The goop Podcast

Gwyneth sits down with a functional nutrition and women's hormone expert to talk about how to support your body through diet, exercise, and lifestyle habits during each phase of the menstrual cycle.

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The author of Modern Friendship: How to Nurture Our Most Valued Connections joins Cleo Wade to talk about the science behind modern friendship and creating meaningful connections. They explore what makes friendships fall apart, the different tiers of friendship, and how to navigate the conflicts that inevitably arise in our closest bonds.

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The double board-certified pediatric neurologist shares her personal journey and how she came to found ARMRA, a company focused on colostrum products. She explains the nutrient makeup of colostrum, the role of the body’s mucosal barrier, how this barrier can be impaired, and what she does to bolster her gut and overall health.

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The author of Use Your Planets Wisely and A Map to Your Soul joins us today with an astrological update. She shares five practices to prepare for the upcoming cosmic shifts that can impact our personal relationships and communities, and how we cultivate rest and joy during this season of transition.

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Cleo Wade is joined by the author of What Do You Need? and the founder and CEO of ColorComm, a network for women of color in the workforce. They chat about the value of setting goals, how to make networking purposeful, and navigating career setbacks.

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Julia Hotz is a journalist and the author of The Connection Cure: The Prescriptive Power of Movement, Nature, Art, Service, and Belonging, which explores the concept of social prescribing. She joins Cleo Wade today to discuss the five key pillars that form the foundation of social prescriptions, finding okayness in difficult times, the power of flow states, and the potential for social prescribing to reshape healthcare policy.

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Cleo Wade chats with the author of Fully Alive, which reframes the concept of the seven deadly sins as a framework to explore human nature, connection, and spiritual growth in modern times. They talk about Oldfield’s journey to religion, how her faith has shifted over time, why she wanted to examine sin and Christianity, and what it means to create a fulfilling life.

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Gwyneth catches up with her longtime friend, and they cover a lot of ground: friendship, motherhood, how Jones made her way to The Office, what is was like growing up in Los Angeles, and where to eat in Tokyo today. Plus, Jones shares a few stories from filming her new Apple TV+ show, Sunny.

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Gwyneth is joined by her longtime friend to talk about learning from the wisdom of our bodies. Vlachonis shares her holistic approach to treating physical and mental pain and why she sees pain as a powerful teacher. They also discuss the tenets from her book, The Body Doesn't Lie, and the tools and practices she regularly leans on from her Greek heritage. 

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It's a special solo episode with cohost Cleo Wade. She catches up on some of your questions: what she's looking forward to this summer, how to ask a friend for space, tips on becoming more confident, advice on navigating pregnancy anxiety and stepparenting, the books that changed her life, and more.

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Gwyneth is joined by a sought-after dating coach to talk about building a dating strategy based on core values and intentions, why first dates should be less than hour, ways for reframing rejection, what ghosting says about you, and how to know when you've found the right person.

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The former executive editor of Teen Vogue and author of The Myth of Making It joins Cleo Wade to talk about the rise and fall of girlboss culture, quiet quitting, the complex relationship between feminism and capitalism, and turning workplace disillusionment into positive change.

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The New York Times–bestselling author of You Could Make This Place Beautiful joins Cleo Wade to talk about her journey through divorce, the writing process, her view on forgiveness today, and what happens when we allow ourselves to hold contradictions and complicated feelings at the same time. 

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Cleo Wade is joined by the Wisdom of the Path author to talk about tapping into the power of your inner wisdom, ways for redefining your intentions, and the value of community and vulnerability in the healing process.

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This week, we're revisiting a 2019 conversation from The goop Podcast archives with Gwyneth's longtime friend, the legendary yoga teacher Eddie Stern. They reminisce about the 1990s, when GP first walked into his studio, and discuss the connection between movement, emotion, and breath.

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In his new book, Mind Magic: The Neuroscience of Manifestation and How It Changes Everything, James Doty explains the process of manifestation. He joins Gwyneth to talk about why we sometimes manifest things that are wrong for us, and how we can better emotionally regulate, and ultimately make space for and move toward what brings us happiness.

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Cleo Wade sits down with the Other People's Words author to talk about friendship, grief, and how the words of our loved ones live on—sometimes through us—after they're gone. Soep shares how, after losing two close friends in different ways, she discovered traces of their voices and language through voicemails, letters, and emails, and how these ordinary artifacts take on a different meaning after loss.

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Gwyneth is joined by the author of Why We Remember to talk about how memory works, how it shapes our identities, and what makes something memorable. Ranganath explains what he's learned from studying the brain and how it processes certain events, and he shares the short- and long-term things we can do to improve our memory.  

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Gwyneth talks with the fashion designer and entrepreneur about turning 50, the formula for a long marriage, and why she wanted to get into the fashion and beauty businesses. They talk about their families, what it's like to pivot from one career into another, and their favorite Spice Girls songs.

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This is a special episode from our archives: In 2018, shortly after we launched The goop Podcast, Gwyneth sat down with her own mom, actress Blythe Danner. The two opened up to each other about old boyfriends, what it was like acting together, things they'd approach differently at this stage of their lives, and more.

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The founder of Brown Girl Therapy and the author of But What Will People Say? joins Cleo Wade to talk about belonging, family, and identity. Kohli examines her own experiences as a child of South Asian immigrants, and the pressure to present different versions of herself across different cultural contexts.

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Sue Varma, author of Practical Optimism, served as the first medical director and attending psychiatrist at the World Trade Center Mental Health Program, treating civilian and first-responder survivors in the aftermath of 9/11. She shares how her work there led her to develop a framework for practical optimism. She explains what it means to be a practical optimist (and why it's different than blind optimism), ways for moving forward if you're feeling stuck, and how small intentional changes have the power to impact our physical and emotional health.

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Legendary author Anne Lamott discusses the many ways love can transform us. She shares how she learned to break free from perfectionism, the spiritual value of crying, the mantras that help ground her in self-love, and her new book Somehow.

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Katara McCarty is the founder of Exhale, an app focused on the mental wellness of Black women. Today, she shares her personal life story with Gwyneth. They talk about how McCarty’s work has been informed by a unique survey she conducted in 2023. And what it means to hold space: “I think that holding space takes acknowledging the fullness of the person you’re holding space for,” McCarty says.

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Gwyneth is joined by Lisa Mosconi, author of The Menopause Brain. Mosconi is an associate professor of neurology at Weill Cornell Medicine and the director of its Women’s Brain Initiative and the Alzheimer’s Prevention Program. Today, Mosconi explains how hormonal shifts during perimenopause and menopause can impact cognitive health and shares some of the clinical trials and brain-imaging work her lab is doing to better understand this stage of life. They about the foods that can support brain health at any stage of life and Mosconi’s perspective on why menopause can be seen as an opportunity, particularly from an evolutionary standpoint.

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Today, we’re sharing a conversation from our last In goop Health summit. Kim Little is a software developer, lifelong meditator, and cofounder of Moments of Space, a new meditation app that teaches an eyes-open technique. Little joined Gwyneth onstage to talk about how we can find deep connection throughout the everyday. (GP uses the eyes-open technique during her walks and has found it so beneficial that she’s recently come on as a co-owner and community director at Moments of Space.) At the end of their conversation, Little shares three ways to approach the eyes-open method and guides us through a live meditation.

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The author of Conscious Grieving: A Transformative Approach to Healing from Loss joins Cleo Wade to discuss how we go about rebuilding a life, or finding wisdom in grief. They talk about how men and women often process their emotions differently, and why it can be difficult to acknowledge loss and to sit with our grief. "We have to start by just being in it, and it's actually the hardest thing because everyone tries to move out of it as quickly as possible," says Bidwell Smith.

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Cleo Wade is joined by Corey Keyes, author of Languishing: How to Feel Alive Again in a World That Wears Us Down. In today's conversation, Keyes explains how he measures the states of languishing and flourishing, and what we get wrong about mental health. And he shares the personal story of his own search for meaning, which sparked his research all the way back in 2002.

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Gwyneth is joined by the Pulitzer Prize–winning journalist and author of Supercommunicators to talk about the art and science behind meaningful conversation. Duhigg explains the three types of conversations, what makes certain ones work, and the traits of highly effective communicators. He also shares a few tools for reframing difficult conversations and his most important tip for moving past small talk. And at the end, GP shares the dinner-party question she likes to ask to build connection.

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Cleo Wade is joined today by Cole Arthur Riley to discuss her new book— Black Liturgies: Prayers, Poems, and Meditations for Staying Human—and her personal journey through spirituality. Riley shares what led her to write a prayer book that embraces questioning as part of faith and what happened after she allowed herself to question her own spiritual beliefs. They talk about discovering spiritual communities among writers and artists, using breath and other rituals as a form of prayer, and finding the beauty and meaning in contemplation.

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Psychotherapists Barry Michels and Kristan Sargeant lead this special episode—part workshop, part conversation—on the shadow. (Michels is perhaps best known for cowriting The Tools and his pioneering psychotherapy work with his coauthor Phil Stutz, which Sargeant continues to evolve.) For them, the shadow is the tool that has the potential to bring about the greatest growth and transformation. How to begin to use it? Today, they walk you through getting to know your own shadow—the parts of yourself that you've rejected or pushed deep down into the unconscious. They show how your shadow can become an incredible source of wisdom. And a conduit to living as your full, authentic self. (To join their work on the shadow, see their upcoming event lineup.)

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Lindsay Peoples, the editor-in-chief of the Cut and cofounder of the Black in Fashion Council, says she was a people pleaser growing up. In today's conversation, she explains why she's not anymore, and she answers questions about what drives boldness.

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Gwyneth asks her friend Beatrice Dixon to share the incredibly unique personal story behind her brand the Honey Pot. It’s an unexpected, and awe-inspiring, conversation.

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Our guest today is Bonnie Wan, creator and author of The Life Brief, which is her transformative three-step tool for helping people reimagine their lives and gain clarity on what they really want. Wan joined Cleo Wade to talk about why she created the process for herself and what happened when she allowed herself to unearth her truths. "This is a practice of curiosity," says Wan. "So one insight leads to more questions and those questions unpack more insights."

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GP is joined today by actress Michelle Yeoh. They talked about Yeoh's beginnings as a ballet dancer in England, which unexpectedly led to her career in acting, and how she landed her first commercial with Jackie Chan. They talked about responsibility in family and why Yeoh decided early on in her career to step away from acting to prioritize her first marriage and how she feels about that decision now. Other highlights: how the pair felt winning their respective Oscar awards at very different stages in their lives, maintaining friendships with exes, what it was like for Yeoh to work with GP’s husband on The Brothers Sun, and what they order at dim sum.

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“We don't allow ourselves to just kind of let our shoulders go down and trust that we are enough and we’re exactly what our kids need and that it’s not as complicated as it’s made out to be,” says Aliza Pressman, author of The 5 Principles of Parenting and host of the Raising Good Humans podcast. In this conversation, Pressman talks through the importance of having a strength-based (vs. deficit) approach to parenting; the difference between boundaries, limits, and rules; and how to use the five principles to build resilience.

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We’re kicking off 2024 with something a little different: a conversation between Enneagram coach Courtney Smith and psychological astrologer Jennifer Freed, PhD. In this episode, the two friends join each other to talk about the astrological themes to expect in the new year and how the Enneagram system of personality types can be used to help us see challenges as opportunities for growth.

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For our last episode of 2023, instead of being joined by a guest, cohost and New York Times-bestselling author Cleo Wade is doing a special round of Ask-Me-Anything reflecting on the last year, what she thinks about resolutions, and her New Year’s Eve traditions.

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This week, we're sharing a special conversation from our archives. In January 2020, Gwyneth sat down with Eckhart Tolle, the legendary spirituality teacher and bestselling author of The Power of Now and A New Earth. They discussed the profound transformation Tolle had in his twenties that changed the course of his life. And Tolle taught us how to break from our own ego and bring awareness to the emotions that we tend to sublimate. 

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“We cannot feel well physically or mentally unless we are feeling loved by the people around us and the way that we do that is by being good listeners,” says Peoplehood cofounder Julie Rice. In this week’s episode, Cleo Wade sits down with Rice to talk about her entrepreneurial journey from founding SoulCycle to the impetus behind Peoplehood, a guided group practice where people can share, listen, and cultivate their interpersonal relationship skills. “Relationships are a process, and they take time and attention and work and love,” says Rice. “And the same grit and ambition that you give to your career and all the other things need to go into relationships. They don't just happen.” (After you listen, head to Peoplehood and use code Peoplehood1 for a free gathering session.)

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In this live podcast conversation straight from our In goop Health wellness summit, GP was joined by three inspiring women who shared the stories behind their life changes. They talked about making career pivots, how they've come to resist binary thinking when it comes to success, and how motherhood expanded their definitions of purpose.

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Raquel Willis is an activist, author, and media strategist whose work focuses on Black transgender liberation. Willis joins Cleo Wade today to talk about her debut memoir, The Risk It Takes to Bloom, and making peace with her younger self while chipping away at the idea of wanting to tell a "pristine" story. They also talk about the moment Willis' path into activism became clear, and her advice for those who are afraid of saying the wrong thing in the journey toward collective liberation. (To hear more from Willis, tune into her new podcast series, Afterlives.)

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"There's probably nothing that feels more valuable than getting intimate with our own hearts," says Tara Brach. "We need it. We need it in this world." Drop into this conversation between GP and Brach, who shares her insights about what it means to open our hearts to ourselves and to others. Brach teaches us how we can soften and create space for each other, and why it's necessary to process our feelings so they don't unwittingly rule our lives. Of course, Brach and GP talk about using the RAIN practice for coping with big emotions, and they do a mini meditation together for listeners who'd like to hear—and experience—it in action.

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"Folks were not used to seeing or hearing people that look like me delivering them the news, giving them the facts, helping them unpack and understand things," says Symone Sanders. Sanders is an author, seasoned democratic strategist, and the host of “Symone” on MSNBC. She joins Cleo Wade to talk about her path to becoming the youngest presidential press secretary on record at 25 and why she felt compelled to get into politics and media at a young age. She shares how she manages the demands of a high-pressure career while taking care of herself during difficult news cycles and her advice for young people looking to make a positive impact in their communities and in the world.

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"I've earned the right to evolve into somebody different," says Halle Berry. The actor joins GP to talk about what her inner dialogue sounds like at age 57 and the identity shift that comes around during the back half of life. Berry shares why she feels empowered by menopause and why her own health trajectory led her to getting involved with Pendulum Therapeutics, a company focused on metabolic health through microbiome products.

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Shiza Shahid is an activist, an investor, and cofounder of the Malala Fund and Our Place. Shahid sat down with cohost Cleo Wade in front of a live audience to talk about her life journey, building a business rooted in social impact, how to make a difference in the causes you care about, and the mantra she uses to redirect pressure and anxiety. 

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A wide-ranging and tender conversation between our two podcast cohosts—that includes a sneak listen of Cleo's new, beautiful book Remember Love.

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Today, instead of being joined by a guest, GP takes a trip down memory lane and answers questions—from her closest friends, colleagues, and mentors—about what she's learned over the past 15 years of building goop. What advice would she give to her younger self? What is she most proud of? What is she looking forward to in this next chapter? And more.

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GP is joined by Dr. Taz Bhatia, a board-certified integrative medicine physician and the author of the new book, The Hormone Shift. They talk through the most effective ways to navigate through five key hormonal shifts in our lives, why hormonal testing can—and should—be done as early as our teenage years, the tenets of Bhatia's 30-day plan for balancing hormones at any age, and her perspective on hormone replacement therapy.

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GP is joined by her friend, Nicole Avant. Avant is a producer, a philanthropist, and the author of Think You’ll Be Happy, her upcoming memoir which centers around her late mother, Jacqueline Avant. In their conversation, GP and Avant talk about forgiveness, faith, resiliency, and how we metabolize tragedy. Avant also talks about her father, the legendary music executive Clarence Avant, and the wisdom he imparted on her. 

After you listen, preorder Avant’s book, which comes out October 17.

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Today, instead of being joined by a guest, cohost and New York Times-bestselling author Cleo Wade is doing a round of Ask-Me-Anything, where she answers a handful of your questions ahead of the upcoming tour for her new book, Remember Love. True to form, Wade covers a lot of ground: what her morning routine looks like, advice for starting a new chapter in life, how to ask for help, and more.

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Cleo Wade is joined by human design expert Jenna Zoe. Zoe’s new book, Human Design, explores the principles of the personality system and how to use it to reveal your purpose and your gifts. Today, they talk about how we can begin to reconnect with our inner selves and why human design can help us on our journey toward self-discovery. 

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Laura Modi is the CEO and co-founder of Bobbie, the first woman-owned, organic infant formula brand in the U.S. Before starting Bobbie, Modi was an executive at Airbnb, and before that, she was at Google. Today, she joins GP to talk about the moment that spurred the investigation that led her to Bobbie and how her work is recalibrating more broadly how we think about and value motherhood. 

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Thomas Curran is a social and personality psychologist, a professor at the London School of Economics, and the author of The Perfection Trap. He joins GP today to talk about the psychology of perfectionism, its effect on a broader scale, and how being vulnerable can move us forward.

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Justina Blakeney is a designer, artist, New York Times-bestselling author, and the founder of Jungalow. She joins Cleo Wade today to talk about her evolution, balancing creativity and entrepreneurship, not putting yourself in a box, and how she's learned to face discomfort while carving a path on her own terms.

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Nina Westbrook is a licensed marriage and family therapist, host of the Relationship Chronicles podcast, and the founder of the digital wellness community, Bene by Nina. She joins Cleo Wade today to talk about her journey toward mental health and her approach to breaking down the stigma of therapy. They talk about parenting, the importance of community for our well-being, having value-centered friendships, and what it means to be able to see parts of ourselves in other people’s stories.

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In this special episode, we’re sharing again one of our favorite conversations that we keep returning to. In 2019, GP and author Elizabeth Gilbert sat down in front of a live audience to talk about creativity as a tool for healing. They talked about grief, the connection between spirituality and the creative process, the power in fear, and how there are different ways to create in the world even if you do not see yourself as a creative person.

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Casper ter Kuile is the author of The Power of Ritual, which explores how people find meaning and connection through community and everyday practices. He joins Cleo Wade today to talk through what he's uncovered in his work on belonging, the difference between religion and spirituality, and why small groups can be a powerful force for personal and collective transformation.

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Julius Few, MD, is a top plastic surgeon known for his subtle approach. He joins GP today to answer her questions on aging, longevity, the future of the facelift, and non-surgical advancements he's excited about. They talk about their collaboration on goop's new Youth-Boost Peptide Serum, and Few shares his perspective on popular trends and the emotional side of cosmetic surgery.

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Author and interior designer Athena Calderone is the internet's go-to resource for hosting tips, recipes, and advice on turning a house into a haven. Today, Calderone joins her friend Cleo Wade to talk about taking risks, combating imposter syndrome, the early days of her lifestyle website EyeSwoon, and simple ways to infuse more feeling into our homes.

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The Shine Bright School founder speaks with GP about internalized beliefs they’ve explored in their lives, friendships between Black and White women, and what propels us out of a shame spiral and into healing and action. (To go deeper, sign up for an online anti-racism course at ShineBrightSchool.com—you might begin with Unity Over Comfort.)

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Tara Mohr is a career coach and the author of Playing Big. In this special episode, Mohr guides us through an audio workshop on breaking free from our inner critic. (And she explains why the solution is not developing more confidence.) She shares four practical tools to use in the moment when self-doubt arises and teaches us how to change the narrative. (For more on inner critic work, head to Mohr's website.)

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Leah Thomas is the author of The Intersectional Environmentalist and the founder of a nonprofit that focuses on climate education, advocacy, and inclusivity in environmentalism work. She joins Cleo Wade to talk about why social justice is critical to solving climate change, how she stays optimistic about the future, and what we can do to widen our perspective and do less harm on a personal level.

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Aminatou Sow is the New York Times–bestselling author of Big Friendship, which she co-wrote with her best friend Ann Friedman. In today's conversation with Cleo Wade, Sow reflects on how going to therapy with Friedman helped them emerge as different but deeper friends. Sow also talks through friendship endings, and she shares her advice for creating new friendships and celebrating our bonds together.

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Katrina Lake is the founder, interim CEO, and executive chairperson of Stitch Fix, an online personal shopping service where human stylists and algorithms curate clothing for you. Today, Lake joins GP to talk about how she pushed through moments of doubt to become the youngest woman to take a company public. They talk about rejection, mentors, navigating different leadership styles, and how to approach difficult conversations at work.

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Nedra Glover Tawwab, the New York Times-bestselling author of Set Boundaries, Find Peace and Drama Free, joins Cleo Wade to share her wisdom and practical advice on navigating families, friendship, work, and therapy. They talk about what is at the root of jealousy, how to normalize anger, and strategies for creating healthy boundaries with teenagers.

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In Bruce Feiler's latest book, The Search: Finding Meaningful Work in a Post-Career World, he explores how people navigate through "workquakes," or work transitions, drawing from hundreds of real life stories from people across the country. He joins GP to talk about why we've been inculcated with the idea that there is a linear path to success and why it's time to rethink what it means to have a career. He shares his insights on how people can move through periods of change with purpose and clarity, and the questions to ask to find the work we want.

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Rachel Cargle is an activist and the author of A Renaissance of Our Own: A Memoir and Manifesto on Reimagining. Today, she joins Cleo Wade to talk about the personal transformation that changed the course of her life. They explore the power of rest, ways to deepen our relationship to our body, and the beauty that comes with imagining what's possible for us—and the world.

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The iconic mother-daughter duo share the journey that led them from an unexpected health crisis to writing a book together: Honey, Baby, Mine. They chat with cohost Cleo Wade about why we tend to wear masks with the people closest to us, and how they gathered the courage to have honest conversations with each other.

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Peter Attia received his medical degree from Stanford University School of Medicine, trained for five years at Johns Hopkins Hospital in general surgery, and spent two years with NIH as a surgical oncology fellow at the National Cancer Institute. He is the founder of Early Medical, a medical practice focused on lifespan and healthspan, the host of The Drive podcast, and author of the #1 New York Times–bestseller Outlive. Today, Attia explains how to mitigate cognitive decline, the technologies he’s most excited about, and ways to optimize your sleep and exercise routines.

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Cleo Wade catches up with actor, producer, and director Sanaa Lathan. They chat about having gut instincts in friendships, how a spiritual guide changed the trajectory of Lathan’s career, why she resists being called a role model, and the force of gratitude in their lives.

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“The love that can be between two people is actually a powerful life force that can do tremendous things if you circle it back out again,” says poet and memoirist Elizabeth Alexander. Alexander is the president of the Mellon Foundation, which is the largest funder of arts, culture, and the humanities in America. She joins Cleo Wade to talk about keeping alive the work of the people who came before us, why creativity can be in service of our communities, and the difference between evolution and revolution.

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GP talks with the actor, producer, and now skin-care founder about what spurred her investigation into clean beauty, how she manages to stay off social media, and what she’s learned from marriage. And, yes, they reminisce about movie sets and their costars. For more, you can shop Johansson's skin-care line The Outset and learn how she gets her skin ready in under three minutes on goop.

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“So much of life is staying open to our own bewilderment,” says Cheryl Strayed. This week, Cleo Wade sits down with the Wild author to talk about the origins of her beloved advice column, Dear Sugar, and what she’s learned through writing about loss, connection, and self-forgiveness. (Tiny Beautiful Things, the show based on Strayed’s book, is out now on Hulu.)

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"That's the beauty of art," says Sade Lythcott. "It holds a mirror up to both your beauty and your pain, and it grabs you by the heart and hand and says, 'We can turn this into something beautiful.'" Lythcott is the CEO of the National Black Theater in New York. Today, she joins our new cohost Cleo Wade to talk about the power of storytelling, how grief can push us to harness our courage, and why honesty is a profound tool for self-care.

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Cleo Wade—poet, author, and new cohost of The goop Podcast—joins GP to talk about the threads that inspire her and keep her curious and creative. They talk about bringing awareness to blind spots, when anger is informative and when the emotion is hiding from you, and a liberating thing Wade says she has learned to do for herself. “Allow people to have their side of the story,” says Wade. Plus, GP asks Wade who she’s looking forward to having on the podcast and the conversations she most wants to explore. 

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In his new book, Gut Feelings: Healing the Shame-Fueled Relationship Between What You Eat and How You Feel, functional medicine practitioner Will Cole, IFMCP, DNM, DC, uses research and lessons gathered from his patients to illuminate the gut-brain connection and the relationship between our physical and emotional well-being. He joins GP today to talk about ways to nurture the nervous system, why eating gut-calming foods can help with mental health, and the process Cole takes his patients through to help them reconnect with their body and trust their gut instinct again. (For more, sign up for a live virtual conversation with GP and Cole—your ticket from Penguin Bookshop includes a copy of the book.)

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GP and Kerry Washington sat down in front of a live audience to talk about the impetus behind Washington’s new Hulu series, UnPrisoned. They chatted about searching for our blind spots, father-daughter dynamics, their high school days, and the moment Washington realized she needed to become the protagonist of her own journey.

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In Katherine May’s newest book, Enchantment: Awakening Wonder in an Anxious Age, she explores our deep disconnection from the world around us and how rediscovering wonder and awe can help us feel whole again. Today, May joins GP to talk about what happens when we find the humility to stay open and curious to the world around us. May shares how she’s learned to embrace the practice of fluidity, and she shares steps we can take to reconcile what isn’t in our control.

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This week's episode is guest hosted by Ambi Kavanagh, a sound healer, astrologer, life coach, and founder of Alchemy with Ambi. She joins us today to guide us through an immersive sound bath using her signature planetary gongs that are tuned to the frequencies of each planet. In this energetic meditation, Kavanagh invites us to slow down and clear our minds as we move through the next few weeks of the season.

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“I thought I had already failed at motherhood, and I did not even have a child yet,” says Jessica Grose, New York Times opinion writer and author of Screaming on the Inside: The Unsustainability of American Motherhood. Today, the parenting columnist joins Erica Chidi to share what she’s learned over the course of her career, examining the social, political, and economic issues intertwined with modern parenting. They talk about friendship, mom-influencers, and Grose’s vision for reimagining the way we support caregivers in this country.

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Whitney Wolfe Herd is the founder and CEO of Bumble, a female-focused dating app she launched in 2014 after leaving another popular dating app called Tinder (which she also founded). Today, she joins GP to talk about how her own experiences informed the way she designed Bumble, how she tends to her marriage and motherhood, the reason she believes people act the way they do online, and her vision for a different online future.

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Sophia Roe—James Beard award-winning chef and Emmy-nominated host of the food news show Counter Space—shares her personal journey into the culinary industry. Plus: her take on the future of food, the ingredient she predicts is going to take over, and where she loves to eat in New York City right now. 

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Danielle Prescod is the author of Token Black Girl, her memoir about her experiences as a Black woman in the beauty and fashion industry. She joins Erica Chidi to discuss how pop culture and media influenced her early self-identity, why she chose to write her story, and what changes Prescod hopes to see in the industry today.

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Maya Feller is a registered dietitian and author of the new goop press cookbook, Eating from Our Roots: 80+ Healthy Home-Cooked Favorites from Cultures Around the World. In this episode, Fellers shares her non-prescriptive approach to food and nutrition, baseline recommendations for cooking for chronic conditions, thoughts on intermittent fasting, and different ways to bring more joy and flavor into the kitchen. And, Feller and GP discuss the big questions and challenges surrounding healthy eating, privilege, and access. (For more from Feller and GP, tune into their conversation this Thursday, January 26—they'll be answering your questions in real time.)

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Myisha Battle, certified sex and dating coach and the author of This is Supposed to Be Fun, explains her inclusive and values-based approach to sex and dating. She shares her advice for cultivating authenticity, managing first-date burnout, and expressing and receiving your desires.

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Katy Perry visited GP at goop HQ, where they sat down with De Soi (Perry’s line of sparking non-alcoholic aperitifs) and spent some time catching up. They talked about spirituality, Perry’s path to wholeness, and how she came to define her purpose and center it around joy. They shared some of the lessons they’ve learned through therapy, what intimacy looks like in a true partnership—and GP gives Perry the piece of advice that she had yearned for at Perry’s age.

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In this special episode, psychological astrologer Jennifer Freed and intuition coach Mory Fontanez guide us through the astrological themes to expect in the new year. They share their advice for fostering meaningful relationships, a tool for repairing mistakes, and how to tap into your intuitive powers and connect with your inner wisdom.

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Kim Kardashian visited GP at goop HQ, where they sat down and talked about Kardashian’s inner life and how her adolescent years shaped the person she is today. GP asks her about how she manages social media with her children, what mornings and evenings in her household really look like, and if she sees herself getting married again.

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Roya Rastegar is an Iranian American academic and a founding member of the Iranian Diaspora Collective, which is a nonpartisan multifaith group amplifying the voices of Iranians in Iran. She joins GP to discuss the ongoing uprising being led by young Iranian women, why it’s not only about women’s rights but human rights everywhere, and actionable ways to support this critical movement.

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Melody Beattie is the bestselling author of Codependent No More (which she originally published in 1986 and updated in 2022). "I believe codependents are anyone who consistently love other people more—or to the detriment of loving themselves," says Beattie. "It's hard for codependents to consider their own needs as being valid, especially in the face of other people's needs." Beattie joins Erica Chidi today to explore the roots of codependency, how she first came to understand this term while working as an addiction counselor, and ways to manage codependent triggers.

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Joe Duran, head of Goldman Sachs Personal Financial Management, on his early life and how he reframed his thinking around happiness, success, and financial well-being. He talks about navigating setbacks, what to make of this current financial climate, and how to identify your money mind—a framework he and his team developed to help people articulate what matters to them.

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Cassie Holmes is a professor at UCLA’s Anderson School of Management and author of Happier Hour: How to Beat Distraction, Expand Your Time, and Focus on What Matters Most. In this episode, she explains why having more free time doesn’t necessarily make our lives more meaningful, and she shares strategies for reframing the hours that we do have so that they are more enjoyable, fulfilling, and productive.

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Chelsey Luger, coauthor of The Seven Circles: Indigenous Teachings for Living Well, on ancient Indigenous practices for well-being, more thoughtful ways to navigate cultural appropriation, and what we can all learn from our own ancestors. (Luger cowrote the book with her husband Thosh Collins and together they also started the Indigenous wellness initiative Well for Culture.)

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“Non-attachment says I can go for this thing, I can work as hard as I want to on it, but I’m also willing not to have it,” says legendary psychiatrist Phil Stutz. Stutz is known for his visualization exercises (called the tools) which he uses to help people overcome blocks to create lasting change. He joins GP to talk about why the tools work and how to tap into the invisible forces that collectively and individually move us forward. (After listening to this episode, be sure to watch Stutz, a new Netflix documentary directed by Jonah Hill about Stutz’s work.)

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Liz O’Donnell is an author and the founder of Working Daughter, a community for women navigating eldercare, career, family, relationships, and everything else in life. She joins cohost Erica Chidi to talk about being part of the sandwich generation that is caring for aging parents and growing children at the same time.

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GP catches up with her friend, actress Lake Bell. They talk about Bell’s fascination with the human voice and what she learned while researching her new audiobook, Inside Voice: My Obsession with How We Sound. In today’s conversation, GP and Bell unpack why we’re drawn to certain voices, the role that voice can play in gender and identity, the phenomenon known as the “sexy baby voice,” and why we hate listening to the sound of our own. 

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Liz Goldwyn is a filmmaker, the founder of The Sex Ed (an online community and podcast dedicated to sexual well-being), and an author (her latest book is Sex, Health & Consciousness). Goldwyn joins Erica Chidi to talk about how she reframed her thinking around sex and desire. They talk about intentional celibacy as a tool for self-discovery, mutual masturbation, how to increase your porn literacy, and what we can learn from the fetish community. And at the end of the episode, Goldwyn shares a meditation for connecting mind, body, and sexuality.

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“We all have the opportunity to unlock our personal traits that we may have discounted,” says Julia Boorstin, CNBC’s senior media and tech correspondent and author of When Women Lead. For her book, Boorstin interviewed many women leaders, GP among them. In her reporting, Boorstin found that successful female leaders shared a few common threads that helped them push through male-dominated industries. She shares these threads—and how we can all incorporate them into our daily lives to make them more meaningful.

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Shilpa Ravella is a transplant gastroenterologist and the author of A Silent Fire: The Story of Inflammation, Diet, and Disease, which explores the role of chronic inflammation in today’s diseases. She joins Erica Chidi to talk about how the modern diet and our current environment, including stress and trauma, could be impacting us. And Ravella shares the dietary and lifestyle practices that could be beneficial for both human and planetary health.

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In today’s episode, GP is joined by psychological astrologer Jennifer Freed, PhD. Freed is the author of the new book A Map to Your Soul. In it, she explores how using the astrology of fire, earth, air, and water can help us live in alignment with our authentic selves—which Freed calls living a fully expressed life. GP and Freed talk about why we generally fear speaking our truth, the journey into self-acceptance, big friendship, romantic chemistry, and how to negotiate the different parts of ourselves. Last, Freed shares a preview for what’s coming in 2023. For more, join GP and Freed for a virtual event on October 11.

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GP sat down with her husband, Brad Falchuk, to talk about turning 50. Falchuk shares his perspective on navigating milestones and changes as we age. They reflect on what their parents were like when they were 50 and how their own children have recontextualized their lives. They discuss stepparenting, reinventing second marriages, grief, and what they’re both looking forward to in their next chapter together.

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Julie and John Gottman are renowned marriage experts and the cofounders of the Gottman Institute, where they provide couples with the tools to help them get their partnerships back on track. In their new book, The Love Prescription, the Gottmans share their research-based approach for strengthening relationships. They join Erica Chidi to talk about the small yet effective shifts that can help increase intimacy and connection over seven days. 

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“Healing is becoming whole,” says Gabor Maté, MD. “You can cure something without that person becoming whole. Sometimes people become whole without being cured.” The acclaimed author is back with a new book, The Myth of Normal, which explores the links between illness, chronic stress, and our cultural and physical environments. He joins Erica Chidi to recontextualize the path toward health and healing.

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“Parents don’t repair with their kids because they’re in such a shame spiral,” says clinical psychologist Becky Kennedy. “But until you can find your own goodness under your latest bad behavior, you cannot go to your child from a place of generosity and connection.” Kennedy is a sought-after parenting coach, the founder of the global parenting community Good Inside, and author of Good Inside: A Guide to Becoming the Parent You Want to Be. She joins GP to talk about conscious parenting, what’s at the root of projection, and how we can break free from self-doubt and work toward connection and empathy.

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“The majority of learning I really believe happens outside of the classroom,” says Kat Cohen. “And you have to be surrounded by people who are different from you to expand your mind.” Cohen is an independent university admissions counselor and the founder of Ivywise, an educational consulting company that is helping to demystify the college admissions experience. She joins GP today to talk about the current landscape and her holistic approach to counseling students and families as they prepare for college and beyond.

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Nedra Glover Tawwab is a licensed therapist and the New York Times-bestselling author of Set Boundaries, Find Peace: A Guide to Reclaiming Yourself. She joins Erica Chidi to discuss the importance of maintaining boundaries, how to get comfortable advocating for yourself, and strategies for setting boundaries with our families. “The boundary is the space for you to stand up for yourself, assert your needs, and speak your values to the other people in your life,” says Tawwab. (In case you missed it: GP shared her latest skin care secret at the end of the episode. Head here to take 15 percent off our new Sleep Milk—and more goop beauty products—using code SLEEPMILK15. Valid August 9 through September 9, 2022. Full terms and conditions available here.)

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Integrative dietician and menopause expert Esther Blum joins GP today to talk about her approach for treating women during menopause. Blum shares her nutrition-based perspective on perimenopause and menopause, and her advice on treatment options, lifestyle recommendations, and ways to advocate for yourself through the process. After you listen, preorder Blum’s new book, See Ya Later, Ovulator, which comes out on October 4.

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Chantel Prat is a brain researcher, a professor at the University of Washington, and the author of The Neuroscience of You: How Every Brain is Different and How to Understand Yours. She joins Erica Chidi to talk about how to better understand our individual brain strengths and why embracing our different brains can help open us up to more connection and understanding. Prat also breaks down what’s true and not true about left- and right-brained thinking, the best way to care for our brains as we age, and the benefits of bilingualism.

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“All societies have drugs that they’re okay with and they draw these lines and they draw them in ways that can seem very arbitrary,” says Michael Pollan, New York Times–bestselling author of This Is Your Mind on Your Plants and host of the new Netflix series, How to Change Your Mind. GP interviewed Pollan about the relationship between humans and plants and how he initially became interested in psychoactive plants as an avid gardener. They talk about the value of caffeine, what surprised Pollan while studying opium, what was unearthed for him during a powerful psilocybin experience, and why he believes MDMA is useful for couple's therapy.

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“No one ever asked me if I was happy,” says Selma Blair. “And it’s such a big question.” The actress and author of the new memoir Mean Baby joins GP to talk about the journey that led to Blair’s multiple sclerosis diagnosis and how she’s come to embrace change at fifty. Blair explains how she found healing through books and writing, how she’s learned to be kinder to her younger self, and the forces that have shaped her as a mother.

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“We don’t talk about this stage of life as being an exquisitely vulnerable time,” says psychotherapist Satya Doyle Byock, author of Quarterlife: The Search for Self in Early Adulthood. She joins Erica Chidi to talk about why society tends to overlook people in their early twenties and thirties and how to better support the transition into adulthood. They discuss historical examples of the quarterlife experience, and Byock shares her roadmap for navigating this period.

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“The reason that I get so excited about future thinking and helping people play with future scenarios is that those are the habits that keep our mind unstuck,” says future forecaster, game designer, and author Jane McGonigal. In her book, Imaginable: How to See the Future Coming and Feel Ready for Anything, McGonigal shares tools—and games—for envisioning the future before it arrives. She and GP talk about the signals that shape change (and how to spot them yourself) and why video games have the potential to help us heal. Toward the end, McGonigal shares what gives her hope for the future and her predictions on what we should be paying attention to in the next ten years.

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Erica Chidi is joined by comedian Catherine Cohen, author of God I Feel Modern Tonight. Cohen’s debut Netflix comedy special, The Twist…? She’s Gorgeous, is a cabaret-inspired performance exploring the often cringe-worthy millennial experience. In this episode, Chidi and Cohen talk about how Cohen learned to get comfortable making fun of herself. They also discuss wellness routines, what makes Cohen feel most vulnerable, and why it’s okay to be bored sometimes. 

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Erica Chidi is joined by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Matt Richtel, author of Inspired: Understanding Creativity—A Journey through Art, Science, and the Soul. They talk about where creativity comes from, how to harness it, and why the creative process is often embedded with fear. Richtel explains that the fear begins early—around the fourth grade—when kids start internalizing what society deems as right and wrong. They close by discussing the value of mind-wandering and why creativity matters. “It is nature’s way of encouraging us to break through the status quo,” says Richtel.

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Phillip Picardi is known in part for his work as an award-winning journalist and editor. He rebranded Teen Vogue (where he became the chief content officer at age twenty-six) and he launched and founded Them, a community-driven platform for LGBTQ+ youth. After years of working in journalism, Picardi decided to go back to school—Harvard Divinity School, where he just received his master’s degree in religion and public life. In this episode, GP and Picardi talk about why he decided to re-examine his relationship to Christianity, the duality between his identity and his faith, and what galvanizes his beliefs today. They end with a game: Picardi puts GP to the test with Pride Month trivia questions.

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In Fariha Roísín’s book, Who Is Wellness For, she explores how wellness culture has been distilled and commodified from the cultural traditions of Black, Brown, and Indigenous people. Today, she joins Erica Chidi to discuss her path through wellness, how we can care for ourselves and be in relationship to one another, and how we can invest in both individual healing and the collective well-being of our planet and our people.

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“I teach people how to put themselves aside and listen and respond with generosity,” says therapist Terry Real. “Our culture doesn’t teach us how to do these things. We have to learn them.” In this open conversation with GP, Real explains why individualism and patriarchy has damaged our ability to be in healthy and loving relationships. They talk about why it’s important for couples to take each other on, and Real shares his honest advice for how we can shift ourselves, our partners, and our collective culture toward more openness and compassion. Real’s new book, Us: Getting Past You & Me to Build a More Loving Relationship, is out today.

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Kourtney Kardashian joins GP to talk about what shaped her life before she and her family ever appeared on television. They discuss blended family dynamics, what Kardashian turns to her husband Travis Barker for, the one thing she regrets being filmed, and how she and GP feel about the comparisons that have been made between goop and poosh. P.S. If you haven’t heard, the pair also teamed up to create a limited-edition candle—and it’s called This Smells Like My Pooshy.

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“The last eight years I shifted into another gear,” says Cameron Diaz. “I went in and did some really deep, personal healing.” In this conversation between two friends, GP and Diaz talk about the mechanisms they use for self-protection, why aging is a mindset, and how they’re approaching their fifties together. Diaz explains why she’s given herself permission to honor her instincts and how GP finally convinced her to be a mother.

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Kelly McDaniel is a licensed professional counselor and the author of Mother Hunger: How Adult Daughters Can Understand and Heal from Lost Nurturance. In this conversation, McDaniel joins cohost Erica Chidi to talk about the experience of yearning for maternal love. McDaniel explains how this type of longing impacts our sense of self and other types of relationships as we become adults. “Depending on what we each did to earn our mother’s love—what we end up doing is duplicating that with friendships, in romantic partnerships, and sometimes at work,” says McDaniel.

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In this special episode, psychotherapists and collaborators Barry Michels (New York Times–bestselling coauthor of The Tools) and Kristan Sargeant guide us through exercises designed to help us connect with our shadow. The shadow, as they explain it, is an often maligned part of your personality that has the potential to change your life in unexpected ways. “You can have intimacy with a part of yourself that you've been judging, abandoning, neglecting, denying,” says Sargeant. “That allows you to take on challenges and take risks and actualize on hunches and inclinations and dreams and desires that are percolating inside of you but you can't quite find the courage or clarity to pull the trigger on.” To go deeper, check out the week-long workshop Michels and Sargeant are hosting this July.

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GP catches up with her good friend, actress and author Ali Wentworth. They chat about their daughters (they're best friends), and GP asks Wentworth for advice on how to cope when Apple leaves for college. Wentworth shares what has fueled her marriage over the years, and she explains how humor became her currency growing up and how she uses it during dark times. After you listen, preorder Wentworth's hilarious new book, Ali's Well that Ends Well, which comes out May 10.

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Alok Vaid-Menon is a writer, performer, public speaker, and the author of Beyond the Gender Binary, which examines gender fluidity and why the binary hurts us all. Vaid-Menon joins GP to discuss their journey as a nonbinary artist, how they’ve reclaimed their peace, and why it’s important to become familiar with your pain. “It’s actually through doing this intimate work of self-discovery and self-acceptance that we unlock a deep sense of community and interconnectivity. That’s what happened in my life,” says Vaid-Menon.

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GP is joined by a new friend, author Fanny Singer, for a special conversation (originally hosted by Book Passage) about Singer's book Always Home. They talk about what it was like to both grow up with famous mothers (Singer is the daughter of Alice Waters, the food icon and chef behind Chez Panisse). And Singer shares why she’s finally given herself permission to engage with her mother’s work. They chat about the connection between art and food, where they find beauty, and what cooking—and sharing—a meal means to them.

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Edwina von Gal is a landscape designer and the founder of the Perfect Earth Project and Two Thirds for the Birds, two nonprofits raising awareness around the positive environmental impact of low-intervention lawns and bird-friendly landscapes. In this conversation, von Gal joins GP to discuss what we can do to take care of the ecosystems that we often overlook in our own backyard. “Nature is not really messy,” says von Gal. “Nature is highly complex. And the more you begin to read that complexity, that more you learn about it.”

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Kimberly Johnson is a trauma educator, somatic guide, and the author of Call of the Wild: How We Heal Trauma, Awaken Our Own Power, and Use It For Good. She shares practices for understanding—and befriending—our nervous system. And she explains her approach to unpacking what our body is telling us, how sound can be used for healing, and why simple things (such as moving your body or connecting with others) can be therapeutic. “Our tendency is to believe that everything is a ‘me’ problem when it’s actually a ‘we’ problem,” says Johnson.

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“For me growing up, the dark skinned women who had a spotlight or were celebrated had to be exceedingly, almost super humanely beautiful,” says culture and film critic Zeba Blay. “You couldn’t just be a pretty dark skinned Black girl.” In Carefree Black Girls, Blay explores the impact Black women have had on popular culture throughout history—and how pop culture has shaped Black womanhood. In this conversation, Blay and Erica Chidi talk about representation and colorism in Hollywood. Blay also explains what it means to be a carefree Black girl, where joy comes from, and why she decided to speak openly about mental health.

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In Sacred Rest, Saundra Dalton-Smith, MD, proposes the idea that there are seven different types of rest. Dalton-Smith says that sometimes the reason we can’t seem to replenish our energy is because we aren’t getting the kind of rest we need. In this episode she explains the characteristics of each and talks with GP about how to maintain healthy boundaries around work, relationships, and technology. “If you’re not intentionally filling back up, that’s probably a place of deficit,” says Dalton-Smith.

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“We're really indoctrinated with the idea that mental health issues are this genetically determined chemical imbalance,” says holistic psychiatrist Ellen Vora. “And that plays a role. I don't deny that, but it's not the whole story.” Vora’s new book, The Anatomy of Anxiety, explores holistic strategies for supporting our mental health, from nutrition to sleep to herbs and supplements. She joins Erica Chidi to talk about identifying what’s at the root of our anxiety, why it’s a whole-body condition, and the connection between menstrual cycles, hormones, and anxiety.

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“So often I see women come into nonmonogamy better equipped to have difficult conversations,” says Jessica Fern, author of Polysecure: Attachment, Trauma, and Consensual Nonmonogamy. Fern is a psychotherapist who specializes in providing support for individuals, couples, and people in multiple-partner relationships. She joins Erica Chidi to discuss what makes nonmonogamy work. They talk about attachment theory, how it relates to nonmonogamous relationships, and how to develop a secure relationship—with yourself, for starters.

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GP is joined by award-winning actor, singer, director, composer, and playwright Billy Porter. In this intimate and vulnerable conversation, Porter tells pieces of his life story—the moment he challenged himself to live authentically, what’s inspired his art, therapies he’s found useful in a nonlinear path toward healing, roles that have been difficult and joyful. Please note this episode covers sexual abuse that may be triggering for some. Please take care while listening. For more from Porter, see his memoir Unprotected.

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Kathleen Nadeau is a clinical psychologist and the founder and director of the Chesapeake Center for ADHD Learning and Behavioral Health in Maryland. She joins GP today to discuss how ADHD is often overlooked in young women and girls and why she believes that the name, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, is a misnomer. Nadeau explains how symptoms can differ between boys and girls, why women aren’t diagnosed as early as men, and she shares her advice for how parents can support their children through ADHD and beyond.  

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Erica Chidi is joined by spiritual teacher and #1 New York Times–bestselling author Gabby Bernstein. Bernstein’s new book, Happy Days, explores her journey navigating through trauma and the path that led to healing. In this conversation, Bernstein talks about what it means to feel safe in your body, how to build a framework for excavating your inner wisdom, and her tools for identifying and processing triggers. After you listen, preorder Bernstein’s book, which comes out on February 22.

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Patrisse Cullors is an artist, abolitionist, author, and former executive director of Black Lives Matter Global Network, the movement she cofounded in 2013. In her book, An Abolitionist's Handbook: 12 Steps to Change Yourself and the World, Cullors outlines a compassionate roadmap for reform and building families, homes, and communities of care. She talks about moving past cancel and carceral culture, how to have courageous conversations, and how to approach abolition as an everyday practice.

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Valerie Kanter, DMD, MS, is a third-generation dentist and a board-certified endodontist who specializes in biological and integrative dentistry. She joins GP (who is one of Kanter's patients) to discuss how our oral health can impact our overall health and well-being. Kanter explains her advanced approach to root canals, the technology she uses to diagnose and treat an infection, how to thoroughly clean your teeth at home, and what often gets overlooked in the mouth.

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Khiara Bridges is a professor at the University of California, Berkeley, School of Law where she studies the intersection of race, class, and reproductive rights and justice. In this episode, Bridges joins Erica Chidi to explain the current state of reproductive laws in America, the impact of Roe v. Wade, and why it could be overturned by the Supreme Court. She talks about what this decision could mean for our constitutional rights, who it disproportionately impacts, and what else we lose if we lose the ability to protect people from forced pregnancies. As Bridges explains, this is about much more than abortion access. (To help raise awareness and support the ACLU Foundation’s Reproductive Freedom Project, we launched a new limited-edition candle—you can learn more about it and find more reproductive justice resources here.)

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Michael Rubino is a mold remediator known for the unique way he helps people identify and remove mold from their homes. His book, The Mold Medic, explores the remediation process, including where to start if you suspect you may have a mold-related issue. Today, Rubino joins GP to talk about how the environment inside our homes can impact our health. He explains what makes a home susceptible to mold growth, why it’s often invisible or difficult to detect, and what we can do to improve the air quality of our homes.

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Robin Berzin, MD, is the founder and CEO of the functional medicine practice Parsley Health and the author of State Change. In her book, Berzin maps out a program for optimizing health. She explores five key factors—from nutrition to exercise and sleep—that impact our mental health, immunity, and overall energy. Today, she joins Erica Chidi to talk about the shifts that can help us feel our best and live with more vibrancy and ease.

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“We all have different parts of us that show up differently as we orient through our life,” says Amy Crawford, a therapist, educator, and trauma recovery coach. In this conversation, Crawford and GP discuss a therapy model called Internal Family Systems, which, in very simplified terms, is based on the idea that each of us is made up of many parts. By connecting and changing our relationship to those parts, we can begin to understand our true and authentic selves—and live more vibrant lives—says Crawford.

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“The more universal you try to make something, the less meaning it has,” says Stanley Tucci. “The more specific something is, the more universal it becomes.” GP catches up with Tucci to talk about threading together different passions and the transcendent places food can take us. Tucci talks about his family, his memoir Taste, and recovering from cancer while filming a food and travel series. This one made us laugh.

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“There's no real guidance about being intentional with identifying and processing our emotions because in a lot of cases, our parents don't know how to identify and process their own,” says Ashley C. Ford. Ford is the bestselling author of Somebody’s Daughter, a memoir about childhood, family, love, and forgiveness. Ford joins Erica Chidi to talk about growing up with fractured familial relationships and the complex and sometimes isolated nature of girlhood. She talks about how girls learn to betray themselves and how they are often conditioned to be “good” and silent. And Ford says that forgiveness means accepting what’s true instead of clinging to what we can’t—and don’t need to—control.

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“We have a societal image problem with sleep,” says scientist Matthew Walker, PhD. GP sat down with Walker at our In goop Health wellness summit to talk about why so many of us struggle with this essential pillar of our well-being. He discusses how sleep—and lack of it—impacts our health, our emotions, and our communities. Walker shares the scientific findings from his compelling research, and he leaves us with simple and practice advice for getting the best night of rest.

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Sara Nasserzadeh, PhD, is a social psychologist who sees both couples and individuals in her Los Angeles-based practice. She joins Erica Chidi to talk about what happens when you’re at the end of a relationship, how to navigate a divorce, and how to start or sustain a long-term partnership along the way. Nasserzadeh believes our definition of love needs to be flipped on its head. She shares a new way of thinking about and experiencing different kind of loves, which is all part of her emergent love model. Keep listening until the end for a practical exercise to help you move through the end of the year and evaluate what to take and what to leave behind.

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“I don’t think that anybody needs to get braver or better,” says Glennon Doyle. “I think we all just have to see who we actually are so that we can marvel at how strong and brave we already are.” The New York Times-bestselling author joins cohost Erica Chidi to talk about her new book, Get Untamed. Today, they discuss different ways to release emotions, how to begin excavating our inner truths, and what we misunderstand about shame.

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“The relationship you have with yourself will always be the best relationship you could ever have in the world,” says Jay Shetty. The purpose coach and author of Think Like a Monk joined GP on stage at In goop Health. They talked about redirection, finding stillness in discomfort, and why knowing ourselves intimately gives us more grace to engage with others.

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Intimacy coach Amina Peterson (one of the featured experts on our Netflix show Sex, Love & goop) wants us to acknowledge that sex is how we play as adults. And she wants us to expand what we think of as sex and play. Peterson shares practices that combine lightness and playfulness with admiration and adoration. These acts remind us that sacred is not synonymous with serious and somber. One example is mirror work, the practice of looking in the mirror and really seeing yourself. If that sounds intimidating, keep listening. And if you’re looking for more pleasure tools, see our new intimacy toolkit.

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Darshana Avila—one of the featured experts in our new Netflix show, Sex, Love & goop—describes herself as an erotic wholeness coach. She believes that many of us have been conditioned to compartmentalize or fragment pieces of ourselves. And so often, it’s the sexual piece that is most siloed. Through her work, Avila helps us to look at and embrace the full spectrum of ourselves. Part of what makes her work so valuable is the space she creates for people to cultivate intimacy first with themselves. This, Avila says, is about knowing your own body, your heart, your trauma history, your attachment style, and what lights you up in a relationship. In this episode, GP and Avila talk about how you can begin exploring it all.

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Robin DiAngelo is a lecturer on issues of racial and social justice and the bestselling author of White Fragility. In her most recent book, Nice Racism, she explores why well-meaning White progressives perceive themselves as being past racism—and why this has devastating consequences. In today’s episode with Erica Chidi, the pair share strong and soft tools for engaging in difficult, beautiful, and potentially life-changing conversations like this one.

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Samantha Boardman is a psychiatrist who focuses on optimism, building resilience, and mental well-being. Her new book, Everyday Vitality, explores how to find strength amid daily stressors. Today, she joins Erica Chidi to talk about the three keys to cultivating vitality, and she shares her tips for managing micro-stressors and what to do the next time you find yourself ruminating or stuck in a negative self-talk loop. Boardman also explains how connection, community, and deliberate action fosters meaning in our lives and why positive psychology isn’t just about thinking optimistically. “I’m actually a big believer in negative emotion. We have to use them and learn from them,” she says.

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“Every cell in our body is wired for pleasure,” says somatic sexologist and educator Jaiya. “And I believe pleasure is our birthright and it’s part of what brings us our liveliness and our connection and our intimacy with this world and with life.” In this special episode with GP, Jaiya—who is one of the experts on our new Netflix show, Sex, Love & goop—explains why she believes sexual incompatibility is a myth. Jaiya’s developed something called the erotic blueprint, which helps people discover their specific arousal language: sensual, kinky, sexual, energetic, or shapeshifter. They talk about why so many of us are disconnected from their bodies. Jaiya shares what it’s like to have an energetic orgasm—and the pleasure we’re capable of feeling when we’re willing to expand our definition of sex.

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“Healing is like my middle name,” says Alexandra Elle, author of After the Rain: Gentle Reminders of Healing, Courage, and Self-Care. Elle joins Erica Chidi to talk about what it means to nurture your inner child and find a way back to yourself again. They explore the trap of comparison and how to unearth the lessons and the beauty in life’s most difficult moments. “I don’t think we give ourselves enough room or space to reflect on the fact that we are still here, and in that is a celebration,” says Elle.

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“We all share the universal experience of having been born,” says design historian Amber Winick and co-author of Designing Motherhood: Things That Make and Break Our Births. In the book, Winick and co-author Michelle Fisher explore how designs, from the menstrual cup to the breast pump and baby blankets, have impacted and shaped the human reproductive experience over the last century. In this episode, Erica Chidi and the authors discuss how cultural gatekeepers impact the way we think of womanhood, who participates in conversations about different forms of mothering, and how we value (and devalue) the feminine.

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They’re back: GP catches up with Erica Chidi, CEO and cofounder of LOOM and cohost of The goop Podcast. They reflect on some big takeaways they’ve had in the past year at work and at home, how they’re learning to pause and connect with themselves, the value of an orgasm, what they’re listening to, and other things they’re excited about right now.

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GP is joined by Ella Bell Smith and Stella Nkomo, coauthors of Our Separate Ways: Black and White Women and the Struggle for Professional Identity. Based on groundbreaking research, the book uncovers how race and gender shape our workplaces, careers, and relationships with our colleagues. Today, GP, Smith, and Nkomo discuss their recently updated book and how our understanding of race, gender, class, and power has changed—and stalled—over the last twenty years. The authors share what makes them hopeful today. And they explain their approach to engaging in complex conversations and executing structural and cultural shifts that have the power to rebuild our workplaces and communities.

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James Gordon is a psychiatrist, the founder and director of the Center for Mind-Body Medicine, and author ofThe Transformation. He has a simple meditation technique called soft-belly breathing that we frequently return to for releasing stress and grounding in the present moment. In this special workshop, Gordon explains how and why his technique works, and you’ll get to try it for yourself.  

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Erica Chidi is joined by sex expert and psychotherapist Esther Perel. They talk about Perel’s new game, Where Should We Begin, which is a deck of cards she designed to help people start meaningful conversations with each other. Perel shares why playfulness is important to cultivate as adults and how our stories can recharge and connect us.

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“If I saw the vulnerability of other people, it almost canceled out the ways that they could be harmful to me,” says Melissa Febos, author of Girlhood. Today, she joins cohost Erica Chidi to talk about the journey through adolescence into adulthood and its lasting impact on who we are and how we see the world. Febos shares how she learned to move past shame, and they talk about the narratives women receive about pleasure, consent, intimacy, and exploration.

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GP is joined by entrepreneur and cryptocurrency expert Sophie Wiberg Holm (who has been tutoring GP for a bit). Holm is a co-founder at Address Capital, a digital assets investment firm, and the host of I Also Want Money, a podcast that explores women’s relationship to money and ways to democratize wealth. Today, they discuss the rapidly changing landscape of digital currency, how NFTs work, and the long-term upsides of investing in cryptocurrency.

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Elinor Cleghorn is a writer, researcher, and author of the book, Unwell Women. Today, Cleghorn and cohost Erica Chidi explore the misdiagnosis and mistreatment of women’s health issues throughout history, including Cleghorn’s own experience with chronic illness. Her symptoms were dismissed for many years before she was diagnosed with lupus, which prompted her to take a deeper look at the ways medicine has failed women and what a more just and effective system might look like. 

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It’s been a while. As requested, GP returns to do a lightning round of AMA, where she answers a handful of listener-submitted questions. How would those close to you describe you? What are you least confident about? Dating advice? Favorite concert? And more.

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There’s a lot of complexity that we tend to overlook about the power of our voice, says John Colapinto. Colapinto is a journalist and the author of This Is the Voice, which explores the biology of human speech, spanning from how babies learn to make sounds to the relatively recent rise of vocal fry. Today, he joins co-host Erica Chidi to talk about the vocal injury that inspired him to find out what we learn from each other and society through our voice alone. 

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GP catches up with Alicia Keys to talk about her relationships, motherhood as a multihyphenate artist, where creativity comes from, and how to respect our imperfections and flaws. “I don’t like the word ‘perfect’,” says Keys. “It connects us a little bit more when we’re able to share our mistakes or when you’re able to hear something that’s not exactly perfect.” They also discuss the launch of Keys Soulcare, her lifestyle beauty brand, and she shares her approach to incorporating rituals and moments of stillness into our everyday routines.

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Alua Arthur is a death doula and the founder of Going with Grace, an end-of-life planning and death doula training organization. Arthur, who was previously an attorney, has helped thousands of people explore and move through the end-of-life process. Today, she joins cohost Erica Chidi to talk about the beauty and satisfaction that comes with making space for both grief and joy. They discuss the differences between a good and ideal death, getting comfortable with what’s dying and dead in our daily life, practical ways to prepare for death (which Arthur manages to make exciting), natural burials, and celebrating our most human experiences.

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Tracy Clark-Flory is a senior staff writer at Jezebel and author of Want Me: A Sex Writer’s Journey Into the Heart of Desire. Her book explores the messages we receive from society about sex, intimacy, and pleasure and how this shapes our sexual lives and identities. She explains how sexual empowerment has been watered down and twisted into an individualistic approach and why it’s critical to think of the larger cultural and collective context. Today, she also talks about orgasms, porn, reckoning feminist values with sexual fantasies, and how sharing our experiences can be transformational and help us broaden the conversation around sex and our bodies. 

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“What’s great about great players is their mind,” says Venus Williams. GP chatted with Williams, who was in Paris on the heels of the French Open. They talk about Williams’ perspective on competition, where her drive comes from, and what drew her to her many ventures (which include an interior design firm, lifestyle and activewear brand, personal care products, and a plant-based protein company). Williams also shares stories about her childhood, what it was like growing up with four sisters, and the values that her parents instilled in her at a young age. The tail end of the conversation is about what Williams hopes to do now—and next. “I’ve always just been a person who’s happy where I am,” says Williams. “Even when you’re looking forward to the future, what about enjoying your now?”

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“I find it so confounding when leaders are uninterested in having their people’s experiences in the work—because how boring is that?” asks Bozoma Saint John, global chief marketing officer at Netflix. In this conversation with GP, Saint John shares some of her own extraordinary life story, why she believes that everyone has a powerful story within them, and how you can recognize the value of yours. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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Cohost Erica Chidi is joined by Tara Brach, a clinical psychologist, spiritual meditation teacher, and author. Brach’s new book, Trusting the Gold: Uncovering Your Natural Goodness, explores the fundamental value of connection and how to recognize the value in ourselves. Today, they discuss how to deepen our sense of compassion as we move through difficult times. They talk about interconnectedness, how to cultivate a sustainable meditation practice, and why seeing the good in others doesn’t mean ignoring the reality of our lived experiences. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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Taz Bhatia, MD, is a board-certified integrative medicine physician, author, and the founder of the functional medicine practice, CentreSpringMD. She helps patients navigate their health journey by drawing from different systems of medicine, including Ayurveda and traditional Chinese medicine. Today, she joins GP to talk about perimenopause and menopause. They talk through what happens when our body begins perimenopause, the factors that influence our hormones, and what we can do to support our body while navigating—and enjoying—these stages of life. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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Cohost Erica Chidi is joined by the coauthors of Data Feminism: Catherine D’Ignazio (an assistant professor of urban science and planning at MIT) and Lauren F. Klein (an associate professor of English and quantitative theory and methods at Emory University). They explore the limits and uses of data, how data can reinforce and challenge systems of power, and how bad or missing data can hurt women. “We need to be assuming that these structural forces of oppression are going to show up in our data and our databases in the same ways that they show up in our policies and our institutions,” says D’Ignazio. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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Emeran Mayer, MD, PhD, is a gastroenterologist, a neuroscientist, and an author. At UCLA, he serves as the executive director of the G. Oppenheimer Center for Neurobiology of Stress and Resilience and as the codirector of the Digestive Diseases Research Center. He has spent over forty years studying the interactions between the brain and the gut and the rest of the body. Today, he shares the most significant research and actionable tips from his new book, The Gut-Immune Connection. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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“Social inequity is probably the biggest driver of health,” says Lindo Bacon, PhD, author of Health at Every Size, Body Respect, and Radical Belonging. “And if we don’t address the social determinants of health, then we end up blaming the individuals and putting the onus on them when that’s so false and it’s shaming of people.” Bacon is a nutritionist, researcher, and an intersectional body liberation advocate. Today, Bacon joins co-host Erica Chidi to examine the relationship between health and weight, how healthcare practitioners can move beyond weight loss as a solution, and why radical belonging, equity, and connection are matters of personal and public health. “Self-love is a beautiful thing, but no matter how much you love yourself, when you go into a culture that doesn’t treat you well, it’s going to be hard to feel good about yourself,” says Lindo.

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Carl Hart, PhD, is the psychology department chair at Columbia University and the author of Drug Use for Grown-Ups. In his book, Hart makes the case for the legalization and regulation of all drugs, drawing on decades of scientific research, history, and his own experiences. Today, he joins co-host Erica Chidi to share his approach—which may surprise and challenge you. They discuss the narratives that have shaped public thinking and why it’s difficult to talk about drug use. Hart also shares how his own perspective shifted when he was studying the effects of drug use on the brain and why he believes decriminalization is only the first step toward a more hospitable society. 

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Psychologist and bestselling author Edith Eger’s book, The Gift: 12 Lessons to Save Your Life, explores the power of self-renewal and how to free yourself from thoughts and behaviors that might be imprisoning you. Today, she shares her own story of surviving the Holocaust and finding a path toward healing and forgiveness. GP and Eger discuss how to acknowledge and process anger, build resilience, and fall in love with yourself. Eger also describes her approach to revisiting the past and how she remains hopeful in the present.

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Astrology can be a practical tool, says Chani Nicholas, astrologer and author of You Were Born for This. “Most of our spiritual life is lived out through very practical actions.” In this conversation, Nicholas explores the birth chart of our new cohost, Erica Chidi, CEO and cofounder of LOOM. And more broadly, Nicholas shares advice for anyone navigating a challenging transit period or in need of patience during a long cycle. Nicholas also explains why social justice and activism is important to her work: “How could I talk about a system of wisdom or knowledge that talks about humans and our experience here on earth without also addressing systemic inequalities?”

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GP is joined by her friend Erica Chidi, CEO and cofounder of LOOM, and probably one of the first subscribers to goop back in 2008. They talk about the ways they’ve intersected and aligned over the years, how Chidi’s work as a doula has evolved, and the next iteration of her digital education platform. They talk about racism in healthcare, how to move forward through discomfort, the beauty to be found in liminal spaces, and why care and education are necessary components of health. Plus, they reveal a secret they’ve been keeping for a while.

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“The cure for burnout is not self-care,” says Emily Nagoski. “It’s simply care. It’s all of us caring for each other. That means that when you think you need more grit, what you need is more help. When you think you need more discipline, you need more kindness.” In this special episode, we’re taking a break from our typical interview format to share an audio workshop led by Emily and her sister Amelia Nagoski. Their book, Burnout, explores how women experience stress and outlines strategies for freeing yourself from the stress cycle. For more from Emily Nagoski, check out the updated edition of her bestselling book Come As You Are—the audiobook is particularly great—and stay tuned for her new podcast, which will also cover sex and sexuality.

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“I don’t wake up and say, ‘I hope this is a great day, and I’m not going to get triggered,’” says psychotherapist Barry Michels, coauthor of Coming Alive and The Tools. “I say, ‘I’m going to get triggered. There’s no question.’” Last year, GP had a conversation with Michels that we keep returning to. In it, Michels shares his three-point plan for coping with negativity. He has tools for regulating your thoughts, preparing to get triggered, and processing your emotional wounds. He also has a way of helping people to find unexpected sources of inspiration and opportunities to be of service. Plus, you’ll get to meet GP’s shadow if you listen until the end. For more, head to The goop Podcast hub.

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GP catches up with her longtime friend Laura Dern. They chat about being raised by double-artist parents and how their childhoods informed their acting careers, creative lives, and parenting styles. They talk about how they try to create space for their children to be vulnerable and explore their sense of self. And Dern shares why living in the gray—and finding comfort in the messy middle—has become so important to her. “That is life,” says Dern. “And there's something incredibly tender, celebratory, and vital about living in the gray.” (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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Many of us romanticize our past selves, says actress, producer, and activist Gabrielle Union. “If you don't do an excavation of how you got to where you are, you will continue to live in the romanticized version of who you were and you won't be able to let go.” In this conversation, GP and Union explore past and future selves, parenting within blended families, healing from deep wounds, menopause misconceptions, and small pleasures. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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GP is joined by Harvard-trained sociologist and bestselling author Martha Beck. Beck’s new book, The Way of Integrity, explores what happens when we’re living in alignment with our true nature and how we become disconnected from it. She and GP talk about the ways we sublimate our own truths to be accepted by our circles—the little lies we tell to keep the peace or when we smile through discomfort—and why society is often threatened by people living in integrity. They also discuss how we can begin to access to our inner truth and why Beck decided to try not lying for an entire year. (By the way, she is now going on five years.) After you listen, preorder Beck’s extraordinary book, which comes out April 13.(For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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GP catches up with model, actress, entrepreneur, and activist Cara Delevingne. They start with Delevingne’s experience working in a high-pressure industry at young age and how she learned to break free from other people’s expectations. “You're put in a box or told to be a certain way,” Delevingne says. “And I hated it because it wasn’t a shape that I fit into.” They talk about how Delevingne approaches imposter syndrome, being a role model in the LGBTQIA community, and her hopes for anyone following in her footsteps. She also gives a preview of the five-day workout series she’s kicking off on goop’s YouTube channel and the scoop on Lora DiCarlo, the sex-tech brand she co-owns and is shaping as creative advisor. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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“The smarter you are, often the worse you are at rethinking because you can use your intelligence to contort the truth into what you want to hear and what you want to believe,” says organizational psychologist and beloved Wharton professor Adam Grant. After reading his new book, Think Again, GP spoke with Grant about applying his research and wisdom to nearly every facet of life, from our careers to our most intimate relationships. Why do people generally fear being wrong? Grant says that we live in a world that celebrates certainty and mistakes confidence for competence. He explains the trap of letting our ideas become our identities, and how we can find common ground with one another while navigating charged topics. You’ll also find out why Grant is a recovering logic bully. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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GP is joined today by an actress, producer, and director whose work she’s admired for many years, Robin Wright. Wright has just released her feature directorial debut, Land (which she also stars in), about a woman suffering immeasurable loss who retreats to an abandoned cabin in the Rockies to find a new way to heal. Today, they talk about making career pivots, executing an artistic vision, and betting on yourself. They also discuss how we heal from trauma and why Wright felt called to make a movie about human kindness. “When you are faced with adversity,” says Wright, “it’s other humans that help pull us through and give us faith to live.” (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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GP catches up with her friend and functional medicine practitioner Will Cole, DC. Cole is the author of the new book Intuitive Fasting: The Flexible Four-Week Intermittent Fasting Plan to Recharge Your Metabolism and Renew Your Health. GP has been following Cole’s protocol this past month, and he joins her today to talk about her experience and how she’s been feeling since she started (spoiler: never better). They also talk through the tenets of intermittent fasting, what it means to be metabolically inflexible, and how quickly a damaged gut can rebound.(For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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“When something bad is happening, we tend to focus on that problem really narrowly,” says psychologist Ethan Kross. “But if you lose the ability to step back and see the bigger picture, that's when it can become problematic.” Kross explains how negative chatter can impact our lives and how our ability to introspect can better serve us. He also walks GP through his tools to soothe our inner voice when we find ourselves ruminating. “Negative emotions like anger, sadness, anxiety—they're good for us in small doses,” says Kross. “When they become bad is when we bathe in them.” (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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“Sometimes the greatest strength comes from holding course when there aren’t answers, when there isn’t the best outcome around the corner,” says Kristine Gedroic, MD. Gedroic is a Harvard graduate, a fellow of the American Board of Family Medicine, and the author of A Nation of Unwell: What Went Wrong?. She’s spent the past decade helping thousands of patients heal from chronic illnesses. She’s the kind of doctor people turn to when they feel like they’ve already tried everything. She joins host Gwyneth Paltrow today to talk about her journey to integrative medicine (which began with her own health scare), how to optimize our body’s own detoxification pathways, and the key foods and herbal remedies that she regularly leans on. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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“There’s no such thing as a perfect harmony with nature,” says John Chester, the farmer and filmmaker behind The Biggest Little Farm. “There’s a comfortable level of disharmony. There is purposefulness in this disharmony.” Chester and his wife, Molly, founded a regenerative biodynamic farm (Apricot Lane Farm) that became famous through their stunning documentary. He joins GP today to talk about what he’s learned over the last decade being in deep relationship with the ecosystem of his land and how he and Molly have reframed their many roadblocks into opportunities (and found patience when their end goal was nowhere in sight). He and GP also talk about how soil health impacts the quality of our diets, things to look for on a food label, and his hopes for the future of American farming. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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“When you have someone in your life who is experiencing illness, especially as a young person, it can be so impossible to bear witness to that,” says author Katherine E. Standefer. “Because then you are confronted with your own lack of control.” Standefer’s debut memoir, Lightning Flowers: My Journey to Uncover the Cost of Saving a Life, is stunning. Today, she joins host Elise Loehnen to tell the story of the rare diagnosis that led her on a mission deep into our fractured medical system. She shares what it was like to sit with vulnerability, what she learned from the avoidant tendencies of many of her doctors, and how she began to make sense of her complicated relationship with the medical advancements that were meant to save her. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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“When people ask me about the biggest issues in mental health, I say: Stigma is problems one, two, and three,” says psychiatrist Nina Vasan, MD. In addition to seeing patients in her private practice, Vasan is the chief medical officer at the mental health company Real and the executive director of the Stanford Lab for Mental Health Innovation. She joins GP today to talk about the long-tail mental health impacts of disasters and how trauma sometimes strengthens one’s resiliency. They talk about why addressing mental health can—and should—be part of our daily life. And Vasan shares coping strategies for different and persistent stressors, including ways that managers can be more mindful of their employees’ needs. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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Daniel Lieberman is a professor of human evolutionary biology at Harvard University and the author of the new book Exercised: Why Something We Never Evolved to Do Is Healthy and Rewarding. Today, he joins host Elise Loehnen to break down the history and science behind why so many of us have trouble exercising even though we know it’s healthy for us. For one thing, Lieberman says, the pull to not exercise is a basic human instinct, which, if you ask us, is validating. They also chat through why there is no universal prescription when it comes to workout routines. But, he says, a good first step is taking stock of what you’re trying to achieve and then figuring out what you enjoy doing. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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We’re kicking off 2021 with a different kind of episode. Today, instead of being joined by a guest, GP is doing a lightning round of AMA, where she answers a handful of listener-submitted questions. True to form, your questions ran the gamut: what her perfect night in looks like, which wellness habit never caught on for her, advice for moms launching new businesses, and more. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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In Celeste Headlee’s book—Do Nothing: How to Break Away from Overworking, Overdoing, and Underliving—she examines our fractured relationships to work. Why do we use productivity as a measure of self-worth? Where does our obsession with efficiency come from? In this episode, she shares strategies for maintaining healthy boundaries around work and play and for developing more transparency between managers and employees. She also sells us on taking time off: “When someone takes all their vacation days, they actually end up being more productive, more effective, less error-prone, and more creative than someone who doesn’t.” (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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Resmaa Menakem is a trauma specialist and the New York Times–bestselling author of My Grandmother’s Hands, which examines how racial trauma is deeply embedded in the body. He joins Elise Loehnen today to discuss his work as a somatic healer, what he believes will happen nine generations from now, and why it’s not possible to “think” your way out of White supremacy. “To develop an individual response to a communal horror is inadequate,” he says. “Niceness is inadequate.” (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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Otto Yang, MD, an infectious disease researcher at UCLA, is leading a global clinical trial on COVID-19 sponsored by the NIH. GP, who had COVID-19 in early March, is a part of the study and has gotten to know Yang’s work over the past several months. Today, they talk about the long-tail symptoms of the virus, what scientists have learned about antibodies and immunity, and what is still unknown. Yang answers questions about the vaccine and what we can expect to happen next year. He also shares, from the perspective of a scientist, how he processes fear around this virus. His biggest learning in the last year? It involves the surprising resilience of the human spirit. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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“I didn’t want to just write about loss,” says religion scholar Elaine Pagels. “I wanted to write about coming back from it and finding you can still have joy and a wonderful life. Because for me, that was a surprise.” Pagels is a bestselling author and the Harrington Spear Paine Professor of Religion at Princeton University. Today, she joins host Elise Loehnen to discuss her books Why Religion? and The Gnostic Gospels and the journey that led her to writing them. They talk about how religious traditions can shape how we understand ourselves, whether Pagels thinks there’s such a thing as sin, and why she considers herself more of an explorer than a believer. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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GP catches up with her friend Pharrell Williams and, no surprise, the multihyphenate artist has a lot of ground to cover. They talk about his parenting philosophy and how its shifted during the pandemic. They talk about his creative process and being a pluralist in a world that wants everyone to pick a lane. They discuss the Black Lives Matter movement and his dreams for the future: “I love my nation because of its progression, but I’m really in love with its untapped potential,” he says. And he shares the story behind the accelerator he’s just launched, Black Ambition, which invests in Black and Latinx students and entrepreneurs, providing not only capital to get their ideas off the ground but hands-on mentorship, as well. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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“They could have gone in one of two directions,” says author Lacy Crawford. “Either start asking real questions and listening for honest answers and face the reckoning of what these boys had done to me. Or go the other direction and bury the girl. And that’s what they did: They buried the girl.” In Crawford’s memoir, Notes on a Silencing, she shares the story of the assault she suffered at boarding school when she was fifteen years old and the subsequent attempts to silence her. Today she joins host Elise Loehnen to talk about misplaced shame, our perception of bravery, addressing a destructive culture, and how her definition of healing has shifted with time. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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Mellody Hayes, MD, is an anesthesiologist, a healer, a spiritual teacher, and a powerful voice in the psychedelic movement. Though Hayes has worked in traditional medicine for her whole career, she says her spiritual life greatly informs how she approaches human healing—and she keeps up with medical journals and Pema Chödrön in equal measure. Today, she joins host Elise Loehnen to talk about the societal stresses that contribute to illness, how psychedelic medicine could help heal intergenerational trauma, and why love is at the center of everything she does. “When you try and shame someone into correction, you get obedience, but you haven’t won their participation,” she says. “How do we shift people? Believe it or not: We love them more; we love them harder.” (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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In Katherine May’s newest book, Wintering: The Power of Rest and Retreat in Difficult Times, she explores how we relate to the painful periods in our lives—and what we can gain from normalizing the need to rest and tend to our wounds. In her conversation with host Elise Loehnen, May says that one reason many of us feel ashamed about our dark periods is because we’re taught to look down on other people’s misfortunes. This in turn makes it difficult to respect our own pain. May shares what changed for her when she allowed herself to see sadness as a need and not something to run from. For example, it helped her stop feeling addicted to productivity and busyness and begin to let go of the need to control everything. “We have got to stop feeling responsible for controlling our lives because that attempt is devastating us,” she says. “And it’s a lie—we just cannot do it.” (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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GP is joined by Ed Catmull, cofounder of Pixar, former president of Walt Disney Animation Studios, and author of the New York Times–bestselling book Creativity, Inc. They talk about what it takes to establish the kind of company culture Catmull is revered for. The first step, he says, is creating a space where people feel free to speak candidly, to be vulnerable, and to take risks. They talk about what can lead a team to feel disconnected from their creativity and how to help people cultivate inspiration again. And he shares some of his insights on effective leadership: “One of the rules for the powerful people is they’re supposed to shut the hell up for the first ten or fifteen minutes,” says Catmull. “If a powerful person speaks, they set the tone for the meeting. And you’re much more effective if you enter a discussion rather than set the tone.” (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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Kevin Weinfurt, PhD, is the vice chair for research in the Department of Population Health Sciences at Duke University School of Medicine. His work measures sexual function and satisfaction and how sexual well-being can be impacted by illness and other changes in health throughout our lives. Weinfurt talks about why he believes doctors tend to avoid the subject of sex and how he and his colleagues hope to change this. He also talks about the role that intimacy plays in sexual wellness—i.e., holding hands, making eye contact, and simply touching. And he explains some of the psychology around our relationship to our sex lives, like why sex can be so important to some people but not to others. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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“The Northern Cheyenne people have a saying: A nation is not defeated until the hearts of its women are on the ground,” says Lucy Rain Simpson, executive director of the National Indigenous Women’s Resource Center. “And that was a primary tactic. If you want to break a nation down, you purposefully try to make women no longer respected.” In her role, Simpson works to safeguard Native women and children. Today, she unpacks much of what is misunderstood about the rampant sexual violence on Native land, including that over 90 percent of the perpetrators are non-Indian. She explains the impact of federal mismanagement and complacency around these crimes and why assaults against women are particularly corrosive in Native culture. And she shares ways that we can begin to break the cycle of violence, as well as a vision of what justice would look like. “If we can come back to a place where women are sacred, that gives us the foundation for building everything else up,” she says. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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“The core of leadership should be care,” says psychiatrist Gianpiero Petriglieri, MD. “And then performance is a result of a system in which there is enough care.” Petriglieri is an associate professor of organizational behavior at INSEAD and an expert on leadership and learning in the workplace. Today, he joins host Elise Loehnen to talk about what is lost when we prize productivity above all else, why it’s important to give your team space to ask questions and be imaginative, why he thinks having vision isn’t an important quality in a good leader, and our growing tendency to intertwine our sense of self-worth with our performance at work: “Once you start working this way, where work becomes very personal, everything is existential. If you succeed, you are a success. If you fail, you see yourself as a failure.” He also shares insights about what the pandemic could teach us about productivity and how that could shape the way we do business in the future.(For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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Isabel Wilkerson is a Pulitzer Prize–winning, number one New York Times–bestselling author. Her most recent book, Caste: The Origins of Our Discontents, links the caste systems of America, India, and Nazi Germany. She examines how a caste system has shaped American history and the ways our lives are still defined by man-made hierarchies. In this conversation with host Elise Loehnen, Wilkerson explains the essential difference between racism and casteism and why these hierarchies negatively affect all groups. “We are, as a society, harmed by the inequities that may seem to be trained primarily on one group,” says Wilkerson. “But then these inequities spread and leach out beyond the boundaries of that seat.” The ripple effects, Wilkerson explains, include misguided policies that often impact everyone. And she shares what it takes to move beyond these artificial divisions. The first step is having a deep understanding of the history that shapes us: “If you don’t know the history, if you don’t know where you’ve been, then it’s hard to know how you got to where you are and how you can move forward.” (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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Our guest today is James Nestor, journalist and author of Breath: The New Science of a Lost Art, which explores the often overlooked and undervalued function of breathing and all the ways that breath is at the center of health—and potentially illness. Nestor spent a decade studying ancestral breathing techniques and New Age technology and diving deep into studies that have brought surprising information to light. For example, Nestor tells us about the Framingham Study, which has been going on for seventy years: “They found that the most accurate marker of health and longevity wasn’t genes or even cardiovascular health. It was lung capacity and respiratory health.” Nestor shares all that he’s learned about proper technique (breathing through your nose is key) and his advice for shifting your habits. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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GP is joined by two-time Olympic gold medalist, FIFA World Cup Champion, and New York Times–bestselling author Abby Wambach. Since retiring from her record-breaking soccer career, Wambach has become known for her work around equality and inclusion alongside her wife, activist and author Glennon Doyle. She’s also just published a young readers edition of her book Wolfpack, urging young people to break old rules and create their own path. Today, Wambach chats with GP about how to build a strong team, how to allow yourself to feel disappointed, how to get comfortable with competition and seeing others succeed, and how her son’s coming out helped Wambach heal some of her own childhood trauma. “My mom had fear for me, but I thought she was afraid of me,” says Wambach. “Those are very different things.” It’s clear why Wambach was captain of the Women’s National team for so many years—you get fired up listening to her speak. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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The former CNN White House correspondent has become known as an independent news source and appreciated by followers for her cogent, insightful approach and for allowing people to draw their own conclusions—without all the added drama. For this special episode, Yellin joined Elise Loehnen on the afternoon of Wednesday, November 4, and talked through how she believes the next few weeks will play out. They also discuss why Yellin has never trusted exit polls, the state of TV news in this country, and our path forward as we reckon with how divided our nation remains. (For more, follow @JessicaYellin on Instagram. And see The goop Podcast hub.)

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Eli Finkel, PhD, is a psychology professor at Northwestern University and the author of the fascinating book The All-or-Nothing Marriage, which explores the surprising things that make marriages fulfilling and what can put them on the rocks. Today, he joins host Elise Loehnen to chat about how the definition of an ideal marriage has shifted over time, what he thinks of nonmonogamy, why he argues that there are some things you should not ask of your relationship, and whether it’s possible to maintain a happy union while also trying to become a fuller, more authentic version of yourself.

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Journalist Rebecca Traister has written three books, including her most recent New York Times bestseller, Good and Mad, which explores how women’s anger has provoked political and social change over centuries. Traister joined host Elise Loehnen to talk through all she’s uncovered in her research and why our society continues to consider anger to be acceptable only for White men. “This is one of the strategic functions of discouraging the expression of anger in women and other people in the margins,” says Traister. “Because the communication of dissatisfaction is the building block for potential future organizing.” Her advice? Stay angry. Stay awake. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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Writer and attorney Christie Tate had big reservations when a therapist first suggested she pursue group therapy. The idea of voluntarily sharing her secrets and vulnerabilities with a group of strangers was not appealing. It was terrifying. But she went. Now she’s been in group therapy for 19 years—and probably will be for the rest of her life. Tate wrote a book about her experience called Group: How One Therapist and a Circle of Strangers Saved My Life. In her chat with Elise Loehnen, they talk about Tate’s struggle with disordered eating, how her husband and children deal with having their private lives exposed, and how the process of healing and understanding ourselves typically takes a lifetime. “The more people tell true stories about the jagged line of recovery, that it’s not just a straight arrow shooting upward to nirvana,” says Tate, “the better understanding we can have of what healing looks like.” (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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“Hope isn’t an optimism that one day it will be okay,” says Austin Channing Brown. “Hope is what we owe to one another as human beings.” Brown is a media producer, a speaker, and the author of the New York Times bestseller I’m Still Here: Black Dignity in a World Made for Whiteness. In her racial justice and leadership work, Brown doesn’t chase hope; she lives it. Brown joined host Elise Loehnen to talk about how she anchors herself amid the stress and emotional toll of her work, and why for many Black women, the missteps of White women, in particular, can sting more. She also explains why it’s more helpful to be brave than it is to be nice—and how to show up with this in mind. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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“The work that I do helping people exit these groups, it isn’t about persuading them to leave,” says mental health counselor Steven Hassan. “It’s teaching them how the mind works, teaching them about social psychology and hypnosis, which helps them see whether or not they have been co-opted.” Hassan is a leading expert on mind control and hypnosis and the author of The Cult of Trump. For the past forty years, he’s drawn on his own experience as a former Moonie to help people step out of controlling groups, relationships, and cults. Today, he explains how well-adjusted people get wrapped up in authoritarian cults, why we’re all subject to mind control every day, and how mind control has shaped the current state of politics in the US. And he shares his insights on what to do about it. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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Brian Muraresku—author of The Immortality Key: The Secret History of the Religion with No Name—spent twelve years entrenched in connecting the dots between the use of mind-altering drugs and the foundation of Christianity as we know it today. Many of us are familiar with the holy wine present at ancient religious celebrations. But what was actually in that wine? Was it anything like the wine we drink today? Muraresku says the evidence suggests it was very different—that the wine was routinely mixed with other substances, from spices and perfumes to herbs, and fungi. For Muraresku, this begged the question: What was the intent of those who drank it? Today, he joins host Elise Loehnen to share the wild journey this question led him on and what he discovered along the way about faith, science, and the rise of the church—including long-suppressed evidence of just how fundamental women were to the origin and survival of Christianity. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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GP catches up with her friend Kate Hudson, and true to form, they cover a lot of ground. They talk about being girl moms, what it looks like to own your trauma, and how, at this stage in her life, Hudson creates sustaining relationships. “It’s not fun to work through the pain—it sucks. And it definitely feels like it’s easier to avoid it,” Hudson says. “But we know that the more you avoid it, the worse it festers.” They also chat about how she’s created authentic and successful brands (like Fabletics, and her new venture In Bloom), the best business advice she’s gotten, and why she bets on herself. And be sure to listen to the end to hear about Hudson’s best (and not-so-best) onscreen kisses. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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“It’s the possibility of greater change that rejuvenates me,” says Michele Harper, MD. “That’s what makes it possible for me to keep going.” Harper is an emergency room physician who has worked as chief resident at Lincoln Hospital in the South Bronx and in the emergency department at the VA medical center in Philadelphia. She is also the author of The Beauty in Breaking. Today, she joins host Elise Loehnen to share how she manages the emotional strain of being witness to so much suffering, what she’s learned from her patients about healing, and why she sees her commitment to positive change as a form of meditation. “It is all so depleting—all of it,” she says. “But I’ve always turned my grief, my pain, my suffering into action.” (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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Author Toni Jensen joined us for the September edition of goop Book Club to talk about her first memoir, Carry, which traces her Métis roots, her childhood in rural Iowa, her closest relationships, and the classrooms she’s inhabited around the country as a student and a teacher. In this conversation with Elise Loehnen, Jensen talks about making peace with childhood trauma, her complex relationship with gun culture, the staggering injustices forced on Indigenous women, the stereotypes that prevail, and the subtle and lasting ways that language shapes each of us. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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Laura Wasser is a family law expert, a divorce attorney, and the founder of It’s Over Easy, a platform that provides tools to help families navigating divorce. She joins host Elise Loehnen to talk about how people can prepare for the best and the worst in a relationship, whether or not she thinks prenups serve a partnership, if the years she’s spent in this field have changed her views on marriage, and how she’s remained family with her exes. Wasser also shares her tips on what to look for in an attorney, how to move on in the least expensive way (emotionally and financially), and topics to discuss with a partner when you’re just getting hitched. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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David Sheff is a journalist and the author of the number one New York Times–bestselling book Beautiful Boy. Sheff joins us to talk about an incredible man and the subject of his latest book, The Buddhist on Death Row: Jarvis Jay Masters’s childhood was marred by severe trauma that sent him down a path of violence and into San Quentin. In 1990, while in prison, Masters was set up for the murder of a guard, which landed him on death row. On the recommendation of a criminal investigator working on his case, Masters began to explore meditation. He was skeptical, and his life didn’t change overnight. But it did eventually change—dramatically. Today, on death row, Masters is a remarkable Buddhist thinker, engaging with some of the most renowned practitioners in the world and changing the way people approach both suffering and healing.(For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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Ambassador Susan Rice has had an impressive career in service and government as a diplomat, policy advisor, and public official. She served throughout the Clinton administration, becoming one of the nation’s youngest secretaries of state, and later, became one of President Obama’s most trusted advisors. After years of speaking on behalf of presidents and the country, Rice finally shares her incredible story, in her own words, in her book Tough Love—and today, in her conversation with GP. One of the most interesting parts of their chat is about managing division and learning to listen and understand others, starting at the dinner table (Rice’s son is deeply conservative). The pair also talk about why there’s a tendency to view women with a binary and reductive lens, the scaffolding that’s informed Rice’s diplomacy and negotiation skills, and the single through line that’s helped her grow. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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Many people find it difficult to exercise self-compassion, in part because we fear that being tender with ourselves will make us lose our edge. But Kristin Neff, PhD—who wrote Self-Compassion and The Mindful Self-Compassion Workbook and is steeped in the field’s research—says that couldn’t be further from the truth: “Here’s the thing with self-compassion—our goals are just as high. But when we fail to meet our goals, we’re more likely to pick ourselves up and try again.” Today, Neff explains the differences between self-esteem, self-love, and self-compassion and the distinctive ways these practices effect our daily lives. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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“Each of us, in our own infinite precious particularity, will be led to what’s to be done next in our own time and space,” says Cynthia Bourgeault. The modern-day mystic and Episcopal priest is the author of several brilliant books, including Eye of the Heart: A Spiritual Journey into the Imaginal Realm. Today, she joins us to discuss a question that comes forth for many of us at some point: Are we all just irrelevant specs? Does our life actually have meaning? According to Bourgeault, while humans are not the center of everything, our actions have profound influence on the well-being of the planet (and a system that extends beyond it). She says that a lack of consciousness has led to much of the mess we’re currently in, and she explains how we all play a particular role in amending the damage. She talks through how our fear of dying is problematic (and what a different approach to death could look like), what it truly means to live virtuously, and whether or not she’s hopeful for the future. (Spoiler: Mostly, she is.) (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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Jay Shetty, author of the new book Think Like a Monk, is in part known as a former monk. Now, he serves as a coach, helping people identify and live out their purpose. He joined GP to talk about why many of us have never really spent time by ourselves, with ourselves—and what can happen when we do. Shetty has a different way of thinking about compassion for self and compassion for others; and it involves not devaluing or belittling pain. He also has a clarifying way of looking at the fine line between compassion and victimhood (so that we don’t get stuck in victim consciousness) and distinguishing feelings (which can be fleeting and misleading) from emotions. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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“I grew up with this intense fear of failure,” says Cathy Park Hong. “And in retrospect, I can understand why my parents instilled that in me—because for them, there was no safety net.” Hong is a writer, a professor at Rutgers-Newark University, and the author of Minor Feelings: An Asian American Reckoning. It’s a book about family, identity, culture, and self-worth. Hong joins us today to talk about the parts of the Asian American experience that are often left out of the mainstream. She talks about how becoming a parent forced her to reckon with her own upbringing and the complicated nature of assimilation—both what it afforded her and what it stole from her. She asks: How do we go about the messy process of deciding which parts of our culture to pull forward to keep in our lives and which to put down? (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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“There is so much hurt that doesn’t have to remain unhealed,” says Molly Howes, PhD. “A good apology can go the distance to lessen that pain.” Howes is a Harvard-trained clinical psychologist and the author of A Good Apology: Four Steps to Make Things Right. Many of us are bad at apologizing, which according to Howes, is not for lack of care, but because we may have a misunderstanding of what it takes to make both parties feel whole. Howes says a good apology requires listening rather than justifying, which is often easier said than done. Today, Howes walks us through the four steps of a good apology and explains how we can apply these steps personally in our own homes and more widely in our communities. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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“Most of the diseases that we experience are not inevitable,” says Bruce Lanphear, MD. “They’re preventable.” Lanphear is a clinician scientist at the Child & Family Research Institute, BC Children’s Hospital, and a professor in the Faculty of Health Sciences at Simon Fraser University in Vancouver. He’s spent the majority of his career exploring how environmental factors like toxic chemicals, pollutants, and contaminants can impact our health. Today, he explains the challenges of proving causation, the ways industries dodge responsibility, and why health care policy and research funding often don’t reflect the needs and priorities of doctors and patients. (While there’s plenty of evidence showing that most diseases are preventable, the US spends only 4 percent of funding on upstream preventive measures.) Lanphear breaks down where we’re most vulnerable and what we can do about it. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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We often view moments of serendipity, or happy accidents, as situations that we play no part in and can't control or influence. But author Christian Busch, PhD, believes that luck may not always be circumstantial—and that by training ourselves to see something in the unexpected, we can make those accidents more meaningful. Which is the subject of his book, The Serendipity Mindset: The Art and Science of Creating Good Luck. Busch is the director of the Global Economy Program at New York University’s Center for Global Affairs and also teaches at the London School of Economics. Today, he joins host Elise Loehnen to discuss how we can best exercise our serendipity muscle and whether or not extroverts have a leg up in the game. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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You’ve probably been fed the myth that your life will generally follow a linear path, with maybe a midlife crisis and a few other upheavals thrown in along the way. But in reality, you’ve probably experienced more big transitions, or “lifequakes,” as author Bruce Feiler calls them. For his book Life Is in the Transitions, Feiler spent a year exploring how people move through these moments. What he learned is that although the changes can be unpredictable, there are patterns to be found in how we cope with them. And with the right tools, we can navigate these transitions with meaning, purpose, and skill. Feiler joins host Elise Loehnen to talk through his different strategies for surviving a massive life change and making the most of opportunities to grow. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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Gordon Neufeld is a developmental psychologist and the author of Hold On to Your Kids: Why Parents Need to Matter More Than Peers. In his forty-plus years studying child development, a few common threads have emerged. According to Neufeld, parents tend to be hyperfocused on socializing their children in order for them to be well liked and have plenty of friends. This good intention can cause children to become peer-attached—meaning they look to their peers instead of the adults in their lives for guidance, care, and stability. Having close peers is important, but the peer relationship shouldn’t be the most important one, says Neufeld. His work helps parents and caretakers maintain and strengthen relationships with their children, recognize when kids are pulling away, and reverse damage that’s already been done to the bond. His approach does not require us to do everything “right”—but it could shift the way we raise and relate to children for the better. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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GP talks with her friend Cameron Diaz about the best part of turning forty, what affects our capacity to be intimate, taking responsibility for who you are, and the launch of Avaline, Diaz’s organic wine line. Diaz explains why she pivoted away from her acting career, what happened after she decided to start over, and how she learned a surprising amount about herself in the early days of her relationship with her husband. “In my forties, I realized I need to be quicker to identify the things I shouldn’t be holding on to, and cut them loose,” says Diaz. The tail end of the conversation is about motherhood—and what Diaz most wants for her daughter. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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In the medical community, miraculous recoveries are typically dismissed as flukes and outliers. Because they can’t be explained within the constructs of typical modern care, they end up in the dustbin. But some doctors, like today’s guest Jeffrey Rediger, MD, believe that this is a grave mistake and that our insistence on clinging to old systems and beliefs leaves much lifesaving science out. Rediger, who is on the faculty at Harvard Medical School and is the director of McLean Hospital SE, has spent the past two decades studying verified cases of spontaneous remission, looking for unifying threads that might be repeatable for others with the same diagnosis. In his book, Cured: The Life Changing Science of Spontaneous Healing, he shares his beautiful insights and discoveries. He joins host Elise Loehnen to discuss the root cause of illness, how our environment sets the stage for healing, and the pillars associated with recovery and overall well-being—including nutrition, the immune system, stress responses, and the health of our identities. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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Tom Philpott is a veteran journalist, a former farmer, and the current food and agriculture correspondent for Mother Jones. Philpott has spent years researching how and why American agriculture has gone so disastrously wrong and all the ways our political and economic infrastructure exacerbated its downfall. But as grim as the situation is now, Philpott believes there is much to be hopeful about—including the many farmers and communities who are paving the way for change and laying the groundwork to avoid disaster. Philpott is the author of a new book called Perilous Bounty: The Looming Collapse of American Farming and How We Can Prevent It. He joins host Elise Loehnen today to talk about how this all got out of control and what we can do to begin to mend the damage. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)

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Dolly Chugh is a psychologist and professor at the Stern School of Business at NYU. She studies how—and why—most of us, however well-intended, are still prone to race and gender bias, as well as what she calls “bounded ethicality,” which are the systemic, unethical behaviors we engage in without awareness. For example, Chugh believes that being an ally isn’t about being a “good” person—and that our singular focus on goodness is a big part of the problem. Instead, she says, we should be constantly striving to be good-ish, i.e. someone who is always growing—that involves messing up, owning the mistake, learning from it, and trying again. Chugh brilliantly tackles this topic in her book The Person You Were Meant to Be. Today, she explains to host Elise Loehnen what we can and must do about it. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)