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Intertextual Cardboard Experience is excited to start the new year in atypical fashion, and it couldn’t be more exciting. Cole Wehrle, Creative Director at Leder Games and Co-Founder of Wehrlegig Games, joins the show, and I had the bright idea of having us not talk about board games… In all seriousness, we do talk directly about board games a handful-ish times, but, for the most part, those thoughts are scattered between some deep and personal insights that Cole shares about a couple of other things: reading (specifically Pynchon) and running. Through Cole’s reflections on these topics, approaching a text where it’s trying to meet you, and other ideas that Cole elaborates a lot more eloquently than I could put here, beautiful intersections in these hobbies are highlighted, demonstrating how those intersections translate into lifestyle choices and creative approaches.

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Introduction (0:00)

A little bit of context behind the idea of the episode and a formative gaming memory.

“Beyond the Board Game” (10:00)

This section explores Cole’s experiences and thoughts reading Gravity’s Rainbow (amongst other related topics).

“What does running mean to you?” (58:26)

Short answer: a lot (for both of us). But Cole shares a powerful account of his running history here, and we just chat about running for a bit.

Wrap-up Questions (1:26:00)

A text on Cole’s mind and what work you should be on the lookout for.

Random note: Listening back to this episode, I noticed that I said some iteration/tense of "(insert person here) tried to do (insert something here)" a couple of times, and I say that with no negative connotation. It's meant to be something where I'm trying to acknowledge authorial intent, not saying that whoever tried to do something didn't (probably beyond unnoticeable and/or is being heard the way I intended it to be—just a phrase that gave me a slight pause).

The episode logo is me trying to sketch a version of the kid on the cover of Fort that's holding a book but with them running instead of standing and shouting. My apologies to Kyle Ferrin for butchering that.

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Part of me wanted to jokingly name this episode, “The Official Podcast of Indie Games Night Market,” but it would have probably been more confusing than funny.

Anyway, this one is a special episode for so many reasons! First off, it’s the first time the show has had a repeat guest. It’s also the first time there have been guest episodes released in back to back weeks, as this “bonus” episode gets to serve as a little holiday present, making it the year’s twentieth guest episode (I had four solo, rambly things to make the total count for the year twenty-four) and thirtieth guest episode overall. I am very proud of this. None of that would have been possible without awesome guests, so a huge thank you to Daniel for mentioning he’d chat with me on the podcast about the FIRST EVER Indie Games Night Market. It was a smashing success, and I was extremely fortunate to have been a part of it with a game of my own (a couple notes on that below). With Game Market West and Indie Games Night Market being the first couple of independent events like this in the states, there’s a huge wave of excitement to see where this goes, and I’m here for it.

Check out Daniel’s site, New Mill Industries, for the two games he brought to the event (and many more awesome titles currently there while also being on the lookout for that batch of climbers he mentions are coming in February as well!!. The site also has a link to some information on Indie Games Night Market.

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A Discord for indie markets (seems like the link might expire, so check out US Indie Markets [Board Games] on Discord).

As this episode is a little treat for you, I’m treating myself to not breaking this one up into chapters. Honestly, everything here kind of just flows from the episode’s main idea.

My game! It’s called Oversized Sandwich. There’s a BGG page. The deck is available for purchase on DriveThruCards. In the product’s description, I try to make it very clear that there were elements of what I took to IGNM that aren’t present when you buy just a deck, but you’d still be able to play the game if you pull up the rules. Check it out; I think it’s cool.

I typically try to come up with a "clever" episode logo, but Daniel's logo for IGNM is just really cool as is, so that's from his site.

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Prolific designer Matthew Dunstan joins the show in a unique opportunity to link to the last episode as well as Intertextual Cardboard Experience’s famous Collabstraction Trilogy. There are many unique topics discussed here, and, to me, the ethos of most everything we talked about boiled down to the idea of community and the relationships Matthew has with others in the gaming space. Unsurprisingly, this episode is a real treat.

Last episode, I was fortunate enough to chat with Rory Muldoon, Matthew’s partner at Postmark Games. If you haven’t, check out that episode. Additionally, keep refreshing your browser until 52 Realms: Adventures is available on the Postmark site (some time in January). Matthew on Bluesky

Intro and Matthew’s Version (0:00) Matthew talks about a special person in his life that fostered an early love for gaming. The story of the “Cambridge Cabal” or Cambridge design groups had been discussed a few times on the show. Hearing a little bit more from another perspective, keeps adding to that fun. Some of the Collabstraction staples make it into here, and Matthew discusses some of the decision making behind whether a game will be a solo design or co-design.

A Little Voyage to Postmark (23:55) This section introduces the aforementioned episode with Rory. In this portion, I do correctly say that I’m going to bring up portions of the conversation with Rory where he asked (or just mentioned) that I ask or bring up certain things to Matthew. In later parts, I think I accidentally kind of clump that verbiage into saying that Rory asked me to ask you this. Anyway, in this introductory part, I tell Matthew to bring back his designer live streams (a request from Rory [and me and others!]).

Continued Adventures (33:17) This portion dives into some design decisions made for 52 Realms: Adventures, the idea of community, and how the design relationship between Rory and Matthew works so well. Matthew also reflects on some other possibilities for games designed specifically for print and play.

Wrap-up Questions (1:00:36) A couple of texts on Matthew’s mind and what to look out for from him next!

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Rory Muldoon, designer and one-half of Postmark Games, joins the show to discuss the exciting spaces available in the print and play format. With an upcoming project to show off these ideas in 52 Realms: Adventures, it was a really fun conversation charting Rory’s adventures in the board gaming profession and ways he enjoys designing. We also talk about community, co-design, and a massive print and play space opera 4x game (kind of).

Anyway, this discussion was fantastic. Enjoy and check out the links for 52 Realms: Adventures and all things Postmark Games.

Kickstarter page for 52 Realms: Adventures

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Intro (0:00)

The introductory segment now has an option for the first question, and Rory answered them both! We also talk about Rory’s work in graphic design and how everything transitioned to where he is with Postmark today.

Perks of Being a Print and Player (17:17)

Starts off with some information about Postmark Games. Then there are a couple of sections on the benefits of the format from both the board game “consumer” and designer/publisher standpoint. Rory, unsurprisingly, has some awesome insights here.

52 Realms: Adventures (38:53)

The aforementioned project! I’m a big fan of dice, and I’m a big fan of cards as randomizers too. The way this game uses cards, multiple sheets, and space in general is something I’m very excited to try.

Wrap-up Questions (46:57)

A text on Rory’s mind and things to look out for from Postmark Games.

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Enter for a chance to win a surprise giveaway (cool, I promise). Ending mid-December (probably the 16th).

No crazy episode notes today. I chat about some things to look forward to with the show and beyond (a game I'm making and some videos). There's a quick thought about "fear" in board games, and then I talk about the following games a little bit. They'll all be linked to their BGG pages.

Final Girl

Cthulhu: Death May Die

Skulls of Sedlec

Mind Space

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Jon Barron, designer of Tricky Time Crisis, Best Candy on the Block, and a few more extremely exciting games in an upcoming Kickstarter (let’s just pause to link the Kickstarter <<< it’s right there!), joins the show to discuss [redacted], injecting theme and flavor into card games, [redacted], [redacted], proxy decks, and a whole bunch of trick-taking and Halloween-ish topics. If you can’t tell already, Dr. Tricky Time has unfortunately messed with the show notes, so you’ll need to tune in for an extremely fun conversation here.

Intro (0:00)

Longest set of prefaces ever (from me) and an interesting explanation of the card distribution in Trick Time Crisis (from Jon).

Halloween #1 (6:47)

Formative Gaming Memory (8:03)

Halloween #2 (10:39)

Notes on Upcoming Kickstarter Project (12:45)

Jon recently talked on the “Dads on a Map” Podcast regarding the upcoming group of games coming to Kickstarter, so I asked him about something he didn’t discuss there. Speaking of there, check that episode out too!

“Halloween” #3 (19:16)

Tricky Time Crisis, Theme, and Daylight Savings Time (25:44)

Jon talks about the creation of the characters in Tricky Time Crisis and how he approaches design in general. And there’s a bit about daylight savings time (and more).

Halloween #4 (44:44)

Proxy Decks (49:09)

Wrap-up Questions (56:50)

A text on Jon’s mind, and things to look out for from him!

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Dust off your headphones and get ready for an amazing talk with Jonathan Cox of JonGetsGames. As a voice that I started listening to early in my time in “the hobby,” being able to talk about Jon’s experiences with board games and how that’s led to this culmination of different work and creation within the space was a real treat. And he designed Spring Cleaning, which I’ve been binging and cannot recommend enough. Listen to us talk about all of that and more!

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Introduction (0:00)

Formative gaming experiences and other background information.

Learn While _____ (13:04)

This section spans quite a bit of time (and perhaps could be broken into more chapters?), but Jon talks about what led to the learn while playing format, different processes of learning, and other things he’s created through these various processes (some of this within the framework of a “twist” set of questions [some not]).

Developing Development Work (39:05)

Cleaning Up and/or Mutating One’s Own Designs (46:07)

Jon reflects on creating a learn while playing video for his own game, how creating videos for card games didn’t wind up being too different in general, and a game he’s bringing to the Indie Games Night Market at Pax Unplugged.

Wrap-up Questions (1:06:15)

A text on Jonathan’s mind and things to look out for from him in the future.

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In this episode, I set up some questions (per usual), and Patrick Leder, founder of Leder Games, takes them and leads a delightful conversation about the company, robots, baby simulators, and other less random things not included in this cherry-picked short list. In all seriousness, this episode covers a range of stories and sentiments, and it’s a real (Trick or) Treat.

Check out the Leder Games website.

Check out the upcoming Kickstarter for the next Root expansion.

Introduction (0:00)

A slightly tweaked first question asking Patrick about some foundational gaming memories, transition to design/publishing, and where asymmetry entered into all of this.

All Things Four - Part I: Words (19:18)

Four words to describe Leder Games.

All Things Four - Part II: Titles (27:19)

Titling various things to only words with four letters.

All Things Four - Part III: Texts (38:20)

Various texts Patrick picks that capture the essence of Leder in some way.

All Things Four - Part IV: Potluck (50:36)

Semi-random questions that all just kind of fit here.

Wrap-up Questions (1:07:56)

A couple of texts on Patrick’s mind and things to look out for from him and Leder Games.

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These will be the shortest show notes yet because I have more than enough words in the episode itself.

Listen for some unique insights from Board Game Arena developer ufm, and check out all of their BGA adaptations here (you might need to have an account to see this page?).

Also, thanks for being a part of this journey. It's been a blast.

Also also, I think the instructions for the giveaway are pretty clear, so listen to the episode for details on that.

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Justin Jacobson, owner and president of Restoration Games, joins the show to talk about what drives the company, especially as it's doing something quite different in the hobby board game space. In a world of “digital” remakes, remasters, and re-imaginings of all sorts of different texts, there really aren’t many analogous examples in the analog space. Hearing a lot of the story of Restoration Games, having a lengthy chat about one of my favorite game systems (I say one of, but it’s probably number one), and everything in-between makes this a very special episode.

Check out the Restoration Games website here.

Games, Law, and a Perfect Partnership (0:00)

Introductory information about the things Justin was playing, his work in law, and how all of that came together when he first started working with Rob Daviau.

UN-FREAKING-MATCHED (25:20)

The conversation here is simply Unmatched…

This section talks about card titles, evolution in the creation process, tournament play, the strength of the Restoration Games team, and more.

Return to Restoration Tower (50:25)

Part One- The soul of the restored game.

Part Two- Other texts in other mediums that Justin would like to see restored or brought back in some way.

Wrap-up Questions (1:06:47)

A text on Justin’s mind and what to look out for from Restoration Games in the future!

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Daniel Newman, board game designer and New Mill Industries owner, joins the show today to talk about a bunch of really fun topics. The conversation includes, but is not limited to, New Mill, trick-taking games, punk rock, and how one could make impromptu card stands. With a focus on making different designs more readily available and finding work that might be a little too niche for the mainstream market, Daniel’s vision and work in the board gaming space fills a very unique and important space.

Check out the site for some pre-orders: https://www.newmillindustries.com/

Introduction (0:00)

What sort of things Daniel was playing and then designing and how that all led to the awesome publishing company he’s running these days.

“Punk Rock Starter Pack” (9:08)

A little bit of a discussion as to what punk means- its ethos and message and how that ties to Daniel’s vision- is followed by the show’s first ever Genre Starter Pack. Daniel brings up some awesome musicians and texts that capture the aforementioned ethos.

Focus and Design (24:45)

The evolution and increased output of New Mill demand different things from the publishing standpoint, so we talk about that balance and considerations regarding Daniel’s designs and how he’s looking to publish them.

A Couple of Trick-Takers (39:16)

With the preceding “twist” of the episode revealed by now, Daniel talks about a couple of his favorite trick-takers, with and without the additional mechanisms (twists, wrinkles, etc.).

Indie Games Night Market and Wrap-up Questions (45:45)

After briefly talking about the Indie Games Night Market previously in the episode, the little chat about it here ties well to the wrap-up questions (primarily the many things to look out for from Daniel and New Mill in the future).

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Vodcast 3 - Summer Solo-stice: ROVE (a great solo game) and all Solitary Things

A hair shorter than the last couple of “Vodcasts,” and that was a part of this episode’s solo challenge. With that mild dose of brevity, there are some interesting thoughts here, and they’re a bit punchier. In this episode, I break down the awesome solo game, ROVE: Results-Oriented Versatile Explorer. Additionally, and hopefully in a not “preachy” way, I just talk about some of the ways in which I’ve enjoyed doing all sorts of different things “solo,” how I have held myself back from doing others, and what sort of things might stand in one’s way when trying to jump into something new. The whole message is just meant to be a positive one, hopefully encouraging both you and me to keep pushing towards doing the things we truly want to do.

Happy June Solstice and Happy Seasons to everyone, wherever and whenever you’re listening to this episode.

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Insanely talented artist and creator, Tyler Miles Lockett joins the show to talk about some upcoming projects. Tyler is creating the art for Renier Knizia’s Ichor, Lockett Studio (a really exciting project that we chat about for a bit!), and his HUGE upcoming book, Lockett Studio: Greek Gods and Heroes. Through a long time of traveling and creating, Tyler is looking to bring forth stories from throughout history and the world.

Check out Tyler’s work through this Linktree.

Additionally, be on the lookout for Bitewing game’s upcoming Kickstarter that has Ichor as one of two Knizia games specifically designed for two and put in a Greek Mythology setting.

In the interview, Tyler asks for some “casual game” recommendations. At the end, I said I’d send them over and put them in the show notes. So you’ll be privy to all of the words that I shared (some behind the scenes stuff here so as to not be left out. Due to that, I’ll just title the sections and timestamp them instead of going into depth for each.

Convergence of Art and Mythology (0:00)

Digital Nomad (26:34)

Lockett Studio (41:56)

Wrap-up Questions [Text on Mind & Things to Look out for from Tyler] (1:02:14)

GAME RECOMMENDATIONS

Santorini (2) - You mentioned Chess, and this one is an “abstract” like that, but much simpler. It’s really dynamic and has fun physicality. It’s typically quite quick; it’s my most played game of all time (has the slightest “Greek Mythology” setting to it with the special powers, but I hardly use those anyway).

Prey Another Day (4-5) - This one feels as social of a card game as it gets. It’s kind of like “double think” the game. Your group will make up metas and counter-metas and just be vocal through the whole experience.

Ra (2-5 [two seems polarizing though]) - On the higher end of the casual spectrum, but I don’t think it’s too challenging to learn and teach. Designed by Reiner Knizia himself, so the game does a lot with its minimal ruleset.

DroPolter (2-5) - New to my collection, but I think this one will always be with me in a game bag. It’s a dexterity game where you try to drop certain pieces from your hand. If you win a round, you gain a bell as a victory point. That bell gets added to your hand, and you do not want to drop it. This game is great.

Sprawlopolis (1-2) - I’ve only played this one solo, but it’s a puzzly game using just eighteen cards. For me, it’s one of several Buttonshy Games that I’ll bust out if I need a quick break to play a game but do not have much time.

Just One (4-7+ [the plus would need some extra white boards or paper could work too) and So Clover! (2-6) - I’ve had Just One longer but have technically played So Clover! more. You can’t really go wrong with either, but I do think that Just One needs more people in order to make it a better experience. They’re both just really social word-party games.

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Artist of a million different things (with many of those most recent projects being board games), Alisha Giroux joins the podcast to discuss art, board games, some neat stories about how some collaborations came to be, AI, and a whole bunch of other great insights.

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Alisha’s background in graphic design and how that’s been a base for which the ever-present passion for art has grown.

Games and Collaboration and Redwall and Creative Advice (17:02)

The third “and” in Redwall ties to the other elements extremely heavily, and it’s a special story about how Alisha was able to work with legendary artist, Gary Chalk. Additionally, Alisha shares how some of the cats in Cat Blues: The Big Gig were created. This is a really special and inspiring portion that makes you think about all of the stories that show the love, circumstances, and unique ways in which things happen are behind the art that we consume.

AI AIn’t It (1:01:42)

A little over a year ago, Alisha gave a presentation titled “The Creative Fingerprint” at CreativeMornings Ottawa. This talk goes over what’s being done with AI in art, and this section of the episode goes over what’s changed since then.

Projects (1:12:45)

A look into some of the aforementioned different mediums where Alisha is creating.

Wrap-up Questions (1:17:06)

A “current hyper-fixation” and what to look out for from Alisha.

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A just me episode where I (start to) discuss "balance" in board games, other mediums, and life in general. A lot of the purpose of the episode is to introduce future topics while bringing up some of the things I've been up to that made me think about those topics. There wound up being some interesting connections in here too, and I'm looking forward to many future guests/topics mentioned here. The episode then thinks about ways in which board games use expansions/new versions/etc. to follow up an initial entry. And then there's a brief ramble about Hades II.

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The end of a trilogy. Brett J. Gilbert joins me to cap off a wonderful set of episodes. As one of founders of the Cambridge design group that both Trevor Benjamin and David Thompson from the last two episodes are a part of, it was such a great time going back to the beginning. The oddly constructed chronology of this episode kind of does the same, so join the end of this current “Collabstraction” journey.

Brett's board game website.

Beginning of the End (0:00)

A little bit of introductory talk. A little bit of trilogy talk.

Cambridge. Collaboration. Curator. (14:55)

Brett discusses how the group came to be and how it’s changed throughout the years. There’s some other collaboration talk and one question that showed up in the other two episodes.

Restrictions and Distillations (49:43)

The ethos of Brett’s designs was clear from the beginning of the episode, but we discuss it a little bit further here with the specifically small project, “Good Little Games,” and in other capacities as well.

Beginning at the End (1:03:36)

For some reason I forwent asking about Brett’s gaming background early in the episode, but it worked out well here. There’s some additional talk about abstraction and complexity in this section.

Wrap-up Questions (1:20:59)

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In the rare sequel that’s just as good as its predecessor, David Thompson joins the show for “Collabstraction 2: The Collabstractioning.” We talk about some similar ideas in the topics of collaboration and abstraction, but we also discuss the ideas of sequels/iterations/expansions. It was really interesting getting to hear the slight differences in the overall approach to design and the fact that David has designed in the solo and historical spaces a little more, and, obviously, it was just a blast.

Collab-introduction

From growing up in “board game adjacent” spaces of RPGs and skirmish games to how David’s background in different types of systems led to early designs to David’s response to a couple of the questions that the “Grim Reaper” received in the previous episode, there are many stories and laughs in this part.

“His Favorite Color is Chrome” (1:01:53)

Hearing David talk about chrome and “chrome budget” (I love that phrase/had never heard it before) brought about the title of that ridiculous 2001 Trace Adkins song. I was going to link it, but I couldn’t bring myself to do it. So if you seek it out, that’s on you. Anyway, David discusses why certain choices are made for certain games and talks about the Valiant Defense series of games, which are wonderfully interesting solo war games.

Following-up (1:13:30)

As this is a part two, I have some questions and thoughts that almost come out as questions about some of the aforementioned sequels/iterations/expansions. Naturally, David answers them wonderfully.

Wrapping-up (1:24:43)

A text on David’s mind and the many things to look out for from him soon!

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A wonderful collaborative discussion here with a designer that only designs in collaborations, Trevor Benjamin. Designer of one of my favorite games of all time in Mandala, everything that has Trevor in the design credits is guaranteed to be a fantastic game. Speaking of fantastic, I think this episode is quite fantastic too, so thank you for tuning in.

Trevor on BGG and Twitter.

Introductory Questions [Time stamps coming! - weird technical hang-up - should be set by 4/9]

What got Trevor into board games and how that has inspired his designs The conversation goes on about Go and other abstract games, cooperative games, and intuitive/simple designs (I’m not sure if those words capture that part the best, so check it out to hear how this brief description almost matches that discussion).

Cambridge - “Family” (56:30)

What really sticks out in this section is how close Trevor is to his co-designers. Through discussing how these partnerships came to be and have turned into lifelong friendships, it makes sense why the games created between Trevor and Brett/David/Roger/Matthew click so well.

Collab-specific Questions (1:16:00)

What title best fits Trevor in his design partnerships.

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Wrap-up Questions (1:32:38)

Trevor discusses a masterpiece of modern television and games to look out for from him this year.

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The first ever "Vodcast." So while a warning that this one is just me is potentially apt, it's a huge step up from the "Yearly Reflection" episode. Part of the reason this exists is due to the fact that now is my turbo-busy season. Another reason it exists is because there are some good thoughts in here that I want to keep continuing in this Vodcast format, whether that's due to being too backed up to have scheduled interviews or not, and elsewhere. The show discusses this in more detail. Future episodes will have less administrative stuff too, but there is a lot of gratitude being expressed in the early part of this episode, so thank you for being a part of my board gaming journey.

Apocalands/Duel Intro (22:12)

Radlands Intro (30:42)

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In this super sweet episode, Ruel and I have a fantastic talk about all of the things he’s currently working on, some of his life’s stories, and connections between books and board games.  To put most of everything in one spot (and that EVERYTHING is a lot), this is Ruel’s Linktree.  The Linktree isn’t enough, as he is also on Rahdo and Good Time Society (and other channels too!).

Intro (0:00)

Out of all of the things I enjoy with this podcast in general, my favorite is easily listening to peoples’ stories.  Ruel’s reflections on family, how he came to love reading, different types of work he’s done in the past, and his overall passions culminating into his current work just created a super beautiful discussion.  

Books, books, books… (26:15)

The conversation starts off by talking about what sort of message games that present themselves as books promise, some games that are based on books, games that use the idea of books, and several other things that fit somewhere around those topics.

*Thinking about words, sometimes (often) mine fail me.  When I was talking about Ruel’s “Words on Wednesday” episodes and the graphic novel Saga, I was trying to say that I haven’t been into graphic novels much but am trying to do so more now.  That latter part just never materialized.  So that’s just another cool thing that Ruel is doing with his channel.

Wrap-up Questions (52:45)

I now have a fountain pen because of this portion.  

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