Different with Steve Chalke and Jill Rowe

In this episode of the Different podcast, I talk with Steve Chalke about shame and guilt. We chat about an experience at an AA meeting, and what a revelation it was of honesty and hope. We explore how shame can cause us to feel unworthy and even paralyse us. Guilt, on the other hand, we see can motivate and move us towards transformation, and making amends. And together we explore more about believing how we are all loved and lovable. And we wonder how different things might be if we believed we are actually, beloved by God. We recognise that we all need champions who affirm that this belovedness is true. So we pray that as you listen, this sense of being beloved finds a home in you.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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In this episode of the Different podcast, Steve Chalke and I talk about why lament really matters, especially when we are surrounded on every side by seeming chaos. and the 24 hour news cycle. We chat about how to find our way when things seem out of control. And we think about discovering a healthy practice of lemon, through which we can help and support one another. As we go through disruption. We realise that lament is a sacred and holy act. So instead of despising it, see that we can grow through it and find the courage we need to help create a better and more generous world. It felt like this conversation really mattered.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of the Different podcast, Steve Chalke and I talk about the human instinct to keep our distance from what is hard or challenging or doesn’t make sense. Via talk of playing hockey, having asthma, and wondering how God would figure in a game of Top Trumps, we chat about the way some beliefs leave us unable to manage the joy and pain of life and actually cause us harm rather than helping us. And we think through where God might be in all of this. This was a hope-filled, honest and enlightening conversation – we trust you will find it helpful and hopeful too.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of the Different podcast Steve Chalke and I explore how are struggle to like and love others is connected to our struggle to like and love ourselves. We talk about the work of the philosopher, Martin Buber, and reflect on a tweet from Elmo of Sesame Street fame. We explore the impact that knowing we are loved by others can have on what we believe about ourselves. And, reflecting on the words of Anthony de Mello, we consider the invitation to behold the one beholding us and smiling and try and understand how we can be a conduit for the divine in our relationships with others and how this can change everything.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of the Different podcast Steve Chalke and I continue our conversation about how we can bring an end to the descending spiral of violence through the building of diverse, inclusive community wherever we are, recognising our absolute need as human beings to belong to and with others. It's built into our DNA and it’s what it means to be fully human and flourishing. So, - it’s interdependence not independence. Belonging not separation. Inclusion and not exclusion. Our prayer is that this conversation brings you hope and the belief that a different kind of world really is possible.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of the Different podcast Steve Chalke and I explore how all behaviour is communication. We dive into the news, trying to make sense of what is happening now by seeing how trauma impacts individuals and whole people groups. We recognise how trauma that we don’t deal with deals with us. And we try to work out how we can surface trauma, talking and listening to the pain on both sides of the table and so bring peace into the world, all with a holy imagination. This was part one of an important conversation. It’s a conversation we all need to keep having. We hope and pray you find it helpful.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm Jill Rowe, and in this episode of the different podcast, Steve Chalke and I chat about forgiveness and grudges. We talk openly and honestly about times in our own lives when forgiveness has been something we have made our way to.

Having realised that unforgiveness was toxic, we describe how forgiveness is in fact a gateway to freedom and come to see that Jesus was inviting us to discover our own healing. When we forgive our enemies, we chat about how to live into the future rather than using the past as our reference point. This discussion was a great reminder of why forgiveness is such a profoundly powerful force for good and for transformation. May it bring goodness and hope to you.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of the different podcast, I talk with Steve Chalke about his new book, A Manifesto for Hope. We discuss how the systems that are meant to help people are failing. We look all the way back to the Beveridge Report, a revolution that laid out how to create social equality through partnership between government, the voluntary sector and local communities. Right at its core, Steve makes plain what needs to happen next,  a new form of partnership where decisions are made as close to the ground as possible and describes how transcendence, spirituality and community must be held at the core of a new manifesto. This was an incredibly rich and profound conversation, and the book is a must read for sure.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This one begins with cashew nuts, e-bikes, and shopping trolleys and we soon find ourselves talking about ethics – and the granular decisions we make day in, day out. We reflect on the gap we notice and dissonance we feel when who we want to be and the us that shows up sometimes feel too far apart. We celebrate how we can lean in and take note of our internal correcting mechanism we have, which may feel like an ache inviting us to bring our better and best selves to every situation. And we chat about finding a meaning making story, a reference point that guides us, our decisions and our behaviours and helps us become the kind of person we are truly seeking to be. The nature and identity of that story is truly fascinating, far reaching and well worth thinking through. Enjoy the ride of this one.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

"My name is Jill Rowe and in this episode Steve Chalke and I talk about the life lessons we can pick up from learning to swim. We unpack the daring involved in making bold statements and big moves but how such daring also shows up in the small things too. We think about the wonder of courage and also its cost, reflecting on how it always moves us and the story forward. We consider how failure is the friend of courage, not its enemy, and how such courage breathes life into us and our relationships as well as our sense of life purpose. This one was fun. We hope you like it."

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I’m Jill Rowe and in this episode Steve Chalke and I dive into some of the misunderstandings about God and what those misunderstandings lead to. We talk about God not being angry and Jesus not being a Christian. We uncover that Jesus invited people to a way of life and a way of love. We hear some wisdom from a Chief Rabbi and dare to imagine what can happen if we flipped our thinking on its head. And we lean into the ancient wisdom that whispers to us the words – this is the way, walk in it. We hope you can hear that whisper too.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I’m Jill Rowe and in this episode of the Different podcast, Steve Chalke and I talk about pivotal moments and pivotal people. We reflect on those relationships and people who have shaped us and even altered the trajectory of our lives. We talk about tributes at funerals and the legacy we can create. And we discuss how interdependence is vital for all of us to flourish, rooted in glorious diversity and not sameness, and we explore how we can walk alongside others – intentionally - knowing that as we do this we are changed and transformed too. We hope you enjoy this episode.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I’m Jill Rowe and in this episode Steve Chalke and I share a latte and get to grips with talking about the justice system. We discuss the revolution which is Oasis Restore – a secure school enabling young people to live their best lives, through education well-being & hope. We care for children aged 12-18 who are on remand and sentenced to custody by the courts. We talk about the power of restoration and how hurting to heal never ever works and consider instead the power of asking those who have experienced trauma ‘what happened to them’ rather than jumping to what is wrong with you. And in the end the only thing that will bring restoration to any of us is relentless love. We hope this episode brings you a fresh glimpse of the power of restoration.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Jill Rowe and David Bailey talk about the life changing things that can be learnt from a massage. They discuss how we can make wellbeing a part of the everyday, rather than a mountain we have to climb. They also ask how at times we need to make the call to prioritise our wellbeing, rather than putting it on the line.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In part two of this conversation, Steve Chalke continues his conversation with David Bailey about his book ‘The Lost Message of Paul’. They continue to wrestle with some the big questions that arise from St. Paul’s words and writings and help us to understand how we can learn from him about inclusion and being followers of the way of Jesus. This episode was recorded back in 2019.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is the first of a special two-parter where Steve Chalke chats about his book ‘The Lost Message of Paul’ with David Bailey. They get serious with some big questions about what it was that St. Paul had to say. They discuss how his words and writings have been interpreted and understood and the impact they have had on those who often find themselves left standing alone at the margins. This episode was recorded back in 2019.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Jill Rowe and David Bailey talk about the trials of a driving test and how shame can shape us. All of us mess up and fail - so why do we struggle so much to be honest? Why does failure have such a grip on us, why are we ashamed of it and why does it affect us so badly? We may be tempted to push all these moments away, but by being honest we find a way forward that is liberating as we discover the gift of second chances.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk about why we all long for certainty only to discover that uncertainty and the ground shifting is where the answers are found. What might we do when we experience a dark night of the soul and how we can make sense of some of the tough stuff that happens to us all. Doubt and the importance of asking questions are at the heart of this thought-provoking - and hopefully helpful - conversation.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk about anger, beauty and love and how we might understand what is going on in the news cycle. We then jump right into chatting about disgrace and those who had a cheeky smoke between the sermon and communion and how grace won the day. Grace upon grace upon grace.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke discuss the way of the rabbi and the power of dust; how discomfort is integral to our growth and reaching the point of knowing we are part of something bigger than just us, with our lives becoming a line in an unfolding story.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this first episode of our new podcast, Jill Rowe talks to Steve Chalke about his experience of standing in the bike sheds as a kid and being told the facts of life. Jill also shares the truth about the tragic death of a fish.

Through these and other stories, we discover what our contribution to the world can be, leaning into the power and wonder of defining moments. And at the same time, exploring how we might live intentionally and on purpose, experiencing life as a gift.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We’d like to introduce you to a new podcast. It’s called Different. But why different?

You know how when you’re wearing sunglasses it puts a tint on everything? Or if you wear glasses you see some things in focus and others out of focus?

Well, we all have lenses on the inside of our head too. And they tint, colour and shape everything we see, think and understand.

So, on this podcast Steve Chalke and Jill Rowe are going to dive headlong into just that as they discover a new ‘meaning making’ story and embrace a fresh way of thinking about life, the universe and everything in-between.

They will talk about getting to a place where we see our lives as part of something bigger than our day-to-day experience - becoming a part of an unfolding story. Finding joy in ordinary moments, facing failure and struggle and discovering liberation and purpose.

They’ll also discuss experiencing life as a gift and learning how to live on purpose. They’ll be peering into dark nights of the soul and finding hope. And simply learning how we are here to walk each home.

We hope you enjoy these conversations – discovering a new story and embracing new thinking.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.