennials

This week Noah Smith joins Dan Romero and Erik Torenberg to discuss the overuse of the term “fascism,” what has led to the capabilities of China and the U.S., and much more. Moment of Zen is sponsored by Shopify: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial period.

This episode is a collaboration with one of Turpentine's biggest shows, Econ 102. Check out Econ 102: https://www.podpage.com/econ102/

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Check out Erik's new show Request for Startups featuring a rotating cast of founders and investors (including Dan) sharing their requests for startups they want to exist in the world, and also their stories of navigating the idea maze in different sectors so founders don’t have to reinvent the wheel anymore. The first episode is out now - we over better dating apps, references as a service, and WeWork for productivity

• Watch and Subscribe on Substack: https://requestforstartups.substack.com/p/receipt-based-dating-reference-checks
• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/request-for-startups-with-erik-torenberg/id1728659822
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NETSUITE: http://netsuite.com/zen

NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and download your own customized KPI checklist.

MASTERCLASS: https://masterclass.com/zen get two memberships for the price of 1

Learn from the best to become your best. Learn how to negotiate a raise with Chris Voss or manage your relationships with Esther Perel. Boost your confidence and find practical takeaways you can apply to your life and at work. If you own a business or are a team leader, use MasterClass to empower and create future-ready employees and leaders. Moment of Zen listeners will get two memberships for the price of one at https://masterclass.com/zen

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TIMESTAMPS

(00:00) The word 'Fascist'

(08:40) Economic transformation in China

(13:04) SPONSOR: SHOPIFY

(16:10) Impacts of Trump's policies

(19:07) The renegotiation of NAFTA

(23:51) United States' withdrawal from the Middle East

(27:22) SPONSORS: NETSUITE & MASTERCLASS

(30:05) Asia & US foreign policy

(41:46) The importance of focusing on Asia

(48:20) U.S. production during World War II

(50:14) China's production capabilities

(58:57) US military budget and production

(59:56) Industrial production in World War II

(01:14:48) Political unity and continuity in foreign policy

Balaji Srinivasan joins Nathan Labenz to discuss polytheistic AI and AI gods, human-AI symbiosis, and how AI will be controlled. Moment of Zen is sponsored by Shopify: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial period.

This episode is a feed drop of one of Turpentine's biggest shows, The Cognitive Revolution, where Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg interview builders on the edge of AI and explore its dramatic shift over the next decades. Listen and subscribe everywhere you get your podcasts: https://www.cognitiverevolution.ai/

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We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

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NETSUITE: http://netsuite.com/zen

NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and download your own customized KPI checklist.

MASTERCLASS: https://masterclass.com/zen get two memberships for the price of 1

Learn from the best to become your best. Learn how to negotiate a raise with Chris Voss or manage your relationships with Esther Perel. Boost your confidence and find practical takeaways you can apply to your life and at work. If you own a business or are a team leader, use MasterClass to empower and create future-ready employees and leaders. Moment of Zen listeners will get two memberships for the price of one at https://masterclass.com/zen

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) - Episode Preview

(06:07) - Evolution of AI Systems

(09:39) - Challenges of AI Robustness

(29:54) - Intersection of AI and Politics

(52:14) - Regulation

(52:44) - Slippery slope of precedent setting

(54:00) - Role of AI in political chaos

(01:05:39) - AI's future as amplified intelligence

(01:13:00) - Polytheistic model of AI

(01:32:00) - Role of AI in Habitat Degradation

(01:38:22) - Difference between AI existential threat and economic disruption

(01:40:19) - Impact of cryptography on public infrastructure

(02:07:40) - Role of tribalism in AI

Samo Burja and Erik Torenberg dive deep into the concept of a 'live player', and compare and contrast three prominent live players: Peter Thiel, Sam Altman, and Elon Musk—discussing their impacts, motivations, and differing views on societal change.

This episode is a feed drop of our newest show at Turpentine, Live Players, where Erik and Samo analyze more of the mindsets of today’s most intriguing business leaders, investors, and innovators through the lens of their bold actions and contrarian worldviews. You’ll come away with a deeper understanding of the development of technology, business, political power, culture and more. Listen and subscribe everywhere you get your podcasts: https://link.chtbl.com/liveplayers.

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VANTA: https://www.vanta.com/zen for $1000 off

Are you building a business? If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta. Achieving compliance can actually unlock major growth for your company and build customer loyalty. Vanta automates up to 90% of Compliance work, getting you audit-ready in weeks instead of months and saving 85% of associated costs. Moment of Zen listeners get $1000 off at: https://www.vanta.com/zen

MASTERCLASS: https://masterclass.com/zen get two memberships for the price of 1

Learn from the best to become your best. Learn how to negotiate a raise with Chris Voss or manage your relationships with Esther Perel. Boost your confidence and find practical takeaways you can apply to your life and at work. If you own a business or are a team leader, use MasterClass to empower and create future-ready employees and leaders. Moment of Zen listeners will get two memberships for the price of one at https://masterclass.com/zen

NETSUITE: http://netsuite.com/zen

NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and download your own customized KPI checklist.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Introduction

(00:57) The Role of Conventions in Society

(02:08) The Rarity of 'Live Players' and Their Impact

(04:38) The Importance of Historical Knowledge

(09:29) Reflections on Energy Transition

(14:22) Discussion on Sam Altman and OpenAI

(21:31) Comparing Live Players: Sam Altman, Elon Musk, and Peter Thiel

(21:54) Sponsors: Shopify, Vanta

(24:24) Comparing Live Players Cont.

(30:12) The Importance of Live Players in Innovation and Change

(34:47) Sponsors: MasterClass, NetSuite

(38:28) The Evolution of Live Players Over Time

(42:55) The Transition from Capitalism to Philanthropy

(51:06) The Paradox of Open Society Advocates

Beff Jezos, the anonymous co-founder of the e/acc movement (effective accelerationism) had his identity revealed on Friday night by Forbes reporters. He gives the inside story to Antonio Garcia Martinez, Erik Torenberg, Dan Romero, his e/acc cofounder bayeslord, and The Cognitive Revolution podcast host Nathan Labenz. They discuss anonymity, the media, and the role of journalism in our society. Sell and grow with Shopify: Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: Live Players With Samo Burja

Join host Samo Burja and Erik Torenberg as they analyze the mindsets of today’s most intriguing business leaders, investors, and innovators through the lens of their bold actions and contrarian worldviews. Think: Elon, Sam Altman, Peter Thiel, George Soros and more. You’ll come away with a deeper understanding of the development of technology, business, political power, culture and more. LIsten and subscribe everywhere you get your podcasts: https://link.chtbl.com/liveplayers

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LINKS:

Forbes article: https://www.forbes.com/sites/emilybaker-white/2023/12/01/who-is-basedbeffjezos-the-leader-of-effective-accelerationism-eacc/?sh=5b172e3a7a13

PirateWires article: https://www.piratewires.com/p/thot-police-forbes-has-doxed-beff

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(01:45) Binance

(07:25) Antonio joins

(10:05) Beff is face doxxed

(11:45) The inside story

(13:55) Sponsor: Shopify

(15:50) How did Beff's identity get revealed by these reporters?

(22:55) Why should journalists get to decide who gets to be anon?

(26:35) Beff's academic background in quantum computing

(28:55) Why Beff started the anon account

(31:15) Sponsor: Vanta, MasterClass

(33:40) How Beff bootstrapped his anon account

(38:55) What's next for e/acc

(44:05) Overcentralization of AI

(46:25) Where the alpha is

(56:25) Decels and the rebellion

(01:02:45) Why is big tech so bad & 2024 elections

(01:04:55) AI Leaderboards

(01:07:45) Crypto and AI crossover

(01:12:25) Decentralizing the AI supply chain

(01:18:25) Hardware & Extropic technology

(01:23:25) Utility of e/acc

(01:28:55) What is the e/acc gospel

(01:40:20) What is the near term for AI?

Erik Torenberg and Antonio Garcia Martinez sit down with political strategist + former chief adviser to Boris Johnson's right hand Dominic Cummings who is known for architecting Brexit. They discuss whether Brexit actually saved Britain from the far right, the San Francisco homelessness complex, the 2024 election, educational polarization, & more. Sell and grow with Shopify: Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen

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SHOPIFY: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial period

Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen

VANTA:

Are you building a business? If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta. Achieving compliance can actually unlock major growth for your company and build customer loyalty. Vanta automates up to 90% of Compliance work, getting you audit-ready in weeks instead of months and saving 85% of associated costs. Moment of Zen listeners get $1000 off at: https://www.vanta.com/zen

MASTERCLASS: https://masterclass.com/zen get two memberships for the price of 1

Learn from the best to become your best. Learn how to negotiate a raise with Chris Voss or manage your relationships with Esther Perel. Boost your confidence and find practical takeaways you can apply to your life and at work. If you own a business or are a team leader, use MasterClass to empower and create future-ready employees and leaders. Moment of Zen listeners will get two memberships for the price of one at https://masterclass.com/zen

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: LIVE PLAYERS

Join host Samo Burja and Erik Torenberg as they analyze the mindsets of today’s most intriguing business leaders, investors, and innovators through the lens of their bold actions and contrarian worldviews. You’ll come away with a deeper understanding of the development of technology, business, political power, culture and more. LIsten and subscribe everywhere you get your podcasts: https://link.chtbl.com/liveplayers.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(01:19) Introduction

(04:57) Inspiration for Brexit

(13:00) Extreme parties in US vs UK 

(15:46) SPONSOR: VANTA

(16:41) Francis Fukuyama’ and Walter Kaufmann on liberalism

(22:05) European wokeness explosion

(26:48) The fix SF movement

(31:08) SPONSOR: VANTA

(32:46) SF homeless industrial complex

(34:05) Techies in politics

(38:29) Elon and Israel

(40:56) SPONSOR: MASTERCLASS

(41:49) Israel’s PR will never win in the west

(52:42) New elitism

(59:15) Appealing in the 2024 election

(01:10:24) Abortion laws

(01:00:13) British royals

(01:24:26) Educational and political polarization

(01:35:02) A reformed republican Party

(01:39:41) Can we fix SF?

Dan Romero and Erik Torenberg discuss their takes on why liberals become conservatives, diversity in tech, and debrief the OpenAI debacle that happened this past week.

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MASTERCLASS: https://masterclass.com/zen get two memberships for the price of 1

Learn from the best to become your best. Learn how to negotiate a raise with Chris Voss or manage your relationships with Esther Perel. Boost your confidence and find practical takeaways you can apply to your life and at work. If you own a business or are a team leader, use MasterClass to empower and create future-ready employees and leaders. Moment of Zen listeners will get two memberships for the price of one at https://masterclass.com/zen

NETSUITE: http://netsuite.com/zen

NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and download your own customized KPI checklist.

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: 

Every week investor and writer of the popular newsletter The Diff, Byrne Hobart, and co-host Erik Torenberg discuss today’s major inflection points in technology, business, and markets – and help listeners build a diversified portfolio of trends and ideas for the future. Subscribe to “The Riff” with Byrne Hobart and Erik Torenberg: https://link.chtbl.com/theriff

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: LIVE PLAYERS

Join host Samo Burja and Erik Torenberg as they analyze the mindsets of today’s most intriguing business leaders, investors, and innovators through the lens of their bold actions and contrarian worldviews. You’ll come away with a deeper understanding of the development of technology, business, political power, culture and more. LIsten and subscribe everywhere you get your podcasts: https://link.chtbl.com/liveplayers.

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TIMESTAMPS: h/t @zohaibaallii on YouTube

(00:43) New Argentinian president and rise of global populism

(06:21) The appeal of populist leaders to the working class

(15:07) Policy differences between Biden and Trump administrations

(24:11) Does Trump poses a threat to democracy?

(30:55) Is the political right or left has been more authoritarian?

(36:53) Corporate "norms" under Biden vs Trump

(43:45) Predictions on 2024 presidential election

(50:33) Recap of the OpenAI / Sam Altman saga

(01:00:00) The "feminine" nature of the OpenAI situation

(01:10:30) On diversity and inclusion

(01:22:20) On inequality between groups in society

(01:25:20) Aspirations vs. reality of equality

Dan Romero, Antonio Garcia Martinez and Erik Torenberg discuss their takes on Sam Altman's ouster from OpenAI, his legacy, and his comparative significance vis-à-vis figures like Jack Dorsey and Elon Musk.

This is a developing story. This podcast was recorded on Sunday Nov 19th at 12pm PST.

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

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MASTERCLASS: https://masterclass.com/zen get two memberships for the price of 1

Learn from the best to become your best. Learn how to negotiate a raise with Chris Voss or manage your relationships with Esther Perel. Boost your confidence and find practical takeaways you can apply to your life and at work. If you own a business or are a team leader, use MasterClass to empower and create future-ready employees and leaders. Moment of Zen listeners will get two memberships for the price of one at https://masterclass.com/zen

NETSUITE: http://netsuite.com/zen

NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and download your own customized KPI checklist.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(00:14) Napoleon and the power of memes

(02:05) The Intricacies of Coups in Latin America

(02:59) The Role of Microsoft in OpenAI

(03:33) Analyzing Sam Altman's Influence in Silicon Valley

(05:12) The Potential Fallout from OpenAI Controversy

(05:51) The Battle of EA vs e/acc 

(05:59) Sam Altman's Impact on Silicon Valley

(07:42) The Future of OpenAI

(08:38) The Legal Complexities of OpenAI's Structure

(12:26) The Influence of Elon Musk and Microsoft on OpenAI

(15:20) Sponsor: Shopify

(16:44) The Future of AI and OpenAI

(33:55) The Role of Energy in Computing

(34:30) Sponsors: MasterClass | NetSuite

(36:00) The Game of Capital and Access to Compute

(38:12) Predicting the Future of OpenAI

(40:30) The Betting Odds on Sam Altman's Future

(43:00) The Challenges of Leading OpenAI

(48:50) Discussing Sam Altman's Background and Achievements

Dan Romero and Erik Torenberg discuss whether San Francisco can be exited or reformed, how to impact local politics, and what it would take to get talented, innovative people to live in the same city. Wherever and whatever you’re selling, get Shopify for $1/month trial period using code https://shopify.com/momentofzen

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SHOPIFY: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial period

Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen

MASTERCLASS: https://masterclass.com/zen to get two memberships for the price of one.

Learn from the best to become your best. Learn how to negotiate a raise with Chris Voss or manage your relationships with Esther Perel. Boost your confidence and find practical takeaways you can apply to your life and at work. If you own a business or are a team leader, use MasterClass to empower and create future-ready employees and leaders. Moment of Zen listeners will get two memberships for the price of one at https://masterclass.com/zen

NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and download your own customized KPI checklist.

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: 

Every week investor and writer of the popular newsletter The Diff, Byrne Hobart, and co-host Erik Torenberg discuss today’s major inflection points in technology, business, and markets – and help listeners build a diversified portfolio of trends and ideas for the future. Subscribe to “The Riff” with Byrne Hobart and Erik Torenberg: https://link.chtbl.com/theriff

RECOMMENDED PODCAST: LIVE PLAYERS

Join host Samo Burja and Erik Torenberg as they analyze the mindsets of today’s most intriguing business leaders, investors, and innovators through the lens of their bold actions and contrarian worldviews. You’ll come away with a deeper understanding of the development of technology, business, political power, culture and more. LIsten and subscribe everywhere you get your podcasts: https://link.chtbl.com/liveplayers.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(00:02:23) SF is back 

(00:05:08) SF can be cleaned up pretty fast

(00:08:47) Who runs for office?

(00:16:07) Sponsor: Shopify

(00:17:43) You can buy a city

(00:25:11) Elites don’t move

(00:28:57) Analyzing the success of charter city state movements

(00:34:34) Sponsor: MasterClass | NetSuite

(00:36:13): Can we get people to move to SF and change the city?

(00:44:30) Tech is politically absent at the local level

(00:50:45) Talent wants to agglomerate

(00:57:00) Educational challenges

Dan Romero, Antonio Garcia Martinez and Erik Torenberg discuss the US reaction to the Israel-Hamas War. If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta for $1000 off: https://www.vanta.com/zen

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

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SHOPIFY: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial period

Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen

VANTA: https://www.vanta.com/zen

Are you building a business? If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta. Achieving compliance can actually unlock major growth for your company and build customer loyalty. Vanta automates up to 90% of Compliance work, getting you audit-ready in weeks instead of months and saving 85% of associated costs. Moment of Zen listeners get $1000 off at: https://www.vanta.com/zen

MASTERCLASS: https://masterclass.com/zen get two memberships for the price of 1

Learn from the best to become your best. Learn how to negotiate a raise with Chris Voss or manage your relationships with Esther Perel. Boost your confidence and find practical takeaways you can apply to your life and at work. If you own a business or are a team leader, use MasterClass to empower and create future-ready employees and leaders. Moment of Zen listeners will get two memberships for the price of one at https://masterclass.com/zen

NETSUITE: http://netsuite.com/zen

NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and download your own customized KPI checklist.

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TIMESTAMPS :

(00:00) Episode Preview

(00:05) What would be different if Trump were in office?

(09:10) Information and misinformation sources from the war

(12:36) Sponsor: Shopify | Vanta

(17:30) Apple’s Slack rebellion

(19:26) Paul Graham

(20:56) Trusting reported deaths

(24:22) Does Israel even care about the West?

(32:57) Sponsor: Masterclass | NetSuite

(37:15) Living in the society of spectacle

(39:15) Showy narcissism

(38:50) The psychoanalysis of narcissism

(42:00) The irredentist philosophy

(43:39) The underlying sentiment that Israel shouldn't exist

(45:40) There is no international community

(49:40) Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity

(52:20) US support for Israel 15 years from now

(55:00) Will Hamas be eliminated?

(58:00) It seems like Israel's got it all worked out

(01:01:00) Just ban TikTok

Dan Romero and Erik Torenberg are joined by Packy McCormick of Not Boring and Julia DeWahl (founder of Antares, ex-SpaceX) to talk about the past, present, and future of nuclear energy. Packy and Julia co-host a new narrative series called Age of Miracles ( If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta for $1000 off: https://www.vanta.com/zen

SUBSCRIBE TO AGE OF MIRACLES: Podcasts: https://link.chtbl.com/ageofmiracles | YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@age-of-miracles

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

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SHOPIFY: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial period

Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen

Are you building a business? If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta. Achieving compliance can actually unlock major growth for your company and build customer loyalty. Vanta automates up to 90% of Compliance work, getting you audit-ready in weeks instead of months and saving 85% of associated costs. Moment of Zen listeners get $1000 off at: https://www.vanta.com/zen

NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and download your own customized KPI checklist.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(01:46) Why the interest in nuclear energy?

(05:45) Why does energy matter?

(09:10) Greta Thunberg and environmentalism as religion replacement

(12:08) Why France got it right in the 70s

(14:48) Sponsors: Vanta and NetSuite

(17:04) Myth-busting: nuclear waste and disasters

(22:33) Why has the anti-nuclear movement been so potent?

(26:46) Breaking down the incentives at play in regulation and the free market

(39:00) How do you change the perception and safety? 

(47:50) The opportunities to build in the nuclear space

(56:50) Applying Elon’s frameworks to building in the nuclear space

(01:00:45) Safety culture and accountability

(01:08:20) Opportunity for SMR companies from Microsoft and congress

(01:10:20) Are we overestimating nuclear’s impact versus other energy sources?

(01:16:05) Capital markets and idea maze problem

(01:23:00) How to get involved in opportunities in nuclear if you have no background

Antonio Garcia Martinez, reporting live from Israel, joins Dan Romero and Erik Torenberg to share his firsthand perspective on the ground, discussing the unfolding events, and potential outcomes for Israel and Gaza. If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta for $1000 off: https://www.vanta.com/zen

Discussion recorded on October 22, 2023. 

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

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SHOPIFY: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial period

Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen

Are you building a business? If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta. Achieving compliance can actually unlock major growth for your company and build customer loyalty. Vanta automates up to 90% of Compliance work, getting you audit-ready in weeks instead of months and saving 85% of associated costs. Moment of Zen listeners get $1000 off at: https://www.vanta.com/zen

NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and download your own customized KPI checklist.

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NEW SHOW FROM TURPENTINE:

The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors.

Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord.

https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(01:40) Antonio’s describes traveling to the south of israel

(06:10) How Israel is unifying and mobilizing

(09:05) Hostage situation sentiments

(12:14) Sponsors: Vanta | NetSuite

(19:05) Antonio’s predictions

(28:00) What happens next in Gaza

(36:00) What’s happening in the North with Hezbollah?

(37:30) How the Israeli secular left do not understand the Western left’s reaction

(40:30) The biblical echoes of the double standards placed on Israel

(46:05) Intra-Israel civil war

(52:40) Can there be a happy ending here?

Dan Romero and Erik Torenberg discuss the history of Israel, Gaza, and Iran and what happens next in this war on the ground. They also discuss the schism in the public discourse and the downstream political implications in the US. If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta for $1000 off: https://www.vanta.com/zen

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

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SHOPIFY: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial period

Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen

Are you building a business? If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta. Achieving compliance can actually unlock major growth for your company and build customer loyalty. Vanta automates up to 90% of Compliance work, getting you audit-ready in weeks instead of months and saving 85% of associated costs. Moment of Zen listeners get $1000 off at: https://www.vanta.com/zen

NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and download your own customized KPI checklist.

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SELECT LINKS:

-Wikipedia : List of Jewish Nobel Laureates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates

- Book: Rise and Kill First https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rise_and_Kill_First

- Iranian Agent - Robert Malley Spy Ring story https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/iran-spy-ring-robert-malley-lee-smith

& Washington Post article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/09/06/rob-malley-iran-security-clearance-investigation/

-Econ 102 episode where Noah Smith discusses the War in Israel and economic causes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW1coCYfapA

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(03:50) Israel, Gaza and Mood affiliation

(07:55) The New York Times front page

(13:00) The schism in the current thing

(15:30) Moral equivalence in this conflict

(19:00) Inconsistencies on the far left

(23:00) History of the conflict and borders

(25:00) Thanks to our sponsors: Vanta, NetSuite

(27:00) Why are Jews so successful and disliked?

(36:00) Argumentative Jews

(40:00) Going deeper into the historical roots

(45:45) Understanding Israel, Iran, and neighbors' nuclear programs

(57:10) Would Palestinian economic prosperity solve this conflict?

(01:06:00) Biggest concerns

(01:10:00) Israel's next move

(01:15:45) Pendulum swing back to Trump?

Dan Romero, Erik Torenberg and Antonio Garcia Martinez are joined by journalist Jacob Siegel to discuss disinformation, the evolving narrative between tech and political power, and geopolitics. This episode was recorded on October 1st, before Hamas' attack on Israel. If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta for $1000 off: https://www.vanta.com/zen

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(01:48) Jacob on Balaji’s Gray - Red - Blue tribe framework

(03:38) How to make the Gray tribe inspiring

(06:30) E/acc and tech with grandeur

(08:27) Abundance agenda vs administrative state

(14:20) Bernie Sanders

(15:55) Sponsors: Vanta | NetSuite

(18:10) Elon Musk relationship with Obama-era Whitehouse

(22:28) Private markets vs Government subsidized innovation

(24:00) Ideal balance between protectionist policies and free markets

(29:45) Jacob on Israel over-leveraging its tech sector

(36:00) Tracing the narrative of tech and democratic political power

(42:30) Hybrid warfare since 2014

(46:20) Antonio joins the conversation

(51:00) Gamergate as a pivotal event

(01:03:00) Plato’s cave reflections of American domestic political neurosis

(01:08:40) Ukraine, Russia, and Biden’s strategic logic

(01:18:30) Can there be a happy ending in Israel?

(01:24:00) The threat of Iran

(01:34:30) US should end the Israeli Subsidy

(01:45:00)The fight over the soul of the nation

(01:51:00) Predicting the future of Israel in 30-40 years

Dan Romero and Erik Torenberg talk about the ongoing border crisis, the history of immigration to the US, and the case for and against immigration. If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta for $1000 off: https://www.vanta.com/zen

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: LIVE PLAYERS

Join host Samo Burja and Erik Torenberg as they analyze the mindsets of today’s most intriguing business leaders, investors, and innovators through the lens of their bold actions and contrarian worldviews. You’ll come away with a deeper understanding of the development of technology, business, political power, culture and more. LIsten and subscribe everywhere you get your podcasts: https://link.chtbl.com/liveplayers.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(01:31) The American dream

(05:37) Why does Elon Musk care about what's happening at the border?

(10:44) The history of immigration in the US

(13:30) H1-B visas and temporary protected status

(18:04) Sponsors: Vanta | NetSuite

(19:37) Immigration under Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump

(20:02) Sponsors: Vanta & Netsuite

(24:51) No place for nuance

(28:21) Asylum seeking

(31:38) Current state: complete failure

(37:15) Arguments for and against immigration

(45:04) Polling on immigration issue

(49:01) Basic rule of law

(56:18) Fringe theory: the great replacement theory

(59:21) Dan’s proposal: voter ID

(01:03:13) Does a country have a right to determine its demographics?

(01:12:02) Do immigrants assimilate?

(01:21:39) Pro-immigration but anti gentrification

(01:25:11) Is it feasible for Balaji's gray tribe to take back San Francisco?

(01:33:20) Dan’s optimistic take on a potential deal

(01:35:31) Immigration and innovation

Dan Romero and Erik Torenberg talk about their intellectual evolution, why San Francisco is back, and the ideas finding new momentum because of the thorny politics in tech the last few years. If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta for $1000 off: https://www.vanta.com/zen

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NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and download your own customized KPI checklist.

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SELECT LINKS:

• Dan’s reference: the most interesting new city project in San Francisco: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/25/business/land-purchases-solano-county.html
• James Portnoy, Founder of Barstool, going on the offensive against a Washington Post reporter writing a hit piece: https://deadline.com/2023/09/barstool-sports-owner-dave-portnoy-confronts-washington-post-reporter-1235554436/
• Most important blog: Scott Alexander’s https://slatestarcodex.com/ which is now Astral Codex Ten https://www.astralcodexten.com/
• Curtis Yarvin: https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/, https://graymirror.substack.com/

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(05:00) Why San Francisco’s Network Effects, like Twitter, is futile to leave (Network Effects are a bitch)

(13:40) Tech reclaiming a political voice

(15:30) Sponsors: Vanta | NetSuite

(17:40) Media losing ground after taking too many shots during the last administration

(20:35) Mood affiliation & social justice policies in tech companies

(23:05) In this economy?

(30:41) Balaji Srinivasan

(34:25)The Borg

(39:10) Social Supply Chain

(40:21) Curtis Yarvin

(59:40) Bring your whole self to work

(01:03:00) The clear pill: winning by losing

(01:10:00) Good ideas, bad UI

(01:16:35) Newspapers are a mood affiliation business

(01:19:24) Right and Left wing, who loses in the long arc of history?

(01:26:30) Dan’s thinking around the next successful candidate

(01:33:05) Threshold for changing your thinking

Dan Romero, Antonio Garcia Martinez, and Erik Torenberg sit down with Professor Walter Russel Mead, an American academic, author, WSJ- and Tablet-contributor, and podcast host to discuss the shape of the next era after our information age.

Moment of Zen is part of Turpentine podcast network. Learn more: www.turpentine.co

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

TIMESTAMPS:

(01:00) Episode Preview

(03:30) What is the American Crisis right now?

(08:00) New social model for the information age

(11:24) Sponsors: Vanta | NetSuite

(16:30) A(brahamic) bomb and revolutionary change in human society

(22:40) Has religion peaked or is the world getting more religious?

(28:00) Who believes in happy endings?

(30:30) Israel vs. American Jews

(33:00) Israeli-Palestinian conflict still matters, just not to Israelis in power

(36:40) Characterizing American foreign policy

(45:00) Nation states vs Network States h/t Balaji

(54:20) Defining the next era of Post Liberalism

(1:01:00) Populists, Plutocrats, Technocrats, and the Intelligentsia

(1:11:00) Israel’s future and what’s at stake

(1:24:00) Could California be Republican again?

(1:30:00) Golda Meir and female power

(1:33:50) Arafat and a jasmine-scented night in Gaza

LINKS:

-What Really Matters podcast: https://www.tabletmag.com/podcasts/what-really-matters

-Walter Russell Mead, The A(braham) Bomb: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/abraham-bomb-via-meadia-walter-russell-mead

-Antonio Garcia Martinez, Among the Protestors: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/among-the-protesters-antonio-garcia-martinez

-Go back and listen to our Moment of Zen episodes with Tablet’s Editor in Chief Alana Newhouse (E29), Nadia Asparouhova (E26) and Liel Leibovitz (E23)

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Balaji Srinivasan returns to go deeper into his theory of the Social Lens. Balaji, Erik, and Dan discuss the tactics the Gray tribe can use to create, identify, grow, and scale their power, how the tribal lens maps to geopolitics, the Blue playbook through the last several decades of world history, and more. We're proudly sponsored by Vanta. Get $1000 off Vanta with https://www.vanta.com/zen

Note: This is an unfiltered discussion that functions as an early draft for an essay and video Balaji plans to release soon.

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) - Episode Preview

(02:20) - You can found a tribe just like you can found a startup

(10:30) - Exit vs Reform

(16:42) - Sponsors: Vanta, NetSuite

(19:05) - Any statement can be problematized

(29:00) - Can you presume societal stability? Not if you’re thinking like a CEO

(34:00) - Strength of network effects

(52:20) - Inequality has decreased

(55:15) - Japanese vs Chinese economic model for innovation

(01:07:45) - Asia is rising, the US is in relative decline

(01:30:15) - How Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, and Garry Tan respond to Blue or reform it from within

(01:38:00) - The Market for Revolutionaries: Myanmar, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Hong Kong and China

(01:48:00) - Blue is a business model

(01:57:00) - Charity is dependency. Investment is independence.

(02:06:00) - Who defines democracy, and where is the term going?

(02:27:00) - Grays attract the smartest defectors

(02:36:30) - How the Gray territory gets built on land

(02:49:49) - What is the highest belief and ideology of each tribe?

(02:56:00) - Parallels with the Soviet Union and India

(03:15:00) - Mapping the advantages to Blue and Gray

(03:28:50) - How Gray beats Blue for control of cities

(03:33:00) - Gray pride parade

(03:40:00) - Winning the police

(03:50:00) - How the Grays in San Francisco will organize themselves

(03:55:30 - The power of Elon renaming Twitter

(03:57:00) - Small business owners and the working class

(04:00:00) - The CHAZ (Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone) in reverse

(04:17:00) - AI will help expedite the Gray cause

(04:20:00) - Can this really happen?

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Are you building a business? If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta. Achieving compliance can actually unlock major growth for your company and build customer loyalty. Vanta automates up to 90% of Compliance work, getting you audit-ready in weeks instead of months and saving 85% of associated costs. Moment of Zen listeners get $1000 off at https://www.vanta.com/zen

NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/ZEN and download your own customized KPI checklist.

Balaji Srinivasan joins Erik Torenberg and Dan Romero on the Moment of Zen podcast to share his new theory of the Tribal Lens, why cognitive territories will gain increasingly more power than land-defined territories, why the US is no longer a beacon in the world, and Balaji strategy to fix San Francisco. Make sure you're subscribed to https://link.chtbl.com/moz to get notified when we release Part 2.

Moment of Zen is part of the Turpentine podcast network. Learn more: www.turpentine.co

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

TOPICS DISCUSSED:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(07:50) Cloud Cartography: If you don't control the cognitive territory. you don't control the lands

(13:30) Sponsors: Vanta, NetSuite

(17:30) Why people don't take the internet seriously?

(22:30) The US is not a nation state

(23:45) A civilization state

(25:17) Why Americans should learn about India's history / India and the US are converging

(30:50) Why a civil war doesn't seem realistic to people now

(38:55) Where else should a talented person move?

(41:35) Asia is the new global center,

(47:10) Internet first, not America first

(01:01:45) Software vs. Hardware

(01:05:45) Elon and the Grey Strategy

(01:16:40) Israel is looking away from the US for partners

(01:19:00) The Tribal lens integrates both domestic and foreign politics

(01:21:00) Will blue always win? 

(01:23:43) Making sense of the China meltdown story

(01:34:55) How to fix San Francisco

(01:50:30) Irrationality is an advantage

(01:57:00) Building gray turf

(02:03:00) Mapping the blues, reds, and grays in San Francisco

(02:05:20) Dan and Erik debrief

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Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen

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NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/ZEN and download your own customized KPI checklist.

On this episode, Erik Torenberg and Dan Romero analyze what Vivek Ramaswamy’s rise in the polls really means, where he goes from here, and we air Erik’s full interview with Vivek from this spring. Vivek discusses his transformation from founder to candidate, his views on Silicon Valley, his concept of meritocracy, depoliticizing corporations, and lays out his policy proposals. We're proudly sponsored by Vanta. Get $1000 off Vanta with https://www.vanta.com/zen

Moment of Zen is part of the Turpentine podcast network. Learn more: www.turpentine.co

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

TOPICS DISCUSSED:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(02:23) What is the excitement about Vivek really about?

(05:00) Why don’t democrats nominate business people?

(06:28) Who is Vivek’s constituency?

(08:18) What happens in a world where Trump doesn’t exist?

(10:20) Immigration stance differences between Trump and Vivek

(14:57) Vivek’s anti woke platform vs DeSantis’ anti woke legislations

(16:50) Vivek as a right wing Elizabeth Warren Civility

(19:15) Is there a way for a republican to be cool?

(22:45) Republicans want an attack dog

(24:00) 2028 and beyond

(29:55) Interview: When Vivek set his sights on running for president

(36:20) Vivek’s presidential platform: Affirmative action, Climate, Fed, Drug crisis

(44:11) Where Vivek overlaps/differs with Silicon Valley: free speech, DEI, SVB

(51:20) How Vivek conceptualizes a meritocracy

(58:00) How to remove politics from corporations

(01:05:32) Silicon Valley should empathize more with the rest of the country?

(01:16:35) Defining “woke”

(01:22:40) What’s it like to run a presidential campaign

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Are you building a business? If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta. Achieving compliance can actually unlock major growth for your company and build customer loyalty. Vanta automates up to 90% of Compliance work, getting you audit-ready in weeks instead of months and saving 85% of associated costs. Moment of Zen listeners get $1000 off at www.vanta.com/zen

NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/ZEN and download your own customized KPI checklist.

Dan Romero and Erik Torenberg discuss what is exciting in Crypto right now, covering friend.tech, Farcaster’s updates, PWAs, superchain 2a, and infrastructure improvements for more use cases. If you’re building a business and need compliance for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA, head to www.vanta.com/zen for $1000 off.

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TOPICS DISCUSSED:

(00:01:36) How Dan is building Farcaster

(00:02:39) Using Ethereum is expensive

(00:04:14) Crypto and climate change

(00:07:49) Dan's take on the buzzy new friend.tech

(00:12:27) Friend.tech's smart use of a PWA + impressive growth

(00:17:11) Coinbase has its own blockchain now

(00:21:47) Are SPACs worse than Crypto's scammy retail stuff

(00:24:21) Chamath and accountability

(00:30:24) How will crypto get to a billion users?

(00:39:11) The case for Farcaster and the future of social media

(00:52:25) How much value can be captured by subscaled social networks?

(00:56:51) Why we'll see startups move away from venture-backed business models

(00:59:26) Most successful media company of the past decade

(01:03:59) Crypto's regulations are a gray cloud over financial innovation

(01:08:08) Opportunities to expand upside for people, from businesses to UBI

(01:09:12) Crypto is not politicized

(01:14:40) Genetics and IQ

(01:24:04) The Sam Harris + Ezra Klein Charles Murray debate

(01:32:48) Why this is the next major culture war issue

RELATED EPISODES:

Upstream w/ Erik Torenberg ft/ Sam Harris

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0DeR2VZOjpnE9pQ9b3Om9S?si=u662cEDUTt6D27D09Jnk0w

Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/e10-sam-harris-on-populism-polarization-and-his-beef/id1678893467?i=1000614749192

Upstream with Erik Torenberg ft/ Ezra Klein

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/36vTPPcpisMVXSgq9bnj1w?si=WEysQWc4RouTxd1hzNl1iw

Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/e3-ezra-klein-on-supply-side-progressivism-polarization/id1678893467?i=1000607892890

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Mike Solana joins Erik Torenberg, Dan Romero, and Antonio Garcia Martinez to track the rise and ‘vibe shift’ away from the woke industrial complex, from social media algorithms and anon accounts, to media disruptions like Substack and Gawker. They discuss Peter Thiel's economic, political, and religious ideas and discuss his legacy. They also debate if the left really has lost control of culture or whether we’re just more siloed in 2023, and which GOP candidates draw on upstream intellectual ideas. We're proudly sponsored by Vanta. Get $1000 off Vanta with https://www.vanta.com/zen

Moment of Zen is part of the Turpentine podcast network. Learn more: www.turpentine.co

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(05:25) Behind the scenes of Mike’s Peter Thiel interview

(13:00) Mike’s hypothesis behind the waves of woke culture dominance since 1995 until today

(15:36) Sponsors: Vanta, NetSuite

(17:41) What explains the vibe shift away from identity politics today, if it is actually in decline.

(25:51) Substack materially changed the discourse, i.e. Richard Hanania

(29:32) The Feminist Critique of Snow White discourse on TikTok

(31:50) Anon accounts

(33:37) Has culture changed or are we just more siloed?

(36:00) Hunter Biden discredits mainstream culture on the left and the right

(39:27) The rise and (maybe?) fall of DEI in tech

(41:47) Thiel's stance on economics, science and technology, politics, and faith

(45:33) Is Thiel's religious argument based on a misread of the bible?

(52:43) Do the neo-Nietzscheans actually have a constituency?

(55:18) Which GOP nominees, if any, are influenced by intellectual movements?

(1:01:31) How do intellectual ideas actually drive political power in the US?

(1:03:31) What do people want in a political candidate

(1:05:13) Autoerotic self-pardoning

(1:08:00) Is Thiel backing away from the anti-woke cause

(1:14:35) World War meme

(1:15:30) Thiel's legacy

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Antonio Garcia Martinez is back from his travels, and joins Dan Romero and Erik Torenberg to dive into his current theory of ‘The End of History’. They also discuss the cancellation of intellectual figures like Richard Hanania, contrast the political situation in Israel with political polarization in the states, and discuss liberalism vs. religion. Towards the end, they talk about social media, crypto, Elon vs Zuck, and Sam Bankman-Fried. We're proudly sponsored by Vanta. Get $1000 off Vanta with https://www.vanta.com/zen

Moment of Zen is part of the Turpentine podcast network. Learn more: www.turpentine.co

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(02:13) Elon Musk vs. Dustin Moskovitz

(05:00) Decarceration in SF

(07:53) What problems should we focus on for the biggest impact?

(12:05) Waiting for Antonio and reflecting on his conversion

(15:30) Moment of Zen: Who’s listening and why? 

(18:00) Behind the scenes at Turpentine network

(19:43) Updates: Spindl and Antonio’s travels to France and Israel

(21:27) Sponsors: Vanta | NetSuite

(26:04) Mapping the left and the right in Israel vs in the US

(34:15) End of history

(37:10) Is Richard Hanania canceled?

(39:50) The new Right

(41:35) Liberalism LARPing

(43:20) LindyMan

(44:50) The movies

(46:40) Why hasn’t there been new religions?

(52:20) Christian vs Jewish narrative

(56:08) Is Modernity a death cult?

(57:10) How do we fix the birth rate?

(01:04:40) Updates: Farcaster and Dan’s take on how we usher in a new era for social media

(01:08:00) Crypto infrastructure companies

(01:13:00) The underrated impact of Apple’s app store 

(01:15:10) What our interest in Elon Musk vs. Mark Zuckerberg at the Coliseum reveals about us

(01:18:10) The story about SBF

(01:20:00) Shkreli season (check out In The Arena)

LINKS:

Bruno Maçães, History Has Begun: https://www.amazon.com.au/History-Has-Begun-Bruno-Macaes/dp/1787383016

Patrick Deneen, Why Liberalism Failed: https://www.amazon.com/Why-Liberalism-Failed-Politics-Culture/dp/0300223447

Dara Horn, People Love Dead Jews: https://www.amazon.com/People-Love-Dead-Jews-Reports/dp/B09CFYVY3F/

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@dwr (Dan)

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Alex Kaplan shot to fame on Twitter last week for his thread on the LK-99 superconductor, and why it has the potential to be the most important physics discovery of our lifetime. Today he joins Dan Romero and Erik Torenberg to dig deeper into the LK-99 saga and its broader implications: why the material is so hard to replicate, the citizen journalist aspect and the democratization of science, condensed matter physics, a call for scientific ambition, and more. We're proudly sponsored by Vanta. Get $1000 off Vanta with https://www.vanta.com/zen

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(01:13) Introduction to Alex Kaplan, and how his superconductor tweet took over the internet

(03:32) Why is the LK-99 compound so difficult to replicate?

(06:52) The breakdown of superconductor properties (diamagnetism vs. superconductivity)

(10:44) How does one even go and invent a new material?

(13:53) Tracing the drama of how Lee, Kim, and Kwon published their papers

(15:06) Sponsor: NetSuite

(16:15) Cont. story of Lee, Kim, and Kwon

(19:25) Andrew and Iris live-tweeting their replication efforts

(22:08) The citizen journalist aspect

(24:21) The democratization of science

(25:41) Condensed matter physics

(29:38) What’s most exciting about the LK-99 discovery

(32:08) Observing the tangible impacts of virality on Twitter

(34:23) The (im)precise process of creating the LK-99 compound

(35:57) What are the implications, if LK-99 is a real superconductor?

(42:06) What if superconductors made more efficient quantum computers?

(44:03) A potential Kardashev scale civilization

(45:23) The most interesting thing about the LK-99 saga for Alex

(46:49) Comparable physics discoveries to the LK-99

(49:18) Alex's request for scientific ambition: where should we be looking?

LINKS:

Alex’s viral X / Twitter Thread: https://twitter.com/alexkaplan0/status/1684044616528453633 

LK-99 Paper (submitted by Kwon): https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.12008 

LK-99 Paper (submitted by Lee and Kim): ​​https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.12037 

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Economist and writer Noah Smith returns to the podcast to talk to Dan Romero and Erik Torenberg about housing, politics, land use, and policing in California and beyond. Moment of Zen is part of the Turpentine podcast network. Learn more at www.turpentine.co or email [email protected]

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(01:07) Antonio is the Dennis Rodman

(01:42) Noah’s new podcast with Turpentine: Econ 102

(02:05) The left and right version of “it’s time to build” i.e. Ezra Klein vs Marc Andreessen

(04:50) California skewed political identities

(07:00) California vs Texas GOP stance on immigration

(09:30) Should Gary Tan strategize from the left or the right, structurally

(11:11) Can the Asian block become a machine in SF? In California?

(12:50) Is LA better run than SF?

(17:40) What’s the best-run city in the US

(20:58) Sponsor: NetSuite

(22:15) Best format for affordable housing in cities

(26:30) California is a class society based on land

(28:40) House-rich progressives in California

(31:00) Prop 13, property tax, and SALT debates

(39:30) The tide of YIMBYism

(51:10) Effective building in Japan

(58:00) YIMBY movement in SF lost because of crime

(59:00) The future of San Francisco

(01:09:00) Policing

(01:16:00) WWII and the atom bomb

(01:22:00) Will patriotism come back?

(01:25:00) Biggest misconception about Japan?

LINKS:

Noah's Substack https://www.noahpinion.blog/

Book Recommendation on Prop 13: Golden Gates https://www.amazon.com/Golden-Gates-Fighting-Housing-America/dp/0525560211

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@dwr (Dan)

@eriktorenberg (Erik)

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Marc Andreessen of Andreessen Horowitz returns to discuss his recent essays on AI, violence, and much more including: San Francisco, mandatory military service, Voegelin, and life extension. We're proudly sponsored by Vanta. Get $1000 off Vanta with https://www.vanta.com/zen

Check out our other interviews with Marc:

Moment of Zen E1: on SBF/FTX, Twitter, and Open AI/Chat GPT

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0smJY3xJXFhVsL0cX2BtVf?si=89cfd3ddc0434eb0

Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/moment-of-zen/id1661672738?i=1000591411124

Moment of Zen E2: on Elon Musk, Nietzsche, and America's Thousand Year Empire

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0qzUqkt0rCIfVsbUw7eZ77?si=1f7eec7bc1954380

Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/moment-of-zen/id1661672738?i=1000591713971

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode preview

(01:26) The evolution of human entertainment from epic poetry to NPC Tiktoks

(06:50) Violence is a choice

(11:00) True democracy mandates military service as a virtue

(20:00) Can San Francisco be fixed?

(31:00) Marc's empirical argument for AI

(34:45) Sponsor: NetSuite

(35:45) Where Sam Harris gets it wrong

(39:37) Eric Voegelin's concept of Immanetizing the EschatonWhat happens to religion after AI?

(52:50) What would Nietzsche say?

(54:00) LLMs are already the subject of a religious war

(01:03:30) What comes after liberalism

(01:11:20) Men’s tailoring and the stripping of masculinity

(01:13:50) Is Twitter’s influence the real world?

(01:17:20) Is Left vs Right the central conflict of our time?

(01:22:28) Life extension

TWITTER:

@pmarca (Marc)

@dwr (Dan)

@antoniogm (Antonio)

@eriktorenberg (Erik)

LINKS:

Marc Andreessen, Fighting https://pmarca.substack.com/p/fighting

Marc Andreessen, Why AI Will Save The World. https://pmarca.substack.com/p/why-ai-will-save-the-world

Eric Voegelin, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Voegelin

Book: Regime Change by Patrick J. Deneen https://www.amazon.com/Regime-Change-Toward-Postliberal-Future/dp/0593086902

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-Are you building a business? If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta. Achieving compliance can actually unlock major growth for your company and build customer loyalty. Vanta automates up to 90% of Compliance work, getting you audit-ready in weeks instead of months and saving 85% of associated costs. Moment of Zen listeners get $1000 off at https://www.vanta.com/zen

-NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.

Writer and technologist Eugene Wei joins Dan, Erik and Antonio to talk about Twitter, Threads, and his views on remote work. We reference Eugene's writing a lot on the podcast and mentioned his recent piece, How to Blow Up a Timeline in last week's MoZ episode with Mike Solana (see links below). Listeners, if you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: netsuite.com/zen

Moment of Zen is part of the Turpentine podcast network. Learn more: turpentine.co

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

LINKS REFERENCED:

Eugene Wei, How to Blow Up a Timeline https://www.eugenewei.com/blog/2023/7/6/how-to-blow-up-a-timeline

American Prometheus https://www.amazon.com/American-Prometheus-Triumph-Tragedy-Oppenheimer/dp/0375726268

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode preview

(01:03) Algorithm switch at Twitter

(07:10) What Eugene would do as Twitter’s CEO

(11:30) Signal to noise ratio in social media

(22:00) Threads

(37:35) Sponsor: NetSuite

(38:50) LinkedIn

(47:00) Improving Twitter: Ranked follower feed, restoring aristocracy, reversing war on Substack

(1:10:00) Incumbents vs upstarts in social media

(01:14:40) Graph portability

(01:20:00) Centralization vs Decentralization of the space

(01:25:00) UI analysis of Twitter vs. Discord vs. Slack vs Threads

(01:30:00) Impact of Slack and minimizing meetings on the workplace

(01:35:00) The downstream costs of remote work

(01:49:30) Why tech is the worst industry to model out the effects of remote work

(01:51:00) Office layout and productivity

TWITTER:

@eugenewei (Eugene)

@dwr (Dan)

@eriktorenberg (Erik)

@antoniogm (Antonio)

@moz_podcast

SPONSOR:

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Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen

NETSUITE: NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.

Fan favorite Mike Solana, Editor in Chief of Pirate Wires, joins Erik, Dan, and Antonio this week to discuss Meta’s Threads, status, and the future of social media. We're proudly sponsored by Vanta. Get $1000 off Vanta with https://www.vanta.com/zen

Moment of Zen is a part of the Turpentine podcast network. To learn more about talent and partnerships: www.turpentine.co

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode preview

(01:20) Threads vs Twitter

(08:30) Who’s using Threads?

(14:40) Threads evolving into something else

(21:13) Threads’ growth

(23:30) Elon and Substack

(29:45) Ads on Twitter/Facebook

(33:45) Fragmentation

(36:05) Journalists

(37:10) Telepath

(38:00) Twitter since 2016

(39:00) What the next election will feel like online

(42:00) Future of social media

(45:00) Whose status was affected

(50:50) Distribution on Twitter vs Threads

(53:22) Politics on social media

(57:45) “Thetaverse”

(01:00:03) What  Elon should do now?

(01:04:34) How Zuckerberg’s image has changed

(01:07:20) Final predictions

LINKS:

Zuckerberg Wages War https://www.piratewires.com/p/pirate-wires-twitters-final-boss (https://www.piratewires.com/p/pirate-wires-twitters-final-boss)

How to Blow Up A Timeline by Eugene Wei https://www.eugenewei.com/blog/2023/7/6/how-to-blow-up-a-timeline (https://www.eugenewei.com/blog/2023/7/6/how-to-blow-up-a-timeline)

TWITTER:

@micsolana (Mike)

@MOZ_Podcast

@eriktorenberg (Erik)

@antoniogm (Antonio)

@dwr (Dan)

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Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen

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NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.

In this episode, Dan Romero and Erik Torenberg discuss the Supreme Court's affirmative action decision, legacies and college athletes, the administrative state, and the right's victory in the courts. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen 

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

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The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord.

https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics

TIMESTAMPS:

(0:00) Affirmative Action ruling

(9:00) Affirmative Action hurts Asians

(15:00) California as a case study

(19:00) Downsides of Affirmative Action

(23:30) Why not class based affirmative action?

(28:00) Let’s get rid of legacies too

(30:00) Why Dan is not a fan of Harvard

(36:00) Gay rights and abortion

(45:00) The right won the courts

(51:30) Chris Caldwell’s “Age of Entitlement”

(56:00) Dismantling the administrative state

(1:05:00) Steelmanning the case for Affirmative Action

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Alana Newhouse, the Editor in Chief of Tablet Magazine, joins Erik and Antonio on this week's episode. Avid listeners will recall that Alana's essays about Brokenism have influenced many heated discussions on Moment of Zen. Here Alana goes deeper into unpacking our present moment, institutionalism vs anti-institutionalism, distrust, Judaism and spirituality, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/UPSTREAM

Moment of Zen is part of the Turpentine podcast network. Learn more: Turpentine.co

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode preview

(04:00) Insitutionalists vs Anti-Institutionalists or Left vs Right?

(07:25) What is the Borg? What are their values?

(13:00) Skepticism of government

(16:30) Sponsor: Secureframe

(21:00) Untangling particular religious impulses, faith vs practice

(30:56) Misinformation

(32:39) Jewish notion of justice vs Christian notion of justice

(37:08) Who is 'The West' now?

(45:00) Divesting from current American institutions

(52:00) Tech and religion

(59:00) How Antonio got upsold on Judaism

(01:01:00) American Jews a decade ago and now

(01:07:00) Americans need to imagine a new world instead of stagnating

(01:15:00) Saudi Arabia's Realignment

(01:22:00) Revisiting the crux of the divide

WEEKEND READING

Brokenism by Alana Newhouse, https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/brokenism-alana-newhouse

Disinformation by Jacob Siegel, https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/guide-understanding-hoax-century-thirteen-ways-looking-disinformation

Us and Them by Liel Liebovitz, https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/zionism-liel-leibovitz

The Moses Option by Antonio Garcia Martinez, https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/community/articles/the-moses-option

Walter Mussell Read, The Arc of a Covenant https://www.amazon.com/Arc-Covenant-United-States-Israel/dp/0375414045

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Katherine Boyle and Mike Solana join Erik, Dan, and Antonio to discuss whether a liberal arts degree is worth it and how to save San Francisco.

Moment of Zen is part of the Turpentine podcast network. To learn more: turpentine.co

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

a16z Podcast: https://future.com/a16z-podcast/

The a16z podcast is a lighthouse for current and future founders, breaking down the most important trends in technology.

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(04:30) Recapping the first Moment of Zen fight

(07:00) Is a Liberal Arts degree worth it?

(010:30) The siren song of The Social Network

(14:00) Finance vs Tech in the 2010s

(15:35) Sponsor: Secureframe

(16:40) 4 out of the 5 people on this episode got a liberal arts degree

(21:00) Are elite schools still worth it? Are middle tier colleges worth it?

(29:00) Are CS degrees necessary?

(31:00) Zero sum: college vs vocational school

(42:00) Mike Solana’s political future in San Francisco

(44:45) How tech failed SF

(46:40) How to talk about drug dealers, drug addicts, and recreational drug use

(51:30) Wealth in SF, geographically

(1:01:00) Housing

(1:0400) Fentanyl will be a key issue in the upcoming election

(1:08:00) Dangerous memes, aspirations, and not accepting market realities

LINKS:

Season of the Witch by David Talbot: https://www.amazon.com/Season-Witch-Enchantment-Terror-Deliverance/dp/1439108242

Base Reality by Mike Solana: https://www.piratewires.com/p/base-reality-an-interview-with-grimes-6b3

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NetSuite (http://netsuite.com/zen)

NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.

Secureframe (https://secureframe.com/)

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Today, we have a special bonus episode: a discussion between Marc Andreessen, the co-founder of Andreessen Horowitz, and Anton Troynikov, founder of AI database company Chroma. We're proudly sponsored by Vanta. Get $1000 off Vanta with https://www.vanta.com/zen.

This conversation originally took place on Twitter Spaces, where Anton and Marc talked about Marc's recent, provocative essay, Why AI Will Save The World. Marc explains why AI will not destroy the world but instead may save it. Towards the end of the discussion, Marc takes questions from a select audience of entrepreneurs and builders in AI. Given how much we've talked about AI and the various doomer debates on Moment of Zen, we felt that this conversation was too good to be missed. We're so thrilled that Marc, Anton, and a16z allowed us to republish it here. Both Marc and Anton have been on Moment of Zen before (see LINKS)

Moment of Zen is part of the Turpentine podcast network. To learn more: www.turpentine.co

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(01:39) Anton asks Marc why he wrote this essay now

(02:30) Recap of AI History over last 80 years

(04:05) Hysteria, paranoia, doomerism

(06:00) Intelligence is the fundamental building block

(09:47) Precautionary principle and nuclear technology debate

(13:52) Recommendation: a16z podcast

(14:43) Sponsor: Secureframe

(16:04) The AI Race

(18:00) China’s national strategic priority

(22:53) Cold War dynamics

(23:20) What should the government do?

(24:00) Analogy Period: 2nd Industrial Revolution

(33:51) AI hype cycle, speculation, investment

(38:38) Problems AI can solve

(50:00) Questions from audience members, including Beff Jezos + Amjad Masad

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NetSuite ( http://netsuite.com/zen )

NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.

Secureframe ( www.secureframe.com )

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Nadia joins Erik, Dan and Antonio to debate the different movements in tech and determine what they should be doing to achieve the impact they want to have. Nadia is a tech researcher (nadia.xyz.) and the author of Working in Public: The Making and Maintenance of Open Source Software. Moment of Zen is part of the Turpentine podcast network. To learn more: Turpentine.co

If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(01:03) New Podcast recommendation: In The Arena

(01:28) Why it’s important to break down the elite camps and their worldviews

(02:51) Elite bracket breakdown

(10:00) Technooptimism, AI, and regulation

(12:08) Davos mindset versus revolutionaries

(13:00) Why doesn’t tech support the arts?

(15:00) Sponsor: Secureframe

(17:00) Tech needs to tell a better story

(21:42) Where does Elon fit into this framework?

(23:13) Institutionalists vs anti-institutionalists (Elon, Sachs, Sam Altman, Thiel, Vijaya) 

(35:00) How does the tech worldview enter politics and public stewardship successfully?

(39:00) Is Twitter an institution?

(42:00) Antonio’s depressing statement

(48:30) How the desire for high status in a digital world has affected local philanthropy

(55:44) Who are the most high status people in the world? High status education?

(01:04:00) Building parallel institutions

(01:08:00) Nadia discusses her article about GitHub

(01:15:00) What do American intellectuals get? Experts? Substackers?

(01:17:00) Idea machines

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NetSuite ( http://netsuite.com/zen )

NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.

Secureframe ( https://secureframe.com/ )

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More shownotes released in our Substack: https://momentofzen.substack.com/

Dan and Erik discuss Apple's upcoming release, VR, the debt deal, nuclear energy and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen 

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

RECOMMENDED PODCAST:

The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord.

https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode preview

(02:11) Apple headset

(12:27) iOS vs Android

(15:57) Sponsor: Secureframe

(16:49) What Clayton Christensen got wrong

(23:50) VR compared to crypto

(29:00) What's the future of VR

(38:55) Reflecting on Facebook's bets on crypto and VR

(52:41) Closed vs open ecosystems

LINKS:

https://patrickcollison.com/pollution

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Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen

-NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen 

NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.

- Secureframe: https://secureframe.com/

Secureframe is the leading all-in-one platform for security and privacy compliance. Get SOC-2 audit ready in weeks, not months. I believe in Secureframe so much that I invested in it, and I recommend it to all my portfolio companies. Sign up for a free demo and mention MOZ during your demo to get 20% off your first year.

Erik and Dan are joined by special guest Mike Solana, Editor-in-Chief of Pirate Wires (https://www.piratewires.com/) to discuss the recent AI congressional hearings, political polarization, Elon’s reign at Twitter, and much more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen 

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

LINKS:

Mike Solana's Interview with Grimes (https://www.piratewires.com/p/base-reality-an-interview-with-grimes-6b3)

Dan's sci-fi book recommendation: Delta-v by Daniel Suarez

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Preview of episode

(01:44) On what Mike Solana would say to Congress about AI

(08:30) Contrasting Zuck, Brian Armstrong, and Sam Altman’s approach to regulation

(15:09) Recommendation: Upstream

(15:35) Sponsor: Secureframe

(16:05) AI doomerism is just marketing for big AI

(26:25) Elon’s wins and losses so far as Twitter CEO

(38:57) Taylor Lorenz Mythology

(41:40) Twitter’s regime change // How the tables have turned. Muahahaha.

(45:00) What we’d do if we were Twitter CEO

(51:00) Evolution of polarization

(59:00) Silver lining of polarization

(1:05:00) Distinguishing Elon’s antics from his philosophy

(1:14:00) Trump feels more familiar in 2023 vs. 2016

(1:18:00) The right is adopting woke tactics

(1:22:00) Social media and depression follow up

(1:24:00) Is half of Gen Z non-straight?

(1:28:00) Ellen Pao

(1:34:30) Is Pirate Wires conservative media? (No)

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-Shopify: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial period

Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen

-NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen

NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.

- Secureframe: https://secureframe.com/

Secureframe is the leading all-in-one platform for security and privacy compliance. Get SOC-2 audit ready in weeks, not months. I believe in Secureframe so much that I invested in it, and I recommend it to all my portfolio companies. Sign up for a free demo and mention MOZ during your demo to get 20% off your first year.

Journalist and author Liel Leibovitz joins Antonio and Erik for a deep discussion that “solves all outstanding Israel issues once and for all.” They discuss what’s going on with Israeli and US politics, Israel’s foundational choice ahead, and why wokeness is not penetrating Israel. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen 

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

Walter Russell Mead, historian, pundit, and author is encyclopedic about politics, culture, and history from immigration to religion, literature to finance. Mead is one of our favorite guests on Moment of Zen. He also has his own show called What Really Matters, a new podcast from Tablet Magazine (whose editor in chief, Alana Newhouse, was also on our show). Every week on What Really Matters, Mead and deputy editor Jeremy Stern analyze the revolutionary changes upending American life and connect them to larger trends. Go to tabletmag.com/podcasts/what-really-matters or subscribe to What Really Matters with Walter Russell Mead on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

LINKS:

Liel’s writings for Tablet: https://www.tabletmag.com/contributors/liel-leibovitz

RECOMMENDED PODCASTS:

Upstream with Erik Torenberg: https://link.chtbl.com/Upstream

Unorthodox from Tablet: https://www.tabletmag.com/tags/unorthodox

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode preview

(03:06) Askhenazi vs Sephardic

(04:14) Universalism vs Particularism

(15:28) Sponsors: Secureframe | MarketerHire

(37:08) Christian vs Jewish notions of Justice

(49:28) Liel’s political evolution

(52:42) Palestinians vs Israelis

(1:00:00) Abraham Accords - Obama vs Trump approach to Israel

(1:07:00) What do the left vs right of Israel believe?

(1:12:00) What does Netanyahu want

(1:16:02) Liel is Long-term bullish, short-term bearish on Israel

(1:19:00) Israel isn’t dependent on U.S. anymore

(1:29:27) What would Liel’s smartest critic say about this conversation

(1:34:52) Future of America / Israel relationship

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@liel (Liel)

@eriktorenberg (Erik)

@antoniogm (Antonio)

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-NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen

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Dan and Erik discuss how Elon got coded right-wing, why liberals are more depressed than conservatives, crime and prisons. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen 

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

LINKS:

Patrick Collison interviews Sam Altman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1egAKCKPKCk

RECOMMENDED PODCAST:

Upstream with Erik Torenberg: https://link.chtbl.com/Upstream

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode preview

(02:48) Twitter’s new CEO and Elon

(9:00) When did Elon become right-wing coded?

(15:00) Contrasting Zuck and Elon

(16:28) Sponsors: Secureframe | MarketerHire

(18:26) Contrasting Elon and Sam Altman

(23:00) Elon’s quest to increase “net truth”

(29:00) AI race / live players

(31:45) Accountability within private vs public sector

(34:00) Facebook bull case

(40:30) Jonathan Haidt’s anti-facebook case

(45:00) Why depression is on the rise

(51:00) Why liberals are more depressed than conservatives

(59:00) Living in America is higher variance

(1:06:00) Different approaches to curbing crime

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- NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen

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- Secureframe: https://secureframe.com/

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Ben Smith is the co-founder of Semafor and author of the forthcoming book Traffic joins Erik Torenberg and Antonio Garcia Martinez for a discussion about the hostility between tech and media, what digital media startups got wrong, analysis of institutions like The New York Times, and what the future of media holds.

Also, check out the debut of Erik's long-form interview podcast Upstream. He most recently interviewed Joe Lonsdale and David Sacks. Subscribe here: https://link.chtbl.com/Upstream

REFERENCES:

Ben's new book: Traffic: Genius, Rivalry, and Delusion in the Billion-Dollar Race to Go Viral

Semafor: https://www.semafor.com/

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(4:00) Ben Smith’s book “Traffic”

(9:00) Buzzfeed’s cultural impact

(11:00) Regrets around the Steele Dossier

(16:00) Sponsors: Secureframe | MarketerHire

(17:30) Objectivity vs subjectivity in journalsim

(21:00) Left wing vs right wing journalism

(26:20) Tech media

(30:00) Cambridge Analytica bullshit

(34:00) Buzzfeed Uber controversy

(37:30) Tech and media fall out

(50:30) The root of tech vs media dissonance

(1:06:00) Free speech

(1:13:00) “The book is a eulogy to a rotting corpse that got what was coming to it”

(1:16:30) Ads vs subscription

(1:21:00) Future of media

TWITTER:

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- MarketerHire: https://marketerhire.com/moz

MarketerHire is one of my favorite resources for growing startups looking to hire marketers. With 1000s of pre-vetted marketers across a dozen roles, whether you need help with growth, marketing, SEO, lifecycle, content, or any other aspect of growth marketing strategy. Over 5,000 companies already use MarketerHire to hire expert marketers on demand, ranging from top venture-backed startups to the most well-known Fortune 500s.

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Thank you Graham Bessellieu for production.

Katherine joins Erik, Antonio, and Dan to discuss the hidden forces that shape founders, major divides in tech, and whether she should join our show as a cohost. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen 

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(5:00) Fatherhood and founders

(10:00) What is “Seriousness”

(13:39) Sponsors: Secureframe | MarketerHire

(16:00) Elon

(20:30) Software and hardware

(26:30) Are founders psychologically off?

(35:00) SpaceX and Starship

(43:00) Where would Steve Jobs be today?

(48:00) Twitter and Substack

(1:07:00) Florida is a COVID phenomenon, not a ZIRP phenomenon

(1:17:00) Can we pressure Katherine join Moment of Zen as the fourth cohost?

(1:18:00) Sending kids to Catholic school

TWITTER:

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@antoniogm

*Please support our sponsors: Beehiiv | Shopify | NetSuite | Secureframe | MarketerHire*

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-Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen

-NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen 

NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.

- Secureframe: https://secureframe.com/

Secureframe is the leading all-in-one platform for security and privacy compliance. Get SOC-2 audit ready in weeks, not months. I believe in Secureframe so much that I invested in it, and I recommend it to all my portfolio companies. Sign up for a free demo and mention MOZ during your demo to get 20% off your first year.

- MarketerHire: https://marketerhire.com/moz

MarketerHire is one of my favorite resources for growing startups looking to hire marketers. With 1000s of pre-vetted marketers across a dozen roles, whether you need help with growth, marketing, SEO, lifecycle, content, or any other aspect of growth marketing strategy. Over 5,000 companies already use MarketerHire to hire expert marketers on demand, ranging from top venture-backed startups to the most well-known Fortune 500s.

Go to marketerhire.com/moz and use code MOZ to get your $1,000 credit for your first hire.

Thank you Graham Bessellieu for production.