hx-pod

Home site: https://alexanderpetros.com/
Utah JS talk (100 year web service): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lASLZ9TgXyc
Big Sky Dev Con Talk (Life and Death of Htmx): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g5ruM-16_Y&t=2684s
Triptych Proposals: https://alexanderpetros.com/triptych/
Blog: https://unplannedobsolescence.com/

Tanner Bass claims to speak on behalf of the CEOS

Got a problem? Tell me all about it at
https://htmxlabs.com

Lucas Pires of CheckSec on when to use htmx and django -- and when NOT too

Links:
PyCon PT 23 | Building advanced back-office interfaces using Django & HTMX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdLWZQb8pkE

Ok, so different build (no Node js, no npm, no yarn)
https://tailwindcss.com/blog/standalone-cli

Sahil's tweet:
https://x.com/shl/status/1839686512767627310

Where is our ShadCN? Where is our Flux UI? Where is our Tailwind UI?

Hypermedia contrained by ajax and network calls?
No way -- Delaney is here to expand your mind with 60fps hypermedia streaming to your browser!
Data Star:
https://data-star.dev
Grugs around the Fire:
https://data-star.dev/essays/grugs_around_fire

John is ready to build something real.
What if it went straight into production as a dashboard widget?

See what I'm talking about:
https://x.com/htmxlabs/status/1831510008946708959

Shoutout to reddit user Thoram

https://www.reddit.com/r/htmx/comments/125gha4/prevent_scrolling_on_hxboost/

My father in law runs his business using a CAD app running on a floppy disk. No, I'm not kidding

Ben Croker is building Sprig for CraftCMS, a reactive framework for CraftCMS built using htmx.
As one of the top contributors to htmx, Ben also shares his tips on contributing to open source.

Sprig Cookbook: https://putyourlightson.com/sprig/cookbook
Ben on Twitter: https://x.com/ben_pylo
Craft CMS: https://craftcms.com
http://devMode.fm
Ben Croker + Carson Gross podcast episode: https://devmode.fm/episodes/dynamic-html-with-htmx

An HTMX success story
https://www.sheenaoc.com/articles/2024-06-30-htmx

Sheena joins to talk about how she teaches her junior devs to teach noob devs how to become junior devs

Practice over theory. hx-swap-oob. optimistic uis. the secret to making memes

<dialog> tag is great
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/dialog

Ignorance is bliss

John says what's up with marketing for small businesses

Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7BX2ocn7XM

What's an efficient/great way to add modals using htmx?

Anthony's talk at Big Sky Dev Con:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVKSmR_hBMs&t=9142s

This episode on youtube (i.e. see faces)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQfKmpx7QZ8

Mentioned, how to submit and reset a form on success using htmx:

This assumes the last row is the add form, and places the newly added item directly above it.

"We've done them all now"

All headers grouped

===========> REQUEST HEADERS

======> Flags

*HX-Boosted - was it a boosted link

*HX-Request - is it an htmx request

*HX-History-Restore-Request - is it a back button restore request

======> Auto-sent variables

*HX-Current-URL - current url page is at

*HX-Target - id of target if has id

*HX-Trigger-Name - which element triggered it by name

*HX-Trigger - which element triggered it

======> User Variables

*HX-Prompt - user is asked to provide prompt, this is what they typed

============> RESPONSE HEADERS

======> Browser & history commands

*HX-Location - hx-boost reload to page

*HX-Redirect - regular redirect

*HX-Refresh - refresh page

*HX-Push-Url - push url to top bar

*HX-Replace-Url - replace url in top bar

======> override attributes

*HX-Reswap - sets hx-swap value

*HX-Retarget - set hx-target value

*HX-Reselect - set hx-select value

======> Trigger events

*HX-Trigger - trigger an event on client immediately

*HX-Trigger-After-Swap - trigger an event after swapping in html

*HX-Trigger-After-Settle - trigger an event next lifecycle

i went to #BSDC2024 (not an htmx con) so you don't have to. 
here's my own recap of all the talks

Every talk is available to watch at: https://bigskydevcon.com

1. 1:26 - The htmx guide to gonzo open source marketing by Carson Gross
2. 8:23 - The Life & Death of HTMX by Alex Petros
3. 13:29 - Hypermedia Middleware: Introducing Walrus by Ben Damman
4. 17:14 - htmx sucks and now you're gonna hear about it (Mind the Gap) by Ryan Florence
5. 23:27 - Abusing Hypermedia by Nathaniel Maile & Jon-Michael Hartway
6. 27:51 - Local First by Warren Buffering 
7. 30:30 - Geospatial Data in an AI World by Jaron Jones
8. 31:12 - What's the Deal with Flutter? by Marcus Twichel
9. 32:41 - High floor, high ceiling by Sam Selikoff
10. 36:41 - Building HTML Frontend with Go & Templ by Adrian Hesketh
11. 37:56 - You can't build very interactive web apps without SPAs... and other HTMX myths by Anthony Alaribe
12. 47:50 - Development & DevOps Lessons from the New Montana Cadastral Application by Kenny Ketner
13. 48:27 - A Talk By ThePrimeagen by ThePrimeagen
14. 51:19 - Release of HTMX 2.0 on floppy disk

Use this response header to send event trigers to ANY client side browser event (javascript, htmx, custom, etc)

HX-Trigger - as soon as response received
HX-Trigger-After-Swap - after new html is swapped in
HX-Trigger-After-Settle - after new html is settled and processed by browser

1. single event
   HX-Trigger:event

2. multiple events
   HX-Trigger:event1, event2 

3. single event with value
   HX-Trigger:{“event1”:”event 1 message”} 

4. single events with key/value data
   HX-Trigger:{“event1:{“key1”:”value1,”key2:”value2”}}

5. multiple events with key/value data 
   HX-Trigger:{“event1:{“key1”:”value1,”key2:”value2”}, “event2”:{“key1”:”value1,”key2:”value2”}}

{ "HX-Reselect": "#one-div-inside-html" }

This episode explores what an optimistic ui might look like in htmx. Also: is it what we want to do? Is it even possible? Or is it incompatible with the idea of having the dom as the true application state?

Original tweet:
https://x.com/noahflk/status/1795758603577545035

DHH responses: 
https://x.com/dhh/status/1796163806650868149

Htmx guy responses:
https://x.com/htmx_org/status/1796182554883539236

Override your "hx-swap=" attribute. 
Correct your hx-swap mistake! Do it now!!!

Decide from your server side what url the user sees!

https://htmx.org/headers/hx-push-url

Speaking with a prolific developer who recently switched from React to htmx

Redirect your users to a new page from your back-end server in SPA-mode (no refresh for them)

https://htmx.org/headers/hx-location/

This header is to make sure your system loads the full page when
1) You are suing hx-push-url to work with the url bar
2) Users click the back button.
3) The full page cached history snapshot isn't there

Useful links mentioned:
https://github.com/bigskysoftware/htmx/issues/497

https://htmx.org/docs/#history

The htmx request header that tells you
EXACTLY where the user is making the request from
The full url string with all ids and params

A case for taking the extra steps. It's a good thing

hx-prompt="what's your favorite size turtle?"

Request Headers:
Hx-Prompt: small

How can your server tell if its a regular link click or an hx-boost SPA-mode link click??
I'll tell you everything about it in these 5 minutes!

Let's your server know what the id is of the hx-target!
You need 2 things to send this request header:
1. Use the attribute: hx-target="some_id"
2. Use a DOM id as the target: some_id needs to be an id, not another css selector

You can use these headers to conditionally branch your response based on *which element* the request was triggered from

example of format:
Request Headers:
Hx-Trigger: search_input
Hx-Trigger-Name: search

An example in the wild: The Laravel blade documentation:

https://laravel.com/docs/11.x/blade#rendering-blade-fragments

We're (Me're) 43 episodes in. What's next?

We talk integrating htmx with Wordpress!

Andrew Rhyand 
https://andrewrhyand.com/

Mentioned links:

HTMX movies demo: (very slick & educational)
https://htmx.andrewrhyand.com/

Author of the Wordpress/Inertia Adapter:
https://github.com/boxybird/inertia-wordpress

Alpine/Livewire in Wordpress:
https://github.com/boxybird/morph

Advanced htmx: Recap & grouping each of the 13 advanced attributes we went over this "season"

This means we have now gone through every attribute! (not counting extensions)

1. Browser & History

Hx-push-url - set your url

Hx-replace-url - replace your url, save no snapshot

Hx-history-elt - change snapshot from default to particular element

Hx-history - prevent something from being saved in the htmx snapshot

2. Customizing Requests

Hx-request - set no headers or timeout on request

Hx-headers - set custom headers, dynamic or static json

Hx-sync - allows you to set rules for multiple htmx requests at once

3. Submitting Data

Hx-validate - allows you to use validation rules outside of forms

Hx-disabled-elt - disables a button once you’ve clicked it

Hx-encoding - allows you to upload files via Ajax

4. Overriding Htmx

Hx-disable - allows you to disable htmx for user comments, posts, etc

Hx-disinherit - breaks inheritance chain for one or more attributes

5. Fun!

Hx-select-oob - lets you place element from your response wherever you want

Reddit thread with an example:
https://www.reddit.com/r/htmx/comments/1bukz76/hxselect_reset/

What if you wanted a part of your site to persist even using the back and forward on your browser?

Here is the reddit thread I mention in the episode, with an example:
https://www.reddit.com/r/htmx/comments/1bu14sg/how_to_make_a_audio_player_that_survives_the_back/

This one might actually be essential, not just an advanced attribute. Keeps you and your users from accidentally submitting things multiple times.

An amazingly simple file uploading form *with a progress bar* using htmx:

<form id='form'
      hx-encoding='multipart/form-data'
      hx-post='/[where-you-want-post-it]'
      hx-target='#target-div'>
    <input type="hidden" name="_token" value="" />
    <input type='file' name='file'>
    <button>
        Upload
    </button>
    <progress id='progress' value='0' max='100'></progress>
</form>
<script>
    htmx.on('#form', 'htmx:xhr:progress', function(evt) {
      htmx.find('#progress').setAttribute('value', evt.detail.loaded/evt.detail.total * 100)
    });
</script>

What if you could "select" snippets out of your response and send them to anywhere on the page ("out-of-band") of the target?

that's hx-select-oob 

Server traffic cop: hx-swap-oob
Client traffic cop: hx-select-oob

Let's talk big ideas like Locality of Behavior vs. Separation of Concerns by relentlessly attacking one of the best websites ever created

Set the outer layer of settings of your request with THESE THREE OPTIONS

Question: Do you want your users in the comment section to write htmx that runs on your site?

If the answer is yes, please ignore this episode.

What if you don't want your page kept into the browser history local storage?

This is a somewhat open thought process looking at the question I see online: what is htmx good for?

Mentioned in the episode: the htmx movies example from Andrew Rhyand:
https://htmx.andrewrhyand.com/
A great looking page with smooth animations and educational htmx content on it.

Your browser has built in types and validation on inputs in a form. But what happens when you use inputs without a form??

Note: I accidentally posted an incomplete episode at first, if you dont hear the end, try to re-download!

Every request has secret hidden headers. But what if you wanted to make your own?

https://htmx.org/attributes/hx-headers/

When you make your life easier, that's a win.

Having any weird async ajax request issues? 

htmx got yer back 🤜 🤛

Push your ajax route to the url bar! Now you've got access to the back button again.

.. but what happens when you refresh?

Work with the browser history on any htmx request with hx-push-url and hx-replace-url.

PUSH it to the Browser history stack:
hx-get="/account/details" hx-push-url="true"

REPLACE the current browser history stack:
hx-get="/account/details" hx-replace-url="true"

Per listener request: Same episode as last, but without the soundtrack!

Keeping the other up for posterity's sake.

Every developer should have their own custom to-do app. Join me for my journey building this simple app in my head using htmx

Every attribute so far and where they fit together.

What if.. you wanted just a part of the html from the response?

In a perfect world, you could just use a simple css selector to get only what you need and filter everything else out.

Well, welcome to the perfect world -- hx-select style.

NOTE: This is some Star Trek computer shit. You gotta hear it to believe it

BIG interview today.

We delve into where htmx fits in the broader dev world, how we might build a calendar with htmx, and even how to build and publish our own hx-load-class attribute.

Updating a chunk of the DOM is easy --  but what if you wanted to leave one element alone?

<div id="leave-me-alone" hx-preserve>Content preserved</div>

Content will NOT be swapped out in the request, as long as the id in the request data matches.

https://htmx.org/attributes/hx-preserve/

Do you ever want to let the user know you are loading something?

Of course you do. Just add the htmx-indicator class to any element (loading div, svg, gif), and the parent requests will make it show up.

We discuss the magic you get for free in htmx and the way to customize it!

ok, you are submitting a form.. but what if you don't want to submit the whole thing?
Use what only i call "the mysql selector of htmx"

hx-params="first_name, last_name, state"

or what if you wanted to exclude a field?

hx-params="not secret_field"

How do you feel about setting your request values right there inline?

STATIC
<button hx-get="/my/weather/data"
              hx-trigger="click"
              hx-vals='{"location": "01245"}'>
   Click for weather in one static location
</button>

DYNAMIC
<button hx-get="/my/weather/data"
              hx-trigger="click"
              hx-vals='js:{location: document.getElementById("zipcode").value}'>
   Click for weather in one static location
</button>

OR
<button hx-get="/my/weather/data"
              hx-trigger="click"
              hx-vals='js:{location: someJavascriptCalculationFunction()}'>
   Click for weather in one static location
</button>

Your built-in advantage of building html on the server: everything important is already there.

Here are the two server/client mental model discussions referenced in the audio:

1. Primagean "The truth about HTMX"
Front end backend s=discussion starts around 12m
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hMrk7A8Wf0

2. Mostly Technical Podcast
"High Floor vs. High ceiling"
https://mostlytechnical.com/episodes/13-the-sql-injection-slide-with-sam-selikoff#t=9m6s

How can you change your entire site to be faster and snappier with just one attribute?
How can you recreate the entire libraries of turbolinks and pjax in a single line?
How can you make your entire site essentially an SPA?

<body hx-boost="true">

Or, "How I learned to stop worrying and stack this stack on all other stacks."

Essay on HOWL from htmx.org:
https://htmx.org/essays/hypermedia-on-whatever-youd-like/

ALERT ALERT hx-on is changing tomorrow!

...sort of

1->2 guide:
https://v2-0v2-0.htmx.org/migration-guide-htmx-1/

hx-on attribute:
https://htmx.org/attributes/hx-on/

What, you're too good for a regular javascript confirmation?

Fine
https://htmx.org/examples/confirm/

Who gatekeeps the Gatekeepers? the coast guard?

Thank you to rick @maverism for tweeting out the podcast!

What on earth are PUT PATCH and DELETE and why would I use them instead of POST?

Well, which do you like better?
A) <button hx-delete="/articles/1">
B) <button hx-post="/articles/1/delete">

How to load a bunch of links to the after the page loads and place them anywhere you want with hx-swap-oob

On site:
<div hx-get="/load-podcast-links" hx-trigger="load"></div>

In response:
<div id="placement-1" hx-swap-oob="true">Placement 1 text and link</div>
<div id="placement-2" hx-swap-oob="true">Placement 2 text and link</div>
<div id="placement-3" hx-swap-oob="true">Placement 3 text and link</div>
.....

This is a new idea: let your response decide its own target(s)! 

<div id="my-update-div" hx-swap-oob="true">Updated html</div>

<div id="my-update-div-2" hx-swap-oob="true">More updated html elsewhere on the page</div>

Uh oh. Your inputs are outside a <form> tag, what's to be done?

Want to use POST requests in ajax, and submit forms from anywhere on the page?

As promised in the episode, here are three ways to set up your CSRF token headers:

1. Like normal in your forms:

<input type="hidden" name="_token" value=""/>

 
(the regular html way works with htmx, of course)

2. Javascript

<script>
document.body.addEventListener('htmx:configRequest', (e) => {
    e.detail.headers['X-CSRFToken'] = '';
})
</script>

(add this to the bottom of your </body> so that EVERY request gets the right headers. I love this one!)

hx-headers

<div hx-post="/your-endpoint" hx-headers='{"X-CSRF-Token": "YourCSRFTokenHere"}'> 

<!-- Your content --> 

</div>

(add this attribute along with your hx-post)

You got your data back and your target, now where does it fit?

Is this really learning? It might be.

What would "tailwind but for javascript" feel like?

What if your browser could skip the json-processing step of an api?

Consider this: you have to add a fancy feature to a legacy app. 
Who you gonna call?