Desire is a liberating force

Dr. Ann Kelley and Shadeen Francis, LMFT unpack the intricate nature of desire, extending beyond just the sexual realm. They unpack the challenges in identifying true desires, the role of embodiment in self-awareness, and the key distinction between wanting and liking. Together they discuss intimacy, self-discovery and communication – with an emphasis on the need for negotiation and authentic connection in sexual experiences.

“The simplest of all luxuries is the freedom to pursue your pleasure.” – Shadeen Francis

Time Stamps for Beyond Sex: Understanding Desire

05:15 The challenge of identifying desire
17:58 The nuances of wanting vs. liking
25:01 Desire in sexual contexts
35:07 Negotiating wants in relationships
44:41 The impact of technology on desire
56:30 Desire as a tool for liberation

About our Guest – Shadeen Francis, LMFT, CST

Shadeen Francis is a licensed marriage and family psychotherapist and a board-certified sex therapist. Her expertise spans the domains of mental health, emotional intelligence, and the intersection of sexual wellness and social justice. A sought-after voice in her field, Shadeen has been featured on major networks including ABC, NBC, and CBS, and has been the subject matter expert for prominent brands such as Essence, Bumble, Tinder, and Teen Vogue. Shadeen’s work extends beyond the therapy room, influencing nationally implemented curricula, global media strategies, and public health policies. Known for her signature brand of warmth and humor, Shadeen’s work is inspired by her commitment to helping people live lives full of peace and pleasure.

Resources for Beyond Sex: Understanding Desire

shadeenfrancis.com – Shadeen’s website, resources, and other information

[email protected] – The best way to contact Shadeen

@shadeenfrancis – Shadeen’s Instagram handle

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Sex, gender queerness, and the power of connection …

Dr. Emily Nagoski joins co-host Sue Marriott for a deep and insightful conversation about desire, pleasure, and the impact of societal norms on sexuality. Together they explore the evolving landscape of trans rights and healthcare, emphasizing patient-centered care and the urgent need for societal support. Through her journey as a sex educator, Nagoski advocates for deeper understanding and connection, while also sharing practical approaches to educating young people about gender and sexuality, managing stress, and finding meaning and purpose in life.

“Talking about sex is my absolute favorite thing.” – Dr. Emily Nagoski

Time Stamps for Pleasurable Sex, Gender & Boundaries (259)

01:02 The intersection of sex, boundaries, and burnout
08:04 The importance of pleasure over desire
11:48 Creating a safe and supportive context for pleasure
20:07 Challenging the gender binary
31:50 The evolution of trans rights and healthcare
37:40 Tactical approaches to gender education

About our Guest – Dr. Emily Nagoski

Emily Nagoski is the award-winning author of the New York Times bestselling Come As You  Are and Come Together, as well as The Come As You Are Workbook, and coauthor, with her  sister, Amelia, of New York Times bestseller Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle.  She earned an M.S. in counseling and a Ph.D. in health behavior, both from Indiana University,  with clinical and research training at the Kinsey Institute. Now she combines sex education and  stress education to teach women to live with confidence and joy inside their bodies. She lives in Massachusetts with two dogs, a cat, and a cartoonist.

Resources for Pleasurable Sex, Gender & Boundaries

Click here to access her newsletter

EmilyNagoski.com – Website, resources and other important information 

@ENagoski – Instagram profile

Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle – Book by Dr. Emily Nagoski & Amelia Nagoski

Feminist Survival Project – Her current podcast with co-host Amelia Nagoski

Come As You Are – (Limited Series, 2022) – Podcast

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Exploring Disorganized / Unresolved Attachment with Dr. Krista Jordan

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Dr. Krista Jordan & co-host Sue Marriott LCSW CGP dive into the messy, fascinating world of the 4th attachment category – disorganized attachment. Through intimate personal stories, they describe how it shows up in therapy, relationships, and everyday life. They explore the Adult Attachment Projective (AAP) and Adult Attachment Interview (AAI), unpacking what is sometimes called disorganized, unresolved, dysregulated, dissociated attachment that can ripple through generations.

Learn how dismissive strategies work so well they can stop us from growing, why feedback (and a little distress) is crucial for self-awareness, and how shame and anger are often two sides of the same coin.

Time Stamps 

06:05 Personal experiences with attachment styles and finding our she was “disorganized”
11:59 Exploring dismissive and disorganized strategies
17:58 Therapeutic approaches to unresolved trauma and inner child work
27:08 Dissociation and adaptive strategies in attachment
35:31 The spectrum of unresolved attachment styles
43:09 Shame and anger: A complex relationship
52:42 PACT Therapy: Addressing disorganization in couples

About our Guest – Dr. Krista Jordan

Dr. Krista Jordan, expert on Disorganized Attachment

Dr. Jordan received her PhD in Clinical Psychology from UT Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas in 1996. Her training included children and adults and focused on psychodynamic theory in treatment. She went on to establish a private practice in Austin, Texas in 1998 and has been treating clients through individual and couples therapy for the past 26 years. Dr. Jordan trained with Dr. Stan Tatkin, the originator of the Psychobiological Approach to Couples Therapy from 2008 until 2022 and is a
Certified PACT therapist. Dr. Jordan was also appointed to the Research Faculty at the PACT Institute in 2023 and is the Principle Investigator of the first outcome study being conducted on PACT. She is passionate about treating individuals and couples from an attachment and interpersonal neurobiology approach as well as contributing to research in the field. Throughout her career she has applied these interests in a variety of contexts, including training post-doctoral residents (25 to date!), designing and running outcomes studies for various treatment programs and teaching both high school, undergraduate and graduate students. In 2024 Dr. Jordan became certified to administer the Adult Attachment Projective and continues to train with Dr. Carol George. In her free time Dr. Jordan enjoys hanging out with her husband Russell (of 26 years!) and their two children. She also volunteers with the Blanton Museum and acts as a foster dog mom for Austin Pets Alive.

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Liberation isn’t fixed … it’s fluid

We’re kicking off February with a powerful conversation with the incredible Pam Benson Owens. Alongside co-host Sue Marriott, they explore what it means to live with purpose, navigate systemic challenges, and find liberation in everyday choices. Pam shares her wisdom on the role of self-care in activism, the courage it takes to engage in difficult conversations, and how fear shows up in DEI work. This episode dives deep into the intersection of personal and organizational growth, touching on themes of vulnerability, belonging, and the evolving landscape of diversity and identity. Sue and Pam also tackle honest conversations about race and privilege, the “messy middle” of personal transformation, and why pacing yourself is essential for long-term impact.

“Liberation is a lot of things… sometimes it is my ability not to raise my voice in anger, some days liberation is saying no. Sometimes liberation is the freedom to realize that I don’t always have to make it my mission to have a deep opinion about something. I have really enjoyed that the idea that liberation isn’t fixed, it’s fluid…” – Pam Benson Owens

Time Stamps for The Power of Liberation: Courage, Identity & Growth with Pam Benson Owens (257)

10:03 Engaging with difficult conversations
14:57 The importance of self-care in activism
25:12 The role of fear in DEI work
39:44 Balancing vigilance and connection
50:01 Embracing the messy middle of growth
56:22 Next steps: Pacing and purpose

About our Guest – Pamela Benson Owens 

Pamela Benson Owens is the President and CEO of Edge of Your Seat Consulting, Inc and retired from the CEO of Six Square in September of 2024. For more years than she cares to admit to, Pam has owned Edge of Your Seat Consulting, a unique consulting firm that is dedicated to assisting for-profit, nonprofit, and faith-based entities. The major focus of Edge of Your Seat Consulting, Inc., is to provide methodologies that help manage perceptions and narratives about complex and challenging issues with courage and strategic passion. She is an
advocate and ambassador for healthy organizational cultures and communities. Pam often leverages humor and honest storytelling to create memorable and applicable strategies for sustainable and substantive change. She serves the community in a variety of capacities with the intentional motive of building a stronger and more equitable community. Pam serves on several non-profit boards, is the co-chair of the Black Fund a partnership with Austin Community Foundation, joyfully serves on the faculty of the Center for Nonprofit Excellence at Austin Community College, is often a guest lecturer at institutions of higher learning and thrives on the opportunities her consultancy work paves the way to assist organizations to be stronger by navigating the nuances of organizational culture. She is a proud Texas A&M Aggie where she earned a degree in Journalism and a certification in Diversity Education and completed her graduate work at St. Edwards University with a master’s in Human Services with a concentration in Conflict Resolution/Mediation. Pam has also completed coursework at Austin Presbyterian Theological Seminary, holds a certification in DEI from Cornell, is Hogan and Daring Leadership certified, is a self-professed book nerd and lifelong learner, has a new book called The Lessons of Lists, has an online coffee business with all four members of her family called 4TheCultureCoffee, that directs a percentage of the proceeds back to BIPOC nonprofit organizations in the Central Texas region, and you can hear her weekly on her Podcast, Rooted. She resides in Austin with her spouse, Arlyn, and two exceptionally amazing kids, Preston, and Allyson.

Resources for The Power of Liberation: Courage, Identity & Growth with Pam Benson Owens (257)

PamelaBensonOwens.com – Website, information & resources

The Lessons of Lists – book by Pam Benson Owens

Pamela Benson Owens: Aligning with Influence – ATX Woman article

Find her on Instagram – @pamelabensonowens @edgeofyourseatconsulting & @4theculturecoffee

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Just released!  “The Way of Play” – Book by Dr. Georgie Wisen-Vincent & Dr. Tina Payne Bryson, we recommend you get your copy today!

Could the key to raising resilient, connected kids be as simple as play?

Co-host Sue Marriott, with special guests, Tina Payne Bryson and Georgie Wisen-Vincent, discuss the relational neuroscience behind the powerful role of play in child development and its therapeutic benefits. Play fosters emotional resilience, strengthens parent-child attachment, and supports positive neuroplasticity. They bring in positive neuroplasticity, emotional discomfort and tons of very practical techniques.

Learn how embracing play can nurture emotional growth and empower both children and parents in meaningful ways.

“The oldest evolutionary pathways in the brain are nonverbal. Your actions always speak louder than words when it comes to your child’s mind.” – George Wisen-Vincent

Time Stamps for Playful Parenting: Building Resilience, Connection, and Joy Through Play (256)

03:08 The role of play in child development
08:57 Understanding resistance to play
14:50 The science behind play and attachment
21:12 Overcoming barriers to play
24:07 Practical techniques for parents
39:40 The importance of emotional discomfort
41:35 Over-functioning vs. scaffolding
58:31 Positive neuroplasticity through play

About our Guests

Georgie Wisen-Vincent, LMFT, RPT-S, ECMHS is a nationally recognized play therapy expert and co-author of the new book — THE WAY OF PLAY (Penguin Random House, January 2025). She is the Founder/Director of The Play Strong Institute, a center devoted to the study, research, and practice of play therapy through a neurodevelopment lens, along with Dr. Bryson, the Founder/Executive Director of The Center for Connection, a multidisciplinary clinical practice in Southern California. Georgie is also a child, adolescent, and family psychotherapist and maintains a private practice at The Center for Connection. A graduate professor at Santa Clara University and active researcher in childhood play, attachment science, and mental health, Georgie has been commissioned as a consultant, program designer, and lead trainer for several major organizations and frequently presents to educators, parents, and clinical professionals on play therapy, trauma resilience, and the power of play-driven learning. She completed advanced study in play therapy at the University of Roehampton, London. Georgie gained specialist endorsement in early childhood mental health after completing the UC Davis Napa Infant Mental Health Fellowship. She is currently in the final phase of her doctoral program, a PhD in Infant and Early Child Development, focused on neurodiversity and parent-child attachment relationships. Click here to view her more detailed bio.

You may already know Dr. Tina Payne Bryson from her two New York Times Best Sellers The Whole-Brain Child and No-Drama Discipline. They’re both co-authored with Dan Siegel and have been translated into over fifty languages. She and Siegel also wrote The Yes Brain and The Power of Showing Up, and Dr. Bryson is the author of The Bottom Line for Baby. Her new book, co-authored with Georgie Wisen-Vincent, is The Way of Play. Her books have sold over 3 million copies combined. Tina is also the Founder and Executive Director of The Center for Connection, a multidisciplinary mental health practice in Southern California. She keynotes conferences and conducts workshops for parents, educators, and clinicians all over the world. She also consults with schools, businesses, and other organizations, including the Nike Sport Research Lab (NSRL), where she is Project Director for Mental and Emotional Performance. Dr. Bryson earned her Ph.D. from the University of Southern California, where her research explored attachment science, childrearing theory, and the emerging field of interpersonal neurobiology.  The most important part of her bio, she says, is that she’s a mom to her three boys. You can learn more about her at TinaBryson.com. 

Resources for Playful Parenting: Building Resilience, Connection, and Joy Through Play (256)

PlayStrongInstitute.com – Official website for information and resources

Center for Connection – Official website for information and resources

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Tina’s Amazon shop page – Click here for books, resources and other tools

Click to access Tina Payne Bryson’s Social Channels – Facebook, Instagram, Youtube & Twitter 

Georgie’s Instagram handle – @georgiewisenvincent

TinaBryson.com – Website for information and resources

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How to contact Tina – Email [email protected]

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Hello 2025! Join Matthias Barker in kicking off the year exploring family estrangement, AI in therapy & much more…

“We inherit more than genetics from our families—we inherit patterns, beliefs, and ways of relating. Healing means choosing which ones to keep and which ones to let go of.” – Matthias Barker

Time Stamps for Family Estrangement, Spiritual Harm, & the Ethics of AI in Therapy with Matthias Barker (255)

05:54 Generational perspectives on estrangement
12:10 Understanding emotional dynamics in families
18:12 Spiritual harm and its impact
34:55 The intersection of technology and mental health
45:08 Exploring ethical dilemmas of AI in therapy

About our Guest – Matthias Barker 

Matthias is a psychotherapist recognized for his expertise in making complex mental health concepts accessible, with a special focus on parent-child estrangement. He is the CEO of the Trauma Institute which provides clinical training for psychotherapists and education for the general public on healing from trauma. Matthias is widely recognized for his unique approach to making mental health knowledge and skills accessible to the wider public. His ability to translate complex topics into relatable everyday language has empowered millions to heal from their past, repair relationships, and take control of their mental well-being. Through platforms like Instagram, TikTok, Facebook and his top-ranking Spotify podcast, Matthias delivers psychoeducational content to a following of over 4 million people. His innovative blend of engaging content and relevant mental health advice has fostered a vibrant online community centered on healing, personal growth, and moving towards what’s meaningful despite hardship. Aside from his online presence, Matthias is an accomplished author and educator. He has self-published several short books and interactive mental health journals, offering a distinctive trauma-informed approach to topics like grief, motivation, burnout, and gratitude. In addition, he has built a diverse library of interactive general public workshops on themes such as anxiety, relational intimacy, and healing from trauma, further establishing his commitment to sharing knowledge and resources for both clinicians and the general public.

Resources for Family Estrangement, Spiritual Harm, & the Ethics of AI in Therapy with Matthias Barker (255)

Estrangement.com – Sign up here for The Healing Estrangement

MatthiasJBarker.com – Matthias’ website, with resources and other information

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Farewell 2024, Welcome 2025…

As we close out another year, Ann and Sue take time to reflect on 2024 while sharing some exciting opportunities for the year ahead. The Vitality Series is an exciting new endeavor, where they emphasize creating safe spaces for dialogue, navigating tough emotions, and bringing therapeutic concepts into everyday life. With an honest look at shame, vulnerability, and the challenges of personal growth, they explore how connection can empower both individuals and communities. Along the way, they celebrate the milestones of their podcast, emphasize the importance of self-reflection, and highlight the role of supportive networks in fostering meaningful change.

“Year’s end is neither an end nor a beginning but a going on, with all the wisdom that experience can instill in us.” — Hal Borland

Time Stamps for 2024 Reflections: Growth, Connection & Celebrating Community (254)

00:00 Exciting announcements for 2025
08:00 Reflecting on the past year
32:00 Bridging therapy and everyday life
46:40 The power in mobilizing for change

Resources for 2024 Reflections: Growth, Connection & Celebrating Community (254)

Brewing Vitality Series, Ann & Sue’s NEW Course – Click here to learn more and reserve your spot!!

Psychotherapy Networker Symposium – March 20-23, 2025

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Explore eco-village living, tantra, and death

Lee Warren shares her experience of living in an intentional community and how it opened the door to exploring tantra and the sacredness of death. Alongside co-host Sue Marriott, they explore tantra as a way to connect with the divine within ourselves and others, using tools like breath, sound, and movement to navigate the energy in our bodies. They also discuss death as a sacred process and the importance of preparing for it—both practically and spiritually. Learn how tantra and death preparation share a common goal: helping us embrace the impermanence of life and find joy in the present moment.

“The deep practice of tantra helps consciously engage with the inevitability of death.” – Lee Warren

Time Stamps

00:00 Exploring Eco-Village Living and Intentional Community
08:23 The Mysteries of Tantra: Cultivating pleasure and sensuality
16:36 Embracing the sacredness of death
21:10 Preparing for death: A journey of self-discovery
31:32 Having hard conversations with family
38:57 Exploring the mystical with psychedelics

About Our Guest – Lee Warren, Death & Tantra Educator

Lee Warren, founder of Reclaiming Wisdom, helps people embrace life more fully by preparing for death. She sees life and death as inseparable partners, guiding individuals to transform fear into acceptance and empowerment through heartfelt conversations, mindfulness practices, rituals, and personalized care plans. As a mystic, Lee views death as a sacred portal for the soul, and as an embodiment practitioner, she supports the emotional and practical realities of the dying process. Lee believes that contemplating mortality deepens our connection to life, fostering awe, wonder, and a profound sense of purpose. Lee’s mission is to help others achieve clarity and peace about end-of-life wishes while embracing the sacredness of existence and the mystery of the human journey.

Resources for Embracing the Sacredness of Death 

ReclaimingWisdom.com – Lee Warren’s website & course information

“Tilda Swinton Would Like a Word with Trump about His Mother” – NYTimes Article

“The Doctor Who Helped Me Understand My Mom’s Choice to Die” – NYTime Article

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Transform conflict into connection with ACT

Dr. Diana Hill and co-host Dr. Ann Kelley explore the power of process-based therapy to improve relationships and wellbeing. Through various methods like the 6 principles of ACT, the understanding of values, and the family body analogy, they use their personal and professional experience to discuss ways to help resolve conflict and find deeper connection through secure relating. Learn ways to tap into your most deeply connected self to move forward through life’s challenges and nurture healthy relationships.

“We don’t battle thoughts. We don’t challenge thoughts. We just let thoughts go, and we can act independently from our thoughts.” – Dr. Diana Hill

Time Stamps for ACT

1:06 – What is ACT?

8:52 – Introduction to cognitive diffusion

10:45 – Exploring the transcendent self and family body analogy of ACT

12:09 – The six processes of ACT

20:54 – Utilizing Diana’s daily journal book method

26:53 – Navigating experiential avoidance

33:57 – Moving through acceptance

50:52 – How to learn more about the ACT principles

About our Guest – Dr. Diana Hill

Diana Hill, PhD, is a clinical psychologist, and co-author of ACT Daily Commitment Therapy Journal: Get unstuck and live full with Acceptance. She is also a co-host of the popular podcast, Psychologists Off the Clock which has over 1 million downloads, where she has interviewed leaders in the field of psychology, mindfulness, and wellness including Dr. Daniel Goleman, Dr. Rich Hanson, The Psychology of Radical Healing Collective, Dr. Daniel Siegel, and Dr. David Sinclair. She is a regular teacher for the Mindful Hearts Program and Insight LA. Through her online teachings, executive coaching, clinical supervision, and private therapy practice Diana encourages clients to build psychological flexibility so that they can live more meaningful and fulfilling lives.

Resources for ACT

Dr. Diana Hill – Website & resources

ACT Daily Journal & Card Deck – Dr. Hill’s daily journal book

Psychologists Off the Clock – Dr. Diana Hill’s podcast

The Power of Regret by Daniel Pink – Referenced by Diana Hill when discussing values

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Let’s talk about all things AEDP

Sue Marriott and Diana Fosha explore the key principles of Accelerated Experiential Dynamic Psychotherapy (AEDP) and its transformative impact on the field. AEDP begins with the premise of “healing from the get-go,” and fostering change from the first session. It emphasizes “undoing aloneness” by building a supportive therapeutic relationship, while encouraging clients to engage deeply with emotions. Join us as we highlight techniques like metatherapeutic processing, where clients reflect on their healing experience, and integrating neuroscience into clinical practice.

“The basic quality of emergent experience is a surrender to the experience of flow, of being in the zone.”

– Dr. Diana Fosha

Looking for extra community and connection post-election? Join us for our second free, live virtual holding circle on Friday, November 22nd at 3 PM CST – Click here to learn more 

Time Stamps for AEDP

02:55 The importance of healing from the get-go
06:06 Understanding “Undoing aloneness”
28:34 Dropping down into the body and connecting with emotions
33:28 Explanation and application of Metatherapeutic processing
35:28 Creating a safe and transformative relationship with clients
51:20 The societal impact of AEDP

About our Guest – Dr. Diana Fosha 

Diana Fosha PhD is the developer of AEDPTM, a healing-oriented, radically relational experiential psychotherapy to transform trauma, heal attachment wounds and help people connect to their vitality. She is Founder and Director of the AEDP Institute. Her “heightened sensitivity to the promises of life” recognized, she has been also described as having “an extraordinary gift for hope.” For the last 20 years, Diana has been active in promoting a scientific basis for a healing-oriented, attachment-emotion- and transformation-focused trauma treatment model. Fosha’s work focuses on integrating neuroplasticity, recognition science and developmental dyadic research into experiential and transformational clinical work with patients. Her most recent work, Undoing aloneness and the transformation of suffering into flourishing: AEDP 2.0, (APA, 2021), focuses on flourishing as a seamless part of the process of transforming emotional suffering.  She is the author of The transforming power of affect: A model for accelerated change (Basic Books, 2000); co-author, with Natasha Prenn, of Supervision essentials for Accelerated Experiential Dynamic Psychotherapy (APA, 2016); 1st editor, with Daniel Siegel and Marion Solomon, of The healing power of emotion: Affective neuroscience, development & clinical practice (Norton, 2009), and editor of the soon to be released AEDP 2.0: Four DVDs of her live AEDP clinical work, including one documenting a complete 6-session treatment, and one on clinical supervision have been issued by the American Psychological Association (APA). Described by psychoanalyst James Grotstein as a “prizefighter of intimacy,” and by David Malan as “the Winnicott of [accelerated experiential] psychotherapy,” Diana Fosha’s writing style is powerful and precise, yet poetic and evocative. Her phrases —“undoing aloneness,” “existing in the heart and mind of the other,” “rigor without shame” and “True Other”  — capture the ethos of AEDP. 

Resources for AEDP

www.aedpinstitute.org  – View some of Dr. Fosha’s papers here 

Metatherapeutic Processing Supports the Emergence of Flourishing in Psychotherapy – by Dr. Diana Fosha

How to be a Transformational Therapist – by Dr. Diana Fosha

Speculations on Emergence: Working the Edge of Transformational Experience and Neuroplasticity – by Dr. Diana Fosha

Healing Attachment Trauma with Attachment (& then some!) – by Dr. Diana Fosha

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