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【聊了什么The What】

无论你是Taylor Swift的忠实粉丝还是普通路人，你肯定听说过这位美国女歌手，以及她从出道以来经历的不同的“eras”（时代）对流行文化的影响。

从她高中时期固化女性形象“You belong with me”的时代，2009年金融危机后被Kanye羞辱的”受害者公主“时代，2010年中期的时代金发红裙维密秀上的时代，再到2023年她开启的全美巡演撬动几十亿美元经济活动的”eras”时代。

这期疲惫娇娃，我们以Taylor Swift在2023年的演唱会名字“Eras”为主题，回顾她2008年初出茅庐再到2023成为定义时代的流行巨星的一路。无论是循环播放她的歌，还是将她作为流行文化的符号来去深入研究，我们都在人生的不同阶段和Taylor Swift交织。每一个Taylor的时代都能让我们回溯到过去十五年的某一种人生状态，唤起一些根深蒂固的回忆和情绪。本期节目中我们深入挖掘她多年来的各种造型，职业生涯变革的颁奖典礼时刻，与其他巨星的争执以及她的音乐——并探讨这些主题如何与我们自己的成长紧密相连，以及过去十五年“女性”作为一个集体意识是如何进化和蜕变。

Whether you’re a die-hard Swiftie or just a regular person who’s not into her songs, there’s no denying the grip that Ms. Taylor Swift has had on American pop culture since her debut in 2006.

In her most recent “Eras” tour, which generated roughly $5 Billion USD for the US economy, Taylor Swift walks the audience through her many eras: the hopeless romantic princess in sparkly dresses in “You Belong With Me,” who then fell from her pumpkin carriage and claimed victimhood after Kanye’s public humiliation of her in 2009; clapping back at critics and experimenting musically with “Red;” embracing her "girl squad" of famous friends and cementing her spot as a pop culture icon with “1989;” her villainelle era with “Reputation;” and taking quaratining at home to the next level by embracing cottagecore with “Folklore” and “Evermore” during the pandemic.

In this episode of CyberPink, we take a look at how different stages of our own lives intersect with Taylor Swift’s eras and how we interacted with her – whether it’s through passionately listening to her songs on repeat, reciting the lyrics, or simply studying her as a pop culture artifact and what her popularity means from an anthropological perspective. Each Taylor era evokes memories and emotions that allow us to revisit a moment somewhere in the last fifteen years. So join us as we dive deep into her many looks through the years, career-changing award show moments, feuds with other mega stars, and her music – and explore how the themes intricately intertwined with our own growth, and the evolution of what it means to be a modern woman.

【时间轴 The When】

• 03:00 Fearless Era：来自纳什维尔的邻家女孩和我们的青春期

• 22:29 在2009年MTV音乐录影带大奖颁奖舞台上，Taylor和Kanye命运的齿轮开始转动

• 37:00 Red Era：流行巨星Taylor同时也是机灵乖巧的”最大公约数女性“

• 42:40 Taylor vs Spotify：改变音乐行业的流媒体

• 50:00 Famous歌词的争议，和2016年前后美国流行文化的大转弯

• 01:09:00 Reputation Era：Taylor的音乐母带和重录争议

• 01:25:05 Midnights Era：Taylor的第十张专辑，为女性和自己创作

• 03:00 Fearless Era: The girl next door from Nashville and our collective coming-of-age

• 22:29 On the stage of the 2009 MTV VMAs, the wheels of fate begin to turn for Taylor and Kanye

• 37:00 Red Era: Pop superstar Taylor as the clever, well-behaved “common denominator” woman

• 42:40 Taylor vs Spotify: When streaming upheaved the music industry

• 50:00 The controversial lyrics of “Famous” and America's culture shift around 2016

• 01:09:00 Reputation Era: Debate over Taylor's master recordings and re-recordings

• 01:25:05 Midnights Era: Taylor's tenth album, written for all women and herself

【拓展链接 The Links】 我们提到的文章：

• For Taylor Swift, the Future of Music Is a Love Story
• Tom Hiddleston on Taylor Swift, Heartbreak, and Great Bolognese
• Taylor Swift (Acquired’s Version)
• Listening to Taylor Swift in Prison

其他参考的内容：

• Make the Whole Place Shimmer: America Spends Big for Beyoncé and Taylor Swift
• Non-Fungible Taylor Swift
• Scooter Braun Makes $300 Million Deal for Big Machine Records
• Taylor Swift’s Feud With Scooter Braun Spotlights Musicians’ Struggles to Own Their Work
• The unavoidable politics of Taylor Swift
• Kanye West Addresses Hip-Hop’s Homophobia In 2005 Interview | MTV News
• Can't Shake It Off: How Taylor Swift Became a Nazi Idol
• Taylor Swift: The Rolling Stone Interview

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Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu!

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【聊了什么The What】 从荞麦信箱和Reddit上的“Am I the Axxhole”，全世界人类的一大共性就是热衷于观察其他人的“家务事”，并给出自己的判决——You are not the axxhole，为网友的乳腺着想，分手吧。在最琐碎的家务事中，有无数隽永的社会问题和模糊的道德难题；故事随处可见，但把这样的故事讲好又非常难。2023年斩获金棕榈的法国剧情悬疑片《坠楼的审判》就是个中出彩之作。女作家Sandra的丈夫Samuel从他们的家顶楼坠楼离奇死亡，而Sandra成为了最大的嫌疑人。整个故事就围绕着这桩疑似谋杀案的司法调查展开，但被当堂剖析的不只是疑案——Sandra和Samuel之间失败的婚姻，父子、母子和伴侣之间那些心照不宣，无法言说的细微情绪统统被放在法庭上被代表所谓公平正义的律师、法官和看客逐一剥茧抽丝。

If the popularity of the “Am I The A**hole” subreddit and its Chinese equivalence were any indication, we humans really love nothing more than sticking our noses all the way in other people’s family business and passing judgments. But it takes an extraordinarily skilled storyteller to bring out the universal, profound moral struggles embedded in our seemingly mundane, daily life: what does it mean to be understood, even in the most intimate relationships? Can anyone be persuaded? If so, by facts or manipulation? “The Anatomy of a Fall,” which won the Palme d'Or prize at the Cannes Film Festival this year, is an icey, cerebral thriller about a mysterious death and a failed marriage, but also about truth, persuasion, the power of narratives, and all the unspoken love and cruelty within human relationships.

【时间轴 The When】

• 00:00 坠楼的审判是一部“文学”的电影

• 12:14 杀人犯是Sandra吗？

• 23:50 悬疑片外皮下，对于所谓“真相”塑造过程的剖析

• 36:48 站在审判席上的“成功女性”和亲密关系中的权力

• 56:34 Sandra与Samuel的争吵，失权者的绝望

• 00:00 “Anatomy of a Fall” and why do we like literary cinema

• 12:14 Did she do it?

• 23:50 The court scene, and how we construct “truth” in our relationships

• 36:48 The “successful women” on trial and power dynamics in intimate relationships

• 56:34 The fight scene, and the despair of the disempowered

【拓展链接 The Links】

• 'Anatomy of a Fall' dissects a marriage and, maybe, a murder
• Part of the ‘great resignation’ is actually just mothers forced to leave their jobs

【疲惫红书 CyberRed】

除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。

Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu!

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【聊了什么The What】

这期我们把Ted Lasso和The Bear这两部剧糅在一起聊， 虽然一部发生在绿茵场上，一部发生在厨房里，但是这两部剧都跟随着相同的故事蓝本——人如何化解创伤，寻找自己？如何在工作和团队中沟通，化解摩擦？ 后疫情时代的2023年，探讨这些角色之间的摩擦和冲突如何被书写，探讨这些角色如何从创伤中恢复，重新找到并定义自己，在一定程度上也是探讨我们自己——我们如何理解自己的情绪？我们如何解读家人、同事、合作者、队友和友人的行为？我们如何在合作中了解自己、在摩擦中建立深厚的连接、在创伤中成长？

本期嘉宾：Dr. Eileen Cheng-yin Chow 周成蔭 教授

In this episode, we bring together two beloved shows—Ted Lasso and The Bear— to discuss how although one takes place on the football pitch and the other in the kitchen, both follow the same narrative blueprint. How do people resolve trauma and find themselves? How do they communicate and resolve friction at work and in teams? In 2023, the post-pandemic era, we explore how the conflicts between these characters are written, how they recover from trauma, rediscover and redefine themselves. We also explore ourselves to some extent - how do we understand our own emotions? How do we interpret the behaviors of family, colleagues, partners, teammates, and friends? How do we better understand ourselves, build deep connections through frictions, and grow beyond trauma through collaboration?

Our guest: Dr. Eileen Cheng-yin Chow

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【时间轴 The When】

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06:10 Ted Lasso和The Bear的剧情简介: 体育、成长、代际创伤如何被演绎

16:00 为什么我们会爱上银幕上的“神性脸”和小屏幕上的“邻家脸”?

18:45 在阳刚文化中,这两部剧如何处理情绪化以及受创伤的男人,以及邀请观众用显微镜去观察他们的情绪?

23:00 伤害的脚本一遍一遍上演,哀伤不是线性的,代际创伤如何被具体的场景演绎?

29:40 在美国叙事中,移民如何通过劳作转移痛苦?

35:00 Ted Lasso和The Bear中良好的沟通习惯,以及从“根”上开始争吵的现实

40:05 Ted Lasso中的剧情互文——文化冲突和个人创伤

44:58 Ted Lasso如何通过吸纳文学内容来构建一个心理上的”安全空间“,以及为什么我们喜欢看运动故事——连载剧,聚焦当下

52:00 心理治疗如何干预惯性沟通,让你的快乐小狗复活?

59:40 小杨和Eileen关于文化隔阂和心理咨询的故事

1:03:00 焦虑让人上瘾——移民的焦虑存在状态,历史中芝加哥唐人街的底层华人的心理经历

1:09:00 移民的生存状态是一部分的自己生活在过去

1:15:00 我们不磕Carmy和Sydney的原因

1:22:30 女性没有被演出来的中年危机

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06:10 - Synopses of Ted Lasso and The Bear: how sports, growth, and intergenerational trauma are portrayed

16:00 - Why do we become enamored with "divine faces" on the big screen and "familiar faces" on the small screen?

18:45 - Within masculine cultures, how are these two shows handling emotional, traumatized men and inviting the audience to observe their emotions microscopically?

23:00 - We see the script of harm play out repeatedly throughout both shows, and we observe how grief is not linear. How do these two shows portray intergenerational trauma through scenes?

29:40 - In the all-American narrative, how do immigrants ease their pain through labor?

35:00 - We discuss effective communication habits in Ted Lasso and The Bear, and the reality of how arguments always start from the “root”

40:05 - Intertextuality in Ted Lasso's plot - cultural conflicts and personal trauma

44:58 - How Ted Lasso constructs a psychological "safe space" by incorporating literary content, and why we enjoy watching sports stories

52:00 - How can going to therapy intervene with our engrained ways of communication and revive one's happy “inner puppy”?

59:40 - Our host Xiao Yang and Guest Eileen's stories on cultural gaps and going to therapy

1:03:00 - Anxiety is addictive - the existential anxiety of immigrants and the psychological experiences of lower-class Chinese immigrants in Chicago's Chinatown (history lesson time)

1:09:00 - To survive, immigrants are always partially living in the past

1:15:00 - Why we don't romanticize Carmy and Sydney's relationship

1:22:30 - There’s not enough portrayal of women going through mid-life crises on the big or small screen

【疲惫红书 CyberRed】

除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。

Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun, and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu!

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【聊了什么The What】

立秋是万物复苏的季节，这意味着闲聊节目又来啦！

我们在这个夏天结束、秋天开始的季节也支棱了一下，设计了一封问卷，想借这个机会了解一下大家。问卷中也搜集上来了很多大家想要问我们的问题，我们选了一些在这期节目中回答。这封问卷会作为一个信箱保持开放，每一封收回来的问卷我们都会读！如果大家对我们有什么问题和建议，都可以通过问卷丢给我们，也可以给[email protected]发邮件。

Happy pumpkin spice latte season! We like season changes, because it means we get to record our seasonal vibe check episodes. A couple of weeks ago out of a burst of productivity we shipped a survey to get to know yall better, which includes an AMA section where we collected all of your simmering questions. We had so much fun reading the responses (keep’em coming!!), and decided to break out the mailbox for an AMA episode! The survey will stay open, we read every entry religiously, so consider that a way to let us know about your questions, concerns, thoughts, anything you would like us to know. You can also email us at [email protected].

【时间轴 The When】

• 01:20 “如果读phd的话想要读什么专业？”

• 14:21 “好奇几位主播平时喜欢听什么音乐类型呀，走路或者休息的时候会听什么呢？”

• 24:02 “想问问各位主播的书单” / “主播们是怎么能找到那么多好看的影视作品的？”

• 50:09 “近期生活里有哪些新经验，或者新尝试，感觉如何？”

• 01:06:59 “想知道每位主播最欣赏另外三位的什么？”

• 01:20 "What major would you want to study if you were to pursue a Ph.D.?"

• 14:21 “I'm curious about what types of music you usually like to listen to. What do you listen to when walking or resting?”

• 24:02 “I want to ask about the reading lists of each host." / "How do the hosts manage to find so many good films and TV shows?”

• 50:09 “What are some new experiences or trials you've had recently in life, and how do you feel about them?”

• 01:06:59 “I want to know what each host most admires about the other three hosts”

【疲惫红书 CyberRed】

除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。

Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu!

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【聊了什么The What】

准备这期节目的时候，我脑子里一直出现西班牙艺术家弗朗西斯科·戈雅的的一副版画——《怪物诞生于理性的梦中》。在一定程度上，奥本海默讲述的就是这样的一个故事：人类在打开潘多拉的盒子、把公式里隐藏的魔法释放到人间，却无法控制释放出来的东西。年初ChatGPT出现的时候，许多人开始担心人类是否面临着另一个“奥本海默时刻”、是否释放了另一个可能毁灭我们自己的怪物？而对另一些人来说，沉湎于科幻般的未来本身就是值得批判的。

这期节目，我们继续这场关于电影《奥本海默》的对话。在这一集中我们讨论了钱学森的一生，与奥本海默自己的故事作了平行对比，探讨了由科学开放性与国家忠诚之间的张力引发的伦理问题，并探讨了我们自己对“AI末日论”的看法。

In preparing this episode, my mind kept going back to a print by the Spanish artist Francisco Goya – The Dream of Reason Produces Monsters. Its themes resonate eerily with the moral complexities of Oppenheimer – a man haunted by the monster he dreamed into reality. When ChatGPT went live earlier this year, many people started asking – does humanity face another Oppenheimer moment? Did we unleash another monster? – and many others started to find that question itself distracting, or even dangerous.

As we delve into the second installment of our conversation on Oppenheimer, this episode also shines a spotlight on Qian Xuesen's life, drawing parallels with Oppenheimer's own story. We probe the ethical issues arising from the dichotomy between scientific openness and national allegiance, and unpack the burgeoning anxiety around an so-called AI apocalypse.

【时间轴 The When】

• 00:00 钱学森和奥本海默人生的平行与交错
• 10:34 科学家身份与国族身份之间的张力
• 26:07 我们该如何讲述原子弹的故事
• 35:09 “人工智能”是下一个原子弹吗？
• 00:00 The Parallels and Intersections in the Lives of Qian Xuesen and Oppenheimer
• 10:34 The Tension Between Scientific Identity and National Identity
• 26:07 How Should We Narrate the Story of the Atomic Bomb?
• 35:09 Are we facing another Oppenheimer moment?

【拓展链接 The Links】

• Our Oppenheimer Moment: The Creation of A.I. Weapons
• Oppenheimer and After
• Ordinary Notes
• Copenhagen
• HSS at the Movies

【疲惫红书 CyberRed】

除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。

Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu!

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【聊了什么The What】

「念奴娇·昆仑」里有这样的诗词，仿佛让我们看到了平地而起的蘑菇云，和原子弹之父奥本海默面对广袤的新墨西哥州的沙漠的剪影：

横空出世，莽昆仑，阅尽人间春色。 飞起玉龙三百万，搅得周天寒彻。 夏日消溶，江河横溢，人或为鱼鳖。 千秋功罪，谁人曾与评说？

从1945年原子弹爆炸的那一刻起，人类已经在原子弹威胁阴影之下生活了八十年；而对于它千古功罪的“评说”从未停止。这个夏天，导演克里斯托弗·诺兰为我们呈上了新的作品《奥本海默》，讲述了原子弹之父复杂和不为人知的人生，原子弹和他的创造者的故事被一起投射到了70mm的IMAX巨幕上，我们也穿越诺兰的镜头，看到了奥本海默与原子弹的纠葛——然而这部电影对于许多话题选择了缄默。

疲惫娇娃邀请来两位前物理学家——前高能理论物理学家赵智沉和前实验粒子物理学家程扬扬——参与了一场长达两小时的对话，并剪辑成上下两集呈现给大家。在第一部分中，我们反思了电影的叙事选择和视觉语言，揭示了核历史中被隐藏和被埋葬的许多角色——原住民、女性、被殖民的国家和国民、原子弹的受害者们。同时我们也从核武器的历史角度展开，探讨了他们的科学背景如何塑造他们对这一令人难忘的电影体验的独特视角。

How do you even begin to tell the story of the Atomic bomb, when humanity split the atom out of wartime desperation, and finally created the ability to destroy ourselves? For eight decades, we've lived in its looming shadow, a tool of annihilation that has redefined global geopolitics and provoked existential inquiries that span generations. It takes a filmmaker like Christopher Nolan to project it onto the grand canvas of a 70mm IMAX screen. Enter 'Oppenheimer,' this summer's epic blockbuster.

To discuss the film, two former physicists - Zhao Zhichen, a former theoretical physicist, and Cheng Yangyang, an experimental particle physicist - engaged in a two-hour conversation to unpack the summer epic blockbuster Oppenheimer. In the first part, we reflect on the narrative choices and visual language of the film, uncovering many overlooked figures in nuclear history - indigenous peoples, women, colonized nations and citizens, victims of the bomb. We also explore how their backgrounds in nuclear physics inform their unique perspectives on this memorable cinematic experience.

【时间轴 The When】

• 02: 37 安利节目：属于我们社群的一档关于美国政治新闻的播客『美轮美换』上线啦！

• 03: 30 「奥本海默」第一观影印象

• 15: 00 电影采用了哪种叙事、忽视了哪些人物？

• 24: 05 电影中被抹去的人 —- 受害者，女性，原住民

• 25: 50 原子弹的解脱视角是什么？为什么标志性的“蘑菇云”这个视角有问题？

• 39: 30 如果物理学有一种旋律，这个旋律在物理学家二种听起来是什么样的？

• 46: 25 物理学家所研究的东西，无论是庞大微小还是抽象，在多大程度上影响了ta们看待世界的方式？

• 02:37 - Show highlight: Our friends' US politics podcast "美轮美换" is live!

• 03:30 - First impressions of "Oppenheimer"

• 15:00 - What narrative techniques does the film use, and whose stories does it overlook? Nolan's "overreach" and contradictions

• 24:05 - Who is erased from the film – the victims of atomic bomb, the women, and the indigenous people

• 25:50 - What is the redemptive perspective on the atomic bomb? Why is the iconic "mushroom cloud" visual problematic?

• 39:30 - If physics has a tune, what does that music sound like to physicists?

• 46:25 - To what extent does the scale and abstraction of their research shape physicists' worldviews?

【拓展链接 The Links】

• Our Oppenheimer Moment: The Creation of A.I. Weapons
• Oppenheimer and After
• Ordinary Notes
• Copenhagen
• HSS at the Movies

【疲惫红书 CyberRed】

除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。

Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu!

【买咖啡 Please Support Us】

如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡：

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If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following:

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【聊了什么The What】

Barbie是一部不需要介绍的电影。

从女性主义导演Greta Gerwig决定接受Barbie电影拍摄的那天起，疲惫娇娃的集体直觉就告诉我们，这部电影将会是一个和我们——作为女性创作者和评论者——不断交织的重要作品：它是我们在当下需要的文本，它是一部需要被拍出来、需要被我们看到、被我们被讨论的电影。电影中最核心的议题也是我们在这么多年以来关注和参与议题；电影对男权社会的戏谑和抛梗、对现实的无奈和失望、对女性自身的矛盾冲突、对于“个人觉醒”的描写，都映射出我们一路走来歪歪扭扭的足迹。这串足迹是集体的，也是个人的。

如果说看Barbie电影是场集体行为，参与它的程度从“狂欢”到“郑重”是一个延续的光谱，那么我们试图去参与这个光谱的每一段。芭比上映当天，拥抱粉色夏日的轻松和充满荧光色的芭比式的快乐；看完芭比之后，不断地回忆情节，阅读历史，阅读影评，自省，录制播客。这场夏天袭来的粉红色风暴让我们录制了一起很长的播客，我们聊了很多很多。

“Barbie” needs no introduction.

From the moment acclaimed feminist filmmaker Greta Gerwig took the helm of this project, the CyberPink team has intuited that this film would resonate deeply with us—as women content creators peering into pop culture. Barbie is the movie we need right now—one destined to be made, seen, and discussed by a new generation of women who experienced this cultural icon in our own ways. Its central themes echo our longtime theses: gender power dynamics, women’s role in society, the conflicts we grapple with, and paths to self-actualization. Through clever satire of patriarchal tropes, raw disappointment with the real world, surprisingly sharp critiques of the tensions women face, and an arc of personal awakening, Barbie reflects our collective zig-zagging journey. For us, watching Barbie is a communal experience, spanning a spectrum from playful reverie to solemn rumination. On the opening day, we reveled in the gleeful pink fever dream of Barbie. Then came endless rehashing of plotlines, contextual research, reviews, introspection, and of course, culminating in this podcast episode that unpacks it all. This pink storm led to an epic 2-and-half-hour recording session. The film resonates as both a cultural touchstone and an opportunity for personal reflections —an instant classic to savor alone and together.

【时间轴 The When】

• 01:53 Barbie不只是一部电影，是今夏一个席卷全球的文化现象

• 05:35 疲惫芭比们在布鲁克林的观影体验：扮演女性气质

• 11:25 这部芭比大IP是如何被拍出来的？

• 16:41 我们最喜欢的电影情节/场景：真实的虚假、群Ken乱舞

• 24:05 芭比世界里的男性角色以及电影对男性气质的刻画和调侃

• 38:02 芭比的历史包袱：隐含颠覆意味的“永恒女性“

• 45:48 当我们用第三波女权主义的视角纳米级审视1960年代孕育出来的商业产物

• 47:55 展开讲讲肯娃娃这个邻家肌肉男形象是怎么被创造出来的

• 50:22 芭比作为一个产品和文化符号有哪些时代限制？

• 54:03 芭比与身材焦虑——腰究竟为什么这么细？

• 56:50 我们的成长过程中，芭比扮演过什么样的角色

• 1:09:00 芭比的本质，芭比的存在，一定就是反女性主义的吗?

• 1:12:56 被导演Greta Gerwig重塑了的芭比是不是成了消费主义的“女权买办”？

• 1:25:56 我们纷纷离开了Barbieland，然后呢？

• 1:34:24 我们能否允许普通芭比的存在？（疲惫娇娃或成最大赢家？

• 01:53 “Barbie” is not just a movie, it’s the global cultural phenomenon of this summer

• 05:35 Our own experience watching Barbie in New York, dressing up as Barbie as “drag”

• 11:25 How did this movie come about? The push and pull between Mattel, Margot Robbie, and Greta Gerwig

• 16:41 Our favorite scenes from the movie: Barbieland, the Ken dance

• 24:05 How the movie portrays and pokes fun at masculinity — Ken, Allen, and Mattel executives

• 38:02 Barbie’s historical baggage and her role as “the forever woman”

• 45:48 Scrutinizing Barbie with today’s values

• 47:55 How did Ken get invented? What happened with his “bump”

• 50:22 Barbie’s limitation as a commercial product and her role in cultural commentary

• 54:03 Barbie has the body of that of a drag queen; Barbie and body image anxiety

• 56:50 What role did Barbie play in the lives of CyberPink hosts as girls growing up in China in the 90s?

• 1:09:00 Is Barbie’s existence anti-feminism? Can Barbie grow and change?

• 1:12:56 The underlying conflict and complicity between Greta Girwig’s Barbie and capitalism

• 1:25:56 We left Barbieland, then what? Our discussions about the movie’s ending

• 1:34:24 Can we give space for the existence of a normal, tired Barbie?

【拓展链接 The Links】

• [A Six-Decade Tour of Barbie’s Dreamhouses]https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/14/style/barbie-dreamhouse-history-six-decades.html
• [After “Barbie,” Mattel Is Raiding Its Entire Toybox] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/07/10/after-barbie-mattel-is-raiding-its-entire-toybox
• [Is Your Carbon Footprint BS?]https://gimletmedia.com/shows/howtosaveaplanet/llh8gxg/is-your-carbon-footprint-bs
• [“Forever Barbie：The Unauthorized Biography of a Real Doll”]https://www.amazon.com/Forever-Barbie-Unauthorized-Biography-Real/dp/0802776949
• [Greta Gerwig’s ‘Barbie’ Dream Job]https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/11/magazine/greta-gerwig-barbie.html

【疲惫红书 CyberRed】

除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。

Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu!

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【聊了什么The What】

本期关于性，而且只关于性——这个在当代社会和日常生活无法被绕过的话题，一把了解自己的钥匙。

我们趁着录制这次节目的契机，从大脑里提取出了我们关于性的记忆，哪些小时候看到的画面和角色给了我们性启蒙？同时，我们也聊了最近HBO颇有争议的一部剧集「偶像漩涡」（英语：The Idol），以及里面糟糕的对女性和性的刻画。我们也找出了一些近些年银幕上受人欢迎并且对女性的性欲有正面和积极的解读，鼓励我们去直视自己的欲望。

娇娃画外音：本集播客提到的所有性行为和对于性的解读都是出自于我们的个人经历，我们是以异性恋和顺直女身份的视角去观察和谈论性，所以会有异性恋中心主义的局限性。 录制期间我们将西门庆说成了“妹夫”，西门庆不是妹夫也不想做妹夫，望周知。

本期节目是由“成年人世界里的一点甜”的女性情趣品牌——大人糖赞助的定制播客。在本期节目里你能听到疲惫娇娃们对进阶新产品”兔子月“的细致使用体验。

In this episode, we talk about a very under-explored topic in pop culture -- sex (lol) We reminisce about the pop culture characters from childhood that sparked our sexual awakening. We critique the controversial HBO series "The Idol" for its terrible portrayals of desirability and sex. We also discuss recent shows praised for their positive depictions of female sexuality, encouraging women to embrace their own wants and needs.

A note from CyberPink - our perspectives come from personal experiences as cis heterosexual women, which come with inherent limitations.

This episode is sponsored by the female sexual wellness brand OSUGA. Tune in to hear our thoughts on their sex toy "Rabbit Moon"!

【听众福利 The Deal】

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【时间轴 The When】

01:50 几个见过世面的娇娃们对进阶新产品“兔子月”大呼牛逼，并且激情介绍产品详情和真实使用体验（此次聊了整整十分钟）

10: 08 疲惫娇娃们的银幕性启蒙，大陆影视剧中拧巴的女性性主体和港台片中媚骨天成的女性角色们

14:10 迪士尼版本「巴黎圣母院」中的性压抑：性力量能转化成黑暗和毁灭

17:25 「情深深 雨濛濛」中的两代女性悲剧，以及银幕上平凡的性

21:27 「赎罪」中禁忌和跨越阶级的性

25:40 女性仍然卡在”不知道如何表达性需求“这一步

28:20 HBO的「The Idol 偶像漩涡」中对女性身体和性的糟糕刻画

42:20 Netflix的「Never Have I Ever 好想做一次」中积极的性理念

49:17 骄傲月中的灵感

01:50 We rave about the advanced new product "Rabbit Moon" and enthusiastically (maybe too much) introduce product details and real user experiences (we talked for a full 10 minutes!)

10:08 Cyberpink’s sexual awakenings from movies and TV shows - twisted female sexual subjects in mainland Chinese media vs alluring female characters in Hong Kong & Taiwanese media

14:10 Sexual repression in the Disney version of "The Hunchback of Notre Dame": sexual power can transform into darkness and destruction

17:25 Two generations of women's tragedies in "Romance in the Rain", and mundane sex on screen

21:27 Forbidden and cross-class sex in "Atonement"

25:40 Women still don’t know how to express sexual needs

28:20 HBO's "The Idol" and its terrible portrayals of the female body and sexuality

42:20 The positive sexual ethos in Netflix's "Never Have I Ever"

49:17 Asian sex icons and inspirations during Pride Month

【拓展链接 The Links】

偶像旋涡 (The Idol)

好想做一次 (Never Have I Ever)

赎罪 (Atonement)

【疲惫红书 CyberRed】

除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。

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If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following:

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【聊了什么The What】 《过往人生》是新锐导演Celine Song的首部长篇电影，故事讲述女主角Nora（由Greta Lee饰演）和童年时期相恋的青梅竹马Hae Sung（由刘台午饰演）因移民原因分开二十年后，在纽约相遇的情节。此时的Nora已经与Arthur（由John Magaro饰演）组建了家庭。这是我们几个人今年到现在为止看到的最好的原创剧本电影，而且引发了很多对过去人生阶段的反省和思考。女主角Nora本身就像是我们身边亲密的朋友，她的出走、取舍、对梦想的追求和掌握自己人生命运的态度也让我们看到自己的影子。

"Past Lives" is the first feature film by director Celine Song. The movie tells the story of Nora (played by Greta Lee) reuniting with her childhood sweetheart Hae Sung (played by Teo Yoo) after 20 years in New York. But by now, Nora has formed a family with Arthur (played by John Magaro) and is chasing her dream to be a successful playwright. It's the best original scripted film we've seen this year, and it provokes some soul-searching and reflections on our own past life stages. The heroine Nora is like a close friend of ours. Her leaving, staying, pursuit of dreams, and determination to control her own fate remind us of our own paths to our current life.

【时间轴 The When】

• 01:51 对电影的第一印象

• 9:24 选角的巧妙 -- “双开门”沉默如山的韩国男人

• 11:34 镜头语言、背景音乐中的紧迫感和松散感

• 23:20 电影的结尾必须“完美”

• 29:55 这是一个关于移民的故事

• 32:22 年轻女性的出走和离开是自我实现中重要的部分

• 36:00 跨文化婚姻中健康和不健康的权力结构

• 46:15 为什么说Nora是有自主能动性的女性角色

• 01:51 Our first impressions of the movie

• 9:24 Casting choice: a silent but strong masculine type

• 11:34 How camera movements and background music build and release tension

• 23:20 The "perfect ending" of this movie

• 29:55 At its core, this is a story about immigration

• 32:22 "Leaving" and its importance to women's self-realization

• 36:00 Healthy and not-so-healthy power dynamics within a white-Asian couple

• 46:15 Why Nora is a female character with real agency

【拓展链接 The Links】

• A Woman Satisfied: Alyssa Songsiridej on the Refreshing Lack of Regret in Past Lives
• ‘Past Lives’ Review: Longing for a Future
• 《前世》：颠覆爱情电影，超越身份政治

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【聊了什么The What】

为了抵制创作零工化和资本借用语言大模型去剥削本已经雪上加霜的编剧们，好莱坞的编剧们从从五月初开始了一场由工会WGA带领的旷日持久的罢工。上万名编剧加入罢工运动 ，多档谈话类节目停播，我们喜欢的深夜脱口秀和很多剧集都不同程度地受到了影响。 这集疲惫娇娃从这场罢工谈起，拷问资本，拷问人工智能的幽灵，以及解读被流媒体资本蚕食的处境堪忧的好莱坞创意“劳工”的处境。我们为此采访了电视电影编剧以及导演Maegan Houang黃志信，她也是此次WGA工会的罢工领袖(strike captain)之一。此次采访是英文，所以Maegan的观点由小蓝转述。

Movie and TV writers started a prolonged strike led by the Writers Guild of America (WGA) in early May, demanding better revenue share from the studios and protection from the threat of artificial intelligence. The strike has resulted in the suspension of multiple talk shows, some of our favorite late-night shows, and delayed production of many drama series.

In this episode of CyberPink, we talk about the reasons behind this strike, and how streaming and the era of prestige TV changed the industry's revenue structure. We interviewed director and writer Maegan Houang, who is a strike captain at WGA, about why she decided to start the strike and what she thinks the studios need to do. The points she made (the interview was in English) were relayed and incorporated throughout the episodes.

【时间轴 The When】

1:10 好莱坞编剧大罢工是什么？发生了什么？

06:40 剧集创作零工化的真实代价

10:35 神圣的“编剧室“模式已经破产？

18:10 WGA和生成式大语言模型的对峙：如何区分人工智能创作与人的创作？

23:30 人类和”人工智能“的第一次接触，与第二次接触; 人类是否注定要向多巴胺妥协

28:00 需要被拷问的不是大语言模型，而是资本之后人的贪婪

34:50 工会存在的意义

1:10 What is the WGA strike about? What changes in the industry led to it?

06:40 The real cost of gigification in writing

10:35 Has the sacred “writers’ room” model gone bankrupt?

18:10 Writers vs. generative large language models: the need to distinguish AI creation from human creation?

23:30 The first and second encounters between humans and “Artificial Intelligence”

28:00 Large language model vs. human greed

34:50 The significance of unions

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【聊了什么The What】 一部跨时代的美剧就这样结束了。媒体公司Waystar的王座尘埃落定，陪伴我们多年的Logan Roy和四个废物儿女也终于鞠躬谢幕。这部剧推出的时候美国还处在川普任期中，结束的时候美国处在疫情之后的余烬里。有人认为他是一个紧贴着我们生活的世界的多元宇宙，是我们时代精神的缩影；也有人认为他商战剧的外表下真正讲述的故事是关于家庭和创伤。我们所处的这个时代中所有的权力——父权，金钱，政治——都被编剧放在手术台上解剖；我们对于权力结构的看法可能前所未有的被这部剧彻底改变了。

Alas, it is over. The fight for the throne of media conglomerate Waystar Royco has settled. The king, Logan Roy, alongside his four hapless offsprings, have finally taken their bow. The show launched during the peak of the Trump era and ended as the U.S. smolders in the aftermath of a pandemic. Every form of power that is inherent to our era — patriarchy, money, politics — has been laid bare, scrutinized, taken apart on the screenwriter's operation table. Our perceptions of power structures might have been irrevocably reshaped by this show, in ways we cannot quite put into words yet. But still, we try in this episode:

【时间轴 The When】

• 01:53 对大结局的看法

• 11:24 继承之战照进现实——CNN的换帅大戏，2020年大选

• 19:09 错位的道德坐标

• 33:23 倒数第二集的四段独白

• 59:29 作为演员的Jeremy Strong和作为角色的Kendall

• 01:09:12 人是可以成长的吗？

• 01:53 Thoughts on the Grand Finale

• 11:24 The Drama of CNN's Leadership Change, the Legacy of the 2020 Election

• 19:09 Succession’s Displaced Moral Compass

• 33:23 The Four Monologues in the Penultimate Episode

• 59:29 Jeremy Strong as an Actor and Kendall as a Character

• 01:09:12 Can People Really Grow?

【拓展链接 The Links】

• INSIDE THE MELTDOWN AT CNN

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【聊了什么The What】

这是一期和友台《珊越拾穗》的串台节目！ 一起聊天的三个女的分别是：林珊，小蓝，明雪

《重启人生》是一部让人会心一笑的日式人间轻喜剧，主角麻美在意外死亡之后发现自己可以重新回到婴儿时期活一遍，在经历了五次重生之后她逐渐意识到了自己活着的意义，最终回到家乡和童年挚友度过了平静又美好的余生。编剧笨蛋节奏用举重若轻的方式讨论生死的宏大命题，看似处处闲笔却能勾勒出一个真实立体的世界，让不同文化背景和年龄的观众产生强烈的情感共鸣。这一集里，我们讨论了日本的“地元系”、“空气系”、和“世界系”叙事，“宽松世代”心态和现实社会中的贫困问题。故事里的主角和朋友们有一种笃定和闲适的人生态度，而她所在的北熊谷也是一个乌托邦式的熟人社会，与孤独的当代原子社会背道而驰。如果说日式漫才里有负责吐槽的“直人”和负责执拗的“怪人”，这部剧的妙处在于它温柔地提醒了电视机前的我们对随时可能降临的死亡如何拒不接受，以及对“不平凡“的执念。

"Brush up Life" is a Japanese comedy about Kondo Asami, who discovers that she can go back to being a baby and relive her life after dying in an accident at 33. After experiencing five reincarnations, she gradually realizes the meaning of her rebirth and ultimately returns to her hometown to live out her days with her childhood friends. The screenwriter, BakaRhythm, uses a light touch to discuss the grand theme of life and death, outlining a world that allows us to feel such a strong emotional resonance with the characters despite being from different backgrounds. The protagonist in the story has a sense of certainty about who she is and a relaxed attitude toward conventional success. Her hometown is depicted as a utopian community opposite from our atomized society. The brilliance of this drama lies in its gentle reminder of the unreasonable way we refuse to accept that death could come at any moment in life, as well as our obsession with being extraordinary.

【时间轴 The When】

• 00:02:32 节奏缓慢的电视剧是件激进的事情

• 00:04:30 日本的炼狱系

• 00:05:35 《重启人生》没有去触碰重生剧的痛点

• 00:07:03 日本的世界系

• 00:08:35 日本的地元系：专注小地方，讨论“我们的地方”

• 00:09:20 回到故乡（小城市）与离开故乡（到大城市、出国）的对比

• 00:11:03 日本的空气系

• 00:13:00 思考日本现实社会中的贫困问题

• 00:15:10 对日本作为后稀缺（post-scarcity）社会的想象

• 00:15:44 日本的外来打工移民

• 00:16:35 日本的相对贫困问题

• 00:18:25 日本的泡沫经济与后稀缺社会有所联

• 00:19:55 躺平的人和内卷的人殊途同归

• 00:21:45 日本的宽松世代；横向连结与纵向连结

• 00:25:48 飞行员的设定

• 00:27:30 《重启人生》对死亡的思考

• 00:30:25 《重启人生》中的佛教轮回概念

• 00:31:20 《重启人生》代入感强烈

• 00:35:40 《重启人生》的漫才节奏；直人与怪人；重复

• 00:41:05 反对上价值

• 00:43:10 日常生活中的况味

• 00:48:10 人生的捷径与修行

• 00:49:50 日韩影音在全球流通的对比

• 00:54:05 大荧幕与小屏幕的对比

• 00:59:15 主演安藤樱

• 01:02:10 《重启人生》没有挑战社会主流价值

• 00:02:32 - It's a radical thing to produce a slowly-paced TV drama.

• 00:05:35 - "Brush up Life" did not touch on the pain points of rebirth dramas.

• 00:07:03 - Japan's "world" genre.

• 00:08:35 - Japan's "local" genre: Focusing on small places and discussing "our place."

• 00:09:20 - The comparison between returning to hometowns (small cities) and leaving hometowns (going to big cities or overseas).

• 00:11:03 - Japan's "atmosphere" genre.

• 00:13:00 - Reflecting on poverty issues in Japanese society.

• 00:15:10 - Imagining Japan as a post-scarcity society.

• 00:15:44 - Japan's foreign migrant workers.

• 00:16:35 - Japan's relative poverty issue.

• 00:18:25 - The connection between Japan's bubble economy and post-scarcity society.

• 00:19:55 - The different paths of "lying flat" and "involution."

• 00:21:45 - Japan's "loose" generation

• 00:27:30 - "Brush up Life" explores death.

• 00:30:25 - The Buddhist reincarnation concept in the show

• 00:35:40 - The comedic rhythm of "Brush up Life"

• 00:49:50 - The comparison of Japanese and Korean dramas in the global market

• 00:59:15 - Why we love Sakurai Ando.

• 01:02:10 - "Brush up Life" did not challenge mainstream social values.

【拓展链接 The Links】

• 《奇巧计程车》
• 《宽松世代又如何》影评
• 有日剧气质的美国导演Kelly Reichardt 新片《Showing Up 好戲登場》
• 为什么日本年轻人不愿意出国
• 东京贫困女子
• 高中生穷忙族

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【聊了什么The What】

在流行文化中，女性的身体似乎是可塑的：小红书告诉你只要自律加上运气，你想要什么样的身材都唾手可得。然而，人和食物的真实关系往往是拧巴而痛苦的。我们的狩猎采集者祖先为了生存，在十几万年中进化出了对糖分和脂肪的渴望；而在几十年中，现代食品工业让糖分和脂肪突然变的唾手可取，馋虫每一天都无数次试探我们意志力的边缘。近期的新药——也就是卡戴珊身材巨变的钥匙——Ozempic在美国引发了巨大的讨论。肥胖是意志力薄弱的体现吗？在身体依旧长期被商品化的世界里，我们该如何看待Ozempic“躺瘦”的诱惑？

In the realm of popular culture, the female body appears to be infinitely malleable: social media promises that with discipline and luck, any desired physique is within reach. But in reality, our relationship with food often twists into a painful knot. Our hunter-gatherer ancestors evolved an insatiable craving for sugar and fat; in mere decades, the modern food industry has made these indulgences effortlessly accessible, incessantly tempting our willpower at every turn. Recently, a new drug called Ozempic — the key to the Kardashian-esque metamorphosis from silicon-injected peaches to sinny Barbies — has ignited a fervent debate in America. Does obesity signify a weakness of will? In a world where the body remains commodified, how should we perceive the seductive allure of Ozempic's promise of effortless slimming? Is fat bias systemic and how do we fight against it?

【时间轴 The When】

• 02:46 Ozempic是什么，为什么他引发了如此多讨论？

• 16:05 肥胖与医疗系统、社会阶层的复杂关系

• 45:17 我们为什么不喜欢《鲸》？

• 02:46 What is Ozempic and why has it sparked so much debate?

• 16:05 The complex relationship between obesity, the healthcare system, and social class

• 45:17 Why don't we like "Whale"?

【拓展链接 The Links】

• Will the Ozempic Era Change How We Think About Being Fat and Being Thin?
• Life After Food
• An Extreme Risk of Taking Ozempic: Malnutrition
• Does energy imbalance (calories in > out) cause obesity?
• Diet culture can hurt kids. This author advises parents to reclaim the word 'fat'

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【聊了什么The What】

A24最新大热剧集「怒呛人生」aka ”Beef“讲述的是两名陌生人在各自人生的低谷因一起路怒事件结下了梁子，在一系列逐渐升级的复仇之后犹如镜子般映照出彼此的最我毁灭。这部剧在中国互联网上大受好评，引发一系列对于东亚原生家庭中的”心理债务“以及男弱女强的婚姻关系的讨论。然而在北美，韩裔艺术家David Choe的性侵言论争议让这部口碑极佳的剧集蒙上一层阴影。

In this episode, we are talking about A24's latest hit show "Beef," how it serves up Asian American fury, discuss intergenerational trauma, power dynamic and class differences within a marriage, and the limitation of therapy. We also discuss the controversy over David Choe, who plays Issac in the show.

本节目有关于性的提及，请酌情收听。This episode is explicit in every way. Please listen with caution.

ALSO, MAJOR SPOILER ALERT! 剧透警告！！

【时间轴 The When】

• 0:00-9:22 广告时间：UPKO

• 11:30 对《怒呛人生》第一印象

• 15:04 Danny和他的韩裔移民父母对幸福的强烈不信任

• 17:52 Amy和老公George之间的复杂的婚姻关系

• 30:32 Amy和Danny是彼此最无法面对的镜像

• 39:38 剧名Beef：吃掉两人“过节”的牛肉

• 43:36 为什么《怒呛人生》在国内这么火？中国的观众为什么会被如此具体的美国加州亚裔生活经历触动？

• 51:42 Cousin Issac的角色，韩裔美国人在洛杉矶的历史背景

• 58:21 Cousin Issac的选角背后的争议，种族歧视以及有害的男性气质

• 1:09:36 Jordan，脸谱化的白人女富豪

• 1:13:05 魔幻现实主义的元素：土地，浆果，乌鸦

• 1:17:28 请不要关掉音频哦此刻有彩蛋

• 0:00-9:22 Sponsored Ad for UPKO

• 11:30 First impressions of Beef

• 15:04 Danny and his family's pessimistic view on life

• 17:52 Amy and George's situationship

• 30:32 Amy and Danny are "divine twins"

• 39:38 The meaning behind the name beef

• 43:36 Why is Beef so popular in China

• 51:42 Cousin Issac and Korean American history in LA

• 58:21 The controversial casting of David Choe for Cousin Issac

• 1:09:36 Jordan, the token white woman

• 1:13:05 Magical realism elements: dirt, psychedelics, and crows

• 1:17:28 Don't leave just yet, we have an easter egg for you

【本集嘉宾 The Guests】

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【拓展链接 The Links】 David Choe是谁？

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【聊了什么The What】

我们最近对HBO制作的游戏改编电视剧《最后生还者》十分着迷，于是果断邀请我们的好朋友Sophia一起来深入探讨这个制作精良的节目。其中一个很大的主题就是，爱是否可以征服一切？在世界末日之下，是什么支撑着男女主角活下去？ 在此有大型剧透警告：我们将深入讨论剧情和比较有争议的大结局，所以如果还没有去看剧的请先看了再回来听，或者做好被剧透的准备来听我们的安利。

We are obsessed with the video game adaptation TV series by HBO, The Last of Us, and invited our old friend Sophia (screenwriter) to join us in diving into the details of this well-made show. Love is a major theme of the show -- but does it conquer all? Does it forgive all faults? Does the end justify the means? Tune in to find out. Major spoiler alert, we will be discussing several episodes and the ending as well, so this is your reminder to watch the show if you haven't, or be prepared to find out what (controversy) happens at the end.

【时间轴 The When】

• 1:42 游戏改编佳作《最后生还者》剧情简介，（全集）剧透警告

• 4:08 追剧初体验：游戏玩家与普通观众为何都喜欢

• 8:42 第三集：足以载入影史的暖心末日恋情，突破直男壁垒

• 17:41 第五集：Joel和Ellie的镜像人物：哥哥Henry和弟弟Sam，以及世界末日下对孩童的刻画

• 24:57 第七集：Ellie和Riley的懵懂初恋

• 29:18 第八集：Ellie的自我成长

• 34:08 第九集 / 大结局：爱是否可以征服一切？

• 48:36 思想实验：该如何应对世界末日

• 54:15 表扬HBO对于游戏情节细节的致敬

• 57:17 咱们闷骚的爹（daddy变身father）：Pedro Pascal和他的一些趣闻

• 1:42 Plot summary of the game adaptation masterpiece "The Last of Us", major spoiler warning

• 4:08 Our initial thoughts: Why gamers and regular viewers alike all love it

• 8:42 Episode 3: A heartwarming doomsday love story, breaking through the straight male barrier

• 17:41 Episode 5: Joel and Ellie's mirrored characters: siblings Henry and Sam, and the portrayal of children in the post-apocalyptic world

• 24:57 Episode 7: Ellie and Riley's innocent first love

• 29:18 Episode 8: Ellie's self-growth as a character

• 34:08 Episode 9 / Grand Finale: Can love conquer all?

• 48:36 Thought experiment: How to approach the end of the world

• 54:15 Praising HBO's tribute to the game plot details

• 57:17 Our beloved "daddy" becomes a "father": Pedro Pascal and anecdotes

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【聊了什么The What】 上周第95届奥斯卡颁奖典礼上，我们喜爱的《瞬息全宇宙》几乎横扫所有被提名的奖项，一举拿下最佳影片，最佳导演，最佳女主角，最佳男配角，最佳女配角等奖项。本次奥斯卡提名作品总体水平中规中矩，也没有什么特别引人注目的表现，我们给大家一笔带过介绍一下。本期节目的重点讨论是横扫奥斯卡大奖的电影——《瞬息全宇宙》。除了该电影夺奖的情况，我们还讨论了它背后普遍共享的情感主题（人与父母之间的关系），电影如何紧扣时代脉搏，以及关继威和杨紫琼的职业生涯。多谢大家收听！

"Everything Everywhere All At Once" swept the 95th Academy Awards last week. In this episode, we break down the universal themes behind the movie, why it's considered a zeitgeist of our times, as well as the career trajectory of Ke Huy Quan and Michelle Yeoh. We also briefly discuss other Oscars frontrunner nominees, and why we haven't watched most of them.

【时间轴 The When】

• 1:07 看了和没有看的第95届奥斯卡提名作品：《造梦之家》，《达荷美女战士》，《壮志凌云2：独行侠》 ，《鲸鱼》，《伊尼舍林的报丧女妖》

• 16:52 非常不“好莱坞”的《瞬息全宇宙》横扫奥斯卡背后普遍共享的情感：人与父母的关系

• 26:31《瞬息全宇宙》如何紧扣时代脉搏

• 34:53 关继威和杨紫琼的职业生涯回顾

• 1:07 Front runners of the 95th Oscars nominees: The Fabelmans, Woman King, Top Gun: Maverick, The Whale, Banshees of Inisherin

• 16:52 The universal sentiment behind family relationships and how EEAAO swept the Oscars

• 26:31 EEAAO as the zeitgeist movie of the year

• 34:53 The story of Ke Huy Quan and Michelle Yeoh

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【聊了什么The What】

「白莲花度假村」 White Lotus 2是今年呼声最大的剧集之一，引发了无数中英文关于人性幽微、性与权力、表演性女权主义者等等问题的思考和讨论。这次我们和神交很久的好朋友Hayami聊了这部剧集。

White Lotus 2 is one of the most popular dramas of the year, sparking countless think pieces and discussions in both English and Chinese about class, about the nuanced power dynamics in relationships, sex and desire. In this episode, we invited our friend Hayami to talk about how the series was received in China and the U.S.

【时间轴 The When】

0 - 8:50 大人糖产品广告时间

10:30「白莲花度假村」的群像戏和人物简介

15:00 Ethan和Harper之间的权力/性关系

20:40 Ethan和Cameron之间的同性竞争，隐隐的较量，和勾心斗角

27:00 深挖Harper这个女性人物

29:35 深挖小助理角色

36:40 Tonya的悲剧

48:00 又迷人又天真且从未作恶的“妓女”？

57:00 意大利爷爷父子三代人是在逐代变好吗？

59:40 男性们的“女性主义”表演时刻

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10:30 Group scenes and character profiles in "White Lotus 2"

15:00 The power dynamics within Ethan and Harper's relationship

20:40 The toxic "male camaraderie," jealousy and hidden rivalry between Ethan and Cameron

27:00 Digging deeper into Harper‘s character

29:35 Why do we dislike Portia so much?

36:40 Tanya's Tragedy

48:00 The charming, innocent, and not-real female characters: Mia and Lucia

57:00 Are the three generations of men getting better at respecting women?

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【聊了什么The What】

在准备这期节目的时候，我问ChatGPT：“如果我是梁文道，会向OpenAI的创始人提出哪些问题？” ChatGPT给我的回答是：“面对着一个迅速变化的时代，我们应该如何去面对这种变化？作为一个人，我们应该如何保持自己的独特性和真实性，同时又能够适应这个变化的时代？”

或许许多人已经隐隐的感觉到，AI的技术可能会对我们的生活带来翻天覆地的变化；这种变化既让人兴奋又让人感到隐隐的不安。这期节目，我们和每天试图玩坏GPT的研究者小马、投身GPT淘金热的Y Combinator创业者小蒋、尝试把GPT带入新闻公司的媒体人小华一起聊了聊人工智能技术在过去一年给我们的启发、冲击和思考。

I asked ChatGPTto draft me a few questions to OpenAI in the style of Leung Man-tao, and it responded with - "In the face of a rapidly changing era, how do we adapt to these changes while maintaining humanity's uniqueness and authenticity? And how do we deal with the changes brought about by AI technology?" I like this question. Perhaps you are already feeling the revolutionary changes AI might bring in our lives, an equally exciting and unsettling era to be in. In this episode, we talked to a researcher, a founder and a journalist about the inspiration, impact, and reflections that AI has brought us over the past year.

【时间轴 The When】

• 02:00 给大家表演一个分角色朗读课文 Kevin Roose and his mid-night chat with “Sydney”
• 13:44 我们生活中在如何使用GPT：找选题，产品文档，搞艺术 How we use GPT in our daily lives: brainstorming, writing product documents, creating art.
• 28:30 AI为什么会“瞎编”、为什么用户可以很容易的玩坏GPT Why does AI "make up" things, and why can users easily manipulate GPT?
• 40:13 为什么大型语言模型会展示出某种价值观？AI的价值观会反过来影响人类吗？Why do large language models exhibit certain values and ideologies? Will the values of AI in turn affect humans?
• 52:30 我们会把记者、医生、律师甚至统治国家都交给AI吗？Will we entrust reporters, doctors, lawyers, or even governing nations to AI?

【拓展链接 The Links】

我们提到的一些文章和作品： 小蒋的创业项目：https://www.monterey.ai/ The Gentle Seduction：https://eyeofmidas.com/scifi/Stiegler_GentleSeduction.pdf

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【聊了什么The What】

疲惫娇娃们又录一期没有任何实质内容，只有氛围的播客……希望大家听完以后什么都没学到。

快要忘记播客名字的几个女的在冬日聚在一起，聊了最近我们的“上头下头”和人生感悟。 从喜剧演员给我们的人生启蒙，再到古埃及历史，到《最后的生还者》，再讲到人生……

【时间轴 The When】

• 01:37 一芳的上头，「最后的生还者」

• 12:30 花酱的上头，「最后的生还者」

• 20:00 小蓝的上头，「一年一度喜剧大赛」

• 37:00 一段小蓝的中年领悟

• 44:00 我们为什么不再“质疑他人的选择”

• 48:00 小杨的上头：NBA bench reaction

• 01:37 Yifang's recent obsession: The Last of Us

• 12:30 Hana-chan's recent obsession: The Last of Us

• 20:00 Xiaolan's recent obsession: Annual Comedy Competition

• 37:00 A mid-life epiphany of Xiaolan

• 44:00 Why we don't challenge other people's choices anymore

• 48:00 Xiao Yang's recent obsession: NBA bench reaction

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【聊了什么The What】

今天我们要聊的是迪士尼流媒体平台新推出的又一部星战衍生剧，《安多》。在一个充斥着危机、欺骗和阴谋的时代，卡西安·安多被卷入到对抗银河帝国残暴统治的行动中。从此他走上了一条注定成为义军英雄的道路。《星球大战外传：侠盗一号 Rogue One》的角色前传剧，但是没看过电影也不影响欣赏这部剧，甚至对星战宇宙并不了解也不会影响你欣赏这部剧。这部剧里没有原力，没有光剑，但是有小人物在银河帝国统治下的真实生活，他们的尊严和奋战。

We discussed our new favorite Star Wars show: Andor. As the prequel to Rouge one, Andor focuses on Cassian Andor and his life living under the rule of the Empire. Star Wars knowledge is not required to thoroughly enjoy the latest installment (and the most grown-up) in the ever-expanding universe of Star Wars IP.

【时间轴 The When】

• 00:00: 剧情简介 Brief overview of the show
• 02:12 安多是如何走上革命之路 How Cassian Andor became a rebel
• 22:09 银河帝国的公务员 The henchmen of the Empire
• 30:33 《安多》与其他星战影视不同之处 Andor vs. Other Star Wars IP
• 39:18 激怒银河帝国的代价 The Cost of going against the Empire

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【中文简介】

HBO的大剧「龙之家族」的第一季在一个多月前落幕。「龙之家族」以乔治·马丁的「血与火」为蓝本，背景为「权力的游戏」涉及事件的200年前，聚焦坦格利安家族以及被称之为“血龙狂舞”的内战。在「权力的游戏」的阴影当中，「龙之家族」成为了当之无愧的2022年大戏。在维斯特洛的宫闱之中，坦格利安家族的女性与权力的互动关系构成了「龙之家族」的主线。疲惫娇娃这期节目的几个女的以女性的床榻为开端，聊了聊为什么子宫、生育就构成了战争和史诗本身。

The first season of HBO's blockbuster series "The House of Dragons" ended. Based on George R. R. Martin's "Blood and Fire," "House of Dragons" is set 200 years before the events of "Game of Thrones" and focuses on the Targaryen family and the civil war known as "The Dance of the Dragons." Under the shadow of "Game of Thrones," "House of Dragons" has become a deservedly big cultural phenomenon in 2022. In the palace of Westeros, the interaction between the women of the Targaryen family and the power constitutes the main storyline of the show. In this episode, we discuss why the domestic sphere constitutes war and the epic.

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05:57 「龙之家族」的大胆换角，以及2022年的叙事方式对观众充满信任

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34:08 女性的生命体验就是史诗

35:30 Cambly插播广告时间, 小杨和tutor Jara聊一聊上头下头

42:00 战争是如何开始的？

48:10 为什么「龙之家族」很有古意？潘萌从电影工作者的视角聊一聊场景搭建、选角、机位等等

1:05:24 聊聊海蛇（我们的新daddy）和多元选角的矛盾之处

02:38 Three women's QUICK reaction to the show: why are we so attached to each character?

05:57 The bold casting change of HOTD and the trust to the audience

09:20 Two women hold up the core of the show and the integrity of the "supporting women."

20:13 Alicent evokes a great deal of empathy for us as a nonstereotypical villain

34:08 The female experience of life is epic itself

35:30 Cambly ads break - enjoy Yang's conversation with Jara!

42:00 How did the war begin?

48:10 Why is HOTD feels so archaic? Pan Meng chats about set building, casting, cinematography, and more from a filmmaker's perspective.

1:05:24 Talking about the contradictions of sea snake (our new daddy) and diverse casting in 2022

我们提到的一些文章和作品：

• Fire & Blood by George R. R. Martin

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【聊了什么The What】

「Tar 塔尔」讲述了一个大厦将倾的故事。大魔王凯特布兰切特饰演的Lydia Tar，一个站在古典音乐界顶端的女人，柏林交响乐团的指挥。然而Lydia完美的人生逐渐出现裂痕。几年前，她曾经和她的学生产生不恰当的浪漫关系，两人关系破裂后，Lydia对她实施报复。走投无路的女孩最终自杀。 事情败露之后，Lydia最终被乐团开除。本集中我们聊了Me Too，取消文化，古典音乐行业的性别歧视以及艺术和艺术家的关系。

“Tar” tells the story of Lydia Tar (Cate Blanchette), conductor of Berliner Philharmoniker, who fell from the height of the classical music industry after her inappropriate romantic involvement with a former student came to light. In this episode, we talk about the other side of “Me Too,” cancel culture and the very real sexism problems in classical music industry, and the central question of what is the relationship between Art and its creator.

【时间轴 The When】

00:00 “Tar” 这部电影讲了什么 What is the movie about?

05:25 艺术的力量来自哪里，权力又如何影响艺术 what gives art its power and what role does power play in art?

10:30 一个从“大厦”的角度来看大厦将倾的故事，metoo的另一面 Looking at a “Me Too” story from the vantage point of the abuser.

33:50 电影是否刻意模糊了“猎物”和“缪斯”的边界? Where is the line between “muse” and “prey”?

43:20 古典音乐行业的性别歧视 The vey real sexism problem of classical music industry

54:50 - 为什么电影的结尾是神来之笔 Why we absolutely love the ending of the movie

56:20 - 古典音乐的魅力在哪里 What is the charm of classical music

1:08:00 - “Tar”中的马勒五 Mahler Symphony No. 5 in “Tar”

【课外阅读 Additional Links】

• https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/08/style/tar-mahler-cate-blanchett.html

• https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/06/movies/tar-review.html

• https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2020/01/conservatories-sexual-harassment-abuse/604351/

• https://www.timesofisrael.com/critics-sing-praises-of-tar-a-surprisingly-jewish-new-film-about-classical-music/

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【聊了什么】

秋天来了，疲惫娇娃几个女的凑在一起，一起喝喝奶茶聊聊八卦，讲讲最近让我们开心或者想吐槽的事情。 以下你收听到的是一集包涵两个新栏目，“一芳八卦”和“上头下头”，的秋日特辑。

We have now entered the months of fall, and before Mariah Carey starts trending again to ring in the holiday season, we want to share with you a ~fall special~ where we dive into the juicest tea and share some of our favorite (or not so favorite things) this season.

【时间轴】

• 00:00: 新栏目之一：一方水土养一芳八卦，讲述电影《亲爱的别担心》背后的八卦

• 39:20 新栏目之二：上头 / 下头 / 中头（？）的一些事情

• 00:00: Spilling the tea behind "Don't Worry Darling" and Spitgate

• 39:20 What are we into and not into these days

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这是一期不合时宜和疲惫娇娃的串台节目，也是一场女生宿舍的四人夜谈。2012年，蔡依林就已经在《大艺术家》的歌词里劝女性不要被“缪斯”和“艺术家”的关系蓝本所迷惑、而失去自己的主体性；然而回望这十年里我们自己和身边朋友所经历的苦恼，不得不说蔡依林算是白唱了，但是人文社科的书不能白读。这期节目，我们试着从流行文化的角度拆解“缪斯”和“孤独的艺术家”的迷思，反思我们自己过去在他者和个人经验中感受到的迷失、成长以及成为自己路上的挣扎。我想这种迷惑以及获得成长的灵感一瞬并非个体的私人感受，而是作为女性共有的感受。

This is a special “girls’ chat” episode with our friends from 不合时宜. In this episode, we try to deconstruct the myth of the muse and the lone genius in pop culture and reflect on how it affected us.

【Timestamp】

• 02:35 “说的文艺一点是聊一聊男性艺术家和女性缪斯，说的不文艺一点就是骂骂男人”

• 08:17 缪斯的三重身份：素材，伴侣，粉丝

• 11:46 美国民谣皇后 Joan Baez 和 Zelda Fitzgerald

• 18:28 缪斯这个词总是和“红颜祸水”的印象联系起来

• 20:45 缪斯对面的“孤独天才“的自信是从哪里来的

• 31:30 在宏大叙事和认知失调中寻找自己作为女性的声音

• 43:28 艺术“自毁倾向”的诱惑，和如何夺回自我？

• 01:03:31 如果性别对调，这一切还成立吗

• 02:35 All of this is just an excuse to vent about men

• 08:17 The triple identity of the muse: the subject, the companion, the admirer

• 11:46 The story of Joan Baez and Zelda Fitzgerald

• 20:45 The myth of the lone genius and the source of their confidence

• 31:30 Finding your voice as a woman in the midst of grand narratives and cognitive dissonance

• 43:28 The temptation of artistic "self-destructive tendencies"

• 01:03:31 Can we tell the same story if the gender roles are reversed

我们提到的一些文章和作品：

• Joan Baez — Diamonds and Rust

• 纪录片《Woman》

• 阿列克谢耶维奇《The Unwomanly Face of War: An Oral History of Women in World War II》

• 波伏娃 《第二性》

• 电影《Almost Famous》

• 《看不见的女性》- 卡罗琳·克里亚多·佩雷斯

【本期音乐】

• 片头：小野洋子 - Every Man Has a Woman Who Loves Him
• 插曲：Joan Baez - Diamonds And Rust
• 片尾：小野洋子 - Palumbo Of The Brothers Brothers - Yes, I'm A Witch

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【聊了什么】

看完Jordan Peele的新作——科幻惊悚喜剧西部怪兽片《Nope》——之后，我们虽然不懂但是大受震撼。和Jordan Peele之前的作品一样，成功激发了全世界所有人的解读和讨论欲望。有人看到了《大白鲨》，有人看到了人与自然的关系，有人甚至看到了一篇讽刺整个文化产业的当代寓言。把所有的解读连起来，恐怕足够在电影学院开一节三个学分的鉴赏课；这期节目就当作我们给这节课交上的期末作业吧。

Jordan Peele's new sci-fi thriller-comedy western monster movie "Nope" really messed us up. Like Jordan Peele's previous works, it sparked so much discussion across the world. Some saw a tribute to Jaws, some saw a commentary on our relationship with nature, and some even saw a contemporary parable satirizing the entire image-generating content industry - so much packed into the cinematic spectacle enough for a three-credit film class. Since we won’t have your attention for an entire semester, here is the 50 minute version of our post film rant.

【时间轴】

• 00:00 Jordan Peele的科幻惊悚新片《大可不必》

• 08:54 所以这个电影到底讲了个啥？他对电影工业和当代社会发出了什么批评？

• 18:27 “奇观”的暴力

• 23:32 电影工业里被抹去的那些人

• 36:00 对社群心软、对观众信任的天才Jordan Peele

• 41:05 聊聊逃出绝命镇

• 00:00 Jordan Peele's new sci-fi thriller “Nope”

• 08:54 So what the heck is this film about? What is his critique of the film industry and contemporary society?

• 18:27 The Violence of the Spectacle

• 23:32 The people who have been erased from the film industry

• 36:00 Jordan Peele is a trusting director

• 41:05 “Get out”

【展开阅读】

• How much of those hills is gold

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【聊了什么】

这期节目，从《人生切割术》这部剧出发，我们聊到了当代工作和其他衍生的话题。在韩炳哲所说的”倦怠社会“中，工作的意义被重新定义。工作和我们的关系，也在逐渐被检验和修正。

In this episode, we talk about contemporary work and derivative topics from the drama "Severance." In what Han Byung-Chul calls the "Burnout Society," the meaning of work is being redefined. The relationship between work and us is gradually being tested and revised.

【时间轴】

• 01:30 Severance简介

• 08:40 这部剧带给我们的感觉

• 11:53 什么是compartmentalization (区隔、分离）概念？为什么大脑分离需要被警觉？这部剧的美学是怎么操纵人的情绪？

• 19:00 2008年后，时代精神的转向使我们把工作”去意义化”

• 30:38 “越有钱的人越累”是为什么

• 31:40 美国早起，中国不睡——脱离福利国家之后，越来越卷的中国和美国

• 38:30 Lumon: 公司文化成为宗教后的极端隐喻

• 48:18 什么是“dirty job"? 为什么在资本主义的劳工市场，“脏活累活”很难找到人来做？

• 56:13 当代人如何自己奴役自己？

• 01:30 Introduction to Severance

• 08:40 How the show makes us feel

• 11:53 What is the concept of compartmentalization? Why does the brain need to be alerted to separation? How does the aesthetics of the show manipulate people's emotions?

• 19:00 Post-2008, the zeitgeist shift has led us to remove meaning from our jobs

• 30:38 Why is it that "the richer you are, the busier you are"?

• 31:40 America wakes up early, China doesn't sleep - China and the U.S. are increasingly burned out after leaving the welfare state

• 38:30 Lumon: The extreme metaphor of corporate culture becoming a religion

• 48:18 What is a "dirty job"? Why is it so hard to find people to do "dirty job" in the capitalist labor market?

• 56:13 How do we people enslave ourselves?

【展开阅读】

• 韩秉哲的倦《怠社会》The Burnout Society
• Do Nothing: How to Break Away from Overworking, Overdoing, and Underliving
• The Working Poor Book by David K. Shipler
• Dirty Work: Essential Jobs and the Hidden Toll of Inequality in America, by Eyal Press

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【聊了什么】

《祝你好运，里奥·格兰德》是一部最近出品的英国喜剧剧情片，讲述了退休教师Nancy（艾玛·汤普森）在自己的丈夫去世之后，决定通过雇佣性工作者20岁出头Leo Grande（达利尔·麦克科马克）获取此生从未有过的性高潮体验。 这期节目，小蓝、小杨和一芳三位疲惫的顺直女一起聊了聊女性常见的性焦虑，为什么说性和亲密不完全是一回事，什么构造了我们对性的想象，以及为什么本片不能代表完整、真实的性工作者的体验。

Good Luck, Leo Grande is a recent dramedy from the UK, which tells the story of Nancy, a widowed retired teacher who hired a male sex worker named Leo Grande to help her achieve the first orgasm of her life. In this episode, Xiaolan, Xiaoyang and Yifang, three hetero, cis women talk about our anexiety related to sex, the difference between sex and intimacy, what shaped our imagination of sex and why the film should not be seen as an accurate nor comprehensive depiction of the experience of being a sex worker.

【时间轴】

• 03:12 对电影的第一印象，演员和角色的高光时刻。艾玛汤普森最后一幕中眼睛里亮起来的一束光意味着什么。

• 19:47 和一位性心理咨询师朋友聊了聊人们常见的关于“性”和“亲密”的疑问

• 26:13 聊聊我们现实生活中那些能迅速短期建立假性亲密关系的人

• 31:30 作为异性恋关系中的顺直女我们对性有哪些误解、想象和期待

• 38:00 电影对于性工作者的描述有什么局限

• 49:30 作为顺直女寻找爱和亲密需要面对哪些自我怀疑和自我厌恶

• 03:12 First impression of the movie, character, and actors' best moments. What does the light in Emma Thompson’s eyes stand for in the last scene?

• 19:47 We chatted with a sex therapist friend about the common questions people have about sex and intimacy,

• 26:13 People who think they have figured out a way to “hack” intimacy

• 31:30 As hetero, cis women, what are our misconceptions, imaginations, and expectations of sex

• 38:00 The movie’s depiction of sex workers and its limitations

• 49:30 The bumpy road we’ve walked in search of love and intimacy as hetero, cis women

【展开阅读】

• 《 祝你好运，里奥·格兰德》的一篇豆瓣影评
• 豆瓣影评中提到的女性主义与性工作相关书籍书单
• 《我为什么支持性交易的非罪化？》

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【聊了什么】

从去年斩获学院奖最佳影片的《健听女孩》、大热的恐怖片《寂静之地》，到漫威近期推出聋人超级英雄Makkari，似乎大荧幕上对于残障社群的展示正在悄悄发生变化。这期节目，疲惫的小杨和小蓝与疲惫的法学博士生谢仁慈、疲惫的聋校一年级班主任陈伊如一起聊了聊流行文化中关于残障的叙事，回顾并批判了我们熟悉的叙事里随处可见的健全中心主义，也大胆想象了一下流行文化应该建立一个什么样的关于残障的叙事。

From the Academy Award Best Picture “CODA” to horror blockbuster "A Quiet Place", and to Marvel's introduction of its first deaf superhero Makkari, are we catching a tide shift of deaf representation on the big screen? In this episode, we tried to unpack the disability narrative in Chinese popular culture with our two guests - special education teacher Yiru Chen, and PhD candidate on disability law Renci Xie, highlighting ableism in those tropes, and attempted to imagine a version of pop culture that includes and elevates those disadvantaged.

【时间轴】

• 05:51 “宝剑锋从磨砺出，梅花香自苦寒来”的“感动中国”叙事的陷阱

• 12:32 残障体验的多样性和个性教育计划（IEP）的重要性

• 19:00 “健全中心主义“是什么？中国的残障者需要面对哪些独有的挑战？

• 34:20 残障的定义是什么？是一种缺失，还是一种流动的状态？

• 46:30 那些需要破除的刻板印象——“卖拐”，轮椅街舞，惹人怜爱的残障女性

• 1:01:00 “我们需要创造一个对弱者友好的社会”

• 05:51 The “motivation porn” trap of creating content on disability

• 12:32 Disability is a diverse experience and the importance of Individuality Education Programs (IEPs)

• 19:00 What is "ableism"? What unique challenges do people with disabilities face in China?

• 34:20 What is the definition of a disability? Is it “an absence”, or a state in flux?

• 46:30 Stereotypes that need to be dismantled

• 1:01:00 "We need to create a society that is friendly to the disadvantaged"

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夏天又来了。 疲惫娇娃几个女的终于在纽约见面，且凑齐了一桌麻将。坐在同一张桌子上，几只麦克风摆在前面，窗外是纽约的车流和夏天。相同的频率能共振出怎样的内容？ 以下你收听到的是一集毫无准备的、即兴的夏日氛围特辑。希望听这集节目的你们，也能和好朋友在一起度过这个夏日。

Summer is here again. The girls finally met in New York and gathered under the same roof. Sitting in a room with a few microphones in front, we feel the summer permeates in the air. What kind of conversation will be sparked out? This special vibe-checking episode is a tribute to this summer and our friendship. Cheers.

【时间轴】

• 00:00: 夏天过到一半了（不对，划掉），决定录一期没有任何准备的节目，庆祝夏天

• 02:00 相互安利剧，第一部：亚特兰大

• 14:05 相互安利剧，第二部：怎么就突然开始说起了卡戴珊且慢慢失去控制？（接下来的一切内容都是卡学精华）

• 00:00: Summer is halfway through (no, fake news!), so we decided to record a show without any preparation to celebrate this summer

• 02:00 What we force others to watch, Part 1: Atlanta

• 14:05 What we force others to watch, Part 2: did we suddenly start talking about the Kardashians and don't know how to stop?

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【聊了什么】

“外宾”是个很刺眼的词，我们也会常常被指做“外宾”。我们每天输入和阅读的文字当中，有很大一部分来自于“外宾视角”下的中国。 许多英文作者、或者中国作者，用冷冰冰的英文，来向我们介绍和描述一个热气腾腾的、真实的中国。这里面的撕裂，让我们想要去做一期节目。

在英文写作中，在非虚构故事中，二代移民 VS 中国本土视角有怎样的冲突？故土和历史的距离赋予了许多华裔作家自由创作的权力，但同时他们仿佛拥有看起来很刺眼的特权。英文环境下长大的人能否准确地刻画对于在中国长大，生活的人，和人们真实经历的生活？以及如果你是一个中国出生长大的作家，用英语写作是一种对思维和真实经历的折损吗？本期请来了我们的好朋友Rui Zhong（华人二代移民）, Karoline Kan（用英语写作、常驻北京的中国记者）和Caiwei Chen（英文写作者、记者），让她们聊聊自己用英文书写的经历。

"Being foreign" is a harsh way to describe a group of people. And we are often referred to as "foreign guests". A large part of the reading we devour every day comes from this "foreign guest perspective". Many English writers, or Chinese people who write in English, would use a cold, alienated tone to portray a "real China." However, we sense China in a more vivid way. The dichotomy of competing China narratives inspired this episode.
In English writing, in non-fiction stories, what is the conflict between the perspectives of second-generation immigrants and Chinese natives? The distance between homeland and history has given many Chinese-American writers the power to create freely, but at the same time they seem to have privileges that some of us don't have. Can people who grew up in an English-speaking environment accurately describe China as a country and experience? And if you are a writer born and raised in China, is writing in English a compromise of your authentic thinking and wholeness? In this episode, we invited our friends Rui Zhong, Karoline and Caiwei to talk about their experiences of writing in English.

【时间轴】

• 00:00 这期节目的起源: 一本我们吐槽的、关于文革的虚构小说

• 08:20 二代移民 VS 中国本土视角差别在哪里

• 16:50 为什么我们会感到某种“不公”，在输出英文时，中国写作者的尝试更艰苦，要付出更多情感劳动

• 19:27 Karoline Kan用英文写自传时的经历

• 35:00 “谁的声音被听到“和身份政治叙事的短板

• 45:00 需要更多全世界都能的共情故事

• 50:20 为什么我们不再不解释 & Chaoyang Trap House广告时间

• 00:00 What inspired us to do the show: a fictional novel about the Cultural Revolution that we rant about

• 08:20 What is the difference between the second-generation immigrants and the Chinese native perspective

• 16:50 Why do we feel some kind of "injustice", Chinese writers try harder and pay more emotional labor when writing in English

• 19:27 Karoline Kan's experience writing her autobiography in English

• 35:00 "Whose voice is heard" and the identity politics

• 45:00 Need more universal stories

• 50:20 Why we don't explain in our writings anymore & the genesis story of Chaoyang Trap House

【课外阅读】

• 本期嘉宾Karoline Kan的书 Under Red Skies: Three Generations of Life, Loss, and Hope in China
• 本期开头提到的小说，Vanessa Hua，Forbidden City
• 作者采访

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从学生时代走进社会，最大的体会就是“心无旁骛”成了一种奢侈。不再依赖父母或者学校解决生活琐事，其他人也愈发依赖你的帮助和照顾；社交媒体上远在天边的苦难和近在眼前的消费主义撕扯着我们本来就稀少的注意力，仿佛时时刻刻都活在多重宇宙里，早上还没起床已经耗尽了一天的精力。回头看自己的妈妈，会愈发感到惊讶：你怎么做到的，难道拥有多线程并行工作的超能力吗？

这期节目，我们聊了大热的杨紫琼新片《瞬息全宇宙》，并聊了这些东西：

Freedom from distraction - what a luxury. The chores of daily life piling like mountains of receipts; no longer able to depend on the shelter of family or school, all of a sudden you become the caretaker of your partner, your client, your teammates, you aging parents, and sometimes a small human being. The internet feeding us a constant stream of faraway sufferings and instant gratification, tearing at our already meager reservoir of attention, it is hard not to feel like we are living in a multiverse all the time. When we look back at my own mother, we are more and more amazed: How did you do that? Aren’t you some sort of multitasking superhero? In this episode, we talked about the hit new Michelle Yeoh film "Everything Everywhere all at Once", and talked about:

【时间轴】

• 00:00 该如何描述这一部又复杂又简单又哭又笑的电影？

• 11:20 Everylyn的超能力和那些没有实现的自我

• 20:39 电影主创是想告诉我们不生孩子就能自我实现吗

• 30:10 女儿的抑郁情绪

• 41:20 “多重宇宙”题材的井喷和它背后既当下又古老的哲学题材

• 00:00 A complex yet classic bittersweet, oxymoron of a story

• 11:20 The unrealized potential of motherhood and multitasking as a superpower

• 20:39 Is the creators trying to tell us that motherhood is fundamentally a trap

• 30:10 “Bagel” as a metaphor of teenage expression

• 41:20 The explosion of the "multiverse" genre

【课外阅读】

• 杨紫琼Elle杂志采访

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啊，想妈妈了。谁看完《青春变形记》不会想给妈妈打个电话呢？曾经和朋友开玩笑说，大学的时候聊起自己的妈妈，仿佛都是在街上捡垃圾长大的，都喜欢讲述一些半真半假的自己多么的独立的故事。而如果去问我们的妈妈，仿佛每一个孩子都是在三百层温室和襁褓里精准育苗长大的。随着年龄增长，我愈发意识到，同一个故事之所以会有两个叙述方式，是因为这从来都是两个人的成长故事——孩子讲述的是自己的成长故事，妈妈讲述的也是自己作为女性的成长、成就与自我实现的故事。

这期节目，我们找来了两个妈妈一起聊了聊《青春变形记》，也问了问我们心里一直想要问妈妈的那些问题。

How do you tell a coming-of-age story? As teenagers, we tell our friends stories that minimize our mothers’ roles in anticipation of our independence; mothers, in turn, exchange stories about their meticulous planning and their level of insight on the children’s growth. In the end of the day, we like telling stories about our own growth, our own control and independence, and a child’s coming of age is equally a story of growth and discovery for the mother. “Turning Red” is a story about a girl and her mother’s growth as she comes of age, their miscommunicated heart-to-hearts, and their parallels of evolving womanhood. In honor of this parallel, we brought two daughters and two mothers into this conversation about womanhood and motherhood.

【时间轴】

• 2:00 对电影的第一印象：监控拆一下，谢谢

• 6:30 如何面对儿女的青春期、叛逆情绪和身体始改变带来的性别体验

• 17:25 带着时代的焦虑做妈妈：改革开放时代的阶级焦虑，移民生活的生存焦虑

• 25:30 在“生孩子我的生活就会彻底结束”和“想要拥有一个做母亲的人生体验”之间疯狂横摆

• 38:50 和孩子的平等对话是可能的吗？妈妈经历过哪些纠结和反思？

• 49:30 孩子生了孩子的话，即将做姥姥或者奶奶的妈妈们如何看待身份的再次转变？

• 2:00 First impressions of the movie: stop spying on my life please

• 6:30 Struggling with the budding independence of your teenage child

• 17:25 A mother’s anxiety as a reflection of their class and their immigrant status

• 25:30 Will my life be over when I have a baby

• 38:50 Is it possible to have an equal conversation with your child?

• 49:30 How are the moms thinking about their upcoming transition into “grandmahood”

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早在1996年，约翰·巴罗在赛博空间独立宣言里宣称：“工业世界的政府，你们这些疲惫的、肉身和钢铁塑造的巨人们，我来自赛博空间，人类思想的新家园。我代表未来，请求代表过去的你们不要再打扰我们。我们不欢迎你。我们聚集的广场上没有你的主权。” 而二十六年后，我们一天的屏幕时间不少于18小时；微博和推特上绵延不绝的悲剧24/7不间断的和企业微信的滴滴声、和短视频上的“不要贴不要贴不要贴贴”、小红书上的光鲜生活、B站、王者荣耀等等无数个产品一起，争抢着我们的注意力、情绪和时间。

疲惫的我们不禁想问：这是互联网应该成为的样子吗？

最近非常流行Web1.0、Web2.0和Web3.0的说法。这期节目，四个疲惫的女性互联网从业者想聊聊为什么吸引了我们入坑的、理想主义的Web1.0变成了现在这样的吸食人类时间和情绪的怪物，而Web3.0的资本大潮下有哪些理想和初心还在触动着我们。

小阿的RSS3项目： https://rss3.io/

我们聊了：

• 1：10 我们经历的互联网的大部分历史
• 9：38 互联网的历史何以至此？网络成为现在人类组织方式的投射
• 12：08 我们的第一个去中心化体验是什么：维基百科，Linux
• 14: 31 什么是Web1——门户网站？曾经的Web1充满理想主义的赛博宣言为什么让今天的我们觉得怅然若失
• 30：00 真实和虚拟，web2如何与“真实生活“竞争你的时间
• 39：25 社交网络上病态的绩效和扭曲的标题党
• 51：15 我们对于元宇宙和web3的想象和寄托
• 1：01：16 为什么web3和元宇宙的概念是一个女性一定要在场的思想实验

Back in 1996, John Barrow declared in the Cyberspace Declaration of Independence: "Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather.” Twenty-six years later, our screentime racks up to 18 hours of screen time a day; Twitter and Weibo doomscrolling competes with Slack notifications, TikTok challenges, the glamorous Instagram life and countless products vying for our attention and our time. We can’t help but wonder: Is this version of the internet something we should simple accept? Recently, the framework of Web 1.0, Web 2.0 and Web 3.0 as a way of describing the progression of the internet dominated the conversation. This episode is the musing of four burntout female tech workers, as we look back on the promise of freedom and collaboration of Web1.0, and the prevalence of surveillance capitalism in Web 2.0. We also talked about our hopes and dreams and reservations on this new version of the internet.

We talked about -

• 1:10 Our lived experience of the Internet history
• 9:38 How did the internet end up this way?
• 12:08 Our first decentralized experience: Wikipedia, Linux
• 14:31 What are we talking about when we are talking about Web1.0
• 30:00 Web2.0’s cannibalistic profit model, and what is real anyways
• 39:25 Social media or “Outrage machine”
• 51:15 Musing on the “metaverse” and “web3”
• 1:01:16 Why female creators need to be present in the creation of the new version of the internet

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【声明】

本期节目，《003 | 在假女人的伪装中，定义真女人｜The "Faking it" of Womanhood》中，我直接引用了微信公众号"那個NG"一月份发布的关于宋智雅的内容里的一段话，意图是用这个来引入我们之后的观点和分析，但是在录制过程中我并没有注明这个观点的来源，也没有和之后的原创观点有效分割，这种行为确实涉嫌抄袭。我们为此错误深表歉意，也感谢听众的指出。

我们平时录节目的流程是针对选题进行大量的阅读，包括影评、观众评论、市场反应、关于相关社会问题的研究和评论，从而启发我们对于这个话题的更深度的思考，并开启我们的创作。我们对于自己内容的预期和标准是：如果出现在节目中而没有被注明为引用的都是我们的原创内容，引用观点（无论中英文）都会注明。这次的错误是明确低于我们一贯标准的。

我们会在未来的节目准备流程中注明那些内容是引用别人的观点，也依旧会以"原创"为标准要求自己和参与我们节目的嘉宾。我们希望大家依旧能以这样的标准要求我们，也欢迎听众继续指出我们的疏忽和错误；我们也依赖着大家的支持和鞭策去不断学习进步。

原文首发于虎嗅青年内容公众号“那個NG”(ID: huxiu4youth)

• 《釜山辣妹现形记》
• 出品：虎嗅青年文化组
• 作者：黄瓜汽水

【聊了什么】

本期节目是疲惫娇娃联手播客「别任性」的Alexwood一起共同策划的三八国际妇女节的特别节目，同时也是#看见真女人# 这样一个线上活动的一部分。通过一系列视频、播客，和文章内容，我们展示真实女性在生活中真实模样，和社会一起反思强加给女性的种种不“真实”标准。

“她真女人。” 当你听到这句评价时想到的是什么样的形象？可能是婀娜的身姿娇媚的面容，可能是柔美的风情温婉的举止。但现实中的真女人们是什么样子呢？真女人们可能有不完美的皮肤，可能穿不进标准小号的衣服，可能没太多时间打理头发，可能不想化妆，可能肌肉健硕，可能不做妈妈，也可能选择单身。这些都是真女人。但在影视作品的故事中，人们津津乐道的girl power榜样里，或社交媒体的滤镜下，“普通”又真实的女人都仿佛都不存在。“真女人”，应该就是真实的女人，不需要“有女孩子的样子”，人生选择更不需要对别人做什么解释。

这期播客内容里，我们选取了一个找了一个很刁钻的角度，由几个现实中的“假女人”的故事展开（假千金宋智雅+假独角兽创业者Elizabeth Holmes+假欧洲名媛Anna Delvey），看看这些完美的“假女人“能给我们什么启发？看看她们对自己做了什么样的伪装，为什么她们选择了做”假女人”？又为什么承受的惩罚如此惨重？这些“假女人”的形象本身就凝聚着社会对“理想女性”的标准和期待，而我们如果分析一下这些女性形象，也就会明白为什么我们做“真女人”这么难了。

请大家上微博关注#看见真女人#话题下的更多内容，并分享你心目中的真女人是谁，是什么样子，无论是她人还是你自己，无论是通过照片，文字还是其他形式。让我们一起#看见真女人#，也作为真女人被看见。

This episode is a special program for International Women's Day, co-hosted with Alexwood from “Be a Dodo”. This is also a part of a Weibo campaign for #看见真女人# (seeing real women) -- through a series of videos, podcasts, and articles, we show the world what real women really look like in life, and reflect on society’s unrealistic standards imposed on women.

We chose a tricky angle to explore the concept of real women, but looking at the story of several “fake women”: Song Ji A from Netflix’s hottest show, “Singles Inferno; disgraced former Silicon Valley darling Elizabeth Holmes, portrayed by Amanda Seyfried for Hulu’s “The Dropout”; and the fake socialite Anna Delvey who recently is the protagonist of Netflix’s “Inventing Anna”. What can they teach us about faking it? The images of these "fake women" themselves embody the standards and expectations of society for the "ideal women", and if we analyze these images of women, we will understand why it is so difficult for us to truly be ourselves, or "real women".

【时间轴】

• 1:19 我们今天想要聊的假女人与真女人

• 9:40 第一位假女人：宋智雅。她代表了东亚对完美女性的一套新规则，这个标签可以被概括为“纯欲”、“奶凶”一系列小红书式的形容词。贤妻良母被先锋审美淘汰。女性被赋予了更严格精细的标准智雅的“人设“有多少是在男性凝视下塑造出来的呢？既是独立思考的“女强人”，不依赖男性，玩转男人于手心，但是到头来还是会和其他女性竞争，赢得竞赛，赢得男性的渴望与追求。

• 33:42 第二位假女人：Elizabeth Holmes，Theranos企业总裁，硅谷创业传奇，曾经最年轻的白手起家亿万富翁”。原来“创业”是画了一张无法实现的大饼，最后谎言被戳穿锒铛入狱（已经被判有罪，今年九月份才会判刑）。

• 44:52 第三位假女人：Anna Delvey，假欧洲富二代，混迹纽约交际圈，尝试建立自己的高级社交/艺术俱乐部，看似离梦想一步之遥（2017年被抓，2019年被判刑4-12年，2021年二月假释出狱，现在面临被ICE遣返德国）。

• 1:03:25 女性总被劝言：为了成功，我们需要 fake it to make it。这是为什么？不平等的性别文化，固化的阶级，两极化的财富分布，使得女人无法做“真女人”？Faking it 能修正某种性别不公正待遇？但一定要 fake it 才能 make it 吗？

• 1:10:23 人们热爱创造偶像又热爱“打假”，王冰冰即使作为“真女人”也无端“被塌房”。人们一起创造了“假女人”们，而她们的陨落叙事总是故事必要的第二部分，如同一个警示预言。

• 1:17:48 我们心中都有假女人吗？如何看待美颜滤镜？研究显示 Instagram 对女性的身体满意度，以至于心理健康，有很大的负面影响。我们如何抵抗心中的“假女人”？

• 1:19 what do we mean by “fake women”

• 9:40 our first example: Song Ji A, from Netflix’s “Single’s Inferno”

• 33:42 our second example: Elizabeth Holmes, former CEO of Theranos, the legend of Silicon Valley, currently found guilty of fraud

• 44:52 our third example: Anna Delvey, former NYC socialite and fake German heiress

• 1:03:25 women are always suggested to “fake it till we make it”, but why? Perhaps women have to “fake it” to adjust for gender inequality, rigid socioeconomic classes, and polarizing wealth disparity

• 1:10:23 the public loves creating new idols, and then subjecting these man-made idols to impossible standards and accusing them of “failing” the people. Why is that?

• 1:17:48 Do we all have a fake woman in our hearts? How do we deal with social media-driven body dysmorphia, mental health, and the filter-heavy online world?

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【聊了什么】

食物是最公共也是最私密的事情，如果你的生活比较规律，一天会需要至少做出三个关于跟吃有关的决定，是外卖还是堂食奶茶还是咖咖啡，吃肉还是素食，中餐还是日料，火锅还是早茶，每一个决定都牵起，无数个关于商业社会、关于劳动者、关于人口流动、关于环保、关于文化的话题，在过去的几年里，我们都出于各种各样的原因成为了流散的异乡人，疫情开始之后，这种绵长的甘肠寸断的乡愁又成为了我们人生的底色。

所以对于异乡人来说，厨房突然重新成为了治愈我们的地方。像小高姐、老饭骨、慢食、慢语等成为了连接新一代流散群体的文本，在厨房里还原甚至提升了记忆里面的味道，成了很多人的疗愈体验。吃，既是一个政治的商业的文化的话题，也是一个温情的私密的心照不宣的体验。所以这期节目我们聚齐了七个女的一起来聊吃在我们生活中扮演的角色。

Food is both an utterly public and intimate matter. Every decision you make around food is related to infinitely more topics: commercialism, labor, population mobility, sustainability, culture & history, and more. During the past two years of the pandemic, the sprawling diaspora that we are a part of has been forced to face their yearning for home heads on.

So we turn to the kitchen to heal our homesickness and cravings for hometown food, and gathered seven women here today to chat about food, the role it plays in our lives, and how it relates to our personal and cultural identities.

【时间轴】

这期节目，我们聚齐了七个女的:

• 1:45 自我简介+拿手菜

• 10:58 春节期间想家怎么办? 如何在异乡寻找家乡的味道：多元与单一的的“家乡味道”， 眷村文化，北漂青年，培梅食谱，食物在迁移中扮演的角色

• 20:12 小馄饨：对于食物的政治与情感，应有尽有的中超

• 26:25 小杨：“怂狗跑得快，穷人做饭香”，地域与时代对于食物记忆的影响，“改革开放三十年，为何还要屯白菜”，劳作与家人的连接

• 33:42 小蓝：爷爷奶奶对于自己吃饭习惯的影响；来美之后，乡愁和食物的概念变得宽泛了

• 36:28 一芳：半个北方人，半个广东人，家乡菜其实就是家常菜

• 38:48 带着亚洲胃走世界，逢年过节必须要吃中餐

• 47:07 烹饪与女性身份的关系，女性在家庭及社会中的地位

• 56:21 在家做饭vs出门吃饭

• 59:09 食物与身份认同，对于食物的喜爱都是连接着童年的记忆

• 1:03:52 疫情如何改变我们和食物的关系

• 1:10:48 购买pastry scraper如何拯救厨房台面；最好吃的饭是现成的饭

• 1:12:20 不想做饭的时候也要做：如何拥抱半成品，安利空气炸锅

• 1:21:30 花酱：对于食物作为消费品和消费实验的这种撕裂的感觉

• 1:28:19 生活小妙招

• 1:45 Self-introduction and our best dishes

• 10:58 What to do while missing home during Chinese New Year? How to find a sense of home abroad? How our childhood and upbringing helped shape our memories of food

• 20:12 Politics and food, and the Asian supermarkets that have everything

• 26:25 Growing up in Northern China and how lack of resources instilled an instinct to save up food; on labor and food

• 33:42 Impact of grandparent’s cooking habits

• 36:28 Half Northerner and half Cantonese; cravings for home food means cravings for homemade food

• 38:48 Our Chinese stomachs and why we eat Chinese food every holiday

• 47:07 On cooking and the female identity, women’s role in the family and in society

• 56:21 On cooking at home versus going out to eat

• 59:09 On food and identity; how our favorite food is tied to our treasured memories

• 1:03:52 How the pandemic changed our relationship with food

• 1:10:48 The best food is what’s already been made for you

• 1:12:20 Solutions for cooking even when you don’t want to: embrace the frozen food aisle and buy an air fryer

• 1:21:30 On experiencing food as a consumer product and a consumer experiment

• 1:28:19 Life tips

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【课外阅读】

我们提到的纪录片：

• The Search for General Tso

我们提到的自来水带货 recommended products：

• 空气炸锅 Airfryer
• Scraper
• 厨余垃圾桶 Simple human compost caddy: link

菜谱

• Salt Fat Acid Heat （有书，也有netflix剧） - The Wok, J. Kenji López-Alt
• The Food Lab, J. Kenji López-Alt
• Made with Lau （YouTube）
• 潮汕钟师傅 （YouTube）

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【聊了什么】

你眼里的哪些0.001%富有的人是什么样子的？是像钢铁侠、蝙蝠侠一样把钱变成超能力，致力于解决人类无法解决的庞大问题？还是像《亿万（Billions）》里一样运筹帷幄、和对手下45维象棋？还是像2016年一个橘黄色的人带着他bling bling的孩子们入主白宫之后大家突然意识到的——有钱人可能也很蠢，而且还不去看心理医生。

What’s your impression of the Über-rich? Is it “my super power is rich'' superhero Bruce Wayne? Or reckless entrepreneur like Elon – we mean Iron Man Tony Stark? Or 4D-chess grandmaster Bobby Axelrod of Billions? Or like us, you realized after an orange man settled himself with his glamorous children in the White House — that rich people can be stupid, and are in despirate need of a psychiatrist.

【时间轴】 这期节目，我们五个人聊了聊HBO的大热剧集《继承之战（Succession）》，聊到了：

• 00:03:14 这部剧基于的媒体行业现实
• 00:10:03 继承之战的古典文学性——莎翁剧、希腊神话和宫斗剧
• 00:16:25 Shiv和她无法彻底真诚、也无法彻底虚假的女权主义
• 00:24:30 Kendall——脆弱而充满特权的精英奋斗逼
• 00:33:40 Tom和夹在性别、阶级夹缝中不可言说的痛苦
• 00:39:35 对自恋者来说，羞耻和愤怒是同一个硬币的两面
• 00:49:00 精英主义叙事和商业黑化到底对谁有好处
• 00:59:05 晃吐了的镜头，故意不精致的布景，资本主义的配乐，和一万个可以琢磨的细节

Join us in this episode where we discuss HBO's hit series "Succession":

• 00:03:14 Deep-dive into the media industry the show is loosely based on
• 00:10:03 Classical literary references in “Succession”: Shakespeare, Greek Mythology and Palace Fights in Chinese TV
• 00:16:25 Shiv and her Schrödinger’s feminism: is it fake or sincere?
• 00:24:30 Kendall and the fragile and privileged elitist struggle of the firstborn
• 00:33:40 Tom and the unspeakable pain of being caught between sex and class
• 00:39:35 For narcissists, shame and anger are two sides of the same coin
• 00:49:00 Corporate lingo 101 and discussion on meritocracy
• 00:59:05 Shaky camera movement, deliberately inexplicable sets, off-tune soundtrack, and all the juicy details we will be marinating on for the next decade

【买咖啡】

如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡：

• 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm
• 海内用户：https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm
• 商务合作邮箱：[email protected]
• 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022

If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm Those in China：https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm Business Inquiries Email：[email protected] Business Inquiries WeChat： CyberPink2022

【课外阅读】

我们提到的一些文章和作品：

• 大西洋月刊 - The Heir
• Kendall Roy演员 Jeremy Strong的专访
• 玛丽·特朗普（前总统的侄女）写的书 Too Much and Never Enough
• 纽约时报记者分析讨论Shiv的穿着打扮

Links referenced in the show:

• The Atlantic piece on the Trump Family: The Heir
• Jeremy Strong’s New Yorker Profile
• Mary Trump (niece of Donald Trump)’s book Too Much and Never Enough

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